Interesting...

Police in Missouri issued an Amber Alert for a missing fetus. The fetus was 8 months and taken from a murdered woman's uterus. Police chief said he encountered problems raising the Amber Alert because "it was just a fetus."

-Smithers

Originally posted by flyerES
Interesting...

Police in Missouri issued an Amber Alert for a missing fetus. The fetus was 8 months and taken from a murdered woman's uterus. Police chief said he encountered problems raising the Amber Alert because "it was just a fetus."

-Smithers

Looks like people are calling real babies fetuses now...

haha, good one.

Originally posted by flyerES
haha, good one. I fail to find any humor whatsoever in this story. They cut the baby out of the mother. It is a baby whether you admit it or not. The baby has been found and returned to members of the murdered mother's family. Just a tragedy no matter how you look at it.

As it turned out, the fetus/baby/whatever you want to call it lived, so I don't know why an Amber alert would've been an issue.

Would you believe that in some parts of the world that it is perfectly legal to kill that 8 month old fetus?

If the liberals have their way, it will be legal here.

If? have? will? Try
Since, had and IS!

Not it's not. Third trimester abortions are illegal in most places.

Originally posted by HaVoK
I fail to find any humor whatsoever in this story. They cut the baby out of the mother. It is a baby whether you admit it or not. The baby has been found and returned to members of the murdered mother's family. Just a tragedy no matter how you look at it.

That was my point. It's same thing with abortion. They call the infants something else(like fetuses) to make money.

Originally posted by HaVoK
I fail to find any humor whatsoever in this story. They cut the baby out of the mother. It is a baby whether you admit it or not. The baby has been found and returned to members of the murdered mother's family. Just a tragedy no matter how you look at it.

I don't find it funny either. I was laughing at his sarcasm. I thought his point was a good one also. Sorry if I offended.

Originally posted by Blibblob
Not it's not. Third trimester abortions are illegal in most places.

You think that stops doctors from performing the third trimester abortions anyway?? I think not.

You think that stops doctors from performing the third trimester abortions anyway?? I think not.
And do you think banning it outright, or making a mockery about it will stop doctors from doing it anyway?? I think not.

Whatever, this is a perfect example of what a mockery abortion is. An 8 month old fetus is sliced out, umbilical cord cut and is doing fine. What better illustration do you need that abortion is murder? Fetuses in the second trimester can live too.

Oh well, as long as we don't kill those guys on death row, we can rest our counsciousness that we are doing something good, right??

Originally posted by flyerES
I don't find it funny either. I was laughing at his sarcasm. I thought his point was a good one also. Sorry if I offended. No, totally my fault. Im sorry for the misunderstanding.

Originally posted by Karankawa
Whatever, this is a perfect example of what a mockery abortion is. An 8 month old fetus is sliced out, umbilical cord cut and is doing fine. What better illustration do you need that abortion is murder? Fetuses in the second trimester can live too.

Oh well, as long as we don't kill those guys on death row, we can rest our counsciousness that we are doing something good, right?? My thoughts exactly. Good post Karan.

Originally posted by Blibblob
You think that stops doctors from performing the third trimester abortions anyway?? I think not.
And do you think banning it outright, or making a mockery about it will stop doctors from doing it anyway?? I think not.

Do you think third trimester abortions are right or wrong? (that would be a YES/NO question, then followed by an explanation if you want)

Originally posted by flyerES
Do you think third trimester abortions are right or wrong? (that would be a YES/NO question, then followed by an explanation if you want)

Bliblob, answer the question, pussy.

third trimester abortions are murder. if born at 32 weeks, the BABY will live. aborting a baby (by 8 months, it's a baby) is vicious.

I think for the leftists the line is drawn when it actually looks like a human. until then its a cluster of cells.

Originally posted by Travh20
I think for the leftists the line is drawn when it actually looks like a human.

For me, its later than that.

It is not until it can exist on its own outside the womb that i differentiate a fetus from an infant.

Originally posted by Travh20
until then its a cluster of cells.

Yep.

But then, in one respect, aren't all biological lifeforms just clusters of cells?

Originally posted by Freethinker
For me, its later than that.

It is not until it can exist on its own outside the womb that i differentiate a fetus from an infant.

if that's the case, then it's wrong to have an abortion performed in the 2nd trimester as well. there are babies who survive (born) at 24 weeks. they may spend monts in the nicu (until they're healthy enough to go home), but the fact is that babies that premature can survive.

Originally posted by Freethinker
For me, its later than that.

It is not until it can exist on its own outside the womb that i differentiate a fetus from an infant.



Yep.

But then, in one respect, aren't all biological lifeforms just clusters of cells?

Whether or not you look like a human being, it's still a real living baby when it's a fetus.

Originally posted by jennygadling
if that's the case, then it's wrong to have an abortion performed in the 2nd trimester as well. there are babies who survive (born) at 24 weeks. they may spend months in the nicu

If that is the case, then they are not surviving on their own.

Do you think third trimester abortions are right or wrong? (that would be a YES/NO question, then followed by an explanation if you want)
I think all abortions are wrong. However, in the modern age, banning it outright isn't going to do anything right, it's merely going to be the cause of more deaths of the mothers. The supreme court ruled that abortions in the third trimester can be stopped, ones in the first can't. I consider a potential human just as important as a current human, however an abortion in the first trimester is not murder, there is no way that it could either survive on it's own, or is it really human. It has very few human structures, and it's brain is not known to be currently functioning.

Bliblob, answer the question, pussy.
I wasn't on fucktard, take that cat and shove it up your ass.

Originally posted by Freethinker
If that is the case, then they are not surviving on their own.

then technically, neither are newborns or infants or children for that matter. they can't do for themselves. my son has asthma; he has to have breathing treatments daily to help him breathe; is it ok to kill him? the elderly, who often need feeding tubes or those who have dialysis daily because they'd die without it...do they not deserve to live?

i am not anti-abortion (although i don't agree with them), but i do oppose abortions performed as a means of birth control (the women that, instead of using birth control, they have multiple abortions), late term abortions (those who are far enough along to survive, with or without help); i think partial birth abortions are simply murder.
*did you know that a partial-birth abortion can be performed up until the mother gives nirth, as long as the cord and placenta are still intact?

Originally posted by Freethinker
For me, its later than that.

It is not until it can exist on its own outside the womb that i differentiate a fetus from an infant.



Some babies are stronger and better able to survive than others. I gather from your statement that a sick 35th week fetus is less human than a strong one?

Originally posted by jennygadling
then technically, neither are newborns or infants or children for that matter.

I was speaking in terms of their breathiing and existing without being hooked to machines.

Originally posted by jennygadling
the elderly, who often need feeding tubes or those who have dialysis daily because they'd die without it...do they not deserve to live?

As functioning human beings [as opposed to a fetus] they deserve whatever treatment they agree to......but most importantly, they deserve to be allowed to DIE, if that is what they CHOOSE to do.


Originally posted by jennygadling
*did you know that a partial-birth abortion can be performed up until the mother gives nirth, as long as the cord and placenta are still intact?

Did you know that partial birth abortion is performed FAR less often than the anti-choicers would have you believe, and that it is simply an emotional hot-button issue used --in a very dishonest way-- by those on the right to inflame the masses into vehemently opposing abortion?

Originally posted by Brooks
Some babies are stronger and better able to survive than others. I gather from your statement that a sick 35th week fetus less human than a strong one?

thanks, brooks. read my last post; that was my argument. if someone OF ANY AGE is able to survive, then they should be given an opportunity to live.

Originally posted by Freethinker
[B}Did you know that partial birth abortion is performed FAR less often than the anti-choicers would have you believe, and that it is simply an emotional hot-button issue used --in a very dishonest way-- by those on the right to inflame the masses into vehemently opposing abortion? [/B]

i'm aware that there aren't many p.b.abortions being performed. my argument is that it's murder; they should be illegal.