This is probably one of the worst statements ever. The fact that a book could be Satan....hah. I laugh at those super-christians (no offense)

Flanders: And Harry Potter, and all his wizard friends, went straight to hell for practicing witchcraft. (throws book in fire)
Rod and Tod: YAY!

Haha. I always found it funny that when Ned takes his shirt off he's all Billy Blanks Taebo buff....ewww disgusting....same thing with Willie the Groundskeeper

Flanders....ewww, see his butt in his ski suit?....*shuddering*

Originally posted by creetwins
Flanders....ewww, see his butt in his ski suit?....*shuddering*
Stupid sexy Flanders!

"Did anyone pray for giant shoes?"
"I did!"
"Okely dokely!"

I think that whole Harry Potter crap is stupid.

I also think the book is stupid, but thats beside the point.

I myself kinda liked the Harry Potter series. I've read all the books that have come out and really can't see a connection to devil worship or any of that. It's a fun series. I really don't understand why a certain segment of religious types have taken up against it.

I read them all this year - I found them quite fascinating. Have you read any of them JJB or are you just pretty sure you don't like them?

Sad to say, I was forced to read them in 6th grade. The first 3 anyway.

Maybe the other 2 are better. Doubt it though.

But that's just my taste. I'm not a real big sci-fi guy (triple rhyme score!!!) I don't like lord of the rings or any of that kind of thing.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
I'm not a real big sci-fi guy (triple rhyme score!!!) I don't like lord of the rings or any of that kind of thing.
HEATHEN! ;)

And also, to nitpick: Neither Harry Potter nor LOTR is science fiction. Those two series are squarely in the fantasy genre.

Sci Fi/ Fantasy.....It's all under the Dork section of my Library.

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
I've read all the books that have come out and really can't see a connection to devil worship or any of that. It's a fun series. I really don't understand why a certain segment of religious types have taken up against it.

Many young people these days are being lured into the occult. Harry Potter makes witchcraft look like it's harmless, innocent fun when in reality, witchcraft is dangerous to get into.

Witchcraft is forbidden by God in the bible. Getting involved in occutlism in a trap. Many people say that harry potter is just fantasy and not real witchcraft, but the witchcraft in Harry Potter is stuff that can be found in real witchcraft books. Harry Potter includes spell casting, potions, astrology, divination, enchanting, astral projection. These things are practiced in real witchcraft.

It is obvious you know nothing about the Wican religion or witchcraft as it is practiced today. Your biased and unreal views most likely come from unsubstantiated christian teachings.

Originally posted by the J Man
Many young people these days are being lured into the occult. Harry Potter makes witchcraft look like it's harmless, innocent fun when in reality, witchcraft is dangerous to get into.

Witchcraft is forbidden by God in the bible. Getting involved in occutlism in a trap. Many people say that harry potter is just fantasy and not real witchcraft, but the witchcraft in Harry Potter is stuff that can be found in real witchcraft books. Harry Potter includes spell casting, potions, astrology, divination, enchanting, astral projection. These things are practiced in real witchcraft.
I neither know of no one nor have I heard of anyone becoming a witch or warlock because of Harry Potter. That idea is simply asinine.

Lol does that mean Charmed is the devil too? Thats gonna piss Reven off a whole bunch, Rev are you christian? Cause if you are, no more Charmed for you!!

lol no not Charmed!!!!!!!

I actually don't know what I am. I mean, I read the bible but my family doesn't go to church. I guess I'm just a half-Christian. Hmm...but I'm still going to watch Charmed. God understands (hopefully);)

If god allowed the existence of magic, why shouldnt we use it?
Note: I still dont believe in magic, just hypothetical.

Very true...also corresponds with sex toys and mangos!

Originally posted by revenG_DeSire
Very true...also corresponds with sex toys and mangos!
You use mangoes as sex toys?

No...or at least I hope not...wait...WHERE DID THAT YELLOW ORANGE THING COME FROM!!!???!!!!

Originally posted by the J Man
Many young people these days are being lured into the occult. Harry Potter makes witchcraft look like it's harmless, innocent fun when in reality, witchcraft is dangerous to get into.

Luckily, people who read Harry Potter books aren't that stupid.

I have read all the HP books - my children like them. They have become increasingly a trial to read as J.K.Rowling's increasing kudos has made editting difficult. The last one had such a slight story it could easily have been halved in length and kept all its necessary content.

As for the opposition, it is an instructive instance of that universal truth: There is nothing worse than a know-all that knows ****all. There used to be (may still be, not sure) the doctrine of Papal Infallibility, this has been extended, by a process of self-declaration, to a general infallibility for all Christian preachers of a suitably extremist hue. If I have a brain tumour, I want to be treated by an expert neurosurgeon, I wouldn't ask my car mechanic to sort me out. I wouldn't go after unbiased facts about Europe from a swivel-eyed Eurosceptic. So why do these Christians consider themselves experts on the Occult and, moreover, why does the media accord them such expert status? I can assure all Christians that have swallowed the propaganda rather than actually researched it themselves, a spell requires rather more than waggling a wand and shouting a couple of words in Cod Latin! If you ask a dozen witches what their religion involves, assuming they actually accepted that witchcraft was a religion which is not always the case (Christian witches are not unknown, especially in the US), you would get a variety of answers, there would by no means be a consensus. So, if there are contemporary differences of opinion, what chance that the brief mentions (in translation) of thousands of years ago
are going to, in any way at all, coincide with the modern usage.

What we have with the HP books are derivative stories that are harmless and, most importantly, have got children reading. The only original thing. about them is the synthesis of fantasy and traditional boarding school stories. So, why wish to ban them or, at least, stop people reading them? Solely because it is an excuse to wield control. They say God gave man free will but then go out of their way to ensure that man hasn't the slightest opportunity or chance to acquire the intention to exercise it.

Originally posted by KingEdward
a spell requires rather more than waggling a wand and shouting a couple of words in Cod Latin!

You are absolutely right! I must've tried that expecto patronus spell a hundred times, and I still can't get rid of those pesky dementors!:D

Originally posted by BorgHunter
I neither know of no one nor have I heard of anyone becoming a witch or warlock because of Harry Potter. That idea is simply asinine.

People that get into the occult, just don't go around telling people that they are into it. The truth is, numerous young people are getting involved in occultism. Stuff that makes witchcraft seem to be harmless and innocent draw people down that path.

That is a very good point J-Man.

Originally posted by LionelHutz
Luckily, people who read Harry Potter books aren't that stupid.

it's not about being stupid. There are many who are looking for something to belong to and be apart of. Many who want esotoric knowledge and power. The occult appears to be harmless and innocent when in reality, it is a trap and will lead you to destruction.

Besides, the most vulnerable are the youth and also those who lack self esteem and don't know who they are in life. They can easlity get suckered into that trap. Nowadays, witchcraft is made to look harmless and innocent.

Originally posted by KingEdward


So, why wish to ban them or, at least, stop people reading them? Solely because it is an excuse to wield control. They say God gave man free will but then go out of their way to ensure that man hasn't the slightest opportunity or chance to acquire the intention to exercise it.[/color] [/B]

This isn't about banning them, or about getting control over anyone. This is about getting the truth out to people so that they can truly know what this stuff stands for and know what is really behind it.

God already says that all witchcraft is forbidden and an abomination unto Him. What is an abimination? An abomination is something that is deststable to the Lord. In other words, it literally goes against Him.

The practice of witchcraft has dramatically inceased over the past decade. Witcchraft is counterfeit spiritual power. It is the counterfeit of the Holy Spirit and is done through conjuring up demons. Harry Pooter involved summoning spirits. It involves spell casting, enchanting, potions, astrology, astral projection, ect and all that is frobidden by God in the bible.

Originally posted by Evil Homer
If god allowed the existence of magic, why shouldnt we use it?

God allowed evil into the world, but He sure doesn't want us practicing it. He doesn't want us practicing witchcraft.


Note: I still dont believe in magic, just hypothetical.

Witchcraft is very real and practiced by real witches. I have a couple of frinds that used to be into witchcraft. They did astral projection and shape shipting. They are now christians serving the Lord, but for quite a few years, they were into witchcraft very heavily.

Originally posted by revenG_DeSire
lol no not Charmed!!!!!!!

I actually don't know what I am. I mean, I read the bible but my family doesn't go to church. I guess I'm just a half-Christian. Hmm...but I'm still going to watch Charmed. God understands (hopefully);)

Christianity is a personal relationship with Jesus. It is accepting Him as Lord and saviour. Going to a bible believing church is very beneficial.

There is no such thing as half-christian. You either are or your not. You have either accpted Jesus oryou haven't. Saying that your half christian is like saying a woman in half pregnant. It is impossible.

The occult appears to be harmless and innocent when in reality, it is a trap and will lead you to destruction.

This paranoid nonsense is forever being wheeled out by those who know not of what they speak. I have been inviolved, to lesser or greater extent, in occult oriented things now for something like 30 years without any undo ill effects. I have met many much more involved than me who are similarly unaffected.
You do get some who appear to crack up mentally but I would wager the month's mortgage on the percentage being much the same as in the population at large, much the same as those who crack up among practicing Christians.

I have yet to see a good reason for avoiding the occult that doesn't rely upon Biblical quotation. This is pointless because take someone like me - I am Pagan, I do not recognise in the Bible what a Christian would, it is not an authority for me. So, convince me my interest in the occult is bad for me in a way I can accept and understand.

Besides, the most vulnerable are the youth and also those who lack self esteem and don't know who they are in life. They can easlity get suckered into that trap.

This could be said for any group - occult; fundamentalist Christian, Islam, whatever; cult in general. I have worked with young Fundies in the past and they tend to be the inadequates, those who have plumbed the depths via drink, drugs, etc. and, thus, are ripe for the picking by whoever comes along offering support and something to belong to. I remember one chap with a history of drug abuse who belonged to and had married into a Fundie group walking about the care home where he was on my staff gibbering away saying he was speaking in tongues while he worked - it was clearly gibberish, not resembling any language ever spoken in this Earth, and I feared for his sanity. He had replaced one dysfunction with another.

Originally posted by KingEdward
This paranoid nonsense is forever being wheeled out by those who know not of what they speak.
Oh. this isn't about being paranoid, this is about having a concern for the fact that many others are being led into that trap and about warning people about waht the occult is really all about so that many would think twice about getting into it.

I have been inviolved, to lesser or greater extent, in occult oriented things now for something like 30 years without any undo ill effects. I have met many much more involved than me who are similarly unaffected.

Well you sure haven't been in it hard core if your saying that. There are many who have testifed about how God delivered them from occult bondage and testify what went on while they were into occultism. A matter of fact, there are former occultists that are involved in ministry at expsing the occult and reaching out to people in the occult with a desire to lead them out fo that demonic trap. Satan has a lie, that once your in the occult, you can't get out. Jesus came to set the captives free. many have escaped the occult and are seving the Lord today.

I know of a woman who got out of hard-core satanism. She mentined that wicca(which is a lot more moderate than satanism) is used to lure in people by it being so seemingly harmless and innocent. First of all, it lures people away from Jesus Christ who is the only one who can save us from sin, who gave His life for our sins, second, Satan uses wicca in hopes that practioners will get into deeper witchcraft. When someone is in deep, it is harder to get out.

I have yet to see a good reason for avoiding the occult that doesn't rely upon Biblical quotation. This is pointless because take someone like me - I am Pagan, I do not recognise in the Bible what a Christian would, it is not an authority for me. So, convince me my interest in the occult is bad for me in a way I can accept and understand.

I am not here to convince you. I posted this to educate people about the truth behind Harry Potter. I can't force you to accept Jesus into your heart, but I hope you would make that decision. He is the way, the truth and the life.

Originally posted by the J Man
God allowed evil into the world, but He sure doesn't want us practicing it. He doesn't want us practicing witchcraft.

Then why the hell did he put it here?

*Fine...I'm a Christian-that-doesn't-go-to-church Christian.*

[QUOTE]Originally posted by the J Man
[B]Oh. this isn't about being paranoid, this is about having a concern for the fact that many others are being led into that trap and about warning people about waht the occult is really all about so that many would think twice about getting into it.
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The followers of David at Waco or Jim Jones at Gyanna, or other vairous Christian cults might say that also if you can find any of them still alive.
In other words the problem is not the belief, but the fanatics that get in charge of groups of people.

I condemn no belief system. I condemn those that turn it into private vendetas of private beliefs.

Originally posted by Dan Fussell

The followers of David at Waco or Jim Jones at Gyanna, or other vairous Christian cults might say that also if you can find any of them still alive.
In other words the problem is not the belief, but the fanatics that get in charge of groups of people.

I condemn no belief system. I condemn those that turn it into private vendetas of private beliefs. [/B]

Christianity is not a cult(as what the 2 people you just mentioned were into), it is following the Lord Jesus Christ. Stading up for truth does not make you a fanatic. A fanatic is someone who canot precieve reality and is so into what they are into, they don't recognize anything else in life. In christianity, a fanatic would be someone who is so heavenly bound, that they are no earthly good. Standing uo for righteousness and exposing satanic deception by no means makes someone a fanatic. it just means that they don't want peoplebeing decieved by by satanic deception.
Many are being lured into occultism. That is very serious stuff.

Originally posted by revenG_DeSire
Then why the hell did he put it here?

*Fine...I'm a Christian-that-doesn't-go-to-church Christian.*

As far as witchcraft is concerned, God did not put ti there. Witchcraft is demonic. It is the power that satan's kingdom operates. Anything evil, was not put there by God. Satan is the author of sin. Anything ungodly and wicked, is the work of satan. Occultism and witchraft is the work fo Satan used to reach the masses to get them away from the will fo God. satan works day and night trying to get people to serve him. He doesn't want you serving God. He doesn't want you accepting Jesus into your heart.

Originally posted by the J Man
Christianity is not a cult(as what the 2 people you just mentioned were into), it is following the Lord Jesus Christ. Stading up for truth does not make you a fanatic. A fanatic is someone who canot precieve reality and is so into what they are into, they don't recognize anything else in life. In christianity, a fanatic would be someone who is so heavenly bound, that they are no earthly good. Standing uo for righteousness and exposing satanic deception by no means makes someone a fanatic. it just means that they don't want peoplebeing decieved by by satanic deception.
Many are being lured into occultism. That is very serious stuff.
And not ONE person was "lured" into witchcraft by Harry Potter. It's fiction; just like Lord of the Rings, Star Trek, or my sex life. Playing Grand Theft Auto doesn't cause anyone to kill, reading Christine by Stephen King doesn't turn you into a homocidal Plymouth, and reading Harry Potter doesn't turn you into a Wiccan. It's simply false.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
And not ONE person was "lured" into witchcraft by Harry Potter. It's fiction; just like Lord of the Rings, Star Trek, or my sex life. Playing Grand Theft Auto doesn't cause anyone to kill, reading Christine by Stephen King doesn't turn you into a homocidal Plymouth, and reading Harry Potter doesn't turn you into a Wiccan. It's simply false.

Satan is a lot more subtle than that. That is how he decieves people. Harry Potter is just so cleverly packaged that many think it is just fiction, but as I stated before, the witchcraft found in Potter is stuff that is in real witchcraft books. Harry Potter is orientational and instructional manules to witchcraft woven into the format of entertainment.

It gets people(particularly young people) interested in witchcraft. It doesn't directly get them into it, that would be too obvious if it did. But it plants a seed. Many who are looking for belonging and acceptance have gotten the message that getting into witchcraft is the solution.

Harry Potter makes witchcraft look like pure fun. It makes it lok like "hey if you want to be someone in life, all you have to do is become a witch or a wizard." "Become like Harry Potter, and you can become someone too."

j man, i have an innocent question. have you ever read the harry potter books?

Originally posted by sputnik
j man, i have an innocent question. have you ever read the harry potter books?

Certainly I have. It's own material speaks for itself. It is laced with witchcraft.

Originally posted by the J Man
Certainly I have. It's own material speaks for itself. It is laced with witchcraft.
Not real witchcraft, I hope you know. The Harry Potter series is about as realistic as Clifford the Big Red Dog.

*grabs a stick of wood, runs outside, and yells "expecto patronum!" at the first thing he sees move*

Oh no! Satan!!!

the witchcraft found in Potter is stuff that is in real witchcraft books.
*Crowley twists in the mud*

Originally posted by BorgHunter
reading Christine by Stephen King doesn't turn you into a homocidal Plymouth

Quite true. It only turned me into a manic-depressive Toyota.

Originally posted by the J Man
Satan is a lot more subtle than that. That is how he decieves people. Harry Potter is just so cleverly packaged that many think it is just fiction, but as I stated before, the witchcraft found in Potter is stuff that is in real witchcraft books. Harry Potter is orientational and instructional manules to witchcraft woven into the format of entertainment.

It gets people(particularly young people) interested in witchcraft. It doesn't directly get them into it, that would be too obvious if it did. But it plants a seed. Many who are looking for belonging and acceptance have gotten the message that getting into witchcraft is the solution.

Harry Potter makes witchcraft look like pure fun. It makes it lok like "hey if you want to be someone in life, all you have to do is become a witch or a wizard." "Become like Harry Potter, and you can become someone too."
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Burn the witches.
I hope you do not believe that people can watch Harry Potter as an instruction manual and do the things movie mechanics accomplish.
Organized religions have long tried to lure those "longing for acceptance" you speak of. But, I guess that is o.k. with you for it is the same belief that you have.
Many Christians say "hey if you want to be someone in Heaven all you have to do is follow my way." "Become like me and you can become someone too."
So what is the difference. You believe in the Book you follow. So do they.
Only by using your Book as a reference can you prove you are correct.
Witches may feel the same way with as much passion as you exhibit.
Who knows they may be right and you wrong.
I have an open mind. Do you?
Satan my not exist. From what I have witnessed personally witches derive their power form the human mind.

The 'occultism' in HP is almost completely made-up nonsense - I do speak with knowledge rather than with the unsubstantiable claptrap poured down the Fundies' throats by their cult leaders. I think it is much more worrying that the youth of today can be sucked into such antiintellectualism, such bigotry, such warped fantasy as promulgated by the Fundamentalist cults that populate the outer reaches of Christianity and, in the name of balance, other religions as well, I suppose.

There is relatively little witchcraft in the HP books, yet they bang on about it ad nauseum. What do the Christian Witches of this world think (a largely US phenomenon but one that exists)? Are they ashamed of their Christian brothers pushing a gospel of hatred in the name of the religion of supposed love?

Phillip Pullman's His Dark Materials trilogy is being filmed at the moment. An excellent fantasy series, much deeper than HP and one that has as its main baddies the organised church and concerns the raising of an army to march on heaven and defeat God. Now, under the Fundies' influence, all references to God and religion have been removed, as I understand it. It's hard to know whether to laugh hysterically at the sheer lunacy of it all or cry and fear for the future. It does look as though the lunatics are truly taking over the asylum!

Anyone notice that everyone in the HP books celebrates Christmas?

Originally posted by KingEdward


There is relatively little witchcraft in the HP books, yet they bang on about it ad nauseum. What do the Christian Witches of this world think (a largely US phenomenon but one that exists)? Are they ashamed of their Christian brothers pushing a gospel of hatred in the name of the religion of supposed love?


It's amazing that in this day and age, anyone who speaks out against sin and tells the truth the way it is, is supposively hateful and intolerant. if someone says that witchcraft is an abomination unto God(which it is), then that is supposively hateful and intolerant. Do you really think that I would be here if I was hateful and intolerant?

There are christians who really do have the love of Christ for others, but they are of course, considered hateful and intolerant because they refuse to compromise.

Yes, but you constantly take the line that you are right therefore it's understandable. "Why should anybody who is right not speak the truth"

Well - newsflash - there are many people who think you are plain wrong and do no accept that you are speaking from a place of truth.

Is that so hard to comprehend??? Just because you think something is truth does not make it truth.

J Man, you are talking against witchcraft or the use of magic, wicca,etc.
Yet, whether it happened or not the Christian Bible is full of magic in the old testament.
Turning water to blood, filling baskets with fish and bread magically, parting the waters, turning staffs to snakes, etc.
Now the only defense you would have is to say oh' God gave these people this power. Yet, it was what we would term magic to those observing.
Wicca certainly does not call upon Satan to make changes in the environment of people.

I believe all of what man calls magic originates in one place.
I believe what we call true magic is a natural occurance, unexplainable at this time.
Some men say magic (miracles) is of God, Some say of Satan depending upon the belief.
If a Wicca practicioner helped a good thing occur where did it come from? Satan is supposed to be evil and God-good.

The guys working for Pharoah that had no choice but follow orders and when the plagues and water closed in upon them they would have thought something akin to Satan was taking their lives. All the people in Egypt was not guilty of holding people in bondage. yet, they suffered at the hands of what they would have thought the most evil of Gods thru the magic of Moses. At one point in the Bible when Pharoah was ready to release the people it states that God hardened the heart of Pharoah then made the people of Egypt suffer even more to make Pharoah release his people from bondage.

An omnificent God simply could have had Pharoahs left foot fall off, then right foot, then right hand etc. to make Pharoah suffer and release the Israelites. No he makes innocent people lose their first born etc.

That would be like God killing all first born in America because Bush chose to enter Iraq, when in truth the Americans had little to do with it and many against it.

Originally posted by the J Man
It's amazing that in this day and age, anyone who speaks out against sin and tells the truth the way it is, is supposively hateful and intolerant. if someone says that witchcraft is an abomination unto God(which it is),

But you're not railing against witchcraft, you're railing against a fictional book, which is just silly. And I'll say it again, everyone in the HP books celebrates Christmas.

Lemme guess.....these are the same people who do not allow their children to participate in Halloween, and instead dress the children up as the disciples and attend apple bobbing at the church........to be safe from SATAN!

If you seeriously seriously believe in that type of Movie Witchcraft, then you are going to have to ban every freaking story with a witch in it. What's next, Snow White? Sleeping Beauty? The Wizard of Oz?

Originally posted by Dan Fussell
[B]J Man, you are talking against witchcraft or the use of magic, wicca,etc.

I am not talking against people who practice it, I am just going against the ungodly practice of witchcraft itself. I personally have a few friends that are into that. I don't look at them as any less of a person because of it. But the practice of witchcraft is wicked and meaqnt to lure people away from the Lord.


Yet, whether it happened or not the Christian Bible is full of magic in the old testament.
Turning water to blood, filling baskets with fish and bread magically, parting the waters, turning staffs to snakes, etc.
Now the only defense you would have is to say oh' God gave these people this power. Yet, it was what we would term magic to those observing.


Dan, that was done through the power of God. Witchcraft is done through the pwoer of Satan. It was God that gave Moses the ability to turn staffs into snakes. That wasn't magic. The Holy Spriit today allows His followers to miraculous things in the name of the Lord.




Some men say magic (miracles) is of God, Some say of Satan depending upon the belief.

As I mentioned before, the Lord annoints His people to miraculous things, but Satan also has his counterfeits. Many of satan's counterfeits are seemiongly harmless and innocent.


If a Wicca practicioner helped a good thing occur where did it come from? Satan is supposed to be evil and God-good.

satan who is a master of deception will even use things like that to draw people away from Christ. That is his main desire.

The guys working for Pharoah that had no choice but follow orders and when the plagues and water closed in upon them they would have thought something akin to Satan was taking their lives. All the people in Egypt was not guilty of holding people in bondage.

Fist of all Dan, how do you really know what was in their hearts? From my understanding, the Egyptians were cruel to the Isrealites.

At one point in the Bible when Pharoah was ready to release the people it states that God hardened the heart of Pharoah then made the people of Egypt suffer even more to make Pharoah release his people from bondage.

What it means by God hardening Phaoah's heart, is that because Phaoroah was hardened in his own beliefs, God turned him over to hsi won ways and didn't urge him to repent any more. God desires all to repeny, but if someone is just so hardened in their own ways, God allows them to that.

An omnificent God simply could have had Pharoahs left foot fall off, then right foot, then right hand etc. to make Pharoah suffer and release the Israelites. No he makes innocent people lose their first born etc.

One thing is for sure, all infants and young children are too young to be accountable to God for anything, therefore, they all infants and young children who die prematurely, are in heaven right now with the Lord for eternity. They will never suffer anything ever again.

Witchcraft is not of Satan.

Nothing is of "satan"

And anyway - according to the Bible - God created Satan. So Satan is of God.

I am just going against the ungodly practice of witchcraft itself. I personally have a few friends that are into that. I don't look at them as any less of a person because of it. But the practice of witchcraft is wicked and meaqnt to lure people away from the Lord.
Apart from the few mentions in the Bible about something that was translated as Witchcraft, as much to satisfy James I as anything else, what reasons can you give for witchcraft being 'ungodly'. Computers, which you evidently have no problem with, are not recommended in the Bible and often turn people awya from everything, is their use an ungodly practice? Are all non-Christian religions wicked?



that was done through the power of God. Witchcraft is done through the pwoer of Satan.
How can you tell whether, say, healing was done by the power of God or Satan if the result was the same? How can evil produce good? My answer would be that evil and good do not exist so the question is meaningless, but what is your answer?
The thing is, we have the Christian God apparently being capable of producing rather unpleasant acts and we are expected to believe it is God punishing sin or God moving in mysterious ways. We have the Christian Satan producing good acts and we are expected to believe he is being devious and deceitful. This must raise the question - who are mere humans to know the mind of God? It also looks, to me, the the evidence suggests that God and Satan are pretty similar in their actions, perhaps with a slightly different bias but esentially the same - you would have the same lists of achievements for both of them, just different numbers of ticks on each line. Which suggest to me that they do not exist in the way Christians would have us believe, but are different aspects of the same thing. This was the realisation, decades ago, that led me from Christianity and, eventually, to where I am now.


Many of satan's counterfeits are seemiongly harmless and innocent.
This sounds very similar to the hallucinating schizophrenic who sees monsters where none are. It woudl be laughable if not so sad that the devout Christian must imagine enemies where none are apparent. Just imagine, if that was turned into political orthodoxy . . . but, it . . . AAGGHH!!