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Hollybaere
09-27-2002, 04:22 PM
Let’s Get Iraq’s Oil!


Memo: To Rep. Duncan Hunter [R-CA], Vice-Chairman of House Armed Services Committee
From: Jude Wanniski
Re: War on the Cheap

Duncan, old friend, I see you have swallowed hook, line and sinker the Richard Perle propaganda that Saddam Hussein is a threat to our national security and the American way of life. President Bush has swallowed the same hook, the same line and the same sinker, so you should not feel embarrassed, as you are in good company. As I pointed out on this space yesterday, the President also thinks that Saddam tried to bump off his dad back in 1993, when nothing of the sort occurred. What is really going on, Duncan, is “imperialism.” Not a nice, sweet, kind Empire, but an Evil Empire, run by the Prince of Darkness himself, Richard Perle. I should have contacted you earlier to explain this to you, as I have sources that can’t normally get to you. Here is a letter I sent to my Wall Street clients a few weeks ago that explains it pretty well. There are a few details that I left out for reasons of national security, but if we can arrange a secure phone line, I will give you those too.

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PAYING FOR A WAR WITH IRAQ

When we advised two weeks ago to “Relax on Iraq” we of course anticipated the Bush administration’s decision to go through the United Nations to seek a return of the weapons inspectors, and that it was more than obvious Iraq would invite them back. Indeed, Iraq had already sent a letter of invitation to UN General Secretary Kofi Annan that, as far as I could tell, set no preconditions. It was rejected on the grounds that the United States saw preconditions in the language that suggested the inspectors come when they wished to Baghdad to discuss what it is they wanted to inspect, which is hardly a “precondition.” Iraq then sent a second letter to the UN, five pages in all, which I got by fax from the Iraqi UN Mission, but never read in the newspapers. It was even clearer there were no preconditions. The UN did not respond to that letter, but after several conversations between the Iraqis and Kofi Annan, a third short letter was sent that simply said there would be no preconditions. Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz had muddied the water with television interviews saying he wanted assurances the United States and Britain would not attack and that the 11-year-old sanctions would be lifted. One supposes that Baghdad has been assured privately that after the inspectors are satisfied, the UN will take up the issue of sanctions.

The hardliners in the Bush administration have clearly been frustrated by the President’s decision to go through the United Nations, even though Mr. Bush still indicates that he reserves the right to go war with Iraq if he is not satisfied with how the UN handles the issues. What is now becoming clearer by the day is that the Pentagon intellectuals who have been itching for a “regime change” in Baghdad have figured out how to pay for the cost of the military action. No, it is not the feeble economics presented by Larry Lindsey, the chairman of the National Economic Council in the White House. Lindsey says the war would cost $200 billion, but once Saddam is removed as a threat to the region, the U.S. economy will go into a giddy expansion and tax revenues will flood the Treasury, paying off the costs of the war. The warriors at the WSJournal editorial page have concocted charts showing the price of oil always falls after the wars in the Middle East are successfully concluded. The war on Iraq would be the first “supply-side war,” one supposes.

No, the GOP War Party has determined that the people of Iraq will pay the $200 billion it will cost to liberate them. Once Saddam gets the boot, the Iraqi National Congress -- handpicked by Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz and Jim Woolsey -- will move to Baghdad from its exile status in Washington, D.C. Out of sincere gratitude to its puppeteer, Uncle Sam, the new Iraqi government will denationalize the oil fields which the Ba’ath Party nationalized in 1972-75, handing out franchises to the old cartel that ran things back then. Woolsey told the Washington Post Sunday: “It’s pretty straightforward...France and Russia have oil companies and interests in Iraq. They should be told that if they are of assistance in moving Iraq toward decent government, we'll do the best we can to ensure that the new government and American companies work closely with them." Woolsey said those oil companies that do not support regime change will be cut out. ExxonMobil and ChevronTexaco are mentioned in the story as being likely beneficiaries because they were part of the cartel, as were British Petroleum and Royal Dutch Shell.

In order to get access to the Iraqi proven reserves, the second highest in the world, the oil companies that play ball with Uncle Sam’s friends in Baghdad will have to pay significant fees to the new Iraqi regime. It is out of these fees that the $200 billion will come, to pay for the liberation of Iraq. Such is what warhawk Charles Krauthammer calls the new "Benign Imperialism." The objective aims to serve the interests of the Israeli government, which is in full support of the "regime change." But that is only the secondary aim. The primary objective is to control the marginal cost of a barrel of oil. The U.S. strategic petroleum reserve, which has been filling up on $30 oil lately, can’t go much beyond a billion barrels in the ground. In his recent Commentary article, Woolsey argued that the Arab “oil weapon” might be defeated by using this teeny reserve to control the marginal barrel. All along, I believe, the hawks have had their sights set on the 110 billion barrels in Iraq. At $20 a barrel, that comes to $2.2 trillion, quite a slush fund to buy up support from Russia and France and perhaps China, to swing their votes at the National Security Council. And if they resist, well then their national oil companies will be cut out of the action.

If the hawks succeeded in accomplishing these objectives, it would change the world geopolitical map as the US, not the Arabs, would control the world's oil. Sound nice, but what worries old hands like Brent Scowcroft is the explosion that would likely follow in the Arab "street." The Gulf monarchies probably would be toppled and so would Egypt's Hosni Mubarak. The masterminds who have persuaded the President of the benefits of "regime change" can afford to theorize at long distance, but the people of Israel live in what might become a totally lawless neighborhood. It is hard to understand why Ariel Sharon and Bibi Netanyahu are so eager for a US war with Iraq, even taking into account the "cover" it would give them to take care of the Palestinian issue once and for all.

Thankfully, Secretary of State Colin Powell has put things on a track that could avert all this turmoil. He insists there be a UN resolution on Iraq, even as the UNMOVIC inspection team gets ready for inspections. It may be there will be two resolutions, which would be the preferred route, as the first would direct UNMOVIC to inspect and report back. The second would authorize the use of force if UNMOVIC reports Iraq is not fully cooperating. The warhawks want one resolution that will trigger military action as soon as a pretext can be found to show Iraq is not cooperating.

As for controlling the marginal barrel of oil and "defeating" the oil weapon, remember all the United States has to do is return to a dollar/gold standard, and the oil producers of the world will be forced back into market regulation. Look at the dollar/price of oil from 1950 to 1971 and you will see a straight line. It was when Richard Nixon broke the link to gold that Robert Mundell said: "We will soon see a dramatic rise in the price of oil, and thence all other commodities." His only error was in not seeing that the oil cartel tried to hold the price of oil down for two years while other producers of commodities had no cartel. Commodities climbed first, then came the quadrupling of oil. It would be much neater to regain control of the dollar/oil price in that manner, instead of experimenting with a "benign imperium." It falls to Colin Powell, it seems, to save the republic. May the Force be with him.

SB54
09-27-2002, 11:49 PM
It's always about Oil when a republican is in the white house, it is never about protecting Americans or the american way of life.. :roll:

ConfusedYouth
09-28-2002, 01:16 AM
The American way of life is not worth protecting if you ask me. The American way of life for the regular teen age girl is lets watch TV and copy the next fad. The way of life for a teen age guy is lets see whos pants I can get into. The American way in most homes is lets see how many arguements mom and dad can get into this time. The American way of life sucks.

Hollybaere
09-28-2002, 06:39 AM
You know it's funny.....I was just thinking about the last time Iraq attacked the U.S.......... :roll:

Oh....that's right! They NEVER have!!

It's all about oil......It's all about the U.S. ridding Israel of IT'S enemy!!

SB54
09-28-2002, 11:01 AM
[quote:426fa1e979="Hollybaere"]You know it's funny.....I was just thinking about the last time Iraq attacked the U.S.......... :roll:

Oh....that's right! They NEVER have!!

It's all about oil......It's all about the U.S. ridding Israel of IT'S enemy!![/quote:426fa1e979]

Japan had never attacked the US, Look what happened.

SB54
09-28-2002, 11:04 AM
[quote:00e31600a7="ConfusedYouth"]The American way of life is not worth protecting if you ask me. The American way of life for the regular teen age girl is lets watch TV and copy the next fad. The way of life for a teen age guy is lets see whos pants I can get into. The American way in most homes is lets see how many arguements mom and dad can get into this time. The American way of life sucks.[/quote:00e31600a7]

Well your life does not begin or end as a teenager. and America is not free of problems but how would you rather live? I have been to many countries and the US is by far the best.

ConfusedYouth
09-28-2002, 12:37 PM
I'm not proud of where I live I mean the American way of life is sick. Companies like Enron and World Com who sold out millions and thousands lost jobs and millions of dollars that they worked hard for. There are children who go to bed hungry and hardly have every day necessities. We don’t offer free health care or free schooling so it makes hard for people to tend to there bodies or educate them. We live in a nation of racism and sexism. We live in a nation that condones terrorism (you call it war) where millions have died solely for a country were supposed to be proud of.

Screw the American dream or way of life its degrading.

infidel_Joe
09-28-2002, 11:18 PM
[quote:7825ba8820]You know it's funny.....I was just thinking about the last time Iraq attacked the U.S..........[/quote:7825ba8820]

Iraq never attacked US on it's own soil but it did fire missles at American navy ships and attempted to kill President Bush (the first one) when he visited Saudi Arabia. I really don't give a shit if Sadam is going to to be out of power. The problem is the Iraqi people, because when it comes down to it neither side (US or Sadam) really gives a shit about them. And that is why i think Iraq's civillian population will fall a victim to this conflict.

SB54
09-28-2002, 11:54 PM
[quote:93b7d6b2bc="ConfusedYouth"]I'm not proud of where I live I mean the American way of life is sick. Companies like Enron and World Com who sold out millions and thousands lost jobs and millions of dollars that they worked hard for. There are children who go to bed hungry and hardly have every day necessities. We don’t offer free health care or free schooling so it makes hard for people to tend to there bodies or educate them. We live in a nation of racism and sexism. We live in a nation that condones terrorism (you call it war) where millions have died solely for a country were supposed to be proud of.

Screw the American dream or way of life its degrading.[/quote:93b7d6b2bc]

I agree America is not without it's problems, but the problems could be a lot worse. Their are thousands of successful US companies yet we only hear about the bad ones, which are in the minority. Everyone wants the problems you listed to go away, but how we get there is where everuone dissagrees. I do not thing free health care is a good idea, because it will be used an excuse to raise taxes, and I feel taxes are high enough.

ConfusedYouth
09-29-2002, 12:36 AM
We can have free health care by doing what other countries are beginning to do and it's called the least likely to offend tax where we raise taxes on stuff like cigarettes and alcohol or a product that will only affect a certain group of people.

SB54
09-29-2002, 01:43 AM
[quote:35ef130863="ConfusedYouth"]We can have free health care by doing what other countries are beginning to do and it's called the least likely to offend tax where we raise taxes on stuff like cigarettes and alcohol or a product that will only affect a certain group of people.[/quote:35ef130863]

if we do this arn't we really taxing peoples freedom?

FCS43
09-29-2002, 07:06 AM
I live in the U.K. We have free health care.If u r unemployed/on benefits/retired.....u do not contribute unless u buy a lot of alcohol/cigarettes or fuel.These r some of the main areas we r taxed indirectly.If u r working u pay a national health insurance contribution....depends how much u earn what u pay.It seems fair to me....I don't smoke and dont buy fuel for a car...I only buy a little alcohol now and again.I don't work...but my husaband does so he makes a lot of contibutions with normal income tax and the health insurance.We know if we r sick we will be seen by our G.P either at home or at the surgery...usually the same day...and if we need the hospital...it is 10 mins away by car. We know we will receive the best care possible.Some people also have private health care...helps if u r working and want an operation immediately instead of going on a waiting list for a few weeks/months.It does workon the whole here...but as our population increases and becomes older...there r more probs with caring for the elderly.

astrapol2
09-30-2002, 01:00 PM
Taxes… How does it comes thaht many conservative people are ready to pay taxes to support the largest military budget in the world (by far !) but will not accept to give a cent for social programs or health care in their own country ? Better kill foreigners than help your neighbours ? Always seems totally insane to me.

J_Lively
09-30-2002, 01:21 PM
[quote:ade480aac7="astrapol2"]Taxes… How does it comes thaht many conservative people are ready to pay taxes to support the largest military budget in the world (by far !) but will not accept to give a cent for social programs or health care in their own country ? Better kill foreigners than help your neighbours ? Always seems totally insane to me.[/quote:ade480aac7]

I agree! More of our money goes to military improvement than any other area. A couple of years ago it was shown that 1.4% of federal money goes to welfare, whereas 44.4% goes to the military... and that was before 9-11 so who knows how that has changed now.

When polled the same year only 23% of Americans knew that more money went to the military than welfare.

It never ceases to amaze me how the country with the wealthiest individuals in the world can bitch anytime they hear that taxes may be raised but stay quiet about world hunger, death, disease, and crime. Even now more Americans are saying in the polls that they are more concerned about the economy than they are Iraq -- it seems we only worry about our pocketbooks!

SB54
09-30-2002, 01:31 PM
[quote:e07c943ab6="J_Lively"]

I agree! More of our money goes to military improvement than any other area. A couple of years ago it was shown that 1.4% of federal money goes to welfare, whereas 44.4% goes to the military... and that was before 9-11 so who knows how that has changed now.

When polled the same year only 23% of Americans knew that more money went to the military than welfare.

It never ceases to amaze me how the country with the wealthiest individuals in the world can bitch anytime they hear that taxes may be raised but stay quiet about world hunger, death, disease, and crime. Even now more Americans are saying in the polls that they are more concerned about the economy than they are Iraq -- it seems we only worry about our pocketbooks![/quote:e07c943ab6]

I do think we need a large military, the work those people do is hard, and they earn every dollar they get paid. I am not for spending less on the military to support welfare. I would like to see a wellfare program that helps people find decent jobs as oppose to trapping them on the goverments bill. if it is going to take more money to do this then fine. As long as less people are on wellfare.

J_Lively
09-30-2002, 02:28 PM
[quote:0572252425="SB54"]I do think we need a large military, the work those people do is hard, and they earn every dollar they get paid. I am not for spending less on the military to support welfare. I would like to see a wellfare program that helps people find decent jobs as oppose to trapping them on the goverments bill. if it is going to take more money to do this then fine. As long as less people are on wellfare.[/quote:0572252425]

I agree that military jobs are difficult and that soldiers certainly earn their money, but there are many fields, like the police, state troopers, teachers who do equally needed work and do not get paid well at all.

I agree with you about welfare. I only brought up welfare because that was the study I found. Welfare recipients need to be weaned off the system, and I think it would take quite a bit of money at first because financial aid for college, GED programs, work study programs, and job training would need to be offered and that could be pricey, but in the end it would be worth it, imo.

xingyiman
11-27-2002, 10:15 AM
"The American way of life is not worth protecting if you ask me. The American way of life for the regular teen age girl is lets watch TV and copy the next fad. The way of life for a teen age guy is lets see whos pants I can get into. The American way in most homes is lets see how many arguements mom and dad can get into this time. The American way of life sucks."

CY - The American way of life you hate so vehemently hate is the same one that allows you and I to express our opinions, publicly without the fear of govenment retaliation. At least not yet. In fact two people have reportedly been execyuted in China for doing just this
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=6422
If there is some place in the world that is an idealic utopia for you, then I recommend that you strive to live in such a place and forget this country all together. I totally agree with your assessment of American youth. Society is going to hell in a handbasket. But at the same time this is the result of a predominantly liberal entertainment industry that has for decades chanmpioned excess and "freedom of expression", sexual liberation etc.. all at the expense of shunning all forms of personal responsibility. We don't teach children responsibility anymore and we are reaping the results. In fact, if you look at the platform of most liberal parties (and an evergrowing number of conservatives as well) what they stand for is predominantly anti-responsibility. Blame someone else. If you are a deadbeat loser then it's not your fault - its the fault of someone else who has made good choices in life and planned well for their future and the future of their family. That is what liberals preach. It's as if upper middle and wealthy people get their kicks from reading daily reports and celebrating the poor conditions of the lower strata of society.

astrapol2
11-27-2002, 02:59 PM
Originally posted by xingyiman

The American way of life (…) is the same one that allows you and I to express our opinions, publicly without the fear of govenment retaliation.
(…)
Society is going to hell in a handbasket. But at the same time this is the result of a predominantly liberal entertainment industry that has for decades chanmpioned excess and "freedom of expression" (…)

Xingyiman ! Try to be coherent ! You can't blame freedom of expression and defend it in the same post !

About the lack of responsibility : responsibility also means that the rich and powerful have responsibility to help the poor and weak. To make the "good choices" is much easier if you are rich and educated that if you are not !

I believe that individualism and capitalism are the real issues. People see their interest first and don't want to get involved in the society. The economy is driven by profit rather than by public interest. Consuming has becomen the only goal of many people.

xingyiman
11-29-2002, 09:44 AM
Hey asstropal, I am coherent. Why don't you reread the post. I was not slamming freedom of expression in any way shape or form. THere should be no laws prohibiting freedom of expression. What I was trying to illuminate was the flagrant dissregard for societal norms by the entertainment industry that has eroded our ways of life, specifically in the past 10 years or so. Hollywood and the media(both liberally biased) project an "anything goes" attitude and this has led to the unraveling of social morays that discouraged the kinds of unsavory behavior that Confused Youth is so upset about (and rightfully so).
For example, if I am sitting in a classroom at a school and I let out a huge fart, I will offend almost everyone around me. I will be labeled a social deviant who doesn't respect other people. Did I break any laws? No. But sanctions will be raised against me because of this behavior. Girls will not want to go out with me, and generally no one else will want to be associated with me. It is these unspoken rules that regulate such behaviors in society and make it a better place for everyone. In times past there were stigmas attatched to the behaviors that CY was addressing, but the media and entertainment industry through celebration of these undesirables, has led to the current situation that we're in today.
You say it is the resonsibility of the wealthy to help out less fortunate. Are YOU willing to make great sacrifices of your lifestyle and comforts so that people less fortunate can have breaks that they may or may not deserve? IF so then I applaud you. But often times most people who advocate this approach always do so at the expense of others. I wonder if liberal democrat congressmen/women or you Europeans are willing to drop down to a low level income say $25,000.00 US a year so that this can happen? Hmmm.
There is a strong relationship between poverty and education. But at no other time in history has it been easier to acquire education than now. Is it a walk in the park? No it never is. It takes effort. But if you aren't willing to put forth the effort and take advantage of the opportunities available then I have no sympathy for you. And I, as many others like me came from a low level income family, but went to college and eventually succeeded. If I can do it so can anyone else. You see, I was told by my high school guidance counselor that I was going to end up in prison or dead. I was not at the top of the achievement ladder. The opportunities available to us, at least here in this country are more than enough for anyone to suceed - it just takes effort. As for the rest of the world. It's easy to balme the U.S. for all the ills of the rest of the globe with the poverty, wars and all. But gee, who was it that was into the expansionism and exploitation of these countries that eventually led to their current states? Could it have been EUROPEAN imperialsim? History seems to suggest so. I mean come on French guy, who was it that was duking it out in the 19th and early 20th century for control of the 3rd world by occupying states such as Algeria and India? Could it have been France and Great Britan? I think that the nations of Europe have done more to smash the hope of third world empowerment than any other political entities.

astrapol2
11-29-2002, 05:09 PM
Originally posted by xingyiman

I mean come on French guy, who was it that was duking it out in the 19th and early 20th century for control of the 3rd world by occupying states such as Algeria and India? Could it have been France and Great Britan? I think that the nations of Europe have done more to smash the hope of third world empowerment than any other political entities.

I absolutely agree with you on that point. And it's not over : look at what France has been doing in Africa during the last 40 years, it's pretty dirty (I could write about this for pages so if you're interested in more details, just ask !).
My (very short) analysis was of the western society as a whole, and is valid for Europe as well as for the USA. I think our societies are very similar and share many flaws. There are other problems which I didn't mention that are specific to the USA, like violent crime and the gun lobby, but sure I could also find many problems specific to France (Jacques Chirac being a big one).

PS : maybe you were not aware of it but in most countries of the world $25.000 a year is a HUGE income.

DaveTooner
11-30-2002, 09:35 AM
Why is it that liberals always act like western society is "horrible" and these other third world countries are just great? That's what I call bogus multiculturalism.

astrapol2
11-30-2002, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by DaveTooner
Why is it that liberals always act like western society is "horrible" and these other third world countries are just great?

No one here ever wrote such a thing.

Plus, criticism of western society here came both from liberal and conservative points of view (Xingyiman being not precisely liberal, I guess).

It's healthy to be critic on western society, where we are living. We are directly concerned by its problems. And we have the possibility of making it better - at least we should try. Dave, we certainly don't agree on many issues but at least you could admit that there are some things in your country you don't like and you would like to change.

I don't idealize third world countries. I could list lots of reasons why it's better to live in France or the USA rather than in Ethiopia or Laos. But mostly economical or political rather than human.

DaveTooner
12-01-2002, 10:13 PM
Oh, I can tell you plenty of things wrong with my country, but you would probably not agree with me even on those points!

What do you mean by "human" when you say "I don't idealize third world countries. I could list lots of reasons why it's better to live in France or the USA rather than in Ethiopia or Laos. But mostly economical or political rather than human"

astrapol2
12-02-2002, 05:26 AM
I mean that the reasons why I would not like to live in these countries are more related to their poor economy and the lack of democracy than to their culture. (except for Ethiopian food - I never could get use to their national dish, Injera)

DaveTooner
12-02-2002, 08:16 AM
So are you saying you like non-western culture better?

astrapol2
12-02-2002, 09:39 AM
What makes you think so ?