Interesting article...

http://elroy.net/ehr/abortion.html

That is a pretty interesting article. Regardless, however, I do not think God would condone using abortion as an emergency birth control for people who are irresponsible.

What about rape?

[quote:a53c50747d="ConfusedYouth"]What about rape?[/quote:a53c50747d]

This is my personal belief on this subject. If anyone dissagrees thats fine, but i don't want to be flamed over it. I used to belief that abortion after rape was ok, however i no longer believe that. If I were the Unborn product of a rape I would want the chance to live, wouldn't you? The Only time I can agree with an abortion is if there is a high risk of the mother dying during the birth.

[quote:3bacb9f37d="DaveTooner"]That is a pretty interesting article. Regardless, however, I do not think God would condone using abortion as an emergency birth control for people who are irresponsible.[/quote:3bacb9f37d]

Does God want irresponsible people raising children instead?

[quote:a7acc91081="SB54"]This is my personal belief on this subject. If anyone dissagrees thats fine, but i don't want to be flamed over it. I used to belief that abortion after rape was ok, however i no longer believe that. If I were the Unborn product of a rape I would want the chance to live, wouldn't you? The Only time I can agree with an abortion is if there is a high risk of the mother dying during the birth.[/quote:a7acc91081]

I promise not to flame you, but I do have to respectfully disagree. This is where the nitch of the abortion issue lies for me, in the present. What I mean by that is that if I were aborted at say, four months gestation, I wouldn't know it, I wouldn't care, I would have had no thought process of knowing that "I am" or that "I was."

When a fetus is aborted the possible potential of that fetus developing into a child and then an adult is lost. But, abortion takes place in the present circumstances. During pregnancy, especially in the first or second trimester, brain waves show us (brain waves that can't even be detected until the brain has developed quite a few months) these brain waves show us that not much thought is taking place. Even newborns have thought patterns and can choose to react to certain stimuli certain ways. Newborns respond to the touch of live humans and animals differently than they do to stuffed animals right from the beginning of life.

Comparing the brain waves of a fetus to those being produced by the woman carrying it leaves me with no doubt as to which is a more important member of our society.

[quote:3758a43f29="J_Lively"][quote:3758a43f29="DaveTooner"]That is a pretty interesting article. Regardless, however, I do not think God would condone using abortion as an emergency birth control for people who are irresponsible.[/quote:3758a43f29]

Does God want irresponsible people raising children instead?[/quote:3758a43f29]

Just because someone makes irresponsible sexual decisions does not mean they would be irresponsible parents. To most people it would be a wake up call and cause them to get their butt in gear.

[quote:995e557d91="DaveTooner"]Just because someone makes irresponsible sexual decisions does not mean they would be irresponsible parents. To most people it would be a wake up call and cause them to get their butt in gear.[/quote:995e557d91]

Oh goodness, do I EVER disagree! I would dare to say that over 50,000 children in foster/state care across our nation would disagree with you as well.

I think my question about God wanting irresponsible people to have children was unfair though. You have no way of knowing how God feels about that. It was prompted by your statement that God doesn't like irresponsible people using abortion as emergency birth control -- which you really have no way of knowing either.

Personally, for me, I see abortion as less of a Biblical or moral topic and more of societal one dealing with personal choice and reproductive rights.

Okay now that I thought about it, I will admit you are probably right about these people being irresponsible parents. Most of the time, not all the time.

Now the idea of God prefering an abortion over a child coming into a life that is just a bad situation , is not a far fetched idea. However, in my expereince, and that of many others, God often uses seemingly negative life expereinces in such a way that it leads to something very positive.

Example: Some kid has abusive parents. When he leaves his parents household, he becomes active in fighting child abuse. Or perhaps he adopts some childeren who were taken out of abusive homes. Anyhow, he ends up helping many childeren that he probably wouldn't have helped without this experience as a child.

Its hard to say.

[quote:2ccf512b20="DaveTooner"]Now the idea of God prefering an abortion over a child coming into a life that is just a bad situation , is not a far fetched idea. However, in my expereince, and that of many others, God often uses seemingly negative life expereinces in such a way that it leads to something very positive.

Example: Some kid has abusive parents. When he leaves his parents household, he becomes active in fighting child abuse. Or perhaps he adopts some childeren who were taken out of abusive homes. Anyhow, he ends up helping many childeren that he probably wouldn't have helped without this experience as a child.[/quote:2ccf512b20]

I understand what you're saying, and it is hard to say with any certainty how a child will turn out. However, according to statistics the child of an abusive home is most likely to grow up to be a violent criminal or to carry on the cycle of abuse against his own family. Stats only show us the most likely outcome, of course there are no definites.

hey lively, why not just kill the unwatned kids in foster care, or kill off the people with harldly any brainwaves, or the retarded, or anyone who doesnt match up to your definition of a person. You sound like Hitler. You sound heatless and cold, you are sad. Baseing a humans worth on some BS statistics, freaking sad, damn liberals religion is politics and statistics, not love and life.

Originally posted by Travh20
hey lively, why not just kill the unwatned kids in foster care, or kill off the people with harldly any brainwaves, or the retarded, or anyone who doesnt match up to your definition of a person. You sound like Hitler. You sound heatless and cold, you are sad. Baseing a humans worth on some BS statistics, freaking sad, damn liberals religion is politics and statistics, not love and life.

Oh, blah, blah, blah... I've answered these questions already. I wish you would actually read posts instead going off half cocked.

I have told you the difference between the born and the unborn. Even the most mentally handicapped person (calling anyone "retarded" is very disrespectful) has developed more of the brain than a fetus.

Do you think that a fetus has a brain, eyes, heart and everything else from the very beginning? Those parts have to develop.

Please read a biology book! Please! Education is a good thing and you would be able to follow conversations easier.

J_Lively: The voice of reason in a world of morons. I completely, totally, and absolutely agree with him. Especially the last paragraph.

Anyone read the comic strip "Pickles" the past couple of days?

Originally posted by BorgHunter
J_Lively: The voice of reason in a world of morons. I completely, totally, and absolutely agree with him. Especially the last paragraph.

Anyone read the comic strip "Pickles" the past couple of days?

I guess it would be safe to call Trav our village idiot, for the moment. Most of the members here are much more reasonable. Even Dave, as much I disagree with almost everything he posts, always offers sound views and, usually, civil responses.

You'll like it here -- just ignore Trav. :)

damn liberals religion is politics and statistics, not love and life.

Liberalism is not a religion. Liberalism is a political party. I can lend you books on liberalism if you need more information.

You talk about life. If memory serves me correctly you support war. In the process of war civilians die. Do you really love life?

Well if it ain't Buckshot Travis. How ya been?

Saved that picture of ya:

Thunderchicken is back!!! LOL!! good to see that picture :)