As I was sitting in the funeral home, listening to Bro. Eugene Webb preach my uncle's funeral, he said somethings that really struck home.

He said, he can never come back to us, but we can go to him. And then my aunt sang a song titled, "If you could talk"
It was talking about, like if David could talk to us, hed tell us that he was having an amazing time and that he would want nothing else but for us to be there.


That night, I sat there thinking? Am I waisting my time on allfourms? Is there any point in trying to whitness to these people who obviously wont accept the word of Christ?

And then, I felt God lead me to my answer. Yes. It is worth it.

I love each and everyone of you, and wont you all to be in Heaven. You may not accept Christ but the mere fact that you read my posts every day, atleast provides me the chance to continue to whitness and declare the good news of Jesus Christ to you all.

I miss my uncle tramenoudsly, but I know I will be with him again in Heaven. I KNOW.

As I stood above his casket and looked at him, I KNEW. I KNEW I would meet him again on the shores of Heaven.

I cant imagine how horrible it would feel for a nonbeliever to think when a loved one dies or when he dies that there is no more. The ride is over.

What a horrible feeling that is.

I am very blessed to have this opportunity to whitness to you, and I look forward to hopefully winning souls for the lord.

1st off let me say I'm sorry to here about your uncle.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
As I was sitting in the funeral home, listening to Bro. Eugene Webb preach my uncle's funeral, he said somethings that really struck home.

Did this preacher know your uncle?

He said, he can never come back to us, but we can go to him.

One thing about this is true everyone will die.

And then my aunt sang a song titled, "If you could talk"
It was talking about, like if David could talk to us, hed tell us that he was having an amazing time and that he would want nothing else but for us to be there.

He is having a wonderful time where? If he is dead then I would really like to see the proof of someone that is alive talking with him?


That night, I sat there thinking? Am I waisting my time on allfourms? Is there any point in trying to whitness to these people who obviously wont accept the word of Christ?

The word of Christ hmmmmmmmm....... Or do you mean the word of other men and there opinions about Christ?

And then, I felt God lead me to my answer. Yes. It is worth it.

Or maybe God was leading you do open your mind to some of those on allforums???

I love each and everyone of you, and wont you all to be in Heaven.

This would be very hard to believe because you don't know each and every one of us? What makes you think that we won't all go to heaven if that is the next part after death?

You may not accept Christ but the mere fact that you read my posts every day, atleast provides me the chance to continue to whitness and declare the good news of Jesus Christ to you all.

I would rather you debate your opinion then preach though.

I miss my uncle tramenoudsly, but I know I will be with him again in Heaven. I KNOW.

It is probably good for your health that you believe this way

As I stood above his casket and looked at him, I KNEW. I KNEW I would meet him again on the shores of Heaven.

Heaven has shores, what else would this heaven be/look like?

I cant imagine how horrible it would feel for a nonbeliever to think when a loved one dies or when he dies that there is no more. The ride is over.

Well I have seen no prove as to the whole Bible/Jesus thing, but it does not mean I believe the ride is over when a person dies. I am probably more spiritual then you are, so because I don't buy into mans preachings then I quess I'ld be considered worthless by Bible thumpers

I am very blessed to have this opportunity to whitness to you, and I look forward to hopefully winning souls for the lord.

Or maybe by comming to allforums you'll find out that some preacher man may not have all the answers???? Maybe Christ was really who you believe{I was not around back then} But does any man alive today know jack about what really happened back then... 100%. No matter what church you go to, what TV show you watch, etc.... the people that run these programs are still giving their interpretation/opinion of how they think.

Sorry to hear about your uncle. I know you said earlier he was sick.

Jere,

You are probably right

Winning souls for the lord?

**Theme music kicks in**

Welcome to another fabolous show of Save Thy Soul, with your presenter, all the way from heaven ladies and gents its Jesus!!.

< skip to the final question >

JEsus - "Ok Jere, for your chance to win the portable radio, the delux cooking set, the washer, dryer mixer and teddybear,the dinner with God and of course the chance to save 1 million souls of your choosen, just answer this simple Question...."

< The crowd goes deadly silent >

JEsus - "Whats my surname"

In respect to news of the his Uncles death - I held back my comments in my post,

But, Lokideviluk - I certainly agree with you.

The "17 year old now officially on a mission from God" to save us poor sinners - well - that's just pretty bizarre, not to mention pretty arrogant.

Jere - until you get realistic with your fantasies - you've more chance of converting water into wine than converting any reasonable person to your brand of religious loony tunes.

Still scratching head in disbelief that somebody can seriously think heaven is a physical place, lined with Gold streets, beautiful shorelines and so forth :@@:

It is just so painful for you people to hear someone talk about their relationship with God, isn't it?

Originally posted by jerejerebinks



That night, I sat there thinking? Am I waisting my time on allfourms? Is there any point in trying to whitness to these people who obviously wont accept the word of Christ?

And then, I felt God lead me to my answer. Yes. It is worth it.




Of course it is not a waste of time coming here to witness the gospel of Jesus Christ. Despite all the mockery and flack we get, who knows who can oneday be lead to Christ.

Originally posted by DaveTooner
It is just so painful for you people to hear someone talk about their relationship with God, isn't it?

No more painful than it would be to listen to a mental home patient talk about their invisible pet monkey. You'd feel a bit embarrased for them.

Jere, I'm confident that you are reaching more people than you know.

I, for one, have been blessed by many of your posts.

Don't let your critics dissuade you. Your positive presentation of the gospel is far more attractive than their petty insults.

yea....remember the parable that described planting a seed. It was such a small little seed but it grew to a huge tree. Don't look for results when talking about the word of God....All you are doing is planting seeds and thats all. Its unfortunate that people dont see it overnight but with most it takes YEARS to come to God if they aren't brought up on it. Keep up the work, just make sure you are doing it because you want to and not to see results.

If people are going to find god they will find him, because like so many of you keep spouting on about, YOU FEEL IT WITHIN YOU, so why at any moment do you feel the need to try and encourage anyone to find faith? when its simply a matter of waiting it out for those whom will find him.

The only reason you would try and convert a bunch of people is too give your life some meaning and purpose, so that you can look in the mirror and say to yourself "wow im doing something".

If an Atheist is going to find GOD, they will find him. Christians constantly preaching isnt going to make that person find him any faster so seriously, unless you lot need to keep reiterating it to each other for support, WE dont need to hear it.

Jere - I agree with Uncool & Dekca - that you should not let your critics disuade you.

Nurse - can I see the monkey now.

Jere, my sincerest condolences upon hearing of your loss.
Your belief in Christianity is helping you to cope, I am sure.
I will refrain from any other comments at this time out of respect for your time of grief.

Originally posted by DrewM
]No more painful than it would be to listen to a mental home patient talk about their invisible pet monkey. You'd feel a bit embarrased for them.

You don't have to feel embarassed, I know the monkey is real. You can't see him because he is afraid of you. :)

Originally posted by mad dog
1st off let me say I'm sorry to here about your uncle.

Thank you.


Originally posted by mad dog
Did this preacher know your uncle?

Yes, he did. He loved my uncle just like a brother.




Originally posted by mad dog
One thing about this is true everyone will die.

This is true. But for those born twice, we only die once.



Originally posted by mad dog
He is having a wonderful time where? If he is dead then I would really like to see the proof of someone that is alive talking with him?

He's having a wonderful time in Heaven, and it's a song, called "IF[he] could talk"




Originally posted by mad dog
The word of Christ hmmmmmmmm....... Or do you mean the word of other men and there opinions about Christ?

God's word is the Holy Bible. Simple.



Originally posted by mad dog
Or maybe God was leading you do open your mind to some of those on allforums???

In some cases, I'm quite sure thats true.



Originally posted by mad dog
This would be very hard to believe because you don't know each and every one of us? What makes you think that we won't all go to heaven if that is the next part after death?

I don't have to know you to love you. In fact, God commands us to love everyone. The very simplest form of love is wanting someone to go to Heaven.



Originally posted by mad dog
I would rather you debate your opinion then preach though.

Call it what you will...I will whitness.



Originally posted by mad dog
It is probably good for your health that you believe this way

It's comfronting to know.



Originally posted by mad dog
Heaven has shores, what else would this heaven be/look like?

A complete paradise.



Originally posted by mad dog
Well I have seen no prove as to the whole Bible/Jesus thing, but it does not mean I believe the ride is over when a person dies. I am probably more spiritual then you are, so because I don't buy into mans preachings then I quess I'ld be considered worthless by Bible thumpers

I have never said you have to buy in to what a man says. Only what God says.



Originally posted by mad dog
Or maybe by comming to allforums you'll find out that some preacher man may not have all the answers???? Maybe Christ was really who you believe{I was not around back then} But does any man alive today know jack about what really happened back then... 100%. No matter what church you go to, what TV show you watch, etc.... the people that run these programs are still giving their interpretation/opinion of how they think.

And theres absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Originally posted by Ed Blank
Jere,

You are probably right

Uh, thanks.

About what exactly?

Originally posted by Lokideviluk
Winning souls for the lord?

**Theme music kicks in**

Welcome to another fabolous show of Save Thy Soul, with your presenter, all the way from heaven ladies and gents its Jesus!!.

< skip to the final question >

JEsus - "Ok Jere, for your chance to win the portable radio, the delux cooking set, the washer, dryer mixer and teddybear,the dinner with God and of course the chance to save 1 million souls of your choosen, just answer this simple Question...."

< The crowd goes deadly silent >

JEsus - "Whats my surname"

It's a shame you make light at something that meant a lot to me.

Hope you feel better.

Originally posted by DrewM
The "17 year old now officially on a mission from God" to save us poor sinners - well - that's just pretty bizarre, not to mention pretty arrogant.

It's what God commands of me, Drew. Call it what you will.

Originally posted by mad dog
Jere - until you get realistic with your fantasies - you've more chance of converting water into wine than converting any reasonable person to your brand of religious loony tunes.

Thanks Drew, I think I'll take my chances.

Originally posted by DrewM
Still scratching head in disbelief that somebody can seriously think heaven is a physical place, lined with Gold streets, beautiful shorelines and so forth :@@:

I'm still bewildered that you dont.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by UnCoolDuck
Jere, I'm confident that you are reaching more people than you know.

I, for one, have been blessed by many of your posts.

Don't let your critics dissuade you. Your positive presentation of the gospel is far more attractive than their petty insults.

Thank you very much, UCD.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
I'm still bewildered that you dont.:rolleyes:

Why are you bewildered that I cannot accept that any heaven is a physical place with gold lined streets, beautiful shores yada yada.

On witnessesing - if the definition is religious arrogance - then you are on the money. Sorry - now you're on a "mission from God" :rant: to save our souls - I should be careful.

I make light of the situation because If your looking for sympathy... WHY? It totally contradicts what your saying since you KNOW he is in heaven and having a far better time than you so to be honest your post should have been an all singing all dancing "OMG my uncle has gone to heaven the lucky git, Cant wait till im there"

On the flipside you cant physically talk to, or see him anymore and the pain that must deal I have thankfully never felt, so if your grieving for that then I apologise and wish you the fastest recover which youll get from God.

Originally posted by DrewM
Why are you bewildered that I cannot accept that any heaven is a physical place with gold lined streets, beautiful shores yada yada.

I just do not understand why it is so incrediably difficult for you to accept. Perfection is not unobtainable through God. Just think, he created our Earth in 7 days....while he has been creating Heaven (even now.)

Can you just imagine how great that would be?

Originally posted by mad dog
On witnessesing - if the definition is religious arrogance - then you are on the money. Sorry - now you're on a "mission from God" :rant: to save our souls - I should be careful.

Whitnessing is not something that is meant to harm you. If I ever say anything that is offensive -- than I already apologize.

Originally posted by Lokideviluk
I make light of the situation because If your looking for sympathy... WHY? It totally contradicts what your saying since you KNOW he is in heaven and having a far better time than you so to be honest your post should have been an all singing all dancing "OMG my uncle has gone to heaven the lucky git, Cant wait till im there"

I was not nor am I now, asking for your pity. Just your understanding of the thought process that went into this revelation I had.

You showed a lack of gratitude that I can not respect.

Originally posted by mad dog
On the flipside you cant physically talk to, or see him anymore and the pain that must deal I have thankfully never felt, so if your grieving for that then I apologise and wish you the fastest recover which youll get from God.

Thank you, and that I do respect.

Mad dog didnt post that second bit... i did?

Oh well......

The response stays the same.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
Whitnessing is not something that is meant to harm you. If I ever say anything that is offensive -- than I already apologize. [/B]

I know, You have never said anything offensive to me. I am sure I have said stuff offensive to you. This is nothing personal, just a difference of opinion that is discussed. Your heart is in the right place and I cannot fault you for that.

Originally posted by DrewM
I know, You have never said anything offensive to me. I am sure I have said stuff offensive to you. This is nothing personal, just a difference of opinion that is discussed. Your heart is in the right place and I cannot fault you for that.

Great.

I just dont want you to think that I am wishing any ill will on you by my attempts. It's quite the opposite, actually.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks

Yes, he did. He loved my uncle just like a brother.

That is nice then. The reason I asked is because there are alot of preachers that never know the dead person but they want to talk about them like they did, This is very bold in my opinion.


This is true. But for those born twice, we only die once.

Born twice, is there some new sort of science out there that lets a person be born twice? when I reach 80 maybe I'll be born again so I can start over :D :D If God loves you, then why would anyone have to be born again or born twice?


He's having a wonderful time in Heaven, and it's a song, called "IF[he] could talk"

Can you show proof to us about this place called heaven? Please don't use the Bible or preacher teachings. Like I said I don't believe death is final but I also find it hard to believe in a man made heaven.


God's word is the Holy Bible. Simple.

no its not There were thoughts about god/gods/higher power/etc... wwwwaaaaayyyyyyy before the Bible. The Bible is writting/teachings from men, NOT God.


In some cases, I'm quite sure thats true.

This is good to hear, I'm not saying that you should change your beliefs but debate is good.


I don't have to know you to love you. In fact, God commands us to love everyone. The very simplest form of love is wanting someone to go to Heaven.

How do you not know that one of us isn't the devil? Don't worry it's not me I find the whole devil BS quite funny.


Call it what you will...I will whitness.

How can you ever expect to get your point across if all you do is preach? I'll bet if you debate you'll get alot further???


It's comfronting to know.

So now a new question comes to mind, do you believe because you are afraid? if you didn't believe then this could be it{life on earth}.


A complete paradise.

And this paradise is seen through whos eyes? Your idea of paradise may be a city filled with loved ones where my paradise may be a country side with no one around?



I have never said you have to buy in to what a man says. Only what God says.

You are preaching from a book that was written by man.,.,., MANS WORDS. What have you said that came straight from God to you? The only thing that I can thing of would be the part about comming to allforums, after that you go right back to what you heard or read from another man.


And theres absolutely nothing wrong with that.

I'm alittle confused here, there is nothing wrong with opening up your mind? Or there is nothing wrong with following the opinions of others?

Originally posted by mad dog
That is nice then. The reason I asked is because there are alot of preachers that never know the dead person but they want to talk about them like they did, This is very bold in my opinion.

You dont have to know someone to be a brother in Christ.




Originally posted by mad dog
Born twice, is there some new sort of science out there that lets a person be born twice? when I reach 80 maybe I'll be born again so I can start over :D :D If God loves you, then why would anyone have to be born again or born twice?

It's not a new science at all. In fact, its been around for quite a long time.




Originally posted by mad dog
Can you show proof to us about this place called heaven? Please don't use the Bible or preacher teachings. Like I said I don't believe death is final but I also find it hard to believe in a man made heaven.

God's word tells me there is a Heaven. What tells you there isn't?




Originally posted by mad dog
no its not There were thoughts about god/gods/higher power/etc... wwwwaaaaayyyyyyy before the Bible. The Bible is writting/teachings from men, NOT God.

Inspired by God.




Originally posted by mad dog
How do you not know that one of us isn't the devil? Don't worry it's not me I find the whole devil BS quite funny.

That's good. Show's that you know you are above him.




Originally posted by mad dog
How can you ever expect to get your point across if all you do is preach? I'll bet if you debate you'll get alot further???

I just said I'll debate whatever you like.




Originally posted by mad dog
So now a new question comes to mind, do you believe because you are afraid? if you didn't believe then this could be it{life on earth}.

I fear God. I fear nothing else.




Originally posted by mad dog
And this paradise is seen through whos eyes? Your idea of paradise may be a city filled with loved ones where my paradise may be a country side with no one around?

Heaven is and will be a paradise for all that is there.





Originally posted by mad dog
You are preaching from a book that was written by man.,.,., MANS WORDS. What have you said that came straight from God to you? The only thing that I can thing of would be the part about comming to allforums, after that you go right back to what you heard or read from another man.

If I said God spoke to me, I would be looked down upon like a fool. I do believe God speaks to his children though.




Originally posted by mad dog
I'm alittle confused here, there is nothing wrong with opening up your mind? Or there is nothing wrong with following the opinions of others?

There is nothing wrong with opening your mind. Being decieved is where the problems lie.

There is nothing wrong with opening your mind. Being decieved is where the problems lie.

Jere's dictionary definition of 'decieved'

'anything that doesn't match what i have been told'

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
You dont have to know someone to be a brother in Christ.

That really isn't my point, I find it bold and a waste of loved ones time when a preacher goes on and on at a funeral. If the preacher doesn't know the person that has past then he should just give a quick except him lord and then let those that new the person greive and do there thing. In your case I quess you all knew each other so it probably wouldn't have bothered anyone.


God's word tells me there is a Heaven. What tells you there isn't?

God's word......... so you have talked with God?



Inspired by God.

This is still something that needs proof?


That's good. Show's that you know you are above him.

I'm not above him because he is not real, I can not be above equal to or below something that isn't there.


I just said I'll debate whatever you like.

Good to hear when I think of something I'll start a thread.


I fear God. I fear nothing else.

This troubles me, why would you fear something that has nothing but true love for you. Is God good or does it like to torment people?


Heaven is and will be a paradise for all that is there.

You skipped my question, how is this heaven going to be, your idea of paradise or mine?


If I said God spoke to me, I would be looked down upon like a fool. I do believe God speaks to his children though.

So if God spoke to you, you wouldn't say anything because you fear what others will think of you? So then which is more important in your life society or God? Maybe God has spoken to you and told you something that didn't jive with the Bible, but because you don't want to be different you just go with the flow???



There is nothing wrong with opening your mind. Being decieved is where the problems lie.

So when preacher Bob gives you his opinion are you not being decieved? When someone says do things thier way or you'll go to hell isn't this decieving? How do you know 100% that you are not being decieved?

Originally posted by mad dog




This troubles me, why would you fear something that has nothing but true love for you. Is God good or does it like to torment people?

Having fear of God is not being terrifeid of Him, it is having reverance and honor for Him. Of course, those who know the Lord and have a personal relationship with Him, have no reason to be afraid of Him. God is merciful and loving.

JMan - you still have not explained why you are a christian instead of a Muslim or a jew etc

JMan then wouldn't it be more like respect not fear? To have fear of God would be fear of the highest. I can fear another person but could that person judge in the after life?

Originally posted by DrewM
JMan - you still have not explained why you are a christian instead of a Muslim or a jew etc

Drew, quite awhile back, I explained how the Lord proved Himself real to me.

Originally posted by mad dog
[B]JMan then wouldn't it be more like respect not fear?

Yes. If you read 2nd Timothy1:7, it says-God hasn't given us a spirit of fear, but of love, power and a sound mind. A loving God wants us to reverance Him, but He doesn't want us to live in terror of Him. He wants us to choose by our own freewill to honor HIm and worship Him.

JMan The last part of your post is what i want to question he wants us to choose by our own freewill to honor him and worship him

If this is the case then why threaten those that don't with a hell? If it is to be our freewill then why do Christians feel the need to convert others? One other thing that I allways found interesting is the fact he said I am a jealous God? If in fact he is the only God then what does he have to be jealous of? An all knowing power could not possibly be jealous of something that didn't exist.

Originally posted by mad dog
JMan The last part of your post is what i want to question he wants us to choose by our own freewill to honor him and worship him

If this is the case then why threaten those that don't with a hell? If it is to be our freewill then why do Christians feel the need to convert others? One other thing that I allways found interesting is the fact he said I am a jealous God? If in fact he is the only God then what does he have to be jealous of? An all knowing power could not possibly be jealous of something that didn't exist.

Mad Dog, God is the creator. When He created mankind, He desired to have fellowship with us. Adam and Eve had fellowship with God in the garden. The walked with God and heard from God directly.

Of course, the adversary, Satan, desires to lead us away from God and wants to lure us to hell. Sin is what leads man to hell. We have all sinned and fallen short. Since God is Holy, He has to judge sin. That is why we need a saviour. Jesus Christ is the one who can wash our sins away. Accepting Him, all of our sins are forgiven and He cleanses us from all unrighteousness.

About Him being a jealous God, that means that He doesn't want us going after false gods. People worship all sorts of things. People can worship money, material things, other people(celebraties get worshipped quite a bit), people can make an idol out of television, sports, etc. God desires us to give Him that place in our lives.

God gave us the freewill to choose betwen life and death eternally. We can either choose to be on the path the leads to Heaven or to hell.

A life without Christ is like a car without a sterring wheel. You may get a few blocks or you may even get a few miles if your fortunate, but eventually you will crash up.

Originally posted by the J Man
Yes. If you read 2nd Timothy1:7, it says-God hasn't given us a spirit of fear, but of love, power and a sound mind. A loving God wants us to reverance Him, but He doesn't want us to live in terror of Him. He wants us to choose by our own freewill to honor HIm and worship Him.
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Or burn in hell forever!!!!

Originally posted by Dan Fussell
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Or burn in hell forever!!!!


NOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW Youre catching on!

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
NOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW Youre catching on!
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Oh', I cought on a long time age. If not I would still be tied to one of the religions.

Originally posted by Dan Fussell
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Or burn in hell forever!!!!

The choice is yours Dan. Doesn;t have to be that way.

Thanks for the post JMan, I don't believe in the devil garbage for facts that I have learned through he years. I also don't believe in the being saved from man made sins. I do believe a spiritual man{Jesus} did walk the earth, but I have yet to see any proof he was God or the son of. Who knows maybe 2000 years from now they'll be teaching about Davivd K.{waco} as being the 2nd comming and how the bad people{ATF and non-believers} burned him on a stake.

He said don't worship other gods he didn't say anything about having/worshipping idols. By him saying that he is jealous of other gods this in away would prove there very possibly could be other gods

You said it yourself a person either follows God or God will show hate and send that person to a hell. This can not be a loving forgiving God it would have to be a hatefull and miss guiding God. God is all knowing so he knows that we have the power of thought and that our logic may tell us that one religion is wrong compared to another. So with this knowledge he would still try to confuse us and scare us with absolute evil? This sounds more like a cat mouse game then a god.

Originally posted by mad dog
He said don't worship other gods he didn't say anything about having/worshipping idols. By him saying that he is jealous of other gods this in away would prove there very possibly could be other gods

What do you consider a God? Something you worship?

Well....a false idol is anything you put before God. Anything you worship.

The Golden Calf is a wonderful example.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jerejerebinks
[B]What do you consider a God? Something you worship?

Well....a false idol is anything you put before God. Anything you worship.
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Would you burn a Bible?
Would you smash a cross?
Would you blow up a church?
Would you speak against the Christian religion?

If not, this may be because they have become the God.
For the first three are merely material things, and the last an ideal.

Wouldnt they depend on the context of destruction. If your destroying all those things to smite God then it would be pretty unreligious of you. If its to stay warm in the cold months and thats all you have, (no wood/logs etc) then i dont think they would have a problem with it.

Originally posted by Dan Fussell
[QUOTE]Originally posted by jerejerebinks
[B]What do you consider a God? Something you worship?

Well....a false idol is anything you put before God. Anything you worship.
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Would you burn a Bible?
Would you smash a cross?
Would you blow up a church?
Would you speak against the Christian religion?

If not, this may be because they have become the God.
For the first three are merely material things, and the last an ideal.

These things are not idols. The Bible is God's word. The cross was used by Christ to die for our sins. Why would I blow up anything, anyhow?

Take a walk into a Roman Catholic church if you want to see some false idols.

They even pray to the virgin Mary.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
What do you consider a God? Something you worship?

Well....a false idol is anything you put before God. Anything you worship.

An idol would be something like a movie star, here on earth you may have great respect for John Doe. God is all power, all knowing, higher power, the force of life, BIG difference.

Christians don't worship the Bible or the cross or anything like that. We worship God alone. The Bible is holy because in it is the word of God, the cross is holy because Christ made it holy by His blood. All those things are holy because God made them holy, even Mary (to whom we pray, but that is different from worshiping her, mind you).
Did you ever hear anybody say: "Holy cross, I pray to you." or "Holy Bible, help me to become faithful." If you did, then I feel sorry for the people who said that, because they are ceirtainly misguided.