While sitting at a table the other day, I couldn't help but overhear a conversation that was being held by a small group of seemingly intelligent African American women. They were all discussing how Bill Cosby's wife "Camille" gave a speech receintly stating that there is a strong possibility that they will soon have their voting rights taken away. I didn't catch everything they were saying, but they did state that back in the 60's, President Kennedy signed some sort of bill that gave Blacks the right to vote nationwide. This was only a bill that was never officially signed into law. President kennedy was assasinated before he had a chance to sign it.

Anyway, the government agreed to pass this bill on for 25 years to see if it should be kept or not. The last time it came across the presidents desk, President Ronald Reagan was in office. He decided to pass it on for another 25 years and let whoever was in office deal with it at that time. The next 25 year time period will expire in the year 2007. President Bush will still be in office, and over 90% of the African American Vote went against him in both elections. He was supposedly asked by his congressional advisors "How would you rate your relations with the NAACP?." Bushes response was "As far as I'm concerned, those relations are NON EXISTANT"

Here is a reference I managed to dig up: http://www.justabovesunset.com/id249.html


In other words, he just flat out said that African America and the NAACP can kiss his lilly white a$$ :(


I don't know all the facts involving this, but for anyone out there that does, do you think that after the governments success in taking Affirmative Action away, Bush is actually going to take these guys voting right away from them too?


If so...what can the rest of us expect from this?

I might be wrong here, but I was under the impression that African Americans got the right to vote long before Kennedy was President. I seem to remember that black men got the right to vote before white women, which would be sometime prior to 1920.

While doing a little more reaserch on this, here is something else I managed to dig up!

http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/blackvote.html

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa120298.htm

The kernel of truth in the above is that the Voting Rights Act of 1965 is indeed set to expire unless it is renewed by Congress before 2007. The rest is false. The basic right of all Americans to vote, regardless of race, is guaranteed in the Bill of Rights and can't expire with the Voting Rights Act.

The NAACP addressed this issue in a statement published in the November 19, 1998 issue of the Internet Tourbus:

African American voting rights were granted by the Fifteenth Amendment, which was passed immediately after the Civil War. Expiration of the Voting Rights Act will not terminate the rights granted under the Fifteenth Amendment.

Uh...hello...it seems that Just Me is the only one who has read the Constitution. The Fifteenth Amendment, passed in 1870, guarantees that race is no bar to vote. (But Just Me has one thing wrong: The Fifteenth Amendment is not part of the Bill of Rights. That is Amendments 1 through 10 only.)

And DarkFantasy wins a cookie...blacks were granted suffrage fifty years before women were. Dunkirk, you honestly need to stop buying into stupid chain letters and start at least checking the Constitution.

www.usconstitution.net/const.html

One of those news magazine shows several years ago brought together a panel of highly educated African-Americans and talked to them about several urban legends. Most of them swore up and down that they were true even though they were completely ridiculous. One was that Snapple had a picture of slave trading ships on the label (it was a picture of the Boston Tea Party - now removed because of the rumor). Another was that white people put something in the chicken at Popeye's (or one of the other chains, can't remember which one) that made black men sterile. All sorts of stuff like that. It was amazing.

Then again, some goofy cousin of mine (by marriage) is forwarding an email claiming that Target is owned by the French and that it only supports gay and lesbian chartible organizations.

i grew up in a suburb, before it was popular ( in the sixties), and whites thought that we grew tails at midnight, if you rub our head you'd have good luck ( hey its my head, and i havent had any luck ) lmao, and that our blood was blue.........so whats more stupid.......by the way, mine was the ONLY black family there, and the things i mentioned, came right out of the horses mouth......by the way, my brother was murdered out there in 1985,( when whites were busy telling me that racism was over ( a racism that they would never admit, existed), the people knew who did it, and refuse to investigate........not everything that sounds stupid, and unlikely, is !, oh yeah, tell that to the black men that were secretly given syphillus.......just as an experiment.....some went blind, some died !.........but i digress

"Our first urban legend warns that the right of all African-Americans

to vote will expire in the year 2007. The message states that



The Voters Rights Act signed in 1965 by Lyndon B. Johnson was

just an ACT. It was not made a law. In 1982 Ronald Reagan

amended the Voters Rights Act for only another 25 years. Which

means that in the year 2007 [African-Americans] could lose the

right to vote! Like most urban legends, this message urges you, in all capital

letters, to "PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN!!!!"

What the message fails to tell you is that it is a COMPLETE AND UTTER

HOAX!

http://netsquirrel.com/combatkit/voting.html

I know very little about these issues, which is why I chose to come here for information from those that would know about these matters than myself.

For all that chose to answer I thank you.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Uh...hello...it seems that Just Me is the only one who has read the Constitution. The Fifteenth Amendment, passed in 1870, guarantees that race is no bar to vote. (But Just Me has one thing wrong: The Fifteenth Amendment is not part of the Bill of Rights. That is Amendments 1 through 10 only.)

And DarkFantasy wins a cookie...blacks were granted suffrage fifty years before women were. Dunkirk, you honestly need to stop buying into stupid chain letters and start at least checking the Constitution.

www.usconstitution.net/const.html

I obviously need to research this more, but my uncle (an "African American") says he remembers when Black people got the right to vote. He was fifteen and that was about 45 years ago. I am going to look this up, but if you (anybody) has a link I would appreciate it.

Originally posted by LionelHutz
One of those news magazine shows several years ago brought together a panel of highly educated African-Americans and talked to them about several urban legends. Most of them swore up and down that they were true even though they were completely ridiculous. One was that Snapple had a picture of slave trading ships on the label (it was a picture of the Boston Tea Party - now removed because of the rumor). Another was that white people put something in the chicken at Popeye's (or one of the other chains, can't remember which one) that made black men sterile. All sorts of stuff like that. It was amazing.

Then again, some goofy cousin of mine (by marriage) is forwarding an email claiming that Target is owned by the French and that it only supports gay and lesbian chartible organizations.

There was an election recently which revealed that 51% of white people believe anything GW Bush says.

What a hoot!

Originally posted by Ed Blank
I obviously need to research this more, but my uncle (an "African American") says he remembers when Black people got the right to vote. He was fifteen and that was about 45 years ago. I am going to look this up, but if you (anybody) has a link I would appreciate it.
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am15

Amendment XV - Race no bar to vote. Ratified 2/3/1870. History

1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Originally posted by korg
not everything that sounds stupid, and unlikely, is !, oh yeah, tell that to the black men that were secretly given syphillus.......just as an experiment.....some went blind, some died !.........but i digress
Source???

(And please, no propaganda...)

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Source???

(And please, no propaganda...)

Sadly enough that did happen Praetorian. I can even remember taking a class that went over this once :(

Here, read this http://www.med.virginia.edu/hs-library/historical/apology/report.html

Thank you, Dunkirk.

Originally posted by Ed Blank
There was an election recently which revealed that 51% of white people believe anything GW Bush says.

What a hoot!
I doubt very seriously that 51% of white people believe anything George W Bush says. Stop being a fucking racist, or I'll give you some arbitrary facts and figures of my own.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
I doubt very seriously that 51% of white people believe anything George W Bush says. Stop being a fucking racist, or I'll give you some arbitrary facts and figures of my own.

I was actuallly responding to the post that talked about educated Blacks believing wild rumors.

1) go tell that prick to stop being a "fucking racist"

2) Fuck you

You think Hutz was being a racist? Jesus, you really are a fool. He wasn't trying to directly correlate their intelligence to the fact that they believe wild rumors; he was just stating an observation. As for the fuck you statement, blow me, retard. If you want to consider yourself an intellectual, then in the future, proof read your posts, for your credibility would be drastically bolstered by spelling grammar school words correctly, moron.

Originally posted by Ed Blank
I was actuallly responding to the post that talked about educated Blacks believing wild rumors.

1) go tell that prick to stop being a "fucking racist"

2) Fuck you
You think Lionel is a racist? You, sir, are a moron.

"A Mormon? But I'm from Earth!"

Originally posted by The Praetorian
You think Hutz was being a racist? Jesus, you really are a fool. He wasn't trying to directly correlate their intelligence to the fact that they believe wild rumors; he was just stating an observation. As for the fuck you statement, blow me, retard. If you want to consider yourself an intellectual, then in the future, proof read your posts, for your credibility would be drastically bolstered by spelling grammar school words correctly, moron.

See my earlier post

And by the way all of you who are so vehemently (check to see if that was spelled right Mr Wizard) defending "Hutz":

His post had nothing to do with the topic at hand, it was a dig against Black intellectuals. Everybody in America is a racist. Racism is looking at people race-first.

(Everybody means EVERYBODY. "Minorities" and Europeans.)

Racism is different from Discrimination (which would be treating people differently because of said Racism). Just because someone is an apologist or a liberal, they probably still refer to people as "this Black guy" did such and such.

Well thanks for the unnecessary vocab pointer, there Chachi, however, and I still stand by my original post, you fail to make the simple connection between being an intellectual and being swayed by racial factors, in which, most, if not all, Blacks are. He didn't say that "your intellectuals" are too dumb to separate fact from fiction, he was just making an observation, and in having read many of his prior posts, I'm sure he didn't even mean for that to be inferred. Try relaxing, you hypersensitive asshole.

Originally posted by Ed Blank
His post had nothing to do with the topic at hand, it was a dig against Black intellectuals. Everybody in America is a racist. Racism is looking at people race-first.

Everyone likes me. :)

I was responding to why silly rumors like this seem to persist. And I followed it up with a comment about similarly silly behavior by a white cousin.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Well thanks for the unnecessary vocab pointer, there Chachi, however, and I still stand by my original post, you fail to make the simple connection between being an intellectual and being swayed by racial factors, in which, most, if not all, Blacks are. He didn't say that "your intellectuals" are too dumb to separate fact from fiction, he was just making an observation, and in having read many of his prior posts, I'm sure he didn't even mean for that to be inferred. Try relaxing, you hypersensitive asshole.

LA LA LA LA LA *with fingers in ears*

Originally posted by The Praetorian
I still stand by my original post, you fail to make the simple connection between being an intellectual and being swayed by racial factors, in which, most, if not all, Blacks are

I seriously doubt you know enough blacks intimatly enough to make that statement. Please back up your comment with the proof or statistics that show that "most if not all" blacks think that way. Basically you are saying that you know how 3,576,960 people think. Going by the 2003 census of 290,809,777 being our total population.

2003 U.S. population statistics:
75.1 - white
12.3 - black
12.5 - hispanic
3.6 - asian.

QuickFacts US Census Bureau

Population, 2003 estimate 290,809,777

Population, percent change, April 1, 2000 to July 1, 2003 3.3%

Population, 2000 281,421,906

Population, percent change, 1990 to 2000 13.1%

Persons under 5 years old, percent, 2000 6.8%

Persons under 18 years old, percent, 2000 25.7%

Persons 65 years old and over, percent, 2000 12.4%

Female persons, percent, 2000 50.9%


White persons, percent, 2000 (a) 75.1%

Black or African American persons, percent, 2000 (a) 12.3%

American Indian and Alaska Native persons, percent, 2000 (a) 0.9%

Asian persons, percent, 2000 (a) 3.6%

Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander, percent, 2000 (a) 0.1%

Persons reporting some other race, percent, 2000 (a) 5.5%

Persons reporting two or more races, percent, 2000 2.4%

Persons of Hispanic or Latino origin, percent, 2000 (b) 12.5%

White persons, not of Hispanic/Latino origin, percent, 2000 69.1%


Living in same house in 1995 and 2000', pct age 5+, 2000 54.1%

Foreign born persons, percent, 2000 11.1%

Language other than English spoken at home, pct age 5+, 2000 17.9%

High school graduates, percent of persons age 25+, 2000 80.4%

Bachelor's degree or higher, pct of persons age 25+, 2000 24.4%

Persons with a disability, age 5+, 2000 49,746,248

Mean travel time to work (minutes), workers age 16+, 2000 25.5


Housing units, 2002 119,302,132

Homeownership rate, 2000 66.2%

Housing units in multi-unit structures, percent, 2000 26.4%

Median value of owner-occupied housing units, 2000 $119,600


Households, 2000 105,480,101

Persons per household, 2000 2.59

Median household income, 1999 $41,994

Per capita money income, 1999 $21,587

Persons below poverty, percent, 1999 12.4%

And what the hell do population stats have to do with the assertion I made? NOTHING. I never claimed to know an entire group of people, and that wasn't the point my statement anyway. I think it's a pretty safe assumption to say that the average Black person has, in some way, been affected by racial factors. This is NOT a racist comment, nor was it designed to get anyone’s dander up. Assuming what I did was akin to making a safe bet, that's all...

prae, i find it funny that you would need proof of that when shit like this was a daily occurance. ....funny thing is you didnt question dunkirks response.........and he's white. but i knew YOU would question me !....like you would say "HERE'S YOUR FUCKIN RIGHT TO VOTE !

Originally posted by korg
prae, i find it funny that you would need proof of that when shit like this was a daily occurance. ....funny thing is you didnt question dunkirks response.........and he's white. but i knew YOU would question me !....like you would say "HERE'S YOUR FUCKIN RIGHT TO VOTE !
First of all I didn't know Dunkirk was white, and while making that assumption conveniently fits your agenda for trying to pit me as a racist, it offers no credible refutation to the original point I made. And by the way, why would I question his response; he's the one who gave me an answer to the question I posed to you, or did you conveniently miss that fact? You know, Korg, just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber...

BTW, nice pic...it makes a resounding point when dealing with black people continuing to fear "the man" putting shit in Popeye's chicken to make them sterile. :rolleyes:

heyyyyyyyy, thats the prae i know ! every now and then, i like to boil some blood. you , travh, and myself are the easiest. we like a good fight. happy new year prae. we just have to kick it off right.......now tell me, dont you miss the good ole arguments sometimes !? ......and, by the way, of course you knew that dunkirk was white, just as much as i know you're white. but it doesnt make a difference, does it ? when i give you the answer you like, we're cool, but when you dont like my answer.....i'm back to being a dummy......see how the right truth brings us back to reality.......prae dog...:D

Originally posted by The Praetorian
First of all I didn't know Dunkirk was white, and while making that assumption conveniently fits your agenda for trying to pit me as a racist, it offers no credible refutation to the original point I made. And by the way, why would I question his response; he's the one who gave me an answer to the question I posed to you, or did you conveniently miss that fact? You know, Korg, just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber...

BTW, nice pic...it makes a resounding point when dealing with black people continuing to fear "the man" putting shit in Popeye's chicken to make them sterile. :rolleyes:

What are we talking about here?

How did we get on "Black people" (as if all of us believe this one thing) fearing Popeye's chicken.

Good thing they aren't trying to take away our voting privilege.

Originally posted by korg
heyyyyyyyy, thats the prae i know ! every now and then, i like to boil some blood. you , travh, and myself are the easiest. we like a good fight. happy new year prae. we just have to kick it off right.......now tell me, dont you miss the good ole arguments sometimes !? ......and, by the way, of course you knew that dunkirk was white, just as much as i know you're white. but it doesnt make a difference, does it ? when i give you the answer you like, we're cool, but when you dont like my answer.....i'm back to being a dummy......see how the right truth brings us back to reality.......prae dog...:D

Happy New Year back at ya, K dog. :D

Btw, I assumed he was white, but then again, I also assumed Ed Blank was as well. Oh, and don't call my people "white" anymore, from now on we're European-Americans. LOL.

lmao.....!!

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Happy New Year back at ya, K dog. :D

Btw, I assumed he was white, but then again, I also assumed Ed Blank was as well. Oh, and don't call my people "white" anymore, from now on we're European-Americans. LOL.

"White" people are simply European (without the "-American")

American Blacks use "African-American" because we are not strictly Afirican (we are parts European and Native American) but we like to pay homage to our African roots.

Whoa, the Man is poisoning the Popeyes chicken??? Agh hopefully since Im white Im ok LOL! :p

Some whites were inhumanly cruel to black people in the past. There is no denying it. But you black people need to try to start living in the today. Not bringing up shit from 50-100's of years ago to fit whatever purpose you want it to.

You post pics about white groups lynching blacks. How bout posting a pic showing that group of blacks lynching reginald denny? Or maybe follow Reginald Denny's example and get the fuck over it. I mean, none of you living today has been lynched. So quit fucking crying.

Originally posted by Ed Blank
"White" people are simply European (without the "-American")
This is my whole point...
Whites living in this country aren't European, we're American. We don't feel the need to hyphenate anything, and that's what pisses me off about the black populous here. Why is paying "homage" to your African heritage so important? I'd bet that the typical African-American living here knows as much about "the homeland" as I do about England or Germany. Do I feel it necessary to hyphenate my roots in order to accentuate them? Hell no, I'm proud to be an American, and just an American. The current notion of hyphenation in nomenclature is totally ridiculous when the person in question NEVER lived in the other country. If you have a black person from Africa living here, then, and only then, are they African-American.

first of all, havok, i posted that pic for a reason, we were talking about shit, and i made a point. as you can see, it was a one time deal........so, let your nuts go man. prae, you may come off a little harsh with the way you made your point.........but your point is correct. black people seem to have an identity crisis ( not me, because i know who i am ). it drives me crazy because, to me, being educated and successful at whatever you do, should be enough. there are also, blacks who wont quit until they are excepted ( in their way ) by whites.......thats not me, you either like me or you dont......black or white ! lmao. ........besides AFRICANS dont care for the blacks in this country because to them, we squandered a great opportunity, im sure they resent the "AFRICAN AMERICAN" title. they come here, they go to college. a lot of the "black" people you see in college, are not even americans, they are africans.........thats my take

That's totally true Korg...Good point.

You are no American. The actual Americans have been almost wiped out by Europeans.

Black Americans cannot righfully be called Africans because we are of a mixed racial heritage. I personally prefer "Black" but I am fine with those who choose the polysyllabic moniker.

As for the whole "get the fuck over slavery" speech:

The wealth that Europeans enjoy in America was generated by their forefathers through genocide and chatel slavery. You are inheriting and passing down the wealth I speak of right now. Meanwhile the descendants of the people who are, to a large degree, responsible for the wealth of this country wallow in poverty.

We are trying to build but it has only been one generation that we have been fully considered citizens (at least legally).

We can't just "get the fuck over it".

Ed, I was born in America. I am, by any reasonable definition of the word, a native American. I am not European -- I have never even been to Europe.

Originally posted by Ed Blank
We can't just "get the fuck over it".
Then how about this: deal with it and stop your bitching. Teach your kids how to read, write, and speak properly. Educate and love them, and I'd guarantee that the future generations probably wouldn't play the "chatel slavery" card as much as they do now. The solution is in your hands, not ours.

once again, harsh..........but true, we need to get over it, because i dont want my kids using ANY excuse. i tell them that if they get educated, they could have a good life, and it would start a trend of education in a family. as you notice, black and white, poverty , 9 times out of ten, breeds poverty ,........i will teach my daughters that the world does not want to hear your excuses. when we overcome it, we can look back, and see how we were, and how we are now.........maybe get a laugh, and a cry.........just my 2 cents

And a good two cents it was. Korg, I hear what you're saying, and I completely agree with you. I don't mean to sound harsh, however, I was trying to be honest, and there's really no decent way to sugarcoat reality. You're also right about poverty breeding poverty, which is an issue that, as I see it, can only be rectified by the universal drive to overcome that station in life. This is something the Black people are going to have to do for themselves. You know, when I was in college, I roomed with a ton of bleeding-hearts and they used to say things like, rich republicans don't give two shits about minorities, and I got around to thinking about just how ridiculous that assertion was when I realized that it's really quite the contrary. Republicans (at least the ones who are pure in heart) believe that everyone in America should strive to make it a better, wealthier place, and in order to achieve that, you need everyone contributing. Republicans seem cold when they want to put the kibosh on the very social programs that many blacks depend on, but business reality stipulates that no one should be taken care of by our government. Republicans favor a sense of independence, and hard work, not slacking. Democrats typically believe that you are in the situation you're in because of a combination of socioeconomic factors that you simply can't overcome. I say that very notion is racist to the core, and detrimental to future growth. Future generations need to pick up where their fathers and forefathers left off. Our nation was built on the freedom of individuals to choose work over pleasure, and form small businesses that grew into the mega corporate status that people such as Freethinker take for granted because they work to secure a financial future. Everyone should be doing this...

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Democrats typically believe that you are in the situation you're in because of a combination of socioeconomic factors that you simply can't overcome. I say that very notion is racist to the core, and detrimental to future growth. Future generations need to pick up where their fathers and forefathers left off. Our nation was built on the freedom of individuals to choose work over pleasure, and form small businesses that grew into the mega corporate status that people such as Freethinker take for granted because they work to secure a financial future. Everyone should be doing this...

I agree with you for the most part, except not all democrates believe in welfare for the poor. I have no problem with helping the old or sick or disabled. I have a huge problem with paying people to live just because they are are unwilling to work or paying more money for each subsequent child. To qualify for state help one should have to be sterilized and then they should have to do some sort of volunteer work to earn their check. Like cleaning up highways or packing supplies for a charity or mowing the grass at parks.

When a child grows up in an atmosphere of knowing that mom and dad don't have to work for a living they become ingrained in the idea that the state owes them.

I also have to say that your statements about blacks teaching their kids and just "getting over it" is right on. It sounds harsh but the reality is that you can let something effect your entire life or you can CHOOSE not to let it effect your life. I have never heard a disabled person use their disability as an excuse for not getting ahead.

Blacks could teach their children proper English and the value of an education. Those two simple things would do more to advance their cause than any state run program or equal rights law.

Both whites and blacks need to stamp out racism at its core and not ingrain it in their children.

Originally posted by Echo2
Blacks could teach their children proper English and the value of an education. Those two simple things would do more to advance their cause than any state run program or equal rights law.
Absolutely Echo. Great statement...

While I agree, to an extent, there is an inherent flaw in that argument. One who has not had a proper education doesn't understand what good it can do, how important it is, and the reason of why. Those who have had a poor education have the tendency to have children and don't teach them the importance of it because they don't understand it. The idea of the American dream is dead. The average poor person, hell, person period, thinks that big important jobs, lots of cash are for those who've had it in the family. That it's for those white men who are 40, 50 years old. The education system is currently inherently flawed. Those of a higher intelligence tend to assume that all can think at that same level, those without an education don't, and never will understand the importance of it and can't teach it to their children. Simply put, it's an endless cycle for the majority if the minority don't do something.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
And a good two cents it was. Korg, I hear what you're saying, and I completely agree with you. I don't mean to sound harsh, however, I was trying to be honest, and there's really no decent way to sugarcoat reality. You're also right about poverty breeding poverty, which is an issue that, as I see it, can only be rectified by the universal drive to overcome that station in life. This is something the Black people are going to have to do for themselves. You know, when I was in college, I roomed with a ton of bleeding-hearts and they used to say things like, rich republicans don't give two shits about minorities, and I got around to thinking about just how ridiculous that assertion was when I realized that it's really quite the contrary. Republicans (at least the ones who are pure in heart) believe that everyone in America should strive to make it a better, wealthier place, and in order to achieve that, you need everyone contributing. Republicans seem cold when they want to put the kibosh on the very social programs that many blacks depend on, but business reality stipulates that no one should be taken care of by our government. Republicans favor a sense of independence, and hard work, not slacking. Democrats typically believe that you are in the situation you're in because of a combination of socioeconomic factors that you simply can't overcome. I say that very notion is racist to the core, and detrimental to future growth. Future generations need to pick up where their fathers and forefathers left off. Our nation was built on the freedom of individuals to choose work over pleasure, and form small businesses that grew into the mega corporate status that people such as Freethinker take for granted because they work to secure a financial future. Everyone should be doing this... you are right prae. i always believed that some of these programs KEEP you dependant for life ! believe me, my children will be contributers.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Then how about this: deal with it and stop your bitching. Teach your kids how to read, write, and speak properly. Educate and love them, and I'd guarantee that the future generations probably wouldn't play the "chatel slavery" card as much as they do now. The solution is in your hands, not ours.

The solution is not in your hands but the blood money certainly is. How convenient.

You know, Ed, you're the type of person who sees an obstacle in your path as an absolute barrier, and psychologically, I think it makes you feel better to be more pissed off over the fact that it's there then just choosing to walk around it. Just deal with the cards your dealt, and move on. Stop making excuses, because quite frankly...no one wants to hear 'em anymore. We're tired of 'em...

Originally posted by Ed Blank




The wealth that Europeans enjoy in America was generated by their forefathers through genocide and chatel slavery. You are inheriting and passing down the wealth I speak of right now. Meanwhile the descendants of the people who are, to a large degree, responsible for the wealth of this country wallow in poverty.

There are a lot of blacks in America that are either wealthy or middle classed. There is opertunity for everyone. You just have to be willing to make the effort and believe that you can make in life.



We can't just "get the fuck over it".

You cant just keep on living in the past either.

Originally posted by the J Man
There are a lot of blacks in America that are either wealthy or middle classed. There is opertunity for everyone. You just have to be willing to make the effort and believe that you can make it in life.




You cant just keep on living in the past either.

hey ed, just teach your kids to overcome the obstacles, or the very people you blame, will win. dont let that part defeat you, and screw what people have done, we can change that now, starting with our children. but you HAVE to admit, we fucked up a lot without the help of "white people". doing a radio show, i found that a lot of blacks are tired of what we are doing TO OURSELVES. so we cant let what society has done, make us worst

Originally posted by korg
we fucked up a lot without the help of "white people". doing a radio show, i found that a lot of blacks are tired of what we are doing TO OURSELVES. so we cant let what society has done, make us worst [/B]

Besides, that is what racist people want. To see you screw your lives up on your own. They don't want blacks to amount to anything. Blacks don't have to let that happen to them and can overcome that and be successful in life. If someone ever talls you "you can't make it in life and that you'll never amount to anything," that is nothing but a pure lie.

abso-damn-lutely !!

Originally posted by Echo2
When a child grows up in an atmosphere of knowing that mom and dad don't have to work for a living they become ingrained in the idea that the state owes them.

Good point, and a good reason to stop the culture of entitlement that exists.

Unfortunately, in the case of black people, the inherant racism of white America against them prevents black people from having a level playing field in the search for economic advancement.

The same sort of redneck personality that has (not without some justification) the outlook --"hey, you Negroes get off welfare and start helping to pull the wagon instead of riding in it!"-- is the same type of person that does NOT grant blacks the same basic respect given other people as human beings.

Originally posted by Echo2
I have no problem with helping the old or sick or disabled. I have a huge problem with paying people to live just because they are are unwilling to work or paying more money for each subsequent child.

I agree.

Originally posted by Echo2
To qualify for state help one should have to be sterilized and then they should have to do some sort of volunteer work to earn their check.

Good idea.

But then you'd come into conflcit with the dominant religious faction, who want every little zygote to develop and be brought into the world to make another sunbeam fer Jeezus.

Originally posted by Echo2

Blacks could teach their children proper English and the value of an education. Those two simple things would do more to advance their cause than any state run program or equal rights law.

Bravo! I could not agree more.