Great movie. Best ever. ;)

Lol not the best movie ever by a long long way, but a good movie all the same

No. best movie. ever. ;)

Sorry, Titanic is miles away from the best movie ever. Titanic is not good enough to sit on the same shelf as Office Space, or Star Wars Episode V, or Airplane!, or Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Sure it was good, and we got to see Kate Winslet's boobies, but not even close to the best.

That’s your opinion. The Grammy’s speak for themselves. Titanic also has made the most out of any movie ever.

Oh and look at this…even beating Star Wars…

http://movies.go.com/moviesdynamic/boxoffice?cat=alltime all time box office leaders

Originally posted by Overdose
That’s your opinion. The Grammy’s speak for themselves. Titanic also has made the most out of any movie ever.

Oh and look at this…even beating Star Wars…

http://movies.go.com/moviesdynamic/boxoffice?cat=alltime all time box office leaders
In 1997 dollars, Star Wars grossed $1,269,382,854.05. Which beats the living hell out of Titanic. E.T. also beats it, grossing $749,005,621.47 in 1997 dollars. As does The Empire Strikes Back ($625,987,547.54)

Titanic is not, all things considered, the highest-grossing movie of all time. Bitch. ;)

http://www.westegg.com/inflation/

Originally posted by Overdose
Damn. it's only the second highest grossing film. damn. it must suck now. *rolls eyes* you sure got me borg!
I said it was good. You, however, said it not only is the best ever, it is the highest-grossing. Wrong, I say, wrong! BWAHAHAHAHA!!! ::dances::

Thanks Borg. You sure got me, damn, I’m wrong. Good job in proving semantics. It still sold a shit load, period.

Actually.....the top grossing film of all time after fixing inflation ratio is Gone With The Wind which grossed around 3.9 Billion in today's money. I think Titanic comes in like 6th on the actual chart.

OD admit it. You like Titanic cuz of Leo Dicaprio (who is a very VERY ugly person. God why is that Gisselle model chick dating him anyways.) but that's ok OD. BorgHunter only watched it for Leo too...

I'm kidding you two...but I don't think TITAnic was the best movie ever.

Titanic was the best corny crap movie ever made - sure

The only reason titanic did as well as it did is because girls (or feminine males) flocked to the movie armed with tissues to cry their eyes out. The fact is it WASNT that good of a movie.....its just a historic event with a corny love story thrown in the mix....whoopee

omg I SWEAR Jack was gay. I think he just saw the manly side of Rose...

I enjoyed it.

I don't know if I would say the best movie ever but, it certainly ranks up there.

Originally posted by revenG_DeSire
TITAnic .

Given the nature of the film and its most famous scene....I don't think the A should be capitalized.:p

Oh and look at this…even beating Star Wars…

http://movies.go.com/moviesdynamic/boxoffice?cat=alltime all time box office leadersYup..And stilll is #1!!!

I love that movie like crazy .. I also saw the original TITANIC,but it didnt seem anywhere near as good.....

In 1997 dollars, Star Wars grossed $1,269,382,854.05. Which beats the living hell out of Titanic. E.T. also beats it, grossing $749,005,621.47 in 1997 dollars. As does The Empire Strikes Back ($625,987,547.54)

Titanic is not, all things considered, the highest-grossing movie of all time. Bitch. ;)

http://www.westegg.com/inflation/
This has been bugging me ever since I decided to look into this recently.

Are these numbers just in the United States or worldwide? It seems these are just figures from the United States, and if that's the case, what is it worldwide?

Plus, are the re-release profits of Star Wars calculated separately? I mean, the amount of money earned in the re-release of Star Wars in 1997 should not be adjusted with the same inflation as the money made in 1977. Right?

Would Titanic make more if re-released? Should we only factor in the profits made during their original runs?

Inflation
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1977 Star Wars: $1,888,543,574.80
1997 re-release: $305,529,311.11


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1997 Titanic: 2,292,444,182.31

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Seems Titanic made more.

Why is money relevant to the quality of the film?

1997 Titanic: 2,292,444,182.31
This number is fabricated, btw.

Here is the domestic gross: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic.htm

Here is the adjusted domestic gross: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm

Here is worldwide unadjusted: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/

Sadly these bums won't compile the list of worldwide adjusted for inflation grosses.

http://www.afi.com/tvevents/100years/movies.aspx
Here a list of the top 100, 1896-1996 by the critics. I agree with most of it.

http://www.imdb.com/chart/top
Top 250 on IMDB as voted by the people.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/top/bestofrt_year.php?year=all_time
Rotten Tomatoes, a respected movie site.

http://www.nytimes.com/ref/movies/1000best.html
Top 1000 by the New York Times.

http://www.time.com/time/2005/100movies/the_complete_list.html
Top 100 by Time magazine.

OD, please tell me what all of the last 4 lists have in common.

Why is money relevant to the quality of the film?

It's how we can turn opinions into fact!

Why is money relevant to the quality of the film?
I never said it was relevant to the quality of a film. What are you talking about????????????

This number is fabricated, btw.
No it isn't.

This number: 1,845,034,000 (from your site)

Plugged in by this inflation adjuster (http://www.westegg.com/inflation/) is: 2,292,444,182.31. Which is higher then the Star Wars profits that were adjusted separately since the profits were made in different years.

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http://www.afi.com/tvevents/100years/movies.aspx
Here a list of the top 100, 1896-1996 by the critics. I agree with most of it.
AFI is releasing a new list in June. Titanic was one of the 44 new films to be considered for the new list.

http://www.imdb.com/chart/top
Top 250 on IMDB as voted by the people.
It was voted in the top, until Titanic faced a backlash. People started giving it a 1 star rating, thus fucking with its average scoring.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/top/bestofrt_year.php?year=all_time
Rotten Tomatoes, a respected movie site.
Titanic has an 82% approval from critics on that site. Uhh, how is that bad?

http://www.nytimes.com/ref/movies/1000best.html
Top 1000 by the New York Times.

http://www.time.com/time/2005/100movies/the_complete_list.html
Top 100 by Time magazine.
That's their opinion. One that most critics and the Oscars would disagree with.

I never said it was relevant to the quality of a film. What are you talking about????????????




OD - you have been using it's box office gross as an example of it's movie-quality supremacy for over the course of a few years now.

I'd say that's what Evakian was talking about.

yea.. just like the more records you sell... the better musician you are

:rolleyes:

Titanic was a historical documentary with a love story thrown in... it wasn't original, and it mainly made money off of girls going to see it 10-15 times because they like to cry to the Celine Dion song...

IMO it has no business being in the same league as something so creative as Star Wars.

Not directed to anyone in specific, just pointing out some things.

First, never once have I said sales defines quality. I have, however, said sales defines popularity.

Second, it is impossible for teenage girls to have made Titanic much money at all. Honestly, if it was mainly teenage girls, wouldn't Spice World have made more money then it did? Seriously. Spice World made 75 million worldwide. Take that total from the 1,800,000,000 Titanic made, and I'm sure you can reasonable conced that "teenage girls" did not make Titanic that much money. Even if you were to bump up that number to 100 million or even 200 million, you'd still have a weak case because 1 billion, 600 millions dollars are left to "non-teenage girls". Which is a lot of people, if you didn't know. Plus, I'm sure more parents were willing to let their "teenage girls" see a PG rated Spice World then a PG-13 rated Titanic with sex and a disaster related story. Face it, teenage girls hardly made a dent in Titanic's box office totals.

One could also make the same argument that nerds saw Star Wars/Lord of the Rings over and over, which is why they both made so much money. (And nerds age from about 5 to 80 years old and are both sexes, they are not just limited to "teenage girls".) And we all know that is simply un-true. Star Wars and LOTR made a lot because many people of all ages and sexes saw them. And the same goes for Titanic. No movie EVER makes over a billion dollars without TONS of draw from MANY different groups of people.

Third, the love story created an emotional doorway to the true tragedy of that night. Viewers (for the most part) began to care for Jack, Rose and their relationship. When Jack died, most everyone felt the loss of that night, which was that loved ones were being torn apart by death. The love story also allowed you to see the two extreme social worlds of 1912. These type of love stories are common, but are rarely done well. And in Titanic it is done very well and is crucial to telling the true tragedy of Titanic (IE: loved ones and families being torn apart by death).

If Titanic is your favorite move of all time OD, thats all fine and dandy (granted it make me question your manhood). However, you cannot claim that it is the best movie of all time based on anything you have said. There are many many many movies that are far better, that is a fact not an opinion. I have my favorite movie(s) as well, but that does not automatically make them the best movies ever. Grated most of them are pretty high up there. I can say with ease that there are many movies better than my favorite.

If Titanic is your favorite move of all time OD, thats all fine and dandy (granted it make me question your manhood). However, you cannot claim that it is the best movie of all time based on anything you have said. There are many many many movies that are far better, that is a fact not an opinion. I have my favorite movie(s) as well, but that does not automatically make them the best movies ever. Grated most of them are pretty high up there. I can say with ease that there are many movies better than my favorite.
Why can't a movie be both your favorite and best movie, in your own opinion?

I've gone into detail about why I find it to be the best movie I've ever seen and why it is my favorite. Just because you don't agree does not mean I'm wrong, nor does it mean you are right. It is all opinion, and to say it is a FACT that there are better movies then Titanic is being pretty hypocritical seeing as how it is ALL opinion.

Why can't a movie be both your favorite and best movie, in your own opinion?

I've gone into detail about why I find it to be the best movie I've ever seen and why it is my favorite. Just because you don't agree does not mean I'm wrong, nor does it mean you are right. It is all opinion, and to say it is a FACT that there are better movies then Titanic is being pretty hypocritical seeing as how it is ALL opinion.

I don't know, to say something is your favorite is one thing, thats fine. But to claim that its the best is another, especially with something that would be considered art. As long as its all your opinion thats fine. But I'm asking you to be objective. There are better movies than Titanic. There are many many many many MANY worse movies, but there are many better. Citizen Kane pretty much tops most best movie lists. So you could pretty much say its the best movie of all time. Of course people will disagree, but you can back up your opinion with something tangible in that case.

There are better movies than Titanic.
OPINION

There are many many many many MANY worse movies, but there are many better.
OPINION.

Citizen Kane pretty much tops most best movie lists.
SO? They are just opinion lists.

So you could pretty much say its the best movie of all time.
HAHAHAHA. If I were to say Titanic is the best movie for such dumb reasons I'd get flamed. I could say this, "Titanic has more Oscar wins and nominations in total then any other movie, thus it is the best"

It is YOUR OPINION that there are better movies then Titanic.
So far, I've seen NONE that are, IN MY OPINION.

Get off my back. I don't even understand why you care about fighting about this. I think it is the best movie I've seen, just as you THINK Citizen Kane is the best movie ever. ALL opinion.

Seriously, you are being a hypocrite. You tell me my opinion isn't a "fact" but then turn around and say it is a fact that there are better movies then Titanic. Uhhh, that's your opinion. How can that be a fact??????????

God man, don't get your panties tied in a knot.

I'm not fighting you. I said that is it is your favorite movie, that is fine. However, in 99.9% of the population of the earths opinion it isn't. Therefore I do not think you can can actually say it is the best movie ever, EXCEPT in your opinion.

If you were to say Titanic was the best movie of all time for the same reasons, people would agree with you, because it would be the overall opinion of most people.

I'm not fighting you. I said that is it is your favorite movie, that is fine. However, in 99.9% of the population of the earths opinion it isn't. Therefore I do not think you can can actually say it is the best movie ever, EXCEPT in your opinion.
Of course it is in my opinion. I'm the one posting it, right?
Besides, the majority can and has been wrong in many occasions. To use the majority opinion is weak. :) But you see, it is just that, AN OPINION. So I don't pay it much weight, seeing as how it is only an OPINION that Citizen Kane is the "best movie ever".

PS: There is tons of evidence that COULD suggest Titanic is one of or the best movie ever created if you want to take, "majority" opinion into consideration.

Titantic sucks but you love it.

Debate over.

lol

Titantic sucks but you love it.

Debate over.
It sucks in your opinion. Tons of people love it, however.

Look at all the 5-Star reviews on Amazon.com.

The 82% Approval Rating on Rotten Tomatoes.

The 11 Oscars it won and the 14 nominations. More total awards won and nominations then any other film in hisory.

The amount of money/times people went to go see it (3rd worldwide, with inflation, BEATING OUT STAR WARS).

And there is a Titanic-Fan-Forum with over 800 members and on Myspace there is a group with around 1,762 members.

American Film Institute:

Since its release, Titanic has been constantly appearing on the AFI's award winning 100 Years... series. It is ranked #25 in the most thrilling movies of all time and #37 in the most romantic movies of all time. The song "My Heart Will Go On" is at #14 in the best movie songs of all time, and the line uttered by Jack Dawson played by Leonardo DiCaprio, "I'm the king of the world!" is at #100 as one of the best movie quotes in history. Titanic is also one of the 44 new eligible films in contention to the updated version of AFI's 100 Years... 100 Movies, since it wasn't eligible when the first list was revealed. This will count down the best films in American cinema. The list will be unveiled in June 2007.

TONS OF PEOPLE LOVE IT!!!!! :) :) :) :)

Yes, a few million women.... and OD. haha

:lolhit:

Can't we all just agree to disagree?

It's a way-over-the-top dramatic historical rendering with a love story thrown in... whoop dee doooo

If you want to talk about inspirational historical renderings... Pearl Harbor is a much better one than Titanic IMO

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yea.. just like the more records you sell... the better musician you are

:rolleyes:

Very good point. :thumbs:

Titanic was a historical documentary with a love story thrown in... it wasn't original, and it mainly made money off of girls going to see it 10-15 times because they like to cry to the Celine Dion song...

IMO it has no business being in the same league as something so creative as Star Wars.

Another good point - very good post Decka. Titanic began making it's money off the teenagers going to see it to cry with Celine Dion but then after people couldn't explain how it had steamrolled into such a blockbuster - it made news. And as we've seen with films like The Passion of the Christ - a movie making the news will make cash. There was news about how these teenagers were going to see the film multiple times...so other teenagers were like "we better go see it too." Then some of those kids told their guy friends that Kate Winslet shows her boobies...and now all of a sudden theyve got to go see it too.

Titanic's blockbuster success was a case-in-point of a snowball effect.

It sucks in your opinion.
Whoa! That's news to me.
Tons of people love it, however.
That is not relevant to the quality of the film.

Also, I don't care about the cinematic taste of the mass of morons paying to see movies like Titanic and Shrek 2.

Whoa! That's news to me.

That is not relevant to the quality of the film.

Also, I don't care about the cinematic taste of the mass of morons paying to see movies like Titanic and Shrek 2.

Whoa yourself mister! Shrek 2 was good...as was Shrek 3!

That is not relevant to the quality of the film..
I've told you about 5 times now, I never said it was relevant to the quality of the film. Can you get that in your head????? Please...?????

I was simply just showing you that many people love it. And many do. Period.

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Another good point - very good post Decka. Titanic began making it's money off the teenagers going to see it to cry with Celine Dion but then after people couldn't explain how it had steamrolled into such a blockbuster - it made news. And as we've seen with films like The Passion of the Christ - a movie making the news will make cash. There was news about how these teenagers were going to see the film multiple times...so other teenagers were like "we better go see it too." Then some of those kids told their guy friends that Kate Winslet shows her boobies...and now all of a sudden theyve got to go see it too.
For you to think it was mostly just "teenage girls" is beyond insane.

It is impossible for teenage girls to have made Titanic much money at all. Honestly, if it was mainly teenage girls, wouldn't Spice World have made more money then it did? Seriously. Spice World made 75 million worldwide. Take that total from the 1,800,000,000 Titanic made, and I'm sure you can reasonable conced that "teenage girls" did not make Titanic that much money. Even if you were to bump up that number to 100 million or even 200 million, you'd still have a weak case because 1 billion, 600 millions dollars are left to "non-teenage girls". Which is a lot of people, if you didn't know. Plus, I'm sure more parents were willing to let their "teenage girls" see a PG rated Spice World then a PG-13 rated Titanic with sex and a disaster related story. Face it, teenage girls hardly made a dent in Titanic's box office totals.

One could also make the same argument that nerds saw Star Wars/Lord of the Rings over and over, which is why they both made so much money. (And nerds age from about 5 to 80 years old and are both sexes, they are not just limited to "teenage girls".) And we all know that is simply un-true. Star Wars and LOTR made a lot because many people of all ages and sexes saw them. And the same goes for Titanic. No movie EVER makes over a billion dollars without TONS of draw from MANY different groups of people. Hell, Titanic almost made 2 billion and made 800million more then Lord of the Rings. That says something.

Basically, the only reason people say it was, "teenage girls" is to try and make the numbers it pulled seem irrelevant. And that's simply sad that everyone just accepts the myth that it was mostly just teenage girls. It's sad that you let yourself be manipulated by that myth.

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It's a way-over-the-top dramatic historical rendering with a love story thrown in... whoop dee doooo
Yeah, that's all it is. :rolleyes:

The love story made this one of the best movies of all time. The love story is what tells the true story of Titanic. To deny that is sad.

PS: Titanic made more then your precious Star Wars. :). I'm glad a lot of the people who saw this film saw what was special about it.

I laughed when Jack died. I mean, just so you know.

I've told you about 5 times now
Liar.
I was simply just showing you that many people love it. And many do. Period.
First you tell me lies, then you tell me things I don't care about!

This is madness...

This is...OD!!!!!!!

For you to think it was mostly just "teenage girls" is beyond insane.

It is impossible for teenage girls to have made Titanic much money at all. Honestly, if it was mainly teenage girls, wouldn't Spice World have made more money then it did?

Spice Girls?....Great example. For shits and giggles - I'll throw a couple of reasons why teenage girls didn't create more cash for Spice World.

1) By the time that film was released - the band was old news and no one cared.

2) It was released in America in January - just weeks after the Holiday film period - historically a temporary death sentence for the American box office. Titanic, meanwhile, was the lead in to that same Holdiay film period. Titanic, though, only opened with around 21 - 22 million. A reasonable amount - but not blockbuster. Though - after media coverage and media coverage and the success of the song - and horny teenagers finding out they could see Kate's rack....the film began to get huge box office. It really hit it's stride during January of 1998...poor Spice World was crushed like the guy swimming away as the big smoke stack comes falling down.


Seriously. Spice World made 75 million worldwide. Take that total from the 1,800,000,000 Titanic made, and I'm sure you can reasonable conced that "teenage girls" did not make Titanic that much money. Even if you were to bump up that number to 100 million or even 200 million, you'd still have a weak case because 1 billion, 600 millions dollars are left to "non-teenage girls". Which is a lot of people, if you didn't know. Plus, I'm sure more parents were willing to let their "teenage girls" see a PG rated Spice World then a PG-13 rated Titanic with sex and a disaster related story. Face it, teenage girls hardly made a dent in Titanic's box office totals. [QUOTE=Overdose]
We're talking teenage girls, OD. Most parents, at least the ones I know, aren't too shy when it comes to PG-13. Teenage girls, for the most part, are also driving by the time they hit 15 or 16 so why would they need their parents anyway? But don't think teenage girls was the only source of income. As I've eluded to earlier - the horny guys wanting to see some boobies tagged along as well - and don't think Mom didn't grab a box of tissue and drag her husband along as well.

[QUOTE=Overdose]One could also make the same argument that nerds saw Star Wars/Lord of the Rings over and over, which is why they both made so much money.

Uhhhhhhh....yeah!

(And nerds age from about 5 to 80 years old and are both sexes, they are not just limited to "teenage girls".)

Yep, so Starwars and LOTR had a more diverse audience?

And we all know that is simply un-true. Star Wars and LOTR made a lot because many people of all ages and sexes saw them. And the same goes for Titanic. No movie EVER makes over a billion dollars without TONS of draw from MANY different groups of people. Hell, Titanic almost made 2 billion and made 800million more then Lord of the Rings. That says something.

I'm not about to argue that the numbers aren't impressive. They just in no way show that because a movie was/is popular that it is a good film.


Basically, the only reason people say it was, "teenage girls" is to try and make the numbers it pulled seem irrelevant. And that's simply sad that everyone just accepts the myth that it was mostly just teenage girls. It's sad that you let yourself be manipulated by that myth.

I don't know what your Leo-dilusional eyes have led you to believe - but I am not behind some take Titanic's thunder movement. Again - I'm not taking anything away from it's box office growth...it's truly amazing but the fact remains this: teenage girls were the driving force. It's like saying Evangelical Christians didn't win the election for Bush. They didnt make up every vote - but they were the catalyst and the biggest force for his success.

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As I've eluded to earlier - the horny guys wanting to see some boobies tagged along as well - and don't think Mom didn't grab a box of tissue and drag her husband along as well.
That's why I saw it. It was at the end of elementary school and, OH SHIT! BOOBIES!

I don't know what your Leo-dilusional eyes have led you to believe - but I am not behind some take Titanic's thunder movement. Again - I'm not taking anything away from it's box office growth...it's truly amazing but the fact remains this: teenage girls were the driving force. It's like saying Evangelical Christians didn't win the election for Bush. They didnt make up every vote - but they were the catalyst and the biggest force for his success.
Just as geeks were the driving force that made Star Wars such a box office hit. People who saw the movie a couple dozen times.

Oh, Citizen Kane is the best movie ever because it invented nearly EVERY cinematic device seen in film. No other reason. Pioneers tend to get a lot of attention.

Oh, Citizen Kane is the best movie ever because it invented nearly EVERY cinematic device seen in film.
A) Is that your opinion or are you just regurgitating nonsense from critics' lists?
B) It didn't even "invent" a quarter of them.

My "precious" Star Wars?

I like sci-fi.. and i think Star Wars was one of the greatest creations ever in the movie business, but sorry.. I don't dress up like Darth Vader to pick up chicks at the Star Wars convention... LOL

Hell I like Star Trek better than Star Wars.. but anyway, back on topic.

Basically, overdose seems compelled to try to prove that the movie is accepted... perhaps it's a window into his own personal life, then again, maybe not.. either way, alot of people went to see alot of different movies.. and are "loved by alot of people".. so who cares? people like titanic... ya know, "people" like ALOT of movies. Spiderman blows up the movie scene every opening weekend... so do we call it a "beloved movie, one of the best of all time!"???? I surely don't think so.

And meanwhile... you want to talk about popularity... I guarentee you the original star wars is more recognized than Titanic.. it's just an occurance. Star Wars was a MAIN party of society, back when there weren't a billion movies coming out every year. When you hear the "imperial march" by John Williams, you see Darth Vader walking down the ramps in his star destroyer. Everyone knows the Vader mask, everyone knows what a lightsaber is... if you want to debate the impact made between these two movies, it's pretty obvious which one is a cornerstone in movie history, and which one just made alot of money.

My "precious" Star Wars?

I like sci-fi.. and i think Star Wars was one of the greatest creations ever in the movie business, but sorry.. I don't dress up like Darth Vader to pick up chicks at the Star Wars convention... LOL

Hell I like Star Trek better than Star Wars.. but anyway, back on topic.

Basically, overdose seems compelled to try to prove that the movie is accepted... perhaps it's a window into his own personal life, then again, maybe not.. either way, alot of people went to see alot of different movies.. and are "loved by alot of people".. so who cares? people like titanic... ya know, "people" like ALOT of movies. Spiderman blows up the movie scene every opening weekend... so do we call it a "beloved movie, one of the best of all time!"???? I surely don't think so.

And meanwhile... you want to talk about popularity... I guarentee you the original star wars is more recognized than Titanic.. it's just an occurance. Star Wars was a MAIN party of society, back when there weren't a billion movies coming out every year. When you hear the "imperial march" by John Williams, you see Darth Vader walking down the ramps in his star destroyer. Everyone knows the Vader mask, everyone knows what a lightsaber is... if you want to debate the impact made between these two movies, it's pretty obvious which one is a cornerstone in movie history, and which one just made alot of money.
the History Channel, Monday @9-be there.:woohoo:

Star Wars is pretty much integrated into society as a whole. Probably more so than any movie I can think of actually.

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The love story is what tells the true story of Titanic. To deny that is sad.



OD, as a fellow Titanic buff---of the actual ship, that is, the movie was pretty good but could have been better--I find this statement odd.
The love story was fake and contrived, IMO-- and yr statement seems to imply that the rest of the 1500 -odd souls who actually died a sad and scary death that night count for nothing.

agreed rendova...

it was definitely over the top... and the funny thing is that neither of them were the main characters...

I think we just have someone here who has early Leo DiCaprio attraction... nothing more.

I mean... 3 To Tango is one of the best movies of all time! Neve Campbell is in it!

1) By the time that film was released - the band was old news and no one cared.
No they weren't. What are you talking about? The comparision still makes sense. Besides, if "teenage girls" were such a huge market, why didn't they make a Backstreet boys movie? Simple. Because teenage girls hardly made an impact on Titanic.

If you want to say WOMEN made an impact, fine. Because I like women better anyway. :) But seriously. The critics loved Titanic and so did the Oscars. Most critics are men and most of the Oscar people are men too.

2) It was released in America in January - just weeks after the Holiday film period - historically a temporary death sentence for the American box office. Titanic, meanwhile, was the lead in to that same Holdiay film period. Titanic, though, only opened with around 21 - 22 million. A reasonable amount - but not blockbuster. Though - after media coverage and media coverage and the success of the song - and horny teenagers finding out they could see Kate's rack....the film began to get huge box office. It really hit it's stride during January of 1998...poor Spice World was crushed like the guy swimming away as the big smoke stack comes falling down.
Word of mouth made Titanic the 3rd highest grossing film of all time. Nothing more, nothing less.

We're talking teenage girls, OD. Most parents, at least the ones I know, aren't too shy when it comes to PG-13. Teenage girls, for the most part, are also driving by the time they hit 15 or 16 so why would they need their parents anyway? But don't think teenage girls was the only source of income. As I've eluded to earlier - the horny guys wanting to see some boobies tagged along as well - and don't think Mom didn't grab a box of tissue and drag her husband along as well.
You missed the point because I knew many parents who didn't let their kids see Titanic because of the naked drawing scene. Honestly, if you truly believe teenage girls made Titanic the 3rd highest grossing film of all time you are insane.

Uhhhhhhh....yeah!
LOL. Everyone saw Star Wars. There is not enough nerds to have made Star Wars such a huge hit, just like there is not enough, "teenage girls" to have made Titanic such a huge hit. Why can't you accept that and move on?

I'm not about to argue that the numbers aren't impressive. They just in no way show that because a movie was/is popular that it is a good film.
Learn to pay attention. I've said about 5 times now that numbers don't make a film good.

it's truly amazing but the fact remains this: teenage girls were the driving force. It's like saying Evangelical Christians didn't win the election for Bush. They didnt make up every vote - but they were the catalyst and the biggest force for his success.
Bullshit. Teenage girls did not make Titanic such a massive hit. They hardly made a dent in it. Women may have made an impact, but TONS of men still saw it. In order to make almost 2 billion dollars, you have to have both sexes and almost all ages going to see it.

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but anyway, back on topic.
Thank god.

Basically, overdose seems compelled to try to prove that the movie is accepted... perhaps it's a window into his own personal life, then again, maybe not.. either way, alot of people went to see alot of different movies.. and are "loved by alot of people".. so who cares? people like titanic... ya know, "people" like ALOT of movies. Spiderman blows up the movie scene every opening weekend... so do we call it a "beloved movie, one of the best of all time!"???? I surely don't think so.
Tell me when Spiderman stays at the #1 spot for 15 weeks and makes almost 2.2 billion dollars.

And meanwhile... you want to talk about popularity... I guarentee you the original star wars is more recognized than Titanic.. it's just an occurance. Star Wars was a MAIN party of society, back when there weren't a billion movies coming out every year. When you hear the "imperial march" by John Williams, you see Darth Vader walking down the ramps in his star destroyer. Everyone knows the Vader mask, everyone knows what a lightsaber is... if you want to debate the impact made between these two movies, it's pretty obvious which one is a cornerstone in movie history, and which one just made alot of money.
Star Wars has been able to stay current in every decade since the 70's. That allows it to obtain fans in every generation since the 70's. It is also a movie that appeals to all age-groups and is a movie that is far easier to make toys, t-shirts and other merchandise for. Clearly, Star Wars is going to be more popular and have many more fans.

Hell, I LOVE Star Wars. It is second on my list of favorite films. That does not mean Titanic did not make movie history when it made almost 2 billion dollars, had the best selling movie soundtrack of all time and had the most wins and nominations at the Oscars then any other movie. Titanic is an epic. Although not as popular or loved as Star Wars, it is still a movie that will forever be a cornerstone in movie history since it captivated audiences and critics around the world, to the point that it is the 3rd highest grossing film of all-time, making more then even Star Wars.

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PS: I love how everyone is using the fact that I like Leo to discredit my points. People will stop at nothing these days!

PS: I love how everyone is using the fact that I like Leo to discredit my points. People will stop at nothing these days!
Indeed they'll stop at nothing, like trying to argue about a matter of personal cinematic taste.

You can't win.

I'm not denying it's popularity..

I'm just questioning it's originality...

It DID win alot of awards.. that's fine, must have been a good flick. However, I wouldn't go as far as to call it a "cornerstone in movie history"...being that requires more than sales and awards, it's all about how well the movie sticks. Havn't really seen much of Titanic in years... but Star Wars, the original ones, are still around. I'd call "Back to the Future" more of a "cornerstone in movie history" than titanic... or Rocky, or Lord of the Rings... THOSE are "epics"...

Sorry.. i guess we just have to agree to disagree... I'm not saying it's not a great movie, it has alot of awards and money to prove it.. I'm just debating it's effect on society and movie history... which I think was big for 2-3 years but just didn't stick.