Hello there! :D

Well, as most of you might already know, the Quran is the Muslim's holy book.

It contains everything (yes, EVERYTHING). You can find something about any topic that comes to your mind there.

Is that true? Well..Muslims believe that the Quran is an eternal miracle.


Hmm, let's prove it then!

Choose a topic, seriously, ANYTHING that comes to your mind :) and I'll try and find something about it in the Quran.

Who wants to go first?

A young adult suffering from extreme avoidant personalty disorder created by the splitting of his parents when he was only 4 years old. Through a self destructive nature he keeps himself within a barrier of deflated self belief, unable to attain the almost obsessive desire to be perfect to the one women whom he needed the most, his mother. But at the same time hating her every second she breathed another breath,

If thats in there, then i officially bow to your religion.

InnocentSweety - that's a great idea. I will have to think of a question to post.

Actually I have a much greater respect for this religious approach - than it seems the common Christian approach is "The Bible says you are going to go to hell unless you believe yada yada" - The Bible certainly has got a wealth of good things in it too - shame it often gets lost behind all the fire and brimstone due to poor salesmanship.

Given the record of the Muslim's view towards women and those who decide to reject it after being a Muslim I think I will leave Islam where it belongs-out of my life!

Originally posted by Lokideviluk
A young adult suffering from extreme avoidant personalty disorder created by the splitting of his parents when he was only 4 years old. Through a self destructive nature he keeps himself within a barrier of deflated self belief, unable to attain the almost obsessive desire to be perfect to the one women whom he needed the most, his mother. But at the same time hating her every second she breathed another breath,

If thats in there, then i officially bow to your religion.

Please tell me exactly what you want me to get you from the Quran you're speaking of more than one topic here. Do you want verses on divorce? Or on child-care? Or what, exactly?

Originally posted by DrewM
InnocentSweety - that's a great idea. I will have to think of a question to post.

Actually I have a much greater respect for this religious approach - than it seems the common Christian approach is "The Bible says you are going to go to hell unless you believe yada yada" - The Bible certainly has got a wealth of good things in it too - shame it often gets lost behind all the fire and brimstone due to poor salesmanship.

Think of anything, be it science, aliens, cloning, or Muslim's reactions towards other religions.
I'll post the verse here ;) InshaAllah

It is a better religious approach :) I agree

Originally posted by Elwood
Given the record of the Muslim's view towards women and those who decide to reject it after being a Muslim I think I will leave Islam where it belongs-out of my life!

Well, I guess that it's your desicion then.
Though it amuses me to see you, someone who is so keen on women given equality and respect, push this equality away..? Seems to me like you like the idea of enslaving them..?

I heard that Muslims are required to shave their pubic hair and that Mohammed naturally did not have pubic hair. Is this true?

And if so, what is the significance of this?

(I apologize in advance if this is sacriligious or inappropriate, but I honestly have heard this and I'm curious to know the answer)

Originally posted by UnCoolDuck
I heard that Muslims are required to shave their pubic hair and that Mohammed naturally did not have pubic hair. Is this true?

And if so, what is the significance of this?

(I apologize in advance if this is sacriligious or inappropriate, but I honestly have heard this and I'm curious to know the answer)

This is :@@: the first time I hear of this.

Wait, I think I can get something for you, let me ask around.
(as far as i know, it is best for a woman to shave off her armpit hair and pubic hair, that makes her cleaner)
^ I wouldn't rely on that though, let me get something from a reliable source.

In my youth, I dated a girl whose dad wouldn't allow her to shave her legs or armpits. Kids at school would tease her something awful. She would cry in my arms; Crying tears not because of the awful insults but because her dad wouldn't let her shave. She was a straight "A" student but people looked down on her because of her hillbilly ways.

That hair didn't stop me, in fact after dating her for years I found the shaved woman to be repulsive. For many years I wished I had of married that redheaded girl.

old reb

In the last years I hear that women shaving the pubic hair is the in thing.
Seems to me that a man that would like this has a closet child fetish.
I think a woman should look like a woman. Not a little girl.
Although, I understand the leg and under arm shaving for looks in public.

Innocent, is Allah male or female?

Okay, I asked around about the shaving issue and this is what I found out:
About Prophet Muhammad - Peace and Prayers Be Upon Him - I can tell you that he had no shadow, that his blood was pure, and that his urine as well was pure and clean. About his pubic hair though, this is the first time I hear of it and I could not find any information regarding it.
About women and men, yes, shaving pubic hair is a sunna and it is best to do so because doing that keeps parasites and other similar things away from that area.

old-reb and Dan Fussell
Well I guess that's your personal opinion about shaving. Though in Islam it is not a must, it is just better to do so.

Dan Fussell
Allah is neither male nor female, He is an eternal light. He is immortal.

Okay, I thank you for that answer. The reason that I ask is that I had heard that there was a man at a muslim school that was ostracized for questioning whether or not Mohammed had pubic hair. From the way it was presented, I got the impression that everyone thought that he did not.

I heard another story that muslim women did not like going to a gym where western women worked out because they did not shave their pubic hair and were considered dirty.

I'm sorry I can't more accurately source this, but it was on a radio program, possibly NPR.

Other sources seem to agree with what you said, such as: http://www.understanding-islam.com/related/text.asp?type=question&qid=792#_ftn1

Originally posted by UnCoolDuck
The reason that I ask is that I had heard that there was a man at a muslim school that was ostracized for questioning whether or not Mohammed had pubic hair.

It's actually a sin :@@: to drive away someone who interrogates about his/her religion.

Originally posted by UnCoolDuck
I heard another story that muslim women did not like going to a gym where western women worked out because they did not shave their pubic hair and were considered dirty.

Um.. what?!
I regularly go to gym's (all-women, of course) and I meet women from many different nationalities there. Not once has this happened..?
And anyway, people who go on about non-muslims not being clean are just too much. Islam says not to focus too much on religion, following what it says is enough, you shouldn't make up stuff on your own.

Hey, don't blame me for this. I'm just telling you what I heard on the radio.

I didn't blame you for anything

I don't think I would submit to any religion or government controlling my personal life to the point of telling me to shave pubic hair. But, then I don't belong to the religion of submission.

Well

I will not submit to any religion!

Originally posted by Dan Fussell
In the last years I hear that women shaving the pubic hair is the in thing.
Seems to me that a man that would like this has a closet child fetish.
I think a woman should look like a woman. Not a little girl.
Although, I understand the leg and under arm shaving for looks in public.



ITA!

Hello Innocent,

Would you explain me what Koran 4:89 means?

old-reb no one is controlling you to the point of forcing you to shave your hair! That is your desicion. It's just that in Islam, it is better to do so, if you want to. Makes you cleaner, it's harder for germs to gather around these areas.

As for the 4:89 let me get back at you on that, I'll go get the Quran and read it and see.

How about the use of science to show the hand of God?

Dammit.

old-reb

"They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of God (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-" (4:89)
(Al Nisa, verse 4)

To explain this verse thoroughly, I have to explain from the 85th to the 91st verse as they are related to each other:

"Whoever recommends and helps a good cause becomes a partner therein: And whoever recommends and helps an evil cause, shares in its burden: And God hath power over all things." (4:85)

"When a (courteous) greeting is offered you, meet it with a greeting still more courteous, or (at least) of equal courtesy. God takes careful account of all things." (4:86)

[i]"God! There is no god but He: of a surety He will gather you together against the Day of Judgment, about which there is no doubt. And whose word can be truer than God's?" (4:87)

"Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? God hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom God hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom God hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way." (4:88)

"They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of God (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-" (4:89)

"Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If God had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then God Hath opened no way for you (to war against them)." (4:90)

"Others you will find that wish to gain your confidence as well as that of their people: Every time they are sent back to temptation, they succumb thereto: if they withdraw not from you nor give you (guarantees) of peace besides restraining their hands, seize them and slay them wherever ye get them: In their case We have provided you with a clear argument against them." (4:91)

I got you the explanation from a book with an author known for his credibility, I translated it for you:
(this explanation is for 4:89 only)
Some people want you to reject the rightful faith (Islam) as much as they do, and get you to their level. Do not befriend those who want you to reject your faith until they emigrate for God's sake (become Muslims). However, if they turn renegades (reject the religion after being a Muslim) then you must seize and kill them wherever you may find them, and take no friends of helpers from their ranks (people like them).

^ don't take the explanation of this verse alone, keep in mind the verses before and after.

Darth Be'lal

Science..you're talking about half of the Quran here, anyway:

"And whomsoever it is Allah's will to guide, He expandeth his bosom unto the Surrender, and whomsoever it is His Will to send astray, He maketh his bosom close and narrow as if he were engaged in sheer ascent. Thus Allah layeth ignominy upon those who believe not."
(6:125)

"Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe?"
(21:30)

Originally posted by old-reb
In my youth, I dated a girl whose dad wouldn't allow her to shave her legs or armpits. Kids at school would tease her something awful. She would cry in my arms; Crying tears not because of the awful insults but because her dad wouldn't let her shave. She was a straight "A" student but people looked down on her because of her hillbilly ways.

That hair didn't stop me, in fact after dating her for years I found the shaved woman to be repulsive. For many years I wished I had of married that redheaded girl.
old reb

My not have as dense a forest w/a redhead.
Depending how think the hair is, alot of redheaded girls grow up w/blonde hair on the legs .
Compared to a dark haired wench where the bush is so thick you need a weedeater to get to the picnic.

I grew up in rural Virginia
(try not to blame Va for my perverted analogy above)
w/a population of German Baptist aka Dunkerds and those girls/women did not shave. They wore long plain dresses and hair up under a bonnet
(small white mesh).
We went to the same schools but I was never aware of any ridicule.

re/Dan Fussell
"I think a woman should look like a woman. Not a little girl.."

This can also be about being clean like sweety pointed out. Maybe a personal preference as well because hair holds onto odors and can be home for critters.

Originally posted by jim's op/ed


This can also be about being clean like sweety pointed out. Maybe a personal preference as well because hair holds onto odors and can be home for critters.

The only shaved bush woman I ever had gave me the crabs for the only time I ever had the crabs. Nothing could get rid of them but a nice long swim in the ocean. I guess they all drowned. One of my shipmates came down with the crabs at about the sametime, by comparing notes we concluded we got them from the same woman, she liked sailors.

The reason my redhead was made fun of for arm and leg hair was because she was a Mississippi import living in Southern California. She looked like a hick and talked like a hick and she was way too smart.

old reb

Originally posted by Innocent Sweety
old-reb



I got you the explanation from a book with an author known for his credibility, I translated it for you:
(this explanation is for 4:89 only)
[i]Some people want you to reject the rightful faith (Islam) as much as they do, and get you to their level. Do not befriend those who want you to reject your faith until they emigrate for God's sake (become Muslims). However, if they turn renegades (reject the religion after being a Muslim) then you must seize and kill them wherever you may find them, and take no friends of helpers from their ranks (people like them).

^ don't take the explanation of this verse alone, keep in mind the verses before and after.

Hello sweety,

It looks like it would be bad for your health if you wanted to turn in your faith and become a non-believer.

Is the koran an information book or something that should and must be followed? Do you have Hadiths?

Thanks for the info.

The Quran is God's word, all the words in it are His. It is a book where He speaks to His believers, commanding them to do and not to do things. It's not a manual, for in the book, He speaks of many things. It contains stories of previous Prophets; unknowable universe things; descriptions of heaven and hell...etc... It's almost everything basically.
Yes, we do have Hadith's. A Hadith is Prophet Mohammed's - Peace and Prayers Be Upon Him - words. Before making any fatwa, the above two have to be researched to see if there's anything regarding the fatwa subject, and then the fatwa is made. (this is the way it should be done)

I notice that most of you are in particular opposition towards the idea of killing a renegade (a person who rejects Islam after becoming a Muslim).
Well, here's why:

Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And God heareth and knoweth all things. (2:256)

No one is forced into Islam, Allah ordered us not to force any human being against his or her own will, therefore, if he or she does choose to convert then it is by his or her own will.
Since he or she entered this religion in peace and is convinced that it is the right one, then there should be a penalty if he or she is to leave because he/she denied it after becoming a Muslim, and this penalty should be death... why?
Because if one enters Islam knowing that if he/she left then he/she will be killed, then that means that he/she has complete and absolute faith in it, otherwise this risk would not be taken.

1. To Filter
To only allow the good and true at heart to enter, and keep the bad out.

2. To Arouse Curiousity
When non-muslims see people entering Islam and never leaving it, then they will wonder why. They'll think to themselves: Why is this religion different?
This will therefore lead them to research about Islam.



I might be able to get more points... Though I hope that what I have said is sufficient. I tried to make it as informative as possible