http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitem...01/s1286407.htm

More fruitcake stuff from the christian conservatives.

"Christian groups have taken exception to the tolerance pledge on the foundation's website which asks people to respect the sexual identity of others along with their abilities, beliefs, culture and race."

Taken offence at tolerance :rolleyes:

I like SpongeBob!
I do not like a group of people that want to CONTROL everything I see, hear, say and think!!!

Organized religion is going to turn more and more people against them.

Sorry Dan - I miss-posted that into a different thread and I deleted it and moved it to it's own thread. I was just about to repost your response, but you got to the new thread before me :)

You had me thinking that I had forgotton to click on reply. :)

Drew's link wasn't working for me, so I offer this as an alternative: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/po/20050121/co_po/rightwingwarnsofgayspongebob

A press release from the producers of the video in question can be found at: http://www.wearefamilyfoundation.org/Article_PR_ChildDVD.htm

Most of you already know this, but I want to stress that, as far as I know, James Dobson, FoF, AFA and WorldNetDaily are the ones criticizing this video. Let's not use this as a reason to show intolerance toward all "Conservative Christians" or "Organized Religion". I would hazard to guess that most Christians wouldn't mind this sort of thing, and there would be many who would actively support it. Dobson speaks for only a small segment of the population, and not even those agree with everything he says.

Now, that being said, I do have some reservations about Sponge Bob. The theme song says, "Who lives in a pineapple under the sea? Sponge Bob Square Pants!"

Now, if you've seen the show, you know that Spongebob's pineapple rests on the ocean floor. Now, is that really under the sea? I'd say it would be more accurate to say he lives in a pineapple in the sea, or in a pinapple on the sea floor. Of course this would destroy the rhythm of the theme song, but it has always bugged me and I cannot fully enjoy an episode of the show because of this.

I agree with you (not about the pineapple thing :)) - 99% of regular christians are not going to have any problem with spongebob.

It's the fundamentalists that have a problem with things like this.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by UnCoolDuck
[B]Drew's link wasn't working for me, so I offer this as an alternative: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/po/20050121/co_po/rightwingwarnsofgayspongebob

A press release from the producers of the video in question can be found at: http://www.wearefamilyfoundation.org/Article_PR_ChildDVD.htm

Most of you already know this, but I want to stress that, as far as I know, James Dobson, FoF, AFA and WorldNetDaily are the ones criticizing this video. Let's not use this as a reason to show intolerance toward all "Conservative Christians" or "Organized Religion". I would hazard to guess that most Christians wouldn't mind this sort of thing, and there would be many who would actively support it. Dobson speaks for only a small segment of the population, and not even those agree with everything he says.
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Uncool, am I understanding you correctly? Are you stating that you believe that most Christians would not mind nondiscrimination of sexual orientation and many would actively support it?

it is silly, but so is wanting to change the name of every sports team with an indian name, both are absurd

It's amusing to me how the conservative Christians manage to prove day in and day out that all they think about is sex.

Many moons ago I was flipping through the channels and came across a 700 Club segment wherein they were asking college students what they thought of multiculturalism. They were shocked, shocked that most students were in favor of teaching it. After all, some cultures practice female circumcision and worship cows. Pretty soon every college student will be performing female circumcision!!!

both sides have their wacko extremists.....

take echo for example......

Apparently you've never read one of Shaman's, Overdose's, or Freethinker's replies! Those guys are wacky extreme...

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Apparently you've never read one of Shaman's, Overdose's, or Freethinker's replies! Those guys are wacky extreme... You left out Lungdop Philing, the bigfoot worshipping hippie from Cali.

Oh, you're right...I almost forgot. I wonder how his vacation on Rigel 4 is going right now. I hear the moons are really pretty this time of year.

Originally posted by DrewM

It's the fundamentalists that have a problem with things like this. [/B]

Why does it bother you if they do? How does that effect your life? They have the right to feel that way if they wish. Personally, I don't know much about SpongBob, so I can't comment, but if someone feels that way about it and you don't, that shouldn't bother you. That is how they feel about it.

It doesn't effect my life & yes the do have a right to be as small minded as they want.

What's your point?

Am I not allowed to have an opinion about such people?

Originally posted by DrewM
It doesn't effect my life & yes the do have a right to be as small minded as they want.

What's your point?

Am I not allowed to have an opinion about such people?

What's my point? My point is that you shouldn't worry about it. You disagree, but that is up to you. Why do you feel that they are small minded?

I don't worry about it, but thanks for the concern..:@@:

Anybody who believes they are exclusively correct & the other 4 billion people are going to burn in hell is small minded.

small-minded
ADJECTIVE: 1. Not broad or elevated in scope or understanding

Originally posted by the J Man
What's my point? My point is that you shouldn't worry about it. You disagree, but that is up to you. Why do you feel that they are small minded?
I'll quit worrying about the fundie right-wing nutjob Christians when they stop trying to ban everything they don't like.

Am I not allowed to have an opinion about such people?

Nope. No opinions allowed here. Take your opinions somewhere else. :)

Why does it bother you if they do? How does that effect your life? They have the right to feel that way if they wish.

Why does it bother you that it bothers him? How does him not liking thier opinion of Sponge Bob affect your life?

As for Sponge Bob, its about time someone took the focus off of Erinie and Bert. Besides, what kind of gay man would be caught in square pants?

Originally posted by dnamertz




Why does it bother you that it bothers him? How does him not liking thier opinion of Sponge Bob affect your life?



It doesn't effect me at all. It's just that if someone starts a thread on this, it must really bother them. Maybe these christian fundies are really right. if there weren't, no-one would take any offense to that. I mean, if soemone went out and claimed that "bread sticks" were satanic, since that is absolutely not true, no-one would bother to make a fuss about it since there is no truth in that. But when a "christian-fundie,' make a point that is true, many get aggrivated over it because they don't to hear that. But it's the light that exposes the darkness.

Originally posted by the J Man
It doesn't effect me at all. It's just that if someone starts a thread on this, it must really bother them. Maybe these christian fundies are really right. if there weren't, no-one would take any offense to that. I mean, if soemone went out and claimed that "bread sticks" were satanic, since that is absolutely not true, no-one would bother to make a fuss about it since there is no truth in that. But when a "christian-fundie,' make a point that is true, many get aggrivated over it because they don't to hear that. But it's the light that exposes the darkness.
It would bother me greatly if they called breadsticks satanic and then made the move to ban or censor them, yes.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Apparently you've never read one of Shaman's, Overdose's, or Freethinker's replies! Those guys are wacky extreme...

what? i dont' make the list? i'm insulted.

It's just that if someone starts a thread on this, it must really bother them. Maybe these christian fundies are really right. if there weren't, no-one would take any offense to that.

I never understood this backwards argument of "well, if it weren't true, then you wouldn't be offended or bothered". It works the other way around. If you claim something is something other than it is, that is when people will respond. Claiming a bread stick is satanic is too absurd to get any response, but claiming it is a pretzel will get someone correcting you and saying you are wrong. Saying a bread stick is a bread stick is something that will get no response. Saying a cartoon character is gay, who probably has no sexual oreintation, will get a response because it is wrong. People respond more to being called something they are not than being called something they are. The response does not make it true.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
I'll quit worrying about the fundie right-wing nutjob Christians when they stop trying to ban everything they don't like.

Amen!!! Can I get a whitness (sic)?

Originally posted by the J Man
Why does it bother you if they do? How does that effect your life? They have the right to feel that way if they wish. Personally, I don't know much about SpongBob, so I can't comment, but if someone feels that way about it and you don't, that shouldn't bother you. That is how they feel about it.
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It bothers me because if they get SpongeBob banned I can't watch him anymore. I hear he has an episode coming up where he uses witchcraft against the Lobster............ :)

It is with great hesitation that I level any criticism against a King, but Edward, I think you meant to post that in another thread :)

Anyway.........

Originally posted by Dan Fussell
Uncool, am I understanding you correctly? Are you stating that you believe that most Christians would not mind nondiscrimination of sexual orientation and many would actively support it?
Yes. There are large segments of certain Christian denominations (Episcopalians and United Methodists come to mind) that are actively promoting gay rights.

I travel in more conservative circles. However, I don't think many of the Christians I know would have a problem with this. If you go to Nile Rodgers' website, that I referenced before, there is a copy of the pledge that this DVD asks the children to take. It merely asks you to state that you will respect people who are different from you and then lists some of the possible differences and includes sexual orientation as one of them. Exceedingly few people would have a problem with this if they took the time to read the statement.

Part of the problem with this is that some people confused this with a website in South Carolina for gay teens. (they've even put up a disclaimer because of this controversy. http://www.waf.org )
I don't see anything wrong with this website, either, but that's beside the point.

Originally posted by the J Man
It doesn't effect me at all. It's just that if someone starts a thread on this, it must really bother them. Maybe these christian fundies are really right. if there weren't, no-one would take any offense to that. I mean, if soemone went out and claimed that "bread sticks" were satanic, since that is absolutely not true, no-one would bother to make a fuss about it since there is no truth in that. But when a "christian-fundie,' make a point that is true, many get aggrivated over it because they don't to hear that. But it's the light that exposes the darkness.

By your strange logic - anybody who didn't like racisim must be proving racisim is alright just by their mentioning it. I think not :hahanot:

This is a discussion forum - threads get created because they are interesting to discuss - what is hard to comprehend about that?

When a christian fundie as you say makes a point - there is a 99% likelyhood that in fact no point at all was made - chances are the "point" is nothing but a worn out cliche or a Bible verse. Kind of like your "the light exposes the darkness" - yet another example of the fundie superiority complex. Your light exposes everybody elses darkness. Ok right on.

It seems that the "fundies" have a monopoly on backward thinking - almost every "fundie" post is just plain unreasonable. With the exception of Uncool that is - so far I don't think I've read a post by uncool that I didn't respect. I think Uncool must be walking a fine line between heaven and hell :)

Originally posted by UnCoolDuck
It is with great hesitation that I level any criticism against a King, but Edward, I think you meant to post that in another thread :)

Anyway.........


Yes. There are large segments of certain Christian denominations (Episcopalians and United Methodists come to mind) that are actively promoting gay rights.

I travel in more conservative circles. However, I don't think many of the Christians I know would have a problem with this. If you go to Nile Rodgers' website, that I referenced before, there is a copy of the pledge that this DVD asks the children to take. It merely asks you to state that you will respect people who are different from you and then lists some of the possible differences and includes sexual orientation as one of them. Exceedingly few people would have a problem with this if they took the time to read the statement.

Part of the problem with this is that some people confused this with a website in South Carolina for gay teens. (they've even put up a disclaimer because of this controversy. http://www.waf.org )
I don't see anything wrong with this website, either, but that's beside the point.
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I see where you are coming from Uncool. Good to get an opinion from someone in a different location.
I live somewhat in the "Bible Belt" here in the Fla. Panhandle and I tend to base many of my opinions on how local people react to situations.
The last Church I attended regularly was Methodist and locally the opinion on Gays was very negative. Strictly Bible quote teachings. Which of course also included "love thy brother."

The teachings were more along the line of love thy brother unless he was gay, and pray for him to overcome his gayness so you can love him and he can go to heaven.
This attitude did not come from the pulpit, but more from the individuals in the Church. Of course individuals are the Church.

I'm beginning to think I'm going to the wrong churches - in 32 years I've never heard one mention of gays or that I should vote republican.

Oh for cryin out loud!!!

These people are seriously searching pop culture way too hard for Satan and his influences, when they are speculating the orientations of a freakin SPONGE!!! A CARTOON sponge for that matter. Hand holding makes you gay? I can just imagine the awkward 0.5 second hugs these fellas give each other at family gatherings so as not too appear too fruity.

Aren't these the same folks that see Jesus and Mary in their tater tots every other weekend?

Sexualizing every other thing. As far as I'm aware sponges don't even practice sexual reproduction.



Now, if you've seen the show, you know that Spongebob's pineapple rests on the ocean floor. Now, is that really under the sea? I'd say it would be more accurate to say he lives in a pineapple in the sea, or in a pinapple on the sea floor. Of course this would destroy the rhythm of the theme song, but it has always bugged me and I cannot fully enjoy an episode of the show because of this.

I see it differently. If you are on the bottom of the sea, the entire sea is on top of you, placing you under it. If you were floating above, you'd be on the sea. If you are somewhere half way down, then you are in the sea. If you've seen his pineapple, it sits on the bottom, under the sea.

Originally posted by DrewM
It seems that the "fundies" have a monopoly on backward thinking - almost every "fundie" post is just plain unreasonable. With the exception of Uncool that is - so far I don't think I've read a post by uncool that I didn't respect. I think Uncool must be walking a fine line between heaven and hell :)
I appreciate that, but if you go back far enough, I think you can find a lot of stuff I posted that you wouldn't think was worthy of your respect. In the past year or so, I've had to come to the admission that I'm just not so certain about a lot of things, so I try to be less dogmatic about it.

Dan--I see your point. Things certainly are quite a bit different here in Seattle.

creetwins--okay, you've almost convinced me, but there are about 6 or so inches of sea that is of a lower elevation than the top of Spongebob's pineapple, so I'm still a little nervous about accepting his pineapple as being "under" the sea.

Now as far as this issue is concerned, all they are doing is showing a video that contains Spongebob (along with a bunch of other cartoon characters) and then asking the students to take a pledge that they will respect others who are different from them. I don't see what's so wrong with that. Even if you think homosexuality is a sin, shouldn't you still respect homosexuals?

Originally posted by creetwins
[B]Now, if you've seen the show, you know that Spongebob's pineapple rests on the ocean floor. Now, is that really under the sea? I'd say it would be more accurate to say he lives in a pineapple in the sea, or in a pinapple on the sea floor. Of course this would destroy the rhythm of the theme song, but it has always bugged me and I cannot fully enjoy an episode of the show because of this.

I see it differently. If you are on the bottom of the sea, the entire sea is on top of you, placing you under it. If you were floating above, you'd be on the sea. If you are somewhere half way down, then you are in the sea. If you've seen his pineapple, it sits on the bottom, under the sea.
Jesus, some of you people will debate anything. :)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by The Praetorian
[B]Jesus, some of you people will debate anything.
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I'll debate that statement! :)

Originally posted by DrewM
99% of regular christians are not going to have any problem with spongebob.
It's the fundamentalists that have a problem with things like this.

But far more than 1% of the Christian faction in America WILL develop a problem with Spongebob after listening to irrational bigots like James Dobson, FocusontheFamily, AFA and WorldNetDaily expound on it and spread their propaganda on it.

It's about the intolerant, repressive, backward, superstitious societal attitudes that these fundamentalist twits like Dobson and Falwell and others of their ilk promote.

Originally posted by Freethinker
But far more than 1% of the Christian faction in America WILL develop a problem with Spongebob after listening to irrational bigots like James Dobson, FocusontheFamily, AFA and WorldNetDaily expound on it and spread their propaganda on it.

It's about the intolerant, repressive, backward, superstitious societal attitudes that these fundamentalist twits like Dobson and Falwell and others of their ilk promote.

Agree 100%. Not all christians are small minded bigots - in fact probably only a small fraction are. There are plenty of non-christian small minded bigots out there too - it's just that the % is a bit higher than average within the Christian community.

guys like james dobson, pat robertson, jerry falwell, george bush etc give christianity a bad name. these guys claim to follow the teachings of jesus yet have strayed unimaginably far from his message of love and forgiveness and acceptance and generosity, and all that.

Originally posted by sputnik
guys like james dobson, pat robertson, jerry falwell, george bush etc give christianity a bad name. these guys claim to follow the teachings of jesus yet have strayed unimaginably far from his message of love and forgiveness and acceptance and generosity, and all that.
Let's not forget Fred Phelps, the worst offender of the lot.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Let's not forget Fred Phelps, the worst offender of the lot.

Fred Pelps is preaching hate, he isn't preaching repentance. He even claims that God hates a certain group of people, when God doesn't hate any human being at all.

Originally posted by DrewM
Not all christians are small minded bigots - in fact probably only a small fraction are. There are plenty of non-christian small minded bigots out there too - it's just that the % is a bit higher than average within the Christian community.

So, because there are some christians who feel that SpongeBob has a negative influence, you feel that they are small minded because of that? In order for them not to be considered small minded, they have to agree with what you think? Personally I don't know much about SpongeBob, therefore I don't have an opinion of that cartoon, but how they feel about it is there right and it doesn't make them small minded or bigoted whatsoever.

Originally posted by the J Man
but how they feel about it is there right and it doesn't make them small minded or bigoted whatsoever.

Yes it's absolutely their right to think whatever they want to think. But what's driving people nuts is that their opinion seems to have no basis whatsoever in reality. It's just hard to fathom how a video that asks people to be nice to everyone, and that features Sponge Bob (and lots of other cartoons) for about 3 seconds, results in people thinking that Sponge Bob promotes homosexuality. The video wasn't even put together by the Sponge Bob people (although I suppose they had to approve his use in the video).

It's a self-fulfilling prophesy - if you think homosexuality is everywhere, then you're going to see it even where it doesn't exist.

Originally posted by the J Man
So, because there are some christians who feel that SpongeBob has a negative influence, you feel that they are small minded because of that? In order for them not to be considered small minded, they have to agree with what you think? Personally I don't know much about SpongeBob, therefore I don't have an opinion of that cartoon, but how they feel about it is there right and it doesn't make them small minded or bigoted whatsoever.

Yes, even small minded people have rights, but nobody except you is debating that.

You don't really need to be much of a moral scientist to realise that anybody who thinks spongebob should be outlawed is plain small minded. Stop and think about it.

Originally posted by LionelHutz
It's just hard to fathom how a video that asks people to be nice to everyone, and that features Sponge Bob (and lots of other cartoons) for about 3 seconds, results in people thinking that Sponge Bob promotes homosexuality.

You know, what's really laughable about this, when you think about it, is the obvious thought process of the people complaining.......


........ i.e., that watching a gay cartoon character on teevee--even IF Spongebob WAS an openly and unabashedly gay cartoon character-- will somehow transform children who are not gay INTO homosexuals.

Originally posted by Freethinker
But far more than 1% of the Christian faction in America WILL develop a problem with Spongebob after listening to irrational bigots like James Dobson, FocusontheFamily, AFA and WorldNetDaily expound on it and spread their propaganda on it.

It's about the intolerant, repressive, backward, superstitious societal attitudes that these fundamentalist twits like Dobson and Falwell and others of their ilk promote.

You just have to laugh when you see someone like Freethinker use words like "intolerant", "repressive", "backward", "bigot", and "twit" to describe someone else.

Originally posted by UnCoolDuck
You just have to laugh when you see someone like Freethinker use words like "intolerant", "repressive", "backward", "bigot", and "twit" to describe someone else.

Translation into non-bullshit;

""How dare you be intolerant of Christian religious people's intolerance!!""

Here a cluephone for you,......I and the other people who speak out against your religion's intolerant attitudes do not make the rules in this country.

The majority religious faction of which you are a member DOES makes the rules and gats to decide what is "moral".......and when that majority of sanctimonious, self-appointed morality police are intolerant and bigoted and homophobic I will CALL ATTENTION TO that intolerance.

Originally posted by Freethinker
Translation into non-bullshit;
Ooops. You forgot to include the non-bullshit in your last post.

""How dare you be intolerant of Christian religious people's intolerance!!""
You've got me all wrong, Freethinker, you can "dare" to be an intolerant bigot all you want. I don't care. I'm still going to laugh at you, though, when you call someone else those names. Falwell and Dobson have a long way to go before they catch up with you.

Here a cluephone for you,......I and the other people who speak out against your religion's intolerant attitudes do not make the rules in this country.Here's a little cluephone for you: You don't get to make the rules in the country because you are too immature to engage in intelligent political activity. Until you learn to do so, you will continue to be marginalized in society.

when that majority of sanctimonious, self-appointed morality police are intolerant and bigoted and homophobic I will CALL ATTENTION TO that intolerance.
I sure hope that's a promise. I can use the laughs!

Originally posted by UnCoolDuck
You don't get to make the rules in the country because you are too immature to engage in intelligent political activity.

Right.

Only those of a "mature" intellect, like you and those of your particular psychosis, who believe that snakes can turn into sticks, that dead people come back to life and that donkeys can speak with human voice, should be allowed to decide the weighty matters of State.

BTW, on the subject of intolerance, Falwell and Dobson are leading spokemen for your prefered brand of superstitious hatred, an ideology that informs us that homosexuals are to be stoned to death......a type of punishment that I do not support and have not called for, so your remark that i had a "long way to go" to match them in intolerance is --to put it mildly-- a bit off the mark.

Originally posted by Freethinker
Right.

Only those of a "mature" intellect, like you and those of your particular psychosis, who believe that snakes can turn into sticks, that dead people come back to life and that donkeys can speak with human voice, should be allowed to decide the weighty matters of State.
Although this is marginally funny (thanks for the smile, if not the out-loud laugh this time) I'm somewhat disappointed that you have entirely missed the point. I'll try to instruct you again: I was speaking of maturity in the political arena: lobbying congress, grass-roots efforts, get out the vote drives, public speaking appearances, etc. I'm talking about treating people with respect and earning their trust. I wasn't talking about the validity of supernatural claims.

BTW, on the subject of intolerance, Falwell and Dobson are leading spokemen for your prefered brand of superstitious hatred, an ideology that informs us that homosexuals are to be stoned to death......a type of punishment that I do not support and have not called for, so your remark that i had a "long way to go" to match them in intolerance is --to put it mildly-- a bit off the mark.
Falwell and Dobson are Jews?!?:eek: I'd love to see your evidence of that. You do realize that what you are talking about comes from the Levitical law which Christians do not adhere to, don't you? Or perhaps you mistranslate the Bible to support your bigotry. I'd love to see your evidence of whenever Dobson or Falwell called for homosexuals to be stoned to death. Otherwise, I'll stick by my original claim (which you misquoted by the way, but we all get the idea).

Originally posted by UnCoolDuck
You just have to laugh when you see someone like Freethinker use words like "intolerant", "repressive", "backward", "bigot", and "twit" to describe someone else.

Yep, they accuse of christians of being intolerant, but that is so backwards and such hypocrasy. In reality, they are purely intolerant towards us. They expect us to compromise our beliefs and agree with them on every issue, and when we don't, they cry "INTOLERANCE!" What a double standard that is.

Originally posted by Freethinker


BTW, on the subject of intolerance, Falwell and Dobson are leading spokemen for your prefered brand of superstitious hatred, an ideology that informs us that homosexuals are to be stoned to death......a type of punishment that I do not support and have not called for, so your remark that i had a "long way to go" to match them in intolerance is --to put it mildly-- a bit off the mark. [/B]

I have never heard Falweel state that homosexuals should eb stoned to death. Yes, Falwell is bold, but he just tells it like it is. He is not hateful and intolerant. He does preach repentance and warns of the consequences of sin( not just towrds homosexuality either). If he was so hateful, he would be urging people to repent. He would just allow those living in sin to wallow in their muck.

The truth is sin does lead to judgement. Yes, God is loving and very merciful and will freely forgive those who repent, but He is also a consuming fire and sin has consequences. People don't want to hear that, but it's the truth. When soemone tells the truth, they are automatically accused of being intolerant, closed monded, hateful, bigoted.

If I see someone walking down a path that will lead them to destruction, that supposively makes me intoelrant and clsed minded to warn them that they need to get off that path?

This says it all, really:

Pastor Exposes Perverted Little Cartoon Character (http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0403/spongebob.html)

Originally posted by the J Man
I have never heard Falwell state that homosexuals should eb stoned to death.

Neither have I. He's a bit more crafty than that.

At least, i have not heard him say it specifically, though, as a devoteee of the Bible, he dutifully makes his hatred for them known in many ways.

But I did not say that Falwell has called for them to be stoned........I noted that he, and Dobson, are leading spokemen for an ideology that informs us that homosexuals are to be stoned to death.

Originally posted by the J Man
Falwell is bold, but he just tells it like it is......If he was so hateful, he would be urging people to repent. He would just allow those living in sin to wallow in their muck.

Hey, whatever bizarre rationalization gets you through it, more power to you. LOL.

Originally posted by the J Man
When soemone tells the truth, they are automatically accused of being intolerant, closed monded, hateful, bigoted.

Except that they are not telling **the truth**......they are simply repeating the barbaric superstitions and prejudices of a band of ignorant desert dwellers that lived a couple thousand years ago.

Originally posted by the J Man
If I see someone walking down a path that will lead them to destruction, that supposively makes me intoelrant and clsed minded to warn them that they need to get off that path?

Yes, because you --and your institutionalized superstition-- have arbitrarily chosen some behavior or some trait that you do not like, and decided that it makes people "evil" for being that way and that they must be punished for it.

If there were a group that, tommorrow, began preaching that all people with green eyes are "evil" sinners who must suffer punishment for that trait, that group would ALSO be guilty of intolerance.

Originally posted by the J Man
Yep, they accuse of christians of being intolerant, but that is so backwards and such hypocrasy. In reality, they are purely intolerant towards us. They expect us to compromise our beliefs and agree with them on every issue, and when we don't, they cry "INTOLERANCE!" What a double standard that is.

You've got that right J-Man. To hear a bigot like Freethinker call someone else "intolerant" is a joke. The guy is incapable of rational thought and no one takes him seriously, so all you can do is laugh.

It's not his fault, though. It's quite evident he has a meme, a mind virus!:p

Originally posted by UnCoolDuck
You've got that right J-Man. To hear a bigot like Freethinker call someone else "intolerant" is a joke. The guy is incapable of rational thought and no one takes him seriously, so all you can do is laugh.

It's not his fault, though. It's quite evident he has a meme, a mind virus!:p

Let's recap.

Of you and I, which one is unshakeably convinced of the truth of a Book that says that donkeys can talk, that the dead can be made alive again, and that a man walked on water??

And you call ME irrational??!?

ROTFL.

The -- ''There is only ONE true god and that is MY god!!" religionists like you are the truly bigoted people in our society.

As has once again happened in this thread, whenever prejudices and intolerance and bigotry on the part of leading spokesmen for your religion --as in the case of Spongebob-- is exposed, you begin to lash out and accuse those who are exposing the bigotry and intolerance as being intolerant themselves.

Reading your responses often reminds me of something Marian Noel Sherman once said --

"Religious people often accuse atheists of being arrogant and placing ourselves in the position of god, but really it is the theist who has all the vanity. The religionist is an ignorant coward who cannot stand to think that he will ever cease to exist"____Marian Noel Sherman.

Originally posted by Freethinker
Let's recap.

Of you and I, which one is unshakeably convinced of the truth of a Book that says that donkeys can talk, that the dead can be made alive again, and that a man walked on water??
Um, well, since it's not me, I'll guess..........you?
I've already stated that much of the Bible is allegorical and subject to interpretation and that I'm not "unshakably convinced" of anything. Perhaps you should actually learn what you're talking about before making accusations.

The -- ''There is only ONE true god and that is MY god!!" religionists like you are the truly bigoted people in our society. Some are. Some aren't. And there are some atheists, like you, who are also bigots.

As has once again happened in this thread, whenever prejudices and intolerance and bigotry on the part of leading spokesmen for your religion --as in the case of Spongebob-- is exposed, you begin to lash out and accuse those who are exposing the bigotry and intolerance as being intolerant themselves.Man, you are such an idiot. Don't you realize that I was one of the first people in this thread to criticize Dobson and to defend this video? You even used one of my posts as a reference. I merely stated the obvious fact that you too are a bigot.

Reading your responses often reminds me of something Marian Noel Sherman once said --

"Religious people often accuse atheists of being arrogant and placing ourselves in the position of god, but really it is the theist who has all the vanity. The religionist is an ignorant coward who cannot stand to think that he will ever cease to exist"____Marian Noel Sherman. Looks like Marian Noel Sherman, like you is also unconcerned with the truth. The truth is that many atheists are arrogant asses(not all, but many are). The statement about religionists is true about some as well. The bigotry comes in where you imply that all religionists are ignorant cowards. This simply is not true.