Manning was just awarded the offensive player of the year award.....and is a sure favorite for the MVP. Anyone have any reasons why manning SHOULDNT be MVP? I sure as hell can't think of any.

I think he richly deserves the awards. I hope they get Dan Marino to present it to him.

that would be sweet, my friend!!

He had a great year.....despite being from UT, he's very deserving.

Hmmmmm......

It appears as though Peyton couldn't get it done again in the playoffs.
I don't think there's any doubt that he is not the best player in the league.

Originally posted by mikeydafish
Hmmmmm......

It appears as though Peyton couldn't get it done again in the playoffs.
I don't think there's any doubt that he is not the best player in the league.
But you can't just base whether or not he's the best player in the league off of one game. He has had a stellar season, above all the rest...just one bad game doesn't totally throw off his status.

I'm not sayin' he's not a good player...
Just not the best.
In my opinion if you want to be considered the "best", you have to win the big games.
However, I would gladly take him on the 49ers.

Originally posted by mikeydafish
I'm not sayin' he's not a good player...
Just not the best.
In my opinion if you want to be considered the "best", you have to win the big games.
Is it really his fault that his team has no defense?

Originally posted by mikeydafish
I'm not sayin' he's not a good player...
Just not the best.
In my opinion if you want to be considered the "best", you have to win the big games.
However, I would gladly take him on the 49ers.

if we went off your theory then Trent Dilfer would be a better quarterback then Dan Marino....lol

Let me put it to you this way......

A QB's job is to score points, end of story. The defense is what wins the game. If you didnt know, Indy had the 28th ranked Defense in the league this year....and still had a 12-4 record...why? because Manning put up points on the board, better than ANYONE in the NFL.

As a colts fan yea it hurts that we didnt show up to that game on sunday. This game pretty much is Manning and the offense's fault. Our D held its own for a long time, waiting for our offense to get into the endzone. Defense and Offense are connected, you know? If your Offense is clicking, it pumps up your D....if your Defense is forcing 3-and-outs, it pumps up your Offense. The Pats didnt get all the points until the game was over. It was obvious by the body language that the colts weren't up for the challenge that day.

To be considered the "best" I still say you have to win the big game...
The Quarterback also has to be able to manage the game well so that your defense is able to spend some time on the sidelines and rest. Especially with their lack of size (Freeney, etc...) on defense.
His job is to score points as you mentioned, however, 6 points in a playoff game will never get it done.
I thought their defense played hard considering the positions they were put in.

Originally posted by mikeydafish
His job is to score points as you mentioned, however, 6 points in a playoff game will never get it done.
It will if the final score is 6-0

Originally posted by mikeydafish
Hmmmmm......

It appears as though Peyton couldn't get it done again in the playoffs.
I don't think there's any doubt that he is not the best player in the league.

i still think he's one of the top qb's in the league. i just think he's got to get over his stage fright. he chokes when it comes down to the important ones.

Originally posted by jennygadling
i still think he's one of the top qb's in the league. i just think he's got to get over his stage fright. he chokes when it comes down to the important ones.
I don't think it was that. I think that the New England weather screwed with him. He's too spoiled, playing in a dome.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
I don't think it was that. I think that the New England weather screwed with him. He's too spoiled, playing in a dome.

that was a big factor, too. i think the outcome would've been more favorable had thev weather cooperated.

You really can't use weather as an excuse....
Especially with the way players switch teams every year. I think weather will become less of a factor as players continue to get moved around.
Peyton just looks like a different player against the Pats...
Maybe it's the logo or somethin'?

Originally posted by BorgHunter
I don't think it was that. I think that the New England weather screwed with him. He's too spoiled, playing in a dome.

Thats not very becoming of "the greatest player in the NFL."

He should be able to step it up under any conditions.

I agree...
I'll take Montana, Favre, Elway or Brady in a big game.

Vick!!!

I don't know that it was Manning that failed in these big games, though. If the receivers aren't getting off of the blocks and getting open, who's he going to throw to?

I think some of what i just read is total BS.....

You can justify taking Montana, elway, Favre....they've all been to the big dance and won, yadda yadda.....but brady??? Brady's success lies on the New England Defense. He was an average quarterback this year. A QB's job is to score points, and Manning does it better than Brady. Numbers dont mean everything, but they mean something. Brady's numbers this year were 28 TD's and 14 INTS....while Manning had 49 TD's and 10 INTS...its obvious who is the better QB....imagine if Manning had the New England Defense? or imagine if Brady was on indy and had to put up 35 points just to win? If Brady was on the colts....indy probably would've been 8-8 this year.

And hey i am extremely disappointed in the game that just went down. It was a big chance to break through and it didnt happen. Dont just write him off though, Manning will be back.

And why is it that i always hear manning being talked about as a choke artist? Isn't McNabb MORE of a choke artist? or how about Elway? Yea, he won two LATE in his career..but before that he was in playoffs every year and didnt do jack.

Know why he didnt diss on Vick....because he is actually winning.

haha

Sorry Decka.

Hey...
Brady's won two super bowls already and never lost a playoff game. I don't care for him much, but no one can say he doesn't win the big game.
As for Elway...
He's won more games on fourth quarter comebacks than most QB's win in their careers. I guess you make the arguement that if he were so good, they wouldn't be behind in the first place but whatever :)
It's also a QB's job to not turn the ball over, which seems to be Mannings problem.

Let's not forget that the Colts defense was rated almost dead last (if not, dead last) this year. Sure, it may be the defense that wins the games, but it's the offense that generally puts the points on the board. To me, everything in football relates to the quarterback in some way or another.

all's im saying is these "winning quarterbacks" win because they have great defenses behind them. They only have to put up 20 points and the team wins....meanwhile, Peytons gotta put of at least 30 to win.

Peyton scored TD's better than any other QB this year....so that would make him the best QB.

i still say greatness is measured by "wins" and not "stats"
just my opinion....

Originally posted by mikeydafish
i still say greatness is measured by "wins" and not "stats"
just my opinion....

but do you understand that winning is easier on some QB's then others because of good defense or a lack thereof? The way you put it just ignores so many aspects.

Brady proved himself a great QB in the conference championship in my opinion. Rather or not he is as all around talented as Manning is another matter. I tthink if they get the super bowl, he is a sure fire shot for Camden.