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Innocent Sweety
01-02-2005, 02:00 AM
Islam was the most revolutionary liberalization of women's rights the civilized world has ever seen.
http://www.islamonline.com/cgi-bin/news_service/pics/771.jpg
Unlike feminism movements, women's liberation in Islam wasn't started by women but was revealed by Allah to Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) in the seventh century. The Qur'an and the Hadith or Sunnah of the Prophet (PBUH) are the sources from which every Muslim woman derives her rights, responsibilities and duties.
Men and women are equaled in front of Allah; this is in terms of worshiping, obeying, and glorifying Him. Nevertheless they're equally punished when committing any sin. For instance when committing adultery, the man and the woman share the same punishment.
Allah says in the Qur’an:
"O mankind! Be careful of your duty to your Lord who created you from a single soul and from it its mate and from them both have spread abroad a multitude of men and women. Be careful of your duty toward Allah in whom you claim (your rights) of one another, and towards the wombs (that bore you)! Allah has been a Watcher over you." Qur'an (4:1)
Since men and women both came from the same essence, they are equal regarding their human rights. Women cannot be considered evil by nature (as some people may think) or then men would be evil also. Similarly, neither gender can be superior because it would be a contradiction of equality.
Islam also granted women many civil rights; a Muslim woman has the basic freedom of choice and expression based on recognition of her individual personality. First, she is free to choose her religion. The Qur'an states:
"There is no compulsion in religion. Right has been made distinct from error."Qur'an (2:256)
In Islam, women's role is balanced but fair. She has been removed from the burden of supporting herself. Instead men take this responsibility, a woman's father and or brother and even the government, if the other two are not available a responsible to take care of the woman and support her financially. If she does not want to work, she does not have to. She has the freedom to decide to stay at home and spend her time raising her children and tending to her family, social and religious life. However, if she wants to work, she is not forbidden to do so. Actually Islam has encouraged the woman to educate herself and to know Allah and know her duties, so that she can educate her children. She is discouraged from leaving her children without guidance and example. Moreover she is given the most honorable and important job in the universe, she is more encouraged to be a mother.
Muslim women have the right to choose their husbands and keep their names after marriage. Islam also encourages women to contribute their opinions and ideas; there are many examples of women who offered their opinions concerning religion, economics and social matters to Prophet Mohammad (PBUH). Also, a Muslim woman’s testimony is valid in legal disputes.
Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) said:
"Seeking knowledge is a mandate for every Muslim (male and female)."
This includes learning the Qur'an and the Hadith as well gaining knowledge in science and many other fields. Since both men and women have the capacity for learning and understanding, Muslim women must acquire the appropriate education in order to promote good behavior and condemn bad behavior in all spheres of life.
While maintenance of a home, supporting husbands, breading and teaching children are regarded as the priorities for a woman, if she has the skills to work outside her house for the good of the family, then she may do so as long as she doesn't ignore her main family duties.
Moreover Islam gives high respect to motherhood, Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) said:
"Heaven lies under the feet of mothers."
This implies that the success of a society is traced to good mothers. Therefore, a woman must be educated and conscientious in order to be a skillful parent.
Fourteen hundred years ago, Islam started giving women the right to vote .On any public matter; Muslim women may vote their opinion and participate in politics. This established the right of women to select their leader and publicly declare so.
For example, Abdurrahman Ibn Auf consulted many women before he recommended Othman Ibn Affan to be the Caliph.
While guardianship and greater financial responsibility is given to men in Islam, a Muslim woman has the privilege to earn money, the right to own property, to enter into legal contracts and to manage all of her assets in any way she pleases. She can run her own business and no one has any claim on her earnings including her husband.
Allah says in the Holy Qur'an:
"And in no wise covet those things in which Allah hath bestowed His gifts more freely on some of you than on others; to men is allotted what they earn, and to women, what they earn; but ask Allah of His bounty, for Allah hath full knowledge of all things." Qur'an (4:32)
Islam liberated women by giving them rights and duties 1400 years ago that most women do not enjoy up till now, even in the West. These duties and rights were given by Allah and are designed to keep balance in society; what may seem unjust or missing in one place is compensated for or explained in another place because Islam as is a complete way of life.
Allah says:
"And it not of a believing man or a women, when Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad) have declared a matter, for them to have any choice in that matter. And anyone who disobeys God and His Messenger has indeed gone astray into open error." Qur'an (33:36)
http://www.islamonline.com/cgi-bin/news_service/spot_full_story.asp?service_id=771
old-reb
01-04-2005, 05:56 PM
A Muslim woman has it good unless she loses her honor.
Egypt: Is Honour Killing a Taboo?
The taboo surrounding honour crimes is being chipped away. A man stabbed his sister-in-law to death because rumour had it that she was a woman of 'loose' morals, and a court sentenced a man to a year's imprisonment for killing his sister -for besmirching the family's honour with her 'ill-reputation.'
Honour crimes now feature regularly in daily newspapers. A woman's honour is like a matchstick, the popular saying has it, and any deviation from social norms and regulations can mean the 'loss of her honour' and the 'honour' of the family. It takes far less than a pre- or extramarital relationship for a woman to be condemned as 'dishonourable' and deserving death. There is no "typical" case one can speak of: honour crimes include a husband killing his wife for leaving the house too often, a son killing his mother to prevent her from remarrying, a brother killing his sister and her husband for marrying without the family's consent, a man killing his wife for refusing to wear the veil when leaving home.
While honour crimes are certainly not a daily phenomenon, judging from the frequency of newspaper reports, they are not exceptional either. And yet they are not high on the agenda of women's rights activists in most of Arab countries. Why? Possibly because, as is the case for all social taboos, it takes time to break the culture of silence around them. Possibly because, unlike female genital mutilation, they do not affect millions of women every day. Possibly, too, because there is very little information about them, their frequency and the people likely to perpetrate them. Another strong reason is the fear of the so - called 'western oriental obsession' with women's lack of rights in the Arab world.
http://www.secularislam.org/women/bulletin4.htm#UAE
HaVoK
01-04-2005, 06:16 PM
Sweety, you're either really innocent, or very devious.
old-reb
01-04-2005, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by HaVoK
Sweety, you're either really innocent, or very devious.
I go with the first choice, for sure.
old reb
Innocent Sweety
01-05-2005, 01:58 AM
As always, good to hear from you old-reb.
Of course, a woman's honor is important, as is a man's.
This little article that you posted totally goes against Islam. These are one of those macho Arab things, where social taboo's are taken into consideration and not Islam. (It happens all over).
Originally posted by old-reb
Possibly because, unlike female genital mutilation, they do not affect millions of women every day.
^ do you really think so?
We have many women's rights movements here.
Possibly, too, because there is very little information about them, their frequency and the people likely to perpetrate them.
I'll be honest with you, I laughed out loud at this.
So tell me :) what am I doing in this forum?
Do I not give sufficient information about myself?
Another strong reason is the fear of the so - called 'western oriental obsession' with women's lack of rights in the Arab world.
Fear, you say? Fear? Well, you can either read the poem I posted in the Islamic thread or read what I'm about to say:
You can have your freedom, and I'll have mine. At least with mine, it is accompanied with dignity and respect.
Innocent Sweety
01-05-2005, 02:01 AM
Originally posted by HaVoK
Sweety, you're either really innocent, or very devious.
Why would I be devious?
I give nothing but the truth as much as possible.
mad dog
01-05-2005, 08:15 AM
Isn't this the religion that gives the man 70+ virgins every night when he dies? If so are you going to be one of these women used and abused every night for eternity? IF this is the same religion it sounds like the men do pretty good after death and the women have to become virgins just for mans pleasure, I think the word would be slavery?????
old-reb
01-05-2005, 12:38 PM
Hello Sweety,
I have seen your cut and paste poem about Muslim woman. It is a master piece of making the enslaved appear to be free and the free appear to be enslaved. You could post it again for all to see.
In this cut and paste, I see that the Jews are not only blamed for the death of Christ but all so for the death of Mohammad.
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MUHAMMAD'S FAREWELL ADDRESS
Shortly before he died as a result of poisoning by a Jewish woman, , Muhammad addressed a crowd of Muslims in Mecca. He commented on several issues, including the treatment of women. Here is the pertinent quote. It is taken from Ibn Ishaq's "Sirat Rasulallah", Guillaume's translation [11], page 651:
"You have rights over your wives, and they have rights over you. You have the right that they should not defile your bed and that they should not behave with open unseemliness. If they do, God allows you to put them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not with severity. If they refrain from these things and obey you, they have right to their food and clothing with kindness. Lay injunctions on women kindly, for they are your wards having no control of their persons."
Sounds like the old South. Keep them bare foot, pregnant, cooking,washing clothes, in their place and oh yeh, like a good rug beat them once a week to keep them in good shape.
Innocent I really doubt that you are 16, female or innocent.
Sorry, just my opinion. Why else would you be defending the treatment of Arab women by a bunch of macho bastards.
Mohammad might have intended one thing, but like most man made religions, man took it and twisted it to suit himself.
You can play on the old American sweet 16 myth all you want to but I didn't just fall off the old turnip truck.
Echo2
01-05-2005, 02:04 PM
As a woman I am appalled. When I originally read the poem I wanted to cry for all the women who have been brainwashed into believing that by being kept in their place they are being taken care of.
Innocent - you are not free. You may believe you are but that is because you are taught that what you have is
best for you".
Religion and law should not be intermixed. That is the biggest conflict between your society and ours. Our society trys very hard to not allow religious principals to become law and your society believes that they should be intermixed.
Innocent Sweety
01-06-2005, 12:16 AM
I have to say, I was appaled with your replies.
On any level:
maddog
You obviously have a wrong impression regarding Islam.
Muslim women are NOT given to men after their death.
old-reb
We believe in Judaism as a religion, as we believe in Christianity.
fyi, Prophet Muhammad - Peace and Prayers Be Upon Him - died of natural causes and not of being poisoned by a Jew. Get your facts right.
Dan Fussel
I am not here to make you believe that I am 16 years old or am a female, that's your personal opinion and you're entitled to it.
I do know that I speak the truth and nothing but, and that's enough for me.
fyi, we are not kept in the house cleaning all day. Read the article I posted thoroughly before posting a reply.
Echo2
Brainwashed? You actually believe that I am brainwashed into this religion?
After all my posts, do you actually believe that I am an uneducated Arab bimbo who bows at her husbands feet?
Believe me, if I believed in everything I was taught I would not be here posting this.
You say that religion and law should not be intermixed, I beg to differ. Religion = life, and life = religion.
mad dog
01-06-2005, 07:16 AM
Originally posted by Innocent Sweety
[color=firebrick]I have to say, I was appaled with your replies.
On any level:
You put yourself out there, no one on this forum made you post ???
maddog
You obviously have a wrong impression regarding Islam.
Muslim women are NOT given to men after their death.
So how many virgins do you get and what women are used for the men?
Why do the men treat women like {as Dan said} an old rug?
old-reb
01-06-2005, 07:47 AM
Originally posted by Innocent Sweety
Dan Fussel
I am not here to make you believe that I am 16 years old or am a female, that's your personal opinion and you're entitled to it.
I do know that I speak the truth and nothing but, and that's enough for me.
I am throughly convinced that you are who you say you are and that you are completely honest. It would be hard to fool old reb on that.
But, you argue Islam from where you are in life; but in the world today. Islam is bigger than that. I like these exchanges of information. When all the cards are on the deck the truth will come out. However, to convince you that Islam was wrong would only bring harm in your life as you would be punished for not beliving as taught by your family and religious leaders.
However for the free, we can see and decide for ourselves.
old reb
Innocent Sweety
01-07-2005, 02:33 AM
Originally posted by mad dog
You put yourself out there, no one on this forum made you post ???
I realize that, I was just saying...
So how many virgins do you get and what women are used for the men?
Why do the men treat women like {as Dan said} an old rug?
No virgins are "got"
Men do not treat women like "an old rug"
When all the cards are on the deck the truth will come out. However, to convince you that Islam was wrong would only bring harm in your life as you would be punished for not beliving as taught by your family and religious leaders.
It wouldn't, it would just make me stronger as person.
Why would somebody trying to convince me that what I believe in is wrong have me, as a result, be punished? I strongly believe in freedom of choice, as you can see I've done nothing but post the truth, I've never tried to change one's principles.
However for the free, we can see and decide for ourselves.
So that makes me unfree?
You think that I'm kind of like a slave? Forced into my beliefs against my own will?
Elwood
01-07-2005, 12:04 PM
You are deceived Innocent sweety-with all the Islamic quotes one cannot escape the Honor killings and the way that " Heaven ' is believed in a Muslim faith-women are put to a high honor of respect I hear people yelling-then what is going on in Iran Iraq-Libya and other Arab countries where the male is the leader and decides what is best for a woman?-A friend of mine moved back to Saudi Arabia(a doctor like her husband) she said she would not be allowed to drive a car, and have to show proper respect to any male that graces her presence-even though she is intellectually superior-This is a great religion?? Go grab yourself a beer or two or better yet-if you are a Muslim woman-go ahead in your local group and assert your demands for a women's group to have the men listen to you when you talk(and then prepare to run!)
Innocent Sweety
01-08-2005, 12:01 AM
Originally posted by Elwood
You are deceived Innocent sweety-with all the Islamic quotes one cannot escape the Honor killings and the way that " Heaven ' is believed in a Muslim faith-women are put to a high honor of respect I hear people yelling-then what is going on in Iran Iraq-Libya and other Arab countries where the male is the leader and decides what is best for a woman?-A friend of mine moved back to Saudi Arabia(a doctor like her husband) she said she would not be allowed to drive a car, and have to show proper respect to any male that graces her presence-even though she is intellectually superior-This is a great religion?? Go grab yourself a beer or two or better yet-if you are a Muslim woman-go ahead in your local group and assert your demands for a women's group to have the men listen to you when you talk(and then prepare to run!)
I agree with the Honor killings, one cannot escape them. You should know, however, that these killings are a sin, and are sadly popular in the East. Honor killings are NOT in Islam. A proper judge should judge on whether a person is guilty or not, and punish him/her accordingly.
Well I'd just like to know how you think Heaven is viewed in our faith? I think you'll be surprised.
Iran, Iraq, Libya and other Arab countries that demean a woman are doing it out of Arabness and not out of Islamness (if there exists such words, but anyway), these are one of those Arab macho things, in Islam it is a sin to demean a woman in that way. Read the posted article.
I am totally with you regarding the Saudi Arabia matter, women should be allowed to drive, it is their choice not the man's. This law is not in Islam, it is in the Saudi Arabian's logic though. Here, in the UAE, women are allowed to do as they wish.
There are many womens groups here in the UAE, and thankfully there weren't many complaints against the UAE laws since women are granted equal rights.
Innocent, can you drive in your country? Can you hold public office? Can you conduct a religious ceremony at church? Can you publically address a crowd at a public meeting? Can you marry a Christian if you choose and live in your country? Just wondering.
Innocent Sweety
01-08-2005, 12:24 AM
Originally posted by Dan Fussell
Innocent, can you drive in your country? Can you hold public office? Can you conduct a religious ceremony at church? Can you publically address a crowd at a public meeting? Can you marry a Christian if you choose and live in your country? Just wondering.
Yes, yes, yes, yes and yes.
To the last question though, it would be a sin if I married a Christian cause as a Muslim I'm supposed to marry a Muslim.
:)
Thank you for your answer. It seems to me a shame that religious practices would stand in the way of true love if you fell for someone that was of another religion. This could change your entire future as far as happiness in some cases.
I guess the men that originally set up your religion were affraid of losing their women. Very controlling that they limit your future in this respect.
Men, in their quest for control of the masses, took only their interest in consideration.
Men writing the Bible, in the Old Testament, also did not give women equality.
The Saudis used to tell me that a woman in their country could not marry outside the religion but a man could because the man was considered the dominant head of the home and decided the religion that would be followed there-fore continuing the Islam.
So much for equality under Islam!
old-reb
01-08-2005, 03:59 PM
Originally posted by Innocent Sweety
Yes, yes, yes, yes and yes.
To the last question though, it would be a sin if I married a Christian cause as a Muslim I'm supposed to marry a Muslim.
:)
You just proved that you are not free. You need some of the gals on this board to start a womens liberation group so you can be free to marry whom ever you wish.
Just like Muslim women wear a veil because they are free to wear one if that is what they want; and what they want is to wear something that will protect them from harm by those who disapprove a woman being free.
old reb
Innocent Sweety
01-09-2005, 12:39 AM
Um, Dan Fussell and old-reb
I said "yes" to the question of whether I can marry a Christian. The law allows it here. But in Islam it is a sin.
In the end, it's my desicion.
There's no need for women liberation movements regarding this, as it is practiced and allowed. In Islam though, it is a sin and I take full responsiblity for the consequences of my actions.
sputnik
01-10-2005, 04:55 PM
interesting thing about islam.
at the time of its introduction, around 600 ad, islam improved the rights of women by a thousandfold by outlawing infanticide, giving women the right to divorce, allowing men to have no more than four wives, and giving women the right to inherit property. in saudi arabia before islam, women were treated as a man's possessions, with no rights or dignity. AT THE TIME, the qur'an was the most revolutionary and progressive set of ideas out there regarding women's rights. indeed, at its core, islam teaches that men and women will be judged equally by allah.
however, society advances and the same old rules are no longer adequate. the ideals that improved the standing of women so much in 600 ad arent' necessarily going to work today. so really, the qur'an can be interpreted either way: either it's a great starting place for advancing the cause of women's rights, or it can be interpreted to mean that men have been created to be women's superiors.
though i'm not a muslim, i've studied it a bit and this is pretty much what i've found to be true.
Innocent Sweety
01-10-2005, 11:23 PM
First, it's nice :) to see you interested..
Originally posted by sputnik
AT THE TIME, the qur'an was the most revolutionary and progressive set of ideas out there regarding women's rights.
I beg to differ.
You see, the outstanding thing about the Quran is that it is good for any place and time. It gives rights and respect to Muslims at all times.
mad dog
01-13-2005, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by Innocent Sweety
It gives rights and respect to Muslims at all times.
This is exactly what makes this a mans religion and not anything to do with God/gods. I think every human should get respect and equal rights not just a certain group. But if I where to start a group what better way to go.... respect us to heck with the rest.
You have said many things that don't sound half bad about your religion, but the fact still remains...ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THEN WORDS. If your religion is really what you say then I would say most of the folks in it need alot of work. This is just my opinion put togehter by what I have seen, maybe you'll show me something that can better prove your point of view?????
Innocent Sweety
01-14-2005, 10:51 PM
mad dog
I'm sorry I think I should've been more specific.
Islam does not give rights and respect to Muslims only, it gives rights and respect to all people at all times.
If your religion is really what you say then I would say most of the folks in it need alot of work.
All people in all religions need work, no one is perfect in anything.
maybe you'll show me something that can better prove your point of view?????
I'm sorry I didn't get that.. Exactly what would you like me to show you?
old-reb
01-15-2005, 03:47 PM
Dhimmitude is the status that Islamic law, the Sharia, mandates for non-Muslims, primarily Jews and Christians. Dhimmis, "protected people," are free to practice their religion in a Sharia regime, but are made subject to a number of humiliating regulations designed to enforce the Qur'an's command that they "feel themselves subdued" (Sura 9:29). This denial of equality of rights and dignity remains part of the Sharia, and, as such, are part of the law that global jihadists are laboring to impose everywhere, ultimately on the entire human race.
The dhimmi attitude of chastened subservience has entered into Western academic study of Islam, and from there into journalism, textbooks, and the popular discourse. One must not point out the depredations of jihad and dhimmitude; to do so would offend the multiculturalist ethos that prevails everywhere today.
Control of a nation or group of people should be sufficiently carried out by a set of common laws. Enforced by a law enforcement with culprits judged by their peers in front of an elected judge. There is no need for religion to be involved.
As long a religions reign man will pay the consequences.
Innocent Sweety
01-15-2005, 11:40 PM
Originally posted by old-reb
Dhimmis, "protected people," are free to practice their religion in a Sharia regime, but are made subject to a number of humiliating regulations designed to enforce the Qur'an's command that they "feel themselves subdued" (Sura 9:29). This denial of equality of rights and dignity remains part of the Sharia, and, as such, are part of the law that global jihadists are laboring to impose everywhere, ultimately on the entire human race.
The only thing they made them do (to my knowledge) is pay a tax, and that was it. Unless you call paying money to live under a foreign system humiliating, then...
mad dog
01-17-2005, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by Innocent Sweety
[I'm sorry I didn't get that.. Exactly what would you like me to show you?
I will just read your post and learn, most of the folks here ask better questions then I do so I'll let them rack your brain and just follow along :)
As others have said it does seem that you are not free. You seem to be happy but do you really have total freedom? I know some religions/groups will let there people stray for awhile to let them learn more about other ways of life, can you do this? If you can't do this then this would be control not freedom.
Echo2
01-17-2005, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by Innocent Sweety
Echo2
brainwashed? You actually believe that I am brainwashed into this religion?
After all my posts, do you actually believe that I am an uneducated Arab bimbo who bows at her husbands feet?
You say that religion and law should not be intermixed, I beg to differ. Religion = life, and life = religion.[/color]
I never meant to insinuate that you are a "bimbo". From your posts I can determine that you are very smart, however, you are young and it is my understanding that you have not experienced other cultures in depth. It is difficult to determine if you are better off or not without having that experience. Remember, in any country you are taught what the government wants you to know and believe. Not what is necessarily true?
You stated that religion and law should be intermixed.
Are you saying that someone of a different religion (say Catholic) would be required to live under Islamic religious law if in an Islamic country? That doesn't sound like freedom to me.
Why do so many Islamic country's laws allow the horrible treatment of women and yet you say that Islam says that women are equal.
What we don't understand is how you so casually brush off the fact that in many Islamic countries women are treated like chattel and often killed for honor and forced to hide their faces and bodies as if they were something dirty or bad.
You believe that religion = life, and life = religion.
I don't understand this. Are you saying that people who are not religious are not alive? I have a very fulfilling life and I am not religious.
Can you explain to me how your religion can support killing? You brush it off as not being true Islam, but the fact is that people are being killed in the name of your religion.
Innocent Sweety
01-17-2005, 11:02 PM
Originally posted by mad dog
As others have said it does seem that you are not free. You seem to be happy but do you really have total freedom? I know some religions/groups will let there people stray for awhile to let them learn more about other ways of life, can you do this? If you can't do this then this would be control not freedom.
People stray all the time :confused: in all religions.. Do you mean is it allowed in Islam?
About total freedom, then yes I am completely free. Why do you see me as unfree? I can make my own desicions and everything.
Innocent Sweety
01-17-2005, 11:30 PM
Originally posted by Echo2
I never meant to insinuate that you are a "bimbo". From your posts I can determine that you are very smart, however, you are young and it is my understanding that you have not experienced other cultures in depth. It is difficult to determine if you are better off or not without having that experience. Remember, in any country you are taught what the government wants you to know and believe. Not what is necessarily true?
You stated that religion and law should be intermixed.
Are you saying that someone of a different religion (say Catholic) would be required to live under Islamic religious law if in an Islamic country? That doesn't sound like freedom to me.
Why do so many Islamic country's laws allow the horrible treatment of women and yet you say that Islam says that women are equal.
What we don't understand is how you so casually brush off the fact that in many Islamic countries women are treated like chattel and often killed for honor and forced to hide their faces and bodies as if they were something dirty or bad.
You believe that religion = life, and life = religion.
I don't understand this. Are you saying that people who are not religious are not alive? I have a very fulfilling life and I am not religious.
Can you explain to me how your religion can support killing? You brush it off as not being true Islam, but the fact is that people are being killed in the name of your religion.
Experienced other cultures in depth? What does that have to do with anything?
btw, if you're talking of the western culture then yeah, I'm pretty familiar with it.
About a catholic living under Islamic laws.. It's like a Muslim living under Western laws. See, the country is like that, thus you should respect its laws and culture.
When we travel to western countries, we respect their laws and go by them, and here we go by our laws. See you made the desicion of going to that country in the first place, you should therefore respect it and tolerate whatever you mightn't like. Seems fair to me...
Why do Islamic countries allow the horrible treatment of women? Not all do, though some have explained Islam in their own twisted way and have declared it right (it is NOT).
Do I do that? Do I really casually brush that off? Sorry, I didn't mean it that way...
It is appaling, yet a truth we can't escape. btw, honor killings aren't restricted to Islam it's a thing that's mostly popular in Asian countries. I'm sure there were honor killings in the U.S too. (oh, and fyi, Islam doesn't support these killings)
By saying that religion = life and life = religion I mean that your life should revolve around your religion and that your religion should revolve around your life. This doesn't mean that you are not alive. Just means that everything in religion should be done in life, thus religion = life and life = religion. I hope you understand now.
If I've said it once, I've said it a million times Islam does not support killing. People use Islam as an excuse to their actions. They kill and say, "Oh, cause Islam said that." They rape and say, "Yeah, it's in Islam."
The fact remains that none of this is in Islam. If you researched it well you'll find that Islam encourages peace and is very much against killing.
I've explained this point more thoroughly in my Islam thread.
Echo2
01-18-2005, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by Innocent Sweety
If you researched it well you'll find that Islam encourages peace and is very much against killing.
I know a lot about Islam. Scripturally it translates into a very controling religion. Religion should not control ones life, it should add color and hue and incite, not restrictions and rules and laws.
Islamic scripture encourages violence. It dances around it and like most scriptures can be taken more than one way, but the reality is that much of the time it is practiced with violence. Either towards outsiders or towards its own people, i.e. wiomen.
FYI - Many Muslims in America DO NOT conform to our laws and customs.
Innocent Sweety
01-19-2005, 03:13 AM
Originally posted by Echo2
I know a lot about Islam. Scripturally it translates into a very controling religion. Religion should not control ones life, it should add color and hue and incite, not restrictions and rules and laws.
You know a lot about Islam..? And yet you insist that it is in fact a violent religion while it is not?
Fine, show me in the Koran or Sunna.
Islamic scripture encourages violence. It dances around it and like most scriptures can be taken more than one way, but the reality is that much of the time it is practiced with violence. Either towards outsiders or towards its own people, i.e. wiomen.
How does Islam practice or/and encourage violence towards women? Please, do show me.
FYI - Many Muslims in America DO NOT conform to our laws and customs.
Just like many foreigners do not conform to our laws and customs, that's a universal thing.
They should conform to it though, just like others should towards us. (Treat others like you would want to be treated)
Hooligan2004uk
01-19-2005, 07:44 AM
Women have only a place in the kitchen or the bedroom, If men weren't surpost to be able to beat women why did god or whoever make then weaker than men. My thinkin is go made men to go out and hunt and get food (i.e money) and the women is there to look after the children and serve the man.
i think this jokes sums it all up
What do you say to a muslim women with two black eyes????
Nothing her husband hasn't already told her twice!!!!!
~Sal~
01-19-2005, 10:03 AM
Innocent Sweety
Glad that you find comfort and freedom in your religion. That is a wonderful thing.
I was raised Catholic and well indoctrinated into the faith by my parochial school. Luckily my parents although believing in the church were free thinkers and taught me ALL must be questioned for otherwise it is a faith belief based on a child's innocent acceptance and therefore not true faith at all. If it is truth it will stand the test of time.
I believe all religions have much good to offer to humanity. All hold certain major components of truth. Do you believe there are other religions in the world which hold truth or is Islam the "one true" religion?
Your answer interests me since I have a Muslim friend. She will not wear the head cover and her family are convinced and much afraid that she will go to hell. In spite of their fears they have not cast her out. Yet she holds much disdain for "Arab" men and says how they appear to treat their women in public (here in the West) is entirely different to what happens behind closed doors.
Echo2
01-19-2005, 02:03 PM
Some of my favorites are...
Koran: “The unbelievers are your sworn enemies.” Women; Sura 4:101.
Koran: “Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal harshly with them.” Repentance; Sura 9:123.
Koran: “Mohammed is Allah’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." Victory; Sura 48:29.
Koran: “When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks then, when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds; then set them free, either by grace or ransom, till the war lays down its load.” Women; Sura 4:47.
Then there is the Koran’s 164 Jihad Verses
Translation used: M. H. Shakir, published by Tahrike Tarsile Qur'an, Inc., 1983.
Set
Count
Citation
Full-Text
Set 1
Count 1+2
K 2:178-179
[2.178] O you who believe! retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the slain, the free for the free, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female, but if any remission is made to any one by his (aggrieved) brother, then prosecution (for the bloodwit) should be made according to usage, and payment should be made to him in a good manner; this is an alleviation from your Lord and a mercy; so whoever exceeds the limit after this he shall have a painful chastisement. [2.179] And there is life for you in (the law of) retaliation, O men of understanding, that you may guard yourselves.
Set 2
Count 3+4
K 2:190-191
[2.190] And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits. [2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.
Set 3
Count 5+6
K 2:193-194
[2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors. [2.194] The Sacred month for the sacred month and all sacred things are (under the law of) retaliation; whoever then acts aggressively against you, inflict injury on him according to the injury he has inflicted on you and be careful (of your duty) to Allah and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
Set 4
Count 7-9
K 2:216-218
[2.216] Fighting is enjoined on you, and it is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know. [2.217] They ask you concerning the sacred month about fighting in it. Say: Fighting in it is a grave matter, and hindering (men) from Allah's way and denying Him, and (hindering men from) the Sacred Mosque and turning its people out of it, are still graver with Allah, and persecution is graver than slaughter; and they will not cease fighting with you until they turn you back from your religion, if they can; and whoever of you turns back from his religion, then he dies while an unbeliever—these it is whose works shall go for nothing in this world and the hereafter, and they are the inmates of the fire; therein they shall abide. [2.218] Surely those who believed and those who fled (their home) and strove hard in the way of Allah these hope for the mercy of Allah and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Set 5
Count 10
K 2:244
And fight in the way of Allah, and know that Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
Set 6
Count 11-16
K 3:121-126
[3.121] And when you did go forth early in the morning from your family to lodge the believers in encampments for war and Allah is Hearing, Knowing. [3.122] When two parties from among you had determined that they should show cowardice [about Jihad], and Allah was the guardian of them both, and in Allah should the believers trust. [3.123] And Allah did certainly assist you at [the Battle of] Badr when you were weak; be careful of (your duty to) Allah then, that you may give thanks. [3.124] When you said to the believers: Does it not suffice you that your Lord should assist you with three thousand of the angels sent down? [3.125] Yea! if you remain patient and are on your guard, and they come upon you in a headlong manner, your Lord will assist you with five thousand of the havoc-making angels. [3.126] And Allah did not make it but as good news for you, and that your hearts might be at ease thereby, and victory is only from Allah, the Mighty, the Wise.
Set 7
Count 17-20
K 3:140-143
[3.140] If a wound has afflicted you (at [the Battle of] Uhud), a wound like it has also afflicted the (unbelieving) people; and We bring these days to men by turns, and that Allah may know those who believe and take witnesses from among you; and Allah does not love the unjust. [3.141] And that He [Allah] may purge those who believe and deprive the unbelievers of blessings. [3.142] Yusuf Ali: Did ye think that ye would enter Heaven without God testing those of you who fought hard (in His Cause) and remained steadfast? [3.143] Pickthall: And verily ye used to wish for death before ye met it (in the field). Now ye have seen it [death] with your eyes!
Set 8
Count 21
K 3:146
Yusuf Ali: How many of the prophets fought (in Allah’s way) [Jihad], and with them (fought) large bands of godly men? But they never lost heart if they met with disaster in Allah’s way [lost a battle], nor did they weaken (in will) nor give in. And Allah loves those who are firm and steadfast [in Jihad].
Set 9
Count 22-28
K 3:152-158
[3.152] And certainly Allah made good to you His promise when you slew them by His [Allah’s] permission [during a Jihad battle], until when you became weak-hearted and disputed about the affair and disobeyed after He [Allah] had shown you that which you loved; of you were some who desired this world and of you were some who desired the hereafter; then He [Allah] turned you away from them that He might try you; and He has certainly pardoned you, and Allah is Gracious to the believers. [3.153] Pickthall: When ye climbed (the hill) and paid no heed to anyone, while the messenger, in your rear, was calling you (to fight). Therefore He rewarded you grief for (his) grief, that (He might teach) you not to sorrow either for that which ye missed [war spoils] or for that which befell you. Allah is informed of what ye do. [3.154] Then after sorrow He sent down security upon you, a calm coming upon a party of you, and (there was) another party whom their own souls had rendered anxious; they entertained about Allah thoughts of ignorance quite unjustly, saying: We have no hand in the affair. Say: Surely the affair is wholly (in the hands) of Allah. They conceal within their souls what they would not reveal to you. They say: Had we any hand in the affair, we would not have been slain here [in a Jihad battle]. Say: Had you remained in your houses, those for whom slaughter was ordained [in a Jihad battle] would certainly have gone forth to the places where they would be slain, and that Allah might test what was in your breasts and that He might purge what was in your hearts; and Allah knows what is in the breasts. [3.155] (As for) those of you who turned back on the day when the two armies met, only the Satan sought to cause them to make a slip on account of some deeds they had done, and certainly Allah has pardoned them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Forbearing. [3.156] O you who believe! be not like those who disbelieve and say of their brethren when they travel in the earth or engage in fighting: Had they been with us, they would not have died and they would not have been slain; so Allah makes this to be an intense regret in their hearts; and Allah gives life and causes death and Allah sees what you do. [3.157] And if you are slain in the way of Allah or you die, certainly forgiveness from Allah and mercy is better than what they amass [what those who stay home from Jihad receive—no booty and no perks in heaven]. [3.158] And if indeed you die or you are slain, certainly to Allah shall you be gathered together.
Set 10
Count 29-31
K 3:165-167
[3.165] What! when a misfortune befell you, and you had certainly afflicted (the unbelievers) with twice as much [with Jihad], you began to say: Whence is this? Say: It is from yourselves; surely Allah has power over all things. [3.166] And what befell you on the day when the two armies met ([the Battle of] Uhud) was with Allah's knowledge, and that He might know the believers. [3.167] And that He might know the hypocrites; and it was said to them: Come, fight in Allah's way, or defend yourselves. They said: If we knew fighting, we would certainly have followed you. They were on that day much nearer to unbelief than to belief. They say with their mouths what is not in their hearts, and Allah best knows what they conceal.
Set 11
Count 32
K 3:169
And reckon not those who are killed in Allah’s way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord [meaning they are enjoying their 72 virgins in heaven];
Set 12
Count 33+34
K 3:172-173
[3.172] (As for) those who responded (at [the Battle of] Uhud) to the call of Allah and the Apostle after a wound had befallen them, those among them who do good (to others) and guard (against evil) shall have a great reward. [3.173] Those to whom the people said: Surely men have gathered against you [in battle], therefore fear them, but this increased their faith, and they said: Allah is sufficient for us and most excellent is the Protector.
Set 13
Count 35
K 3:195
So their Lord accepted their prayer: That I will not waste the work of a worker among you, whether male or female, the one of you being from the other; they, therefore, who fled and were turned out of their homes and persecuted in My way and who fought and were slain, I will most certainly cover their evil deeds, and I will most certainly make them enter gardens beneath which rivers flow; a reward from Allah, and with Allah is yet better reward.
Set 14
Count 36+37
K 4:071-072
[4.71] O you who believe! take your precaution, then go forth in detachments or go forth in a body [to war]. [4.72] And surely among you is he who would certainly hang back [from Jihad]! If then a misfortune befalls you he says: Surely Allah conferred a benefit on me that I was not present with them [in Jihad].
Set 15
Count 38-41
K 4:074-077
[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward. [4.75] And what reason have you that you should not fight in the way of Allah and of the weak among the men and the women and the children, (of) those who say: Our Lord! cause us to go forth from this town, whose people are oppressors, and give us from Thee a guardian and give us from Thee a helper. [4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Satan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Satan; surely the strategy of the Satan is weak. [4.77] Have you not seen those to whom it was said: Withhold your hands, and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate; but when fighting is prescribed for them, lo! a party of them fear men as they ought to have feared Allah, or (even) with a greater fear, and say: Our Lord! why hast Thou ordained fighting for us? Wherefore didst Thou not grant us a delay to a near end? Say: The provision of this world is short, and the hereafter is better for him who guards (against evil); and you shall not be wronged the husk of a date stone.
Set 16
Count 42
K 4:084
Fight then in Allah's way; this is not imposed on you except in relation to yourself, and rouse the believers to ardor maybe Allah will restrain the fighting of those who disbelieve and Allah is strongest in prowess and strongest to give an exemplary punishment.
Set 17
Count 43-45
K 4:089-091
[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back [to their homes], then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper. [4.90] Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them [Allah supposedly does not allow Muslims to fight people friendly to Muslims]. [4.91] You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given you a clear authority.
Set 18
Count 46+47
K 4:094-095
[4.94] O you who believe! when you go to war in Allah's way, make investigation, and do not say to any one who offers you peace: You are not a believer. Do you seek goods of this world's life! [Meaning that Muslim ought not say someone is a non-Muslim just to plunder him.] But with Allah there are abundant gains; you too were such before, then Allah conferred a benefit on you; therefore make investigation; surely Allah is aware of what you do. [4.95] The holders back from among the believers, not having any injury, and those who strive hard [Jihad] in Allah's way with their property and their persons are not equal; Allah has made the strivers with their property and their persons to excel the holders back a (high) degree, and to each (class) Allah has promised good; and Allah shall grant to the strivers [i.e., Jihadist] above the holders back a mighty reward:
Set 19
Count 48-52
K 4:100-104
[4.100] And whoever flies in Allah's way [forsakes his home to fight in Jihad], he will find in the earth many a place of refuge and abundant resources, and whoever goes forth from his house flying to Allah and His Apostle, and then death overtakes him [in Jihad], his reward is indeed with Allah and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. [4.101] Rodwell: And when ye go forth to war in the land, it shall be no crime in you to cut short your prayers, if ye fear lest the infidels come upon you; Verily, the infidels are your undoubted enemies! [4.102] And when you are among them and keep up the prayer for them, let a party of them stand up with you, and let them take their arms; then when they have prostrated themselves let them go to your rear, and let another party who have not prayed come forward and pray with you, and let them take their precautions and their arms; (for) those who disbelieve desire that you may be careless of your arms and your luggage, so that they may then turn upon you with a sudden united attack, and there is no blame on you, if you are annoyed with rain or if you are sick, that you lay down your arms, and take your precautions; surely Allah has prepared a disgraceful chastisement for the unbelievers. [4.103] Khalifa: Once you complete your Contact Prayer (Salat), you shall remember GOD while standing, sitting, or lying down. Once the war is over, you shall observe the Contact Prayers (Salat); the Contact Prayers (Salat) are decreed for the believers at specific times. [4.104] And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain, and you hope from Allah what they do not hope; and Allah is Knowing, Wise.
Set 20
53
K 4:141
Sher Ali: Those who await your ruin. If you have a victory [in Jihad] from Allah, they say, ‘Were we not with you?’ And if the disbelievers have a share of it, they say to them, ‘Did we not on a previous occasion get the better of you and save you from the believers?’ Allah will judge between you on the day of Resurrection; and Allah will not grant the disbelievers a way to prevail against the believers.
see next post
Echo2
01-19-2005, 02:06 PM
Set 21
Count 54
K 5:033
The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned [Pickthall and Yusuf Ali have “exiled” rather than “imprisoned”]; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,
Set 22
Count 55
K 5:035
O you who believe! be careful of (your duty to) Allah and seek means of nearness to Him and strive hard [at Jihad] in His way that you may be successful.
Set 23
Count 56
K 5:082
Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews [compare “ with “whenever Jews kindle fire for war, Allah [Muslims] puts it out” (K 005:064)] and those who are polytheists [while they are converted to Islam on pain of death]…
Set 24
Count 57
K 8:001
Pickthall: They ask thee (O Muhammad) of the spoils of war. Say: The spoils of war belong to Allah and the messenger, so keep your duty to Allah, and adjust the matter of your difference, and obey Allah and His messenger, if ye are (true) believers.
Set 25
Count 58
K 8:005
Even as your Lord caused you to go forth from your house with the truth, though a party of the believers were surely averse;
Set 26
Count 59
K 8:007
Yusuf Ali: Behold! Allah promised you one of the two (enemy) parties, that it should be yours: Ye wished that the one unarmed should be yours, but Allah willed to justify the Truth according to His words and to cut off the roots of the Unbelievers;
Set 27
Count 60+61
K 8:009-010
When you sought aid from your Lord [at the Battle of Badr], so He answered you: I will assist you [in Jihad] with a thousand of the angels following one another [see K 008:012]. [8.10] And Allah only gave it as a good news and that your hearts might be at ease thereby; and victory is only from Allah; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.
Set 28
Count 62
K 8:012
When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
Set 29
Count 63-65
K 8:015-017
[8.15] O you who believe! when you meet those who disbelieve marching for war, then turn not your backs to them. [8.16] And whoever shall turn his back to them on that day—unless he turn aside for the sake of fighting or withdraws to a company—then he, indeed, becomes deserving of Allah's wrath, and his abode is hell; and an evil destination shall it be. [8.17] So you did not slay them, but it was Allah Who slew them, and you did not smite when you smote (the enemy), but it was Allah Who smote [Allah gets the credit for Jihad], and that He might confer upon the believers a good gift from Himself; surely Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
Set 30
Count 66-75
K 8:039-048
[8.39] Shakir: And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do. [8.40] Yusuf Ali: If they [unbelievers] refuse [to stop fighting], be sure that God is your Protector—the best to protect and the best to help. [8.41] Shakir: And know that whatever thing [loot] you gain, a fifth of it is for Allah and for the Apostle and for the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer, if you believe in Allah and in that which We revealed to Our servant, on the day of distinction, the day on which the two parties met [in a Jihad versus anti-Jihad battle]; and Allah has power over all things. [8.42] When you were on the nearer side (of the valley) and they were on the farthest side, while the caravan was in a lower place than you [the Makkan caravan the Muslims robbed]; and if you had mutually made an appointment, you would certainly have broken away from the appointment, but—in order that Allah might bring about a matter which was to be done, that he who would perish might perish by clear proof [bring success to Muslims engaged in robbing a caravan near Badr against all the odds], and he who would live might live by clear proof; and most surely Allah is Hearing, Knowing; [8.43] When Allah showed them [the Makkans] to you in your dream as few [fighters]; and if He had shown them [the Makkans] to you as many [fighters] you would certainly have become weak-hearted [i.e., hearts. See the similar discussion in K 002:249 about how a smaller army can defeat a larger army] and you would have disputed about the matter, but Allah saved (you); surely He is the Knower of what is in the breasts. [8.44] And when He showed them to you, when you met, as few [fighters] in your eyes and He made you to appear little [few fighters] in their eyes, in order that Allah might bring about a matter which was to be done [a Jihad versus anti-Jihad battle brought on by overconfidence in each side], and to Allah are all affairs returned. [8.45] O you who believe! when you meet a party [in battle], then be firm, and remember Allah much, that you may be successful. [8.46] And obey Allah and His Apostle and do not quarrel for then you will be weak in hearts [demoralized] and your power [to execute Jihad] will depart, and be patient; surely Allah is with the patient. [8.47] And be not like those [Makkans] who came forth from their homes [to fight Muslims] in great exultation and to be seen of men, and (who) turn away from the way of Allah, and Allah comprehends what they do. [8.48] And when the Satan made their works fair seeming to them, and [Satan] said [to the Makkans]: No one can overcome you this day, and surely I [Satan] am your protector: but when the two parties [Muslims versus Makkans] came in sight of each other he [Satan] turned upon his heels, and [Satan] said: Surely I am clear of you [the Makkans], surely I see what you do not see [Allah’s angels], surely I fear Allah; and Allah is severe in requiting (evil).
Set 31
Count 76-79
K 8:057-060
Pickthall: [8.57] If thou come on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember. [8.58] Khalifa: When you are betrayed by a group of people, you shall mobilize against them in the same manner. GOD does not love the betrayers. [8.59]Shakir: And let not those who disbelieve think that they shall come in first; surely they will not escape. [8.60] And prepare against them what force you can and horses tied at the frontier, to frighten thereby the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them, whom you do not know (but) Allah knows them; and whatever thing you will spend in Allah’s way [for Jihad], it will be paid back to you fully and you shall not be dealt with unjustly.
Set 32
Count 80-90
K 8:065-075
[8.65] O Prophet! urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a hundred of you they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they are a people who do not understand [in other words, do not understand totalitarian ideologies like Islam]. [8.66] For the present Allah has made light your burden, and He knows that there is weakness in you; so if there are a hundred patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a thousand they shall overcome two thousand by Allah's permission, and Allah is with the patient. [8.67] It is not fit for a prophet that he should take captives unless he has fought and triumphed in the land; you desire the frail goods [i.e., ransom money] of this world, while Allah desires (for you) the hereafter; and Allah is Mighty, Wise. [8.68] Had it not been for a previous ordainment [i.e., the revelation of K 008:067] from God, a severe penalty would have reached you for the (ransom) that you took [or better, “would have taken”]. [8.69] Eat then of the lawful and good (things) which you have acquired in war [war spoils], and be careful of (your duty to) Allah; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. [8.70] O Prophet! say to those of the captives [non-Muslims] who are in your hands: If Allah knows anything good in your hearts, He will give to you better than that which has been taken away from you [in Jihad] and will forgive you, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. [8.71] Yusuf Ali: But if they have treacherous designs against thee, (O Apostle!), they have already been in treason against God, and so hath [has] He [Allah] given (thee) power over them. And God so He Who hath (full) knowledge and wisdom. [8.72] Yusuf Ali: Those who believed, and adopted exile, and fought for the Faith, with their property and their persons, in the cause of God, as well as those who gave (them) asylum and aid, - these are (all) friends and protectors, one of another. As to those who believed but came not into exile, ye [you] owe no duty of protection to them until they come into exile; but if they seek your aid in religion, it is your duty to help them, except against a people with whom ye have a treaty of mutual alliance. And (remember) God seeth [sees] all that ye do. [8.73] Yusuf Ali: The Unbelievers are protectors, one of another: Unless ye do this, (protect each other), there would be tumult and oppression on earth, and great mischief. [8.74] Yusuf Ali: Those who believe, and adopt exile, and fight for the Faith, in the cause of God as well as those who give (them) asylum and aid, - these are (all) in very truth the Believers: for them is the forgiveness of sins and a provision most generous. [8.75] Yusuf Ali: And those who accept Faith subsequently, and adopt exile, and fight for the Faith in your company,—they are of you. But kindred by blood have prior rights against each other in the Book of God. Verily God is well acquainted with all things.
Set 33
Count 91
K 9:005
So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Set 34
Count 92-94
K 9:012-014
[9.12] And if they break their oaths after their agreement and (openly) revile your religion, then fight the leaders of unbelief—surely their oaths are nothing—so that they may desist. [9.13] What! will you not fight a people who broke their oaths and aimed at the expulsion of the Apostle, and they attacked you first; do you fear them? But Allah is most deserving that you should fear Him, if you are believers. [9.14] Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them and heal the hearts of a believing people.
Set 35
Count 95
K 9:016
What! do you think that you will be left alone while Allah has not yet known those of you who have struggled hard [Jihad] and have not taken any one as an adherent besides Allah and His Apostle and the believers; and Allah is aware of what you do.
Set 36
Count 96+97
K 9:019-020
[9.19] What! do you make (one who undertakes) the giving of drink to the pilgrims and the guarding of the Sacred Mosque like him who believes in Allah and the latter day and strives hard in Allah's way [Jihad]? They are not equal with Allah; and Allah does not guide the unjust people. [9.20] Those who believed and fled (their homes), and strove hard [Jihad] in Allah's way with their property and their souls, are much higher in rank with Allah; and those are they who are the achievers (of their objects).
Set 37
Count 98-100
K 9:024-026
[9.24] Say: If your fathers and your sons and your brethren and your mates and your kinsfolk and property which you have acquired, and the slackness of trade which you fear and dwellings which you like, are dearer to you than Allah and His Apostle and striving in His way [Jihad]:, then wait till Allah brings about His command [to go on Jihad]: and Allah does not guide the transgressing people. [9.25] Certainly Allah helped you in many battlefields and on the day of [the Battle of] Hunain, when your great numbers made you vain, but they availed you nothing and the earth became strait to you notwithstanding its spaciousness, then you turned back retreating. [9.26] Then Allah sent down His tranquility upon His Apostle and upon the believers, and sent down hosts which you did not see, and chastised those who disbelieved [Muhammad gives credit to angels and Allah for the actions of Jihadists], and that is the reward of the unbelievers.
Set 38
Count 101
K 9:029
Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
Set 39
Count 102
K 9:036
Surely the number of months with Allah is twelve months in Allah's ordinance since the day when He created the heavens and the earth, of these four being sacred; that is the right reckoning; therefore be not unjust to yourselves regarding them, and fight the polytheists all together as they fight you all together; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
Set 40
Count 103+104
K 9:038-039
[9.38] O you who believe! What (excuse) have you that when it is said to you: Go forth in Allah's way [to Jihad], you should incline heavily to earth; are you contented with this world's life instead of the hereafter? But the provision of this world's life compared with the hereafter is but little. [9.38] If you do not go forth [to go on Jihad], He will chastise you with a painful chastisement and bring in your place a people other than you [to go on Jihad], and you will do Him no harm; and Allah has power over all things.
Set 41
Count 105
K 9:041
Go forth lightly [lightly armed] and heavy [heavily armed], and strive hard in Allah's way [Jihad] with your property and your persons; this is better for you, if you know.
Set 42
Count 106
K 9:044
They do not ask leave of you who believe in Allah and the latter day (to stay away) from striving hard with their property and their persons [Jihad], and Allah knows those who guard (against evil).
Set 43
Count 107
K 9:052
Say: Do you await for us but one of two most excellent things? And we await for you that Allah will afflict you with punishment from Himself or by our hands. So wait; we too will wait with you.
Set 44
Count 108
K 9:073
O Prophet! strive hard [Jihad] against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.
Set 45
Count 109
K 9:081
Those who were left behind were glad on account of their sitting behind Allah's Apostle and they were averse from striving m Allah's way [Jihad] with their property and their persons, and said: Do not go forth [to Jihad] in the heat. Say: The fire of hell is much severe in heat. Would that they understood (it).
Set 46
Count 110
K 9:083
Therefore if Allah brings you back to a party of them and then they ask your permission to go forth, say: By no means shall you ever go forth with me and by no means shall you fight an enemy with me [in Jihad]; surely you chose to sit the first time, therefore sit (now) with those who remain behind.
Set 47
Count 111
K 9:086
And whenever a chapter is revealed, saying: Believe in Allah and strive hard [in Jihad] along with His Apostle, those having ampleness of means ask permission of you and say: Leave us (behind), that we may be with those who sit.
Set 48
Count 112
K 9:088
But the Apostle and those who believe with him strive hard [in Jihad] with their property and their persons; and these it is who shall have the good things and these it is who shall be successful.
Set 49
Count 113
K 9:092
Yusuf Ali: Nor (is there blame) on those who came to thee to be provided with mounts [saddles on which to go to war], and when thou said, "I can find no mounts for you," they turned back, their eyes streaming with tears of grief that they had no resources wherewith to provide the expenses [to go on Jihad].
Set 50
Count 114
K 9:111
Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain; a promise which is binding on Him in the Taurat and the Injeel and the Quran; and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? Rejoice therefore in the pledge which you have made; and that is the mighty achievement.
Set 51
Count 115
K 9:120
Yusuf Ali: It was not fitting for the people of Medina and the Bedouin Arabs of the neighborhood, to refuse to follow Allah's Messenger, nor to prefer their own lives to his: because nothing could they suffer or do, but was reckoned to their credit as a deed of righteousness,- whether they suffered thirst, or fatigue, or hunger, in the cause of Allah [while on a march to Jihad], or trod paths to raise the ire of the Unbelievers [invade their territory], or received any injury whatever from an enemy [during a Jihad battle]: for Allah suffers not the reward to be lost of those who do good;
Set 52
Count 116+117
K 9:122-123
[9.122] Pickthall: And the believers should not all go out to fight. Of every troop of them, a party only should go forth, that they (who are left behind) may gain sound knowledge in religion, and that they may warn their folk when they return to them, so that they may beware. [9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
Set 53
Count 118
K 16:110
Yusuf Ali: But verily thy Lord,- to those who leave their homes after trials and persecutions,- and who thereafter strive and fight for the faith and patiently persevere,- Thy Lord, after all this is oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
Set 54
Count 119
K 22:039
Permission (to fight) is given to those upon whom war is made because they are oppressed, and most surely Allah is well able to assist them;
See next post
Echo2
01-19-2005, 02:07 PM
Set 55
Count 120
K 22:058
Sher Ali: And those who leave their homes for the cause of Allah, and are then slain or die, Allah will, surely, provide for them a goodly provision. And, surely, Allah is the Best of providers.
Set 56
Count 121
K 22:078
And strive hard [in Jihad] in (the way of) Allah, (such) a striving a is due to Him; He has chosen you and has not laid upon you a hardship in religion; the faith of your father Ibrahim; He named you Muslims before and in this, that the Messenger may be a bearer of witness to you, and you may be bearers of witness to the people; therefore keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and hold fast by Allah; He is your Guardian; how excellent the Guardian and how excellent the Helper!
Set 57
Count 122
K 24:053
And they swear by Allah with the most energetic of their oaths that if you command them they would certainly go forth [to Jihad (see K 024:055)]. Say: Swear not; reasonable obedience (is desired); surely Allah is aware of what you do.
Set 58
Count 123
K 24:055
Allah has promised to those of you who believe and do good that He will most certainly make them rulers in the earth [as a reward for going on Jihad (see K 024:053)] as He made rulers those before them, and that He will most certainly establish for them their religion which He has chosen for them, and that He will most certainly, after their fear, give them security in exchange; they shall serve Me, not associating aught with Me; and whoever is ungrateful after this, these it is who are the transgressors.
Set 59
Count 124
K 25:052
Palmer: So obey not the unbelievers and fight strenuously with them in many a strenuous fight.
Set 60
Count 125
K 29:006
And whoever strives hard [in Jihad], he strives only for his own soul; most surely Allah is Self-sufficient, above (need of) the worlds.
Set 61
Count 126
K 29:069
And (as for) those who strive hard [in Jihad] for Us, We will most certainly guide them in Our ways; and Allah is most surely with the doers of good.
Set 62
Count 127
K 33:015
Pickthall: And verily they had already sworn unto Allah that they would not turn their backs (to the foe) [in Jihad battle]. An oath to Allah must be answered for.
Set 63
Count 128
K 33:018
And they [Muslims] give food out of love for Him [Allah] to the poor and the orphan and the captive [of Jihad]…
Allah knows indeed those among you who hinder others and those who say to their brethren: Come to us; and they come not to the fight [Jihad] but a little,
Set 64
Count 129
K 33:020
They think the allies are not gone, and if the allies should come (again) they would fain [gladly] be in the deserts with the desert Arabs asking for news about you, and if they were among you they would not fight save a little [in Jihad].
Set 65
Count 130
K 33:023
Pickthall: Of the believers are men who are true to that which they covenanted with Allah. Some of them have paid their vow by death (in battle), and some of them still are waiting; and they have not altered in the least.
Set 66
Count 131-133
K 33:25-27
[33.25] And Allah turned back the unbelievers in their rage; they did not obtain any advantage, and Allah sufficed the believers in fighting; and Allah is Strong, Mighty. [33.26] And He drove down those of the followers of the Book who backed them from their fortresses and He cast awe into their hearts; some [Jews] you killed and you took captive another part. [33.27] And He made you heirs to their [Jewish] land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things.
Set 67
Count 134
K 33:050
O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those [captive women] whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her—specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Set 68
Count 135
K 42:039
Sale:…and who, when an injury is done them, avenge themselves…
Set 69
Count 136
K 47:004
So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.
Set 70
Count 137
K 47:020
And those who believe say: Why has not a chapter been revealed? But when a decisive chapter is revealed, and fighting [allusion to Jihad] is mentioned therein you see those in whose hearts is a disease look to you with the look of one fainting because of death. Woe to them then!
Set 71
Count 138
K 47:035
Rodwell: Be not fainthearted then; and invite not the infidels to peace when ye have the upper hand: for God is with you, and will not defraud you of the recompense of your works.
Set 72
Count 139-148
K 48:15-24
[48.15] Pickthall: Those who were left behind will say, when ye set forth to capture booty: Let us go with you. They fain would change the verdict of Allah. Say (unto them, O Muhammad): Ye shall not go with us. Thus hath Allah said beforehand. Then they will say: Ye are envious of us. Nay, but they understand not, save a little. [48.16] Shakir: Say to those of the dwellers of the desert who were left behind: You shall soon be invited (to fight) against a people possessing mighty prowess; you will fight against them until they submit; then if you obey, Allah will grant you a good reward [booty]; and if you turn back as you turned back before, He will punish you with a painful punishment. [48.17] Pickthall: There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger [by going on Jihad], He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back [from Jihad], him will He punish with a painful doom. [48.18] Certainly Allah was well pleased with the believers when they swore allegiance to you under the tree, and He knew what was in their hearts, so He sent down tranquility on them and rewarded them with a near victory, [48.19] And much booty that they will capture. Allah is ever Mighty, Wise. [48.20] Allah promised you many acquisitions which you will take, then He hastened on this one for you and held back the hands of men from you, and that it may be a sign for the believers and that He may guide you on a right path. [48.21] Sale: And [he also promiseth you] other [spoils], which ye have not [yet] been able [to take]: But now hath God encompassed them [for you]; and God is almighty. [48.22] And if those who disbelieve fight with you, they would certainly turn (their) backs, then they would not find any protector or a helper. [48.23] Such [i.e., the Jihad mentioned the previous verse] has been the course [practice] of Allah that has indeed run before, and you shall not find a change in Allah’s course. [48.24] And He [Allah] it is Who held back their hands from you and your hands from them [in Jihad] in the valley of Mecca after He had given you victory over them; and Allah is Seeing what you do.
Set 73
Count 149
K 49:015
Sale: Verily the true believers [are] those only who believe in God and his apostle, and afterwards doubt not; and who employ their substance and their persons in the defense of God's true religion: These are they who speak sincerely.
Set 74
Count 150
K 59:002
He it is Who caused those who disbelieved of the followers of the Book to go forth from their homes at the first banishment you did not think that they would go forth, while they were certain that their fortresses would defend them against Allah; but Allah came to them whence they did not expect, and cast terror into their hearts; they demolished their houses with their own hands and the hands of the believers [i.e. Muslims demolished Jewish homes]; therefore take a lesson, O you who have eyes!
Set 75
Count 151-154
K 59:5-8
Pickthall:[59.5] Whatsoever palm-trees you cut—cut down or left standing on their roots [during a Jihad siege of the Jews at Madina], it was by Allah’s leave, in order that He might confound the evil-livers [Jews]. [59.6] And that which Allah gave as spoil unto His messenger from them, you urged not any horse or riding-camel for the sake thereof, but Allah gives His messenger lordship over whom He will. Allah is Able to do all things. [59.7] That which Allah gives as [war] spoil unto His messenger from the people of the townships [Jews], it is for Allah and His messenger and for the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer, that it become not a commodity between the rich among you. And whatsoever [spoils] the messenger gives you, take it. And whatsoever he forbids, abstain (from it). And keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is stern in reprisal. [59.8] And (it is) for the poor fugitives who have been driven out from their homes and their belongings, who seek bounty [war spoils] from Allah and help Allah and His messenger. They are the loyal.
Set 76
Count 155
K 59:014
They will not fight against you in a body save in fortified towns or from behind walls; their fighting between them is severe, you may think them as one body, and their hearts are disunited; that is because they are a people who have no sense.
Set 77
Count 156
K 60:009
Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of (your) religion [i.e., no fraternizing with the enemy], and drove you forth from your homes and backed up (others) in your expulsion, that you make friends with them, and whoever makes friends with them, these are the unjust.
Set 78
Count 157
K 61:004
Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way in ranks as if they were a firm and compact wall.
Set 79
Count 158
K 61:011
You shall believe in Allah and His Apostle, and struggle hard in Allah’s way [Jihad] with your property and your lives; that is better for you, did you but know!
Set 80
Count 159
K 61:013
And yet another (blessing) that you love: help from Allah and a victory [in Jihad] near at hand; and give good news to the believers.
Set 81
Count 160
K 63:004
And when you see them, their persons will please you, and If they speak, you will listen to their speech; (they are) as if they were big pieces of wood clad with garments; they think every cry to be against them. They are the enemy, therefore beware of them; may Allah destroy them, whence are they turned back? [This verse speaks of internecine Jihad against Muslims deemed infidels or “hypocrites.”]
Set 82
Count 161
K 64:014
O you who believe! surely from among your wives and your children there is an enemy to you; therefore beware of them [collaborators with the enemy, especially if the women were once war spoils]; and if you pardon and forbear and forgive, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Set 83
Count 162
K 66:009
O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be hard against them; and their abode is hell; and evil is the resort.
Set 84
Count 163
K 73:020
Surely your Lord knows that you pass in prayer nearly two-thirds of the night, and (sometimes) half of it, and (sometimes) a third of it, and (also) a party of those with you; and Allah measures the night and the day. He knows that you are not able to do it, so He has turned to you (mercifully), therefore read what is easy of the Quran. He knows that there must be among you sick, and others who travel in the land seeking of the bounty of Allah, and others who fight in Allah's way, therefore read as much of it as is easy (to you), and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and offer to Allah a goodly gift, and whatever of good you send on beforehand for yourselves, you will find it with Allah; that is best and greatest in reward; and ask forgiveness of Allah; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Set 85
Count 164
K 76:008
And they [Muslims] give food out of love for Him [Allah] to the poor and the orphan and the captive [of Jihad]…
Yusuf Ali: Nor (is there blame) on those who came to thee to be provided with mounts [saddles on which to go to war], and when thou said, "I can find no mounts for you," they turned back, their eyes streaming with tears of grief that they had no resources wherewith to provide the expenses [to go on Jihad].
Set 50
Count 114
K 9:111
Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain; a promise which is binding on Him in the Taurat and the Injeel and the Quran; and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? Rejoice therefore in the pledge which you have made; and that is the mighty achievement.
Set 51
Count 115
K 9:120
Yusuf Ali: It was not fitting for the people of Medina and the Bedouin Arabs of the neighborhood, to refuse to follow Allah's Messenger, nor to prefer their own lives to his: because nothing could they suffer or do, but was reckoned to their credit as a deed of righteousness,- whether they suffered thirst, or fatigue, or hunger, in the cause of Allah [while on a march to Jihad], or trod paths to raise the ire of the Unbelievers [invade their territory], or received any injury whatever from an enemy [during a Jihad battle]: for Allah suffers not the reward to be lost of those
who do good;
see next post
Echo2
01-19-2005, 02:08 PM
Set 52
Count 116+117
K 9:122-123
[9.122] Pickthall: And the believers should not all go out to fight. Of every troop of them, a party only should go forth, that they (who are left behind) may gain sound knowledge in religion, and that they may warn their folk when they return to them, so that they may beware. [9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
Set 53
Count 118
K 16:110
Yusuf Ali: But verily thy Lord,- to those who leave their homes after trials and persecutions,- and who thereafter strive and fight for the faith and patiently persevere,- Thy Lord, after all this is oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
Set 54
Count 119
K 22:039
Permission (to fight) is given to those upon whom war is made because they are oppressed, and most surely Allah is well able to assist them;
Set 55
Count 120
K 22:058
Sher Ali: And those who leave their homes for the cause of Allah, and are then slain or die, Allah will, surely, provide for them a goodly provision. And, surely, Allah is the Best of providers.
Set 56
Count 121
K 22:078
And strive hard [in Jihad] in (the way of) Allah, (such) a striving a is due to Him; He has chosen you and has not laid upon you a hardship in religion; the faith of your father Ibrahim; He named you Muslims before and in this, that the Messenger may be a bearer of witness to you, and you may be bearers of witness to the people; therefore keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and hold fast by Allah; He is your Guardian; how excellent the Guardian and how excellent the Helper!
Set 57
Count 122
K 24:053
And they swear by Allah with the most energetic of their oaths that if you command them they would certainly go forth [to Jihad (see K 024:055)]. Say: Swear not; reasonable obedience (is desired); surely Allah is aware of what you do.
Set 58
Count 123
K 24:055
Allah has promised to those of you who believe and do good that He will most certainly make them rulers in the earth [as a reward for going on Jihad (see K 024:053)] as He made rulers those before them, and that He will most certainly establish for them their religion which He has chosen for them, and that He will most certainly, after their fear, give them security in exchange; they shall serve Me, not associating aught with Me; and whoever is ungrateful after this, these it is who are the transgressors.
Set 59
Count 124
K 25:052
Palmer: So obey not the unbelievers and fight strenuously with them in many a strenuous fight.
Set 60
Count 125
K 29:006
And whoever strives hard [in Jihad], he strives only for his own soul; most surely Allah is Self-sufficient, above (need of) the worlds.
Set 61
Count 126
K 29:069
And (as for) those who strive hard [in Jihad] for Us, We will most certainly guide them in Our ways; and Allah is most surely with the doers of good.
Set 62
Count 127
K 33:015
Pickthall: And verily they had already sworn unto Allah that they would not turn their backs (to the foe) [in Jihad battle]. An oath to Allah must be answered for.
Set 63
Count 128
K 33:018
Allah knows indeed those among you who hinder others and those who say to their brethren: Come to us; and they come not to the fight [Jihad] but a little,
Set 64
Count 129
K 33:020
They think the allies are not gone, and if the allies should come (again) they would fain [gladly] be in the deserts with the desert Arabs asking for news about you, and if they were among you they would not fight save a little [in Jihad].
Set 65
Count 130
K 33:023
Pickthall: Of the believers are men who are true to that which they covenanted with Allah. Some of them have paid their vow by death (in battle), and some of them still are waiting; and they have not altered in the least.
Set 66
Count 131-133
K 33:25-27
[33.25] And Allah turned back the unbelievers in their rage; they did not obtain any advantage, and Allah sufficed the believers in fighting; and Allah is Strong, Mighty. [33.26] And He drove down those of the followers of the Book who backed them from their fortresses and He cast awe into their hearts; some [Jews] you killed and you took captive another part. [33.27] And He made you heirs to their [Jewish] land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things.
Set 67
Count 134
K 33:050
O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those [captive women] whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her—specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Set 68
Count 135
K 42:039
Sale:…and who, when an injury is done them, avenge themselves…
Set 69
Count 136
K 47:004
So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.
Set 70
Count 137
K 47:020
And those who believe say: Why has not a chapter been revealed? But when a decisive chapter is revealed, and fighting [allusion to Jihad] is mentioned therein you see those in whose hearts is a disease look to you with the look of one fainting because of death. Woe to them then!
Set 71
Count 138
K 47:035
Rodwell: Be not fainthearted then; and invite not the infidels to peace when ye have the upper hand: for God is with you, and will not defraud you of the recompense of your works.
Set 72
Count 139-148
K 48:15-24
[48.15] Pickthall: Those who were left behind will say, when ye set forth to capture booty: Let us go with you. They fain would change the verdict of Allah. Say (unto them, O Muhammad): Ye shall not go with us. Thus hath Allah said beforehand. Then they will say: Ye are envious of us. Nay, but they understand not, save a little. [48.16] Shakir: Say to those of the dwellers of the desert who were left behind: You shall soon be invited (to fight) against a people possessing mighty prowess; you will fight against them until they submit; then if you obey, Allah will grant you a good reward [booty]; and if you turn back as you turned back before, He will punish you with a painful punishment. [48.17] Pickthall: There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger [by going on Jihad], He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back [from Jihad], him will He punish with a painful doom. [48.18] Certainly Allah was well pleased with the believers when they swore allegiance to you under the tree, and He knew what was in their hearts, so He sent down tranquility on them and rewarded them with a near victory, [48.19] And much booty that they will capture. Allah is ever Mighty, Wise. [48.20] Allah promised you many acquisitions which you will take, then He hastened on this one for you and held back the hands of men from you, and that it may be a sign for the believers and that He may guide you on a right path. [48.21] Sale: And [he also promiseth you] other [spoils], which ye have not [yet] been able [to take]: But now hath God encompassed them [for you]; and God is almighty. [48.22] And if those who disbelieve fight with you, they would certainly turn (their) backs, then they would not find any protector or a helper. [48.23] Such [i.e., the Jihad mentioned the previous verse] has been the course [practice] of Allah that has indeed run before, and you shall not find a change in Allah’s course. [48.24] And He [Allah] it is Who held back their hands from you and your hands from them [in Jihad] in the valley of Mecca after He had given you victory over them; and Allah is Seeing what you do.
Set 73
Count 149
K 49:015
Sale: Verily the true believers [are] those only who believe in God and his apostle, and afterwards doubt not; and who employ their substance and their persons in the defense of God's true religion: These are they who speak sincerely.
Set 74
Count 150
K 59:002
He it is Who caused those who disbelieved of the followers of the Book to go forth from their homes at the first banishment you did not think that they would go forth, while they were certain that their fortresses would defend them against Allah; but Allah came to them whence they did not expect, and cast terror into their hearts; they demolished their houses with their own hands and the hands of the believers [i.e. Muslims demolished Jewish homes]; therefore take a lesson, O you who have eyes!
Set 75
Count 151-154
K 59:5-8
Pickthall:[59.5] Whatsoever palm-trees you cut—cut down or left standing on their roots [during a Jihad siege of the Jews at Madina], it was by Allah’s leave, in order that He might confound the evil-livers [Jews]. [59.6] And that which Allah gave as spoil unto His messenger from them, you urged not any horse or riding-camel for the sake thereof, but Allah gives His messenger lordship over whom He will. Allah is Able to do all things. [59.7] That which Allah gives as [war] spoil unto His messenger from the people of the townships [Jews], it is for Allah and His messenger and for the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer, that it become not a commodity between the rich among you. And whatsoever [spoils] the messenger gives you, take it. And whatsoever he forbids, abstain (from it). And keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is stern in reprisal. [59.8] And (it is) for the poor fugitives who have been driven out from their homes and their belongings, who seek bounty [war spoils] from Allah and help Allah and His messenger. They are the loyal.
Set 76
Count 155
K 59:014
They will not fight against you in a body save in fortified towns or from behind walls; their fighting between them is severe, you may think them as one body, and their hearts are disunited; that is because they are a people who have no sense.
Set 77
Count 156
K 60:009
Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of (your) religion [i.e., no fraternizing with the enemy], and drove you forth from your homes and backed up (others) in your expulsion, that you make friends with them, and whoever makes friends with them, these are the unjust.
Set 78
Count 157
K 61:004
Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way in ranks as if they were a firm and compact wall.
Set 79
Count 158
K 61:011
You shall believe in Allah and His Apostle, and struggle hard in Allah’s way [Jihad] with your property and your lives; that is better for you, did you but know!
Set 80
Count 159
K 61:013
And yet another (blessing) that you love: help from Allah and a victory [in Jihad] near at hand; and give good news to the believers.
Set 81
Count 160
K 63:004
And when you see them, their persons will please you, and If they speak, you will listen to their speech; (they are) as if they were big pieces of wood clad with garments; they think every cry to be against them. They are the enemy, therefore beware of them; may Allah destroy them, whence are they turned back? [This verse speaks of internecine Jihad against Muslims deemed infidels or “hypocrites.”]
Set 82
Count 161
K 64:014
O you who believe! surely from among your wives and your children there is an enemy to you; therefore beware of them [collaborators with the enemy, especially if the women were once war spoils]; and if you pardon and forbear and forgive, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Set 83
Count 162
K 66:009
O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be hard against them; and their abode is hell; and evil is the resort.
Set 84
Count 163
K 73:020
Surely your Lord knows that you pass in prayer nearly two-thirds of the night, and (sometimes) half of it, and (sometimes) a third of it, and (also) a party of those with you; and Allah measures the night and the day. He knows that you are not able to do it, so He has turned to you (mercifully), therefore read what is easy of the Quran. He knows that there must be among you sick, and others who travel in the land seeking of the bounty of Allah, and others who fight in Allah's way, therefore read as much of it as is easy (to you), and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and offer to Allah a goodly gift, and whatever of good you send on beforehand for yourselves, you will find it with Allah; that is best and greatest in reward; and ask forgiveness of Allah; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Set 85
Count 164
K 76:008
Echo2
01-19-2005, 04:31 PM
Violence and the KORAN however is not the opic of this string.
Womens liberation and Islam.
The prophet Mohammed (may he rest in peace) once said: "A cheap rug is more valuable in a man's home than a woman"
-- From the Hadith recorded by (off-site) Sahih Al-Bukhari.
"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance):... "
The Book of Women 4.34
Translated by A. Yusufali
She does not travel except with a mahram.
One of the rulings of Islam concerning women is that a woman should not travel without a mahram, because travel is full of dangers and hardships and it is not right for a woman to face all this alone, without a mahram to protect her and take care of her. So the Prophet (PBUH) forbade women to travel alone without a mahram; this is recorded in numerous Hadith, but it will suffice to quote just two of them here:
"A woman should not travel for three days except with a mahram."92
"It is not permitted for a woman who believes in Allah (SWT) and the Last Day to travel the walking-distance of three days without a mahram."93
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The existence of her child was all the evidence the judge needed.
"We uphold your conviction of death by stoning as prescribed by the Sharia" (Iislamic law).
An Islamic appeal court has upheld a sentence of death by stoning for adultery against a Nigerian woman.
Amina Lawal, 30, was found guilty by a court in Katsina state in March after bearing a child outside marriage.
(BBC Aug. 19. 2002)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2202111.stm
Innocent Sweety
01-21-2005, 07:26 AM
Hooligan2004uk
Did u even read the article I posted?
~Sal~
Hello Sal
My parents are free thinkers too, they too believe that everything should be questioned, for that is faith; you believe for a reason. I believe in that too, I think it's a healthy thing.
It's wonderful to see that your parents raised you with this belief.
Muslims believe that Islam is the religion to be followed. The literal meaning of the word "Islam" is surrendering oneself for God, THAT is what we believe to be the true religion. If someone surrended him/herself to God, then that's a first class ticket to heaven.
How?
By becoming a Muslim (a person who surrenders him/herself to God and does all that God orders).
Of course, some might not know about Islam. Those people, if they are true at heart and believe in the power of the Almighty and pray to Him and try and get close by all possible means, will of course go to heaven as well.
Echo2
Some of the things you quoted are not of reliable sources, others have meanings and explanations.
I don't have time to post a long reply now, as I'm busy with the Eid festives and what not.
I'll post a reply as soon as I ;) can.
Innocent Sweety
01-25-2005, 12:46 AM
Originally posted by Echo2
Some of my favorites are...
Koran: “The unbelievers are your sworn enemies.” Women; Sura 4:101.
Koran: “Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal harshly with them.” Repentance; Sura 9:123.
Koran: “Mohammed is Allah’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." Victory; Sura 48:29.
Koran: “When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks then, when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds; then set them free, either by grace or ransom, till the war lays down its load.” Women; Sura 4:47.
Then there is the Koran’s 164 Jihad Verses
You're getting these from unreliable sources...
By the way, when you quote a verse from the Quran be sure to quote the whole verse and not just part of it (we've all been taught that way) cause you might quote something that has a totally different meaning standing alone than it does in its original form.
"When ye travel through the earth, there is no blame on you if ye shorten your prayers, for fear the Unbelievers May attack you: For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies." (4:101)
The explanation is:
When you travel, it's okay if you shorten your prayers out of fear. The fear that others (unbelievers, as in non-Muslims who want to inflict harm on you) may want to attack you.
For they are clearly your enemies; it shows in their enmity to Muslims.
"O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that God is with those who fear Him." (9:123)
Explanation:
Oh Muslims, fight those who gird you about and let them find firmness in you: and know that God is with those who fear Him (the believers)
"Muhammad is the apostle of God; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from God and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the Gospel is: like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. God has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward." (48:29)
Explanation:
Those who are with Muhammad are strong against unbelievers and compassionate towards each other. Here, strong is meant in terms of mentality, not physical terms.
You see the believers bow and prostrate themselves in prayer, seeking Grace from God and His Good Pleasure. You see marks on their face (on the forehead, from the numerous amount of bowing done).
First, Allah shows the level of the Muslims, then shows their growth by describing them as plants. For they are like a plant that has taken out its nestlings, then made it stronger, and is then becoming stronger and stronger, becoming thick, and then stands on its own stem, filling sowers with wonder and delight at its state. That is how Muslims grow, like plants, giving their seed strength and making them strong, making those around them fill with wonder and delight at their strength, they stand on their own stem and don't allow the wind of the Unbelievers shake them. As a result, Unbelievers are filled with rage at them.
God has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward.
"O ye People of the Book! believe in what We have (now) revealed, confirming what was (already) with you, before We change the face and fame of some (of you) beyond all recognition, and turn them hindwards, or curse them as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers, for the decision of God Must be carried out." (4:47)
Explanation:
People of the Book (Christians, Jews and Muslims), [this is targeted to the people of the book, though faith is general]: believe in what is now revealed [with Prophet Mohammed - Peace and Prayers Be Upon Him], confirming and righting the books (Torah, Bible) that were in your posession with the Koran. Believe in that before We change the face and fame of some of you beyond all recognition, or curse you as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers (the Jews who once breaked the Sabbath by going to fish), for the desicion of God Must be carried out.
:)
And about the 164 Jihad ayaa's, there's an equal amount of peace ayaa's + Jihad is only encouraged in terms of self-defense and helping brothers and sisters in need.
I could explain each and every ayaa if you want, though it would take a lot of effort on my part. And as you can see, I'd explain it the same way I explained the above.
The bottom line is: Islam is not a religion of violence; it is of peace.
Innocent Sweety
01-25-2005, 01:20 AM
Originally posted by Echo2
Violence and the KORAN however is not the opic of this string.
Womens liberation and Islam.
The prophet Mohammed (may he rest in peace) once said: "A cheap rug is more valuable in a man's home than a woman"
-- From the Hadith recorded by (off-site) Sahih Al-Bukhari.
"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance):... "
The Book of Women 4.34
Translated by A. Yusufali
She does not travel except with a mahram.
One of the rulings of Islam concerning women is that a woman should not travel without a mahram, because travel is full of dangers and hardships and it is not right for a woman to face all this alone, without a mahram to protect her and take care of her. So the Prophet (PBUH) forbade women to travel alone without a mahram; this is recorded in numerous Hadith, but it will suffice to quote just two of them here:
"A woman should not travel for three days except with a mahram."92
"It is not permitted for a woman who believes in Allah (SWT) and the Last Day to travel the walking-distance of three days without a mahram."93
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The existence of her child was all the evidence the judge needed.
"We uphold your conviction of death by stoning as prescribed by the Sharia" (Iislamic law).
An Islamic appeal court has upheld a sentence of death by stoning for adultery against a Nigerian woman.
Amina Lawal, 30, was found guilty by a court in Katsina state in March after bearing a child outside marriage.
(BBC Aug. 19. 2002)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2202111.stm
The Prophet - Peace and Prayers Be Upon Him - would never say such a thing in that meaning. Can you please show me where you got that from? (what shocked me is that you say that it's by Sahih Al Bukhari! I cannot believe this!)
About (4:34).. Men are better than women if they are better in faith and..etc..
Men support women because it is their obligation to do so, in return women should care for the man. Read the article ;) I don't have to get into this again
A woman does not travel without a mahram (father, brother, uncle..etc..) for a long distance for fear from the road (hitch-hikers, street thieves, rapists..etc..); for she is a woman, men would be more able to defend themselves.
About that article..
A woman or man should not be stoned unless she or he committed adultery (sex outside marriage), how does the judge know that it's not her husband's son?
Did she confess?
Is she married?
Is she completely sane?
Are there four witnesses?
There are many things that need to be taken into consideration before passing a sentence.
:)
Innocent Sweety
01-26-2005, 11:25 AM
Regarding the Quran, please keep this in mind:
First of all, despite the attempt to make the translation as accurate as possible, one must be aware of the PROFOUND differences between Arabic language and the English language. Arabic is much more complex and has an unequalled myriad of gramattical and linguistic tools, and it is that that makes the Quran so powerful and moving to anyone who knows Arabic well. When the Quran is translated into English, the beauty of the language is lost, hence the title 'Meanings of the Holy Quran in English' instead of 'The Holy Quran in English'.
Second, the translation allows for some misunderstandings that the anti-Muslims use to justify their prejudices against Islam.
So it must be pointed out that in the Arabic language, you must read all the verses for a sentence to make sense, and this does not necessarily come through in English, thus allowing for those misunderstandings. An example is a reviewer on this site who took the verse "And slay them wherever you catch them... " to try and say that Islam is violent. If you read the verse before it and the ones after it, you will find that this is purely self defense. The verses say " Fight in the cause of God THOSE WHO FIGHT YOU, but DO NOT TRANSGRESS LIMITS (as in killing civilians), For God loveth not transgressors. And Slay them Wherever ye catch them, ..... BUT IF THEY CEASE, GOD IS OFT-FORGIVING, MOST MERCIFUL. And fight them UNTIL THERE IS NO MORE TUMULT OR OPPRESSION ..... BUT IF THEY CEASE, LET THERE BE NO HOSTILITY EXCEPT TO THOSE WHO PRACTICE OPPRESSION (i.e. forgive them).
Such misunderstandings can be overcome by reading all the verses in a sura in order to understand the meaning, and also reading the helpful footnotes. If something is unclear, consult a Muslim.
Third, always consult a Muslim on passages that you may not understand, or have any trouble with. A 'regular' Muslim who practices the Quran everyday of his life would know much better than an armchair intellectual who read 3 books about Islam and became a self-proclaimed expert in the field of Islamic studies. In general, a Muslim would know much more about her or his own religion than a non-Muslim, so try to read books written by Muslims.
Fourth, and most importantly, for the non-Muslims reading the text, a very important piece of advice: read the Quran OBJECTIVELY, or dont bother reading it. Some people read the Quran to try and justify and hatered/misconception that they may have. If you read the Quran with this mindset, you might as well save yourself the trouble, and continue to believe whatever it is that you desparately want to believe. Otherwise, I am sure that you will have a lot to gain from reading the meanings of the Quran.
:)
Echo2
01-26-2005, 02:41 PM
Innocent sweety,
I study religions as a hobby. Consequently I have spent numerous conversations defending Islam to people here in the states. I am not a religious person and though the bible has some wonderful passages in it also has some very violent passages - just as the Quran does.
It was not my intention to "put down" Islam, only to point out that it does indeed have violent passages in it. All religions have good and bad aspects to them. I know that because you are a woman of Islam you may have a hard time accepting that idea. The Christians here in the states have a hard time accepting the fact that the Bible has both good and bad aspects to it.
Because scripture of any kind is written in parables and vague language each person interprets it a little differently. When people interpret scripture to advance their causes it gives their religion