There is a rush amongst the Republicans in Congress to pass a Constitutional Amendment before 2008 so Arnold can run for President. Exploratory committees are already set up for a possible Schwarzeneegar run for the White House, as well as for McCain, Giuliani and Jeb.

As for Arnold, i think its a waste of time passing a Constitutional Amendment for this purpose. Besides, i am sure there are more important issues facing the Congress than poor Arnold.

NO!

No...but letting people from other countries run for President....well, I don't see what's so wrong with it.

I think any U.S. citizen, regardless of nationality, should be able to run for president. And Arnold has turned out surprisingly well in his political debut, and is somewhat moderate. I don't think he'll have had enough experience in '08 for me to really want to vote for him, though...maybe if he serves a term as Senator.

Just for Arnold? No. But in general I don't have a problem with it as long as the candidate is a citizen.

Any American that is willing to allow a foreign born person to become president is an idiot and their parents should have been given the day after pill.

Originally posted by HaVoK
Any American that is willing to allow a foreign born person to become president is an idiot and their parents should have been given the day after pill.
Gee, way to back up your arguments...:(

NO. The Constitution clearly spells out that only native born citizens are eligible to run for President. I think it's a good idea and not willing to change it for Arnold or anybody. Dammit!

Originally posted by HaVoK
Any American that is willing to allow a foreign born person to become president is an idiot and their parents should have been given the day after pill.
Wasn’t George Washington and all of our founding fathers not born in America?

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
NO. The Constitution clearly spells out that only native born citizens are eligible to run for President. I think it's a good idea and not willing to change it for Arnold or anybody. Dammit!
The clause was originally put in the Constitution because the Founders were afraid that, say, the King of England could run and maybe win, and thus take over the fledgling United States.

Originally posted by HaVoK
Any American that is willing to allow a foreign born person to become president is an idiot and their parents should have been given the day after pill.

huh? :rolleyes:

And why is that just out of interest ?

Originally posted by DrewM
huh? :rolleyes:

And why is that just out of interest ? With the invasion this country is currently being attacked with, common fucking sense tells you that this clause should not be changed. Within 10 years, we'll have Guadalupe Hernandez, 2 weeks from Mexico, running for President and winning. Use your heads people.

Originally posted by HaVoK
With the invasion this country is currently being attacked with, common fucking sense tells you that this clause should not be changed. Within 10 years, we'll have Guadalupe Hernandez, 2 weeks from Mexico, running for President and winning. Use your heads people.
You can't become a citizen in 2 weeks. It takes many years to even become eligible. Then you have to deal with the INS, the slowest agency known to man.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
You can't become a citizen in 2 weeks. It takes many years to even become eligible. Then you have to deal with the INS, the slowest agency known to man. When pres. Bush or the next pres. legalizes all the illegal aliens that are currently here, you can bet your ass it wont take that long. Rich people want the cheap work force, and the politicians want their votes.

Once precedent has been set for allowing illegals to become legal, there will be no such thing as an illegal. Less than 10 years.

Originally posted by HaVoK
With the invasion this country is currently being attacked with, common fucking sense tells you that this clause should not be changed. Within 10 years, we'll have Guadalupe Hernandez, 2 weeks from Mexico, running for President and winning. Use your heads people.
I fully agree, and by the way, the two weeks thing was an exaggeration Borg. He didn't literally mean "two weeks fresh", although, given the rate at which those parasites multiply, it wouldn't surprise me if it actually happened in ten years.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
I fully agree, and by the way, the two weeks thing was an exaggeration Borg. He didn't literally mean "two weeks fresh", Borg knew it was an exaggeration. That was just him being all technical and stuff. :D

Originally posted by HaVoK
Borg knew it was an exaggeration. That was just him being all technical and stuff. :D
Technical? Me?! Naw, I never do that...;)

Speaking of which, I just saw the movie Spanglish and although it was a clever, well-crafted picture, I have to say it disturbed me greatly. The concept of illegally coming here to live a better life pisses me off beyond any measure of thievery. It's nothing short of criminal, and should be treated as such, but political corruption staves off correcting the issue because of the almighty dollar. I understand good business, and would typically do anything to spur it, but not when it's illegal, and NOT when our own government is condoning the activity. That's disgusting, and Bush should have one of his nuts crushed for screwing us like he is in regards to this conundrum.

havok, prae, why are you so hateful? those who come to this country illegally are people, just like you. this ridiculous notion of nationality juts needlessly seperates people. borders are illusions created in the interest of the powerful people in the world playing on our fear of those who are different from us. mexican, american, theyre simply labels created to divide and alientate us from people who are rally more similar to us than they are different. everyone has an equal right to be in any particular place whenever they want. why not welcome your fellow human bings with open arms, instead of shunning them for arbitrary reasons such as language and nationality?

Whammy -
You're a true idealist, and while I typically find that characteristic to be a byproduct of youth, I'd be remiss if I didn't tell you that what separates us aren't just boundaries - they're accomplishments. American accomplishments that our forefathers fought for and our lineage helped solidify. If being pissed off at politicians for exploiting the border jumpers to garner future votes makes you question my motives for being angry, then I'll have to ask why? Why shouldn't I be disgusted at the prospect of these fuckers exploiting Mexicans, which in turn exploits every prior American accomplishment? Do you not see that what we’ve worked for is OURS, and ours alone? How the hell can this concept be a mystery to you? Havok, I'm too flustered to continue on this tirade, why don't you give it a shot...

Originally posted by WhammyBar
havok, prae, why are you so hateful? those who come to this country illegally are people, just like you. this ridiculous notion of nationality juts needlessly seperates people. borders are illusions created in the interest of the powerful people in the world playing on our fear of those who are different from us. mexican, american, theyre simply labels created to divide and alientate us from people who are rally more similar to us than they are different. everyone has an equal right to be in any particular place whenever they want. why not welcome your fellow human bings with open arms, instead of shunning them for arbitrary reasons such as language and nationality?

Prae is right....Whammy. We(Americans) did the time, so why shouldnt we benefit? Its impossible to have your dream of everyone holding hands and singing "kumbiyah"....These border jumpers ARE illegal, and they corrupt our system, take our jobs, WTF? Why doesn't that piss you off?

Originally posted by WhammyBar
havok, prae, why are you so hateful? those who come to this country illegally are people, just like you. this ridiculous notion of nationality juts needlessly seperates people. borders are illusions created in the interest of the powerful people in the world playing on our fear of those who are different from us. mexican, american, theyre simply labels created to divide and alientate us from people who are rally more similar to us than they are different. everyone has an equal right to be in any particular place whenever they want. why not welcome your fellow human bings with open arms, instead of shunning them for arbitrary reasons such as language and nationality?
If they come into this country legally, then more power to them, I welcome them to the United States and wish them well. If they enter this country illegally and then start demanding certain rights and priveleges that they do not at all deserve (as they are criminals), I become angry. Ideally, we would have one unified world government and such (free of corruption of course...while we're dreaming of a NWO, why not think utopian thoughts). But alas, we don't. In the meantime, the taxes I pay are spent on these people who decide to try and take advantage of the United States and earn a buck. I say fuck 'em. I want my taxes going towards the services the government provides for citizens and legal residents. I don't want my taxes to pay for an illegal immigrant's driver's license, or for his kids to go to school. He is NOT ENTITLED to the services this country provides unless he enters the country through the proper channels (legal, not waterways ;)).

Originally posted by HaVoK
With the invasion this country is currently being attacked with, common fucking sense tells you that this clause should not be changed. Within 10 years, we'll have Guadalupe Hernandez, 2 weeks from Mexico, running for President and winning. Use your heads people.

You can say that they will rune for president and one in time may indeed win, yet I do not understand exactly why that would be so extrodinarily harmful to America. It is not as if the American people will simply vote for a person of another nationality because they are different. People would vote for a person of another nationality because we believed that they could lead a county. In time I believe an ammendment could be made, yet Arnold alone is not enough reason to change this. What would seem to realy matter would be that the people believed citizens from another Nation could do a better job running the country than we do. As it was said earlier, that law was originaly created to prevent England from regaining power over us. I honestly think that this law causes more and more people to believe in the arogance of America. As I believe it would mean to them that we Americans are better than you which proves not to be true more and more as immigrants take over more jobs from us as many will work for less and have equal or greater abilities. Illegal immigrants are wrong, I believe, to come to out country in the first place, but we have wrong sterotypes against all immigrants because of the illegal ones. I believe it is time that America pulled off the blindfold and realized that we need to accept that people other than Americans can do the same work as us and we can't hate them for it, but compete with them for our jobs.

You know, my thoughts are to try to stave off the inevitable as long as we can. This country will soon be a total shithole anyway. I was just hoping that I could live a comfortable life here like my father and his before him, then the liberals and immigrants could shit on this country after i die. Im no longer certain this will be my country when i die.

Originally posted by HaVoK
then the liberals and immigrants could shit on this country after i die.

...wow, I haven't laughed so hard in a few days.

i know this is off topic....but jeez...Overdose, you need to stop type-fucking the threads with your long signature.

Originally posted by HaVoK
This country will soon be a total shithole anyway.

True.

I'd say that January 20th, 2005, will mark the precise halfway point in this nation's transformation into that *total shithole* you speak of.

Originally posted by Decka
i know this is off topic....but jeez...Overdose, you need to stop type-fucking the threads with your long signature.
Hmmm, since you asked so nicely...I may just take it off to be nice...wait...nevermind. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Jinx
You can say that they will rune for president and one in time may indeed win, yet I do not understand exactly why that would be so extrodinarily harmful to America. It is not as if the American people will simply vote for a person of another nationality because they are different.
Sorry pal, but if given a chance, don't think for one second that a Mexican wouldn't vote for another Mexican, especially considering the fact that in 20 years, whites will be a minority in this country. In other words, America is being handed over to them by the politicians we currently have in office, and we're just along for the ride, coach class. Fasten your seatbelt, for it's going to be a shitty journey, mark my words...
Originally posted by Jinx
As it was said earlier, that law was originaly created to prevent England from regaining power over us. I honestly think that this law causes more and more people to believe in the arogance of America.
If they're construing it as arrogance, then that's their problem, not ours. I'm not even sure I understand the conclusion you just came to with that statement, but I am willing say that if foreigners have a problem with American citizens wanting American born to lead our own country, then fuck 'em.
Originally posted by Jinx
As I believe it would mean to them that we Americans are better than you which proves not to be true more and more as immigrants take over more jobs from us as many will work for less and have equal or greater abilities.
One word: Unions. Thank them for spoiling a nation of people who won't haul garbage for less than 50k a year. However, you do have a point here, and Americans have become generally accustomed to a good life and typically won't lift a finger unless grossly compensated. That's nobodies fault but our own, and I see the youth of today as lazy, which begets a future involving companies hiring outside to protect bottom lines. Cue Mexican employment, and bam - you have a situation where America loses. I'll concede on that point...
Originally posted by Jinx
Illegal immigrants are wrong, I believe, to come to out country in the first place, but we have wrong sterotypes against all immigrants because of the illegal ones. I believe it is time that America pulled off the blindfold and realized that we need to accept that people other than Americans can do the same work as us and we can't hate them for it, but compete with them for our jobs.
This may be true, to a degree, but the lines of determining legal status from illegal become blurred when none of them want to speak English in the first place. They're not here to embrace America; they're here to exploit it. They'll never consider themselves American, and will do what ever it takes to send money back to Mexico in an effort to bring their families here. They could give a flying fuck about our history and are doing all they can to rewrite it. Everything that went into making this country profitable, good, and whole is being casually erased by these parasites, which have found sanctuary here, and are given amnesty by certain bleeding hearts that don't understand why conservatives are pissed off. I know - George Bush is at the forefront of this national degradation, and should be blowtorched for what he's allowing to happen domestically. His immigration policy is sickening...

Originally posted by Overdose
...wow, I haven't laughed so hard in a few days.
I'm glad the notion of our country being shat on amuses you.

Originally posted by Decka
i know this is off topic....but jeez...Overdose, you need to stop type-fucking the threads with your long signature.

Telling OD to stop doing something is basically just inviting him to do it more. Right OD? :)

That being said, it's taking about about the same amount of screen as your sig.

"Type-fucking" - that's pretty funny...

However, Hutz is right. Decka, you just evoked longer sig lines on OD's part, and that's most likely a promise.

Originally posted by LionelHutz
Telling OD to stop doing something is basically just inviting him to do it more. Right OD? :)
Well, you'd think Dekca and others would have figured it out by now...

Originally posted by BorgHunter
If they enter this country illegally and then start demanding certain rights and priveleges that they do not at all deserve (as they are criminals), I become angry. the taxes I pay are spent on these people who decide to try and take advantage of the United States and earn a buck.
I say fuck 'em.
I want my taxes going towards the services the government provides for citizens and legal residents. I don't want my taxes to pay for an illegal immigrant's driver's license, or for his kids to go to school.
He is NOT ENTITLED to the services this country provides unless he enters the country through the proper channels (legal, not waterways ;)).

Are you really 16 ?
I wish I had half the clarity at 16 or was informed enough to make poinient obsevations. Man, I'm impressed.
And I agree w/your point about illegals.

I don't think we should keep amending the Constituion w/the whims of change.
Politics and opinion are subject to change and not reason enough for an amendment.
The foresight the sculptors of our Constitution had was amazing.
Before monkeying w/another amendment we should consider the population explosion in other countries and our current problems w/immigration.
Europe is inundated w/Muslims and they are concerned the natives and their identity will be lost in the meld.
As others have pointed out we have the same problem w/Mexico.
When the landscape goes from diversity to domination, the native species may feel threatened.
This happens in nature and threatens the integrity of the existing environment. This is demonstrated in the European starling or Africanized honeybee. Species that don't belong and threaten the quality of life as we know it. Some were introduced and some snuck in..

I watched as Gonzales was questioned about his Torture Memo; repeatedly couldn't recall any details.
It looks like Dubya and his trainers have almost finished teaching Gonzales to dance. Gonzales seems to fit right in( the shifty eyed little greaser) just like Dubya, Cheney and Rice.

Makes me wonder if Arnold could do any worse.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
If they come into this country legally, then more power to them, I welcome them to the United States and wish them well. If they enter this country illegally and then start demanding certain rights and priveleges that they do not at all deserve (as they are criminals), I become angry. Ideally, we would have one unified world government and such (free of corruption of course...while we're dreaming of a NWO, why not think utopian thoughts). But alas, we don't. In the meantime, the taxes I pay are spent on these people who decide to try and take advantage of the United States and earn a buck. I say fuck 'em. I want my taxes going towards the services the government provides for citizens and legal residents.

I agree.

And i second jim's observation that you are very advanced in political thinking for a 16 year old....I'm impressed, and and given a small glimmer of hope for the next generation.

But then, for every BorgHunter out there, there are a million 16 year olds in this country who have never heard of de Toqueville or Madison, who have not read more than 5 books in their life, who are convinced that all we need to straighten things out politically and societally is to put "prayer back in schools", get the lazy Negroes off Welfare and bomb the Muslims back to the Stone Age, and whose primary ambition in life is to obtain a pickup truck and install loud pipes and a Dixie flag in the back window.