Hello !
new member here, just want to comment on a little known historical fact , in the early 1600s an estimated 25000 Irish slaves were exported by the british to the American colonies it is also estimated (by the same british historical source) that by 1652 that up to 130000 Trish men women and children were captured in thier native homeland and sold as slaves to meet the demand in an expanding empire
on the small island of saint kitts there are plans to build a comemerative monument
I really hope that this knowladge will prevent americans of irish decent from becoming racist and also that the black community will look at an Irishman with different eyes

As the descendent of one of those Irish deportees, I was well aware of the practice, although many are not. Most of them were the Irish who refused to swear allegiance to the English monarchs. In the case of my ancestor, he was charged with horse thievery and high treason for aiding the shipwrecked survivors of the Spanish Armada to get home, while keeping their weapons and horses to help in fighting the English.
I would also urge people to reject racism. It is small-minded to judge any individual without knowing them. It tells much about the individual judging and nothing about the person being judged.

The Irish government freely encouraged my generation to leave Ireland to seek work abroad and is a sad state of affairs!
I have however on my travels learnt of many links to other nations Official text book history is usually written by the supposed victors , but in an age old fight for survival a corrupt emperial system unwittingly exported a surviving diaspara : todays story tellers to tell the truth , also I would like to comment on the links with Espaņa, we have the connemara horses ( a mix of Andalucian and Irish!) to prove it
it is evident also that there are also Irish links to Asturias Cataluņa and Galicia the regions in the north of Spain with a wealth of traditional music and shared folklore,going back to an earlier period namely the invasion of imperial rome!
Ireland officialy became a republic after the dublin lockout in the 20s as the citizen army was formed from starving workers who wished to free all of the country from the bonds of tyranny,though under threat of mass slaughter!a cleverly desguised plan to devide the island of Ireland came into being and drew up the internal border and immersed the people in a civil war

shit

So Jeres account has been hacked then

Originally posted by Preacain
The Irish government freely encouraged my generation to leave Ireland to seek work abroad and is a sad state of affairs!
I have however on my travels learnt of many links to other nations Official text book history is usually written by the supposed victors , but in an age old fight for survival a corrupt emperial system unwittingly exported a surviving diaspara : todays story tellers to tell the truth , also I would like to comment on the links with Espaņa, we have the connemara horses ( a mix of Andalucian and Irish!) to prove it
it is evident also that there are also Irish links to Asturias Cataluņa and Galicia the regions in the north of Spain with a wealth of traditional music and shared folklore,going back to an earlier period namely the invasion of imperial rome!
Ireland officialy became a republic after the dublin lockout in the 20s as the citizen army was formed from starving workers who wished to free all of the country from the bonds of tyranny,though under threat of mass slaughter!a cleverly desguised plan to devide the island of Ireland came into being and drew up the internal border and immersed the people in a civil war

Well, you know that Asturias and Galicia have nowadays a lot of influences from Celtic times...but Catalunya? I cannot spot a single cultural thing which make them particulary Celtic...at least no more than other regions where the Celtics settled down. I guess you might already know that the Celtic reached as far as the Tajo river.

i like the way john trudell says on the subject, "slavery is slavery. whether you are in chains, an indentured servant, or in debt. slavery is slavery."

Hi Folks! Preacain here! lost my log in code so I was locked out for a while, Jeepers I was very heavy for a newbe Hope I didint sound too crazy and hope to be involved in any new topics!

The Irish Race, whom embraced the celtic culture, have in fact no links to the celtic peoples of Europe. Irish roots go back a lot further, and recently, DNA lines link Irish people with the people of Galicia and Basque regions of Northern Spain, it seems we followed the melting ice 12000 years ago and ended up in Ireland, not so sure of a connection to Catalonia tho.

The Irish Race, whom embraced the Celtic culture, have in fact no links to the Celtic peoples of Europe. Irish roots go back a lot further, and recently, DNA lines link Irish people with the people of Galicia and Basque regions of Northern Spain, it seems we followed the melting ice 12000 years ago and ended up in Ireland, not so sure of a connection to Catalonia tho.

That is an interesting claim. Since it is new to me, do you have a citation?

What do you think happened? The way a cultural change like you describe, without genetic change, usually happens is when the new culture arrives in fewer numbers but more advanced technology, hence able to set themselves up as a small ruling class and change the culture. Do you think this is what happened in Ireland when the Celts arrived?

Even then, however, there is usually a mix of the languages--the new language taking in a lot of words from the old one. Are there any Irish words that are not found in other Celtic languages but are in Basque?

I believe the Irish basically just lived as individuals or family groups without any sense of collectives and from what I can tell, no written tongue. It was the Celts arriving who gave us our national identity.
Check out The Irish on wikki.

For St. Patrick's Day at my job we put up a NINA (No Irish Need Apply http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Irish_racism) sign in the door, especially since the manager is an Irish immigrant.

God save the Queen. Down with Eire.

This is for you Evak, Im spoiling ya.

The Irish Race, whom embraced the celtic culture, have in fact no links to the celtic peoples of Europe. Irish roots go back a lot further, and recently, DNA lines link Irish people with the people of Galicia and Basque regions of Northern Spain, it seems we followed the melting ice 12000 years ago and ended up in Ireland, not so sure of a connection to Catalonia tho.
Yep the cataluņa phrase was a mix up!:@@: even preacain can make mistakes heard of another genetic research conducted by one of the universities in Eire . within europe the irish and scott connection is evident but also within Gaelic speakers there are more genes in common also there was a connection with the inhabitants of Iceland , also heard that the med between Espaņa and north africa was dry at the time as the wieght of the northern ice cap pushed the sea bed up . there are many leygends concerning early migrations to the Emerald isle If your interested browse through names of the early settelers such as , Partalon , Nemed , Mil Epana ETC.
the other guy should try to be nice even if he is only a half Paddy He He
ps That was an attempt at humor

[QUOTE=Evakian]For St. Patrick's Day at my job we put up a NINA (No Irish Need Apply http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Irish_racism) sign in the door, especially since the manager is an Irish immigrant.

God save the Queen. Down with Eire.[/QUOTE
Well, well What a surprise. the guys wanted to be secretly racist in a public place! typically brave, n God save the queen, because no one else can!

no need to bless Ireland because it was blessed at least 32 times!
britainnia is the name of a piece of land south of Bonnie Scotland which carries the name of a Gaelic emigrant from the island of Ireland!

Personally I believe that ingrained racisim in any culture is a sure sign of a culture that hates itself!

We are all slaves

I'm half Irish and didn't know this. Thanks for the info.