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Echo2
12-15-2004, 05:46 PM
Amputation rate for US troops twice that of past wars
Doctors cite need for prosthetics as more lives saved
By Raja Mishra, Boston Globe | December 9, 2004

US troops injured in Iraq have required limb amputations at twice the rate of past wars, and as many as 20 percent have suffered head and neck injuries that may require a lifetime of care, according to new data giving the clearest picture yet of the severity of battlefield wounds.

The data are the grisly flip side of improvements in battlefield medicine that have saved many combatants who would have died in the past: Only 1 in 10 US troops injured in Iraq has died, the lowest rate of any war in US history.

But those who survive have much more grievous wounds. Bulletproof Kevlar vests protect soldiers' bodies but not their limbs, as insurgent snipers and makeshift bombs tear off arms and legs and rip into faces and necks. More than half of those injured sustain wounds so serious they cannot return to duty, according to Pentagon statistics.

Much attention has focused on the 1,000-plus soldiers killed in Iraq, but the Pentagon has released little information on the 9,765 soldiers injured as of this week.

"The death rate isn't great compared to Vietnam, Korea, and World War II. But these soldiers are coming back to their communities and people are seeing just how high the price is that these young people are paying," said Dr. G. Richard Holt, a head and neck surgeon at the University of Texas Health Science Center in San Antonio and a retired US Army surgeon who served as a civilian adviser in Iraq earlier this year.

Responding to the large number of amputations, scientists at Brown University in Providence and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology yesterday announced a $7.2 million research program to design more functional prosthetic limbs. The US Department of Veterans Affairs is paying for the work.

Data compiled by the US Senate, and included in the 2005 defense appropriations bill in support of a request for increased funding for the care of amputees at Walter Reed Army Medical Center, reveal that 6 percent of those wounded in Iraq have required amputations, compared with a rate of 3 percent for past wars.

According to Brown Medical School's Dr. Roy Aaron, the current VA medical system "literally cannot handle the load" of amputees.

Aaron is heading up the Brown-MIT effort, which will also include the Providence VA Medical Center.

"Amputee research has never been a high priority because it's not . . . fashionable," said Aaron. "Iraq has changed that."

Stephan Fihn, acting VA chief research and development officer, said that military officials were concerned about the expected flood of amputees but that the system would "absolutely, without a doubt" be able to handle them.

"Returning veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan are our highest priority now," he said.

The new Brown-MIT effort, funded for five years by the VA, will research methods to build better titanium prosthetic limbs, extend bone stumps for tighter attachment of prosthetics, and use computer technology to develop prosthetic devices that can be controlled by brain sensors implanted in patients. However, the advances will not be ready for years, and many Iraq veterans will not immediately benefit, said Aaron.

In today's New England Journal of Medicine, journalist and Harvard surgeon Dr. Atul Gawande, writes: "The nation's military surgical teams are under tremendous pressure, but they have performed remarkably in this war. They have transformed the strategy for the treatment of war casualties."

In World War II, about 30 percent of those wounded died, and in Vietnam the figure was 24 percent. In Iraq and Afghanistan, the mortality rate has been 10 percent.

Gawande and others credited improvements made after Vietnam, when medics noted that most soldiers who made it to surgical facilities survived. In Iraq, military field surgical teams work just behind front lines, with four surgeons and a nursing team able to erect a four-bed surgical unit in one hour. In the current conflict, the average time it takes a wounded soldier to go from the battlefield to front-line care and on to full-service military hospitals in Germany, Kuwait, and Spain has been about four days, compared with weeks in previous wars.

In addition to amputations, many soldiers making this journey have head and neck injuries, frequently injured by improvised explosive devices, or IEDs, essentially remote-controlled bombs planted in the ground.

"The angle of the force of these IEDs is right for the neck and face. That's been devastating to folks over there," said Holt, explaining that Kevlar helmets do not protect the underside of heads and necks, where crucial nerves and blood vessels lie.

Lieutenant Colonel Michael S. Xydakis, a military surgeon, released a little-noticed study in September at a medical conference of head and neck surgeons. He found that over a 14-month period, about 1 in 5 US soldiers treated at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany, which handles most Iraq casualties, had head or neck injuries.

These injuries, surgeons said, have long-term implications, with many involving irreversible brain damage, breathing and eating impairments, blindness, or severe disfiguration. The study prompted the military to add a full-time head and neck surgeon to a Baghdad field hospital.

"These folks are just starting to come back, and they may require care for a long, long time," said Holt.

Travh20
12-15-2004, 10:59 PM
the army doctors are keeping more men alive then ever before, and the libs find something to bitch about. I guess echo would rather have these guys with no legs be dead. If they live they will be a big burden on the country. sounds like the abortion argument. kids born to people who dont want them will be a big hassle and very expensive, better to just kill them.

so should we just let these men die on the battlefield echo?

Ed Blank
12-17-2004, 12:36 PM
No, Captain Conservative, we don't want them to die.

We just want to illuminate the facts.

Travh20
12-17-2004, 01:10 PM
Ok, so more men are surviving what used to be fatal wounds, and to you thats a bad thing

Ed Blank
12-20-2004, 11:42 AM
Everyone says "1000 people have died so far" but the number of people missing limbs is relevant to this discussion as well.

I find it shocking that there are actually 10,000 people who have been forever changed by this military action. That equals tens of thousands of Americans who have a relative who has been maimed or killed.

I don't think the soldiers surviving their injuries is a bad thing. I think them getting blown up in the first place is a bad thing.

Decka
12-21-2004, 10:07 AM
i agree with trav...it seems echo would rather have them dead. Do liberals even know what war is?

Lungdop Philing
12-21-2004, 02:09 PM
Well here's 60 more wounded for them to deal with ...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/fc?cid=34&tmpl=fc&in=World&cat=Iraq

And a media outlet in Richmond VA is reporting 24 killed (total)with 14 being american troops.

What is it they keep telling us? "We're turning the corner", "Mission accomplished", "We've got them on the run", "Bring 'em on" ...

How about "None of the frigging above"?

Geeesh ... this is a truly sad day.

Dop

Ed Blank
12-22-2004, 11:52 AM
I know what war is. That's why I wish they would stop.

You Jingoists seem to think it's okay as long as you remind us "war is Hell".

Echo2
12-22-2004, 12:02 PM
Your callous attitude towards our mutilated soldiers is disgusting. You don't want to have them brought into the complete war picture so you turn the discussion into "would you rather have them dead?"

The more you say the more you reveal your truly dispicable outlook. You don't give a damn about how many young men and women die or are mutilated for life. As long as we keep fighting. You don't want anyone to bring up the dead or wounded because it tells the true story of what is going on over there. All you want to hear about is the positive side of war. I got news for you, the ugly side of war is a reality. And the young people who have lost arms, legs, faces, feet, hands, etc deserve to not be forgotten. You want to keep them a closet and not talk about the lives have been altered forever. You make me sick to my stomeck.

Travh20
12-22-2004, 12:09 PM
STFU lady. I have seen war and lost a friend and had friends who were wounded. dont fucking lecture me on this shit.

Echo2
12-22-2004, 12:39 PM
To see what the warmongers don't want you to know or talk about visit this website. Caution, it is graphic.

http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/wounded/gallery.htm

Travh20
12-22-2004, 12:47 PM
I dont need to go to your site, I have seen it with my own eyes.

DanF
12-22-2004, 01:35 PM
1300 college students killed by alcohol this and every year.
Thousands more lost limbs and became bed-ridden.
Anyone care about this loss of young lives.

Travh20
12-22-2004, 01:57 PM
not unless they can pin it on bush somehow.

Ed Blank
12-22-2004, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by Dan Fussell
1300 college students killed by alcohol this and every year.
Thousands more lost limbs and became bed-ridden.
Anyone care about this loss of young lives.

Oh you're right. Nothing we've talked about so far matters now.

Travh20
12-22-2004, 02:04 PM
its called perspective Blank, look it up

Echo2
12-22-2004, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by Dan Fussell
1300 college students killed by alcohol this and every year.
Thousands more lost limbs and became bed-ridden.
Anyone care about this loss of young lives.

I think most people do care about those lifes. And many of us volunteer our time or donate money to causes that inform teens about the dangers of alcohol/drugs and driving.

Someone caring about our young soldiers lives does not automatically denote that they don't care about other young lives.

I hope that is not what you are trying to imply.

Whether you want to believe it or not, caring aboutour soldiers lives and limbs has nothing to do with bush. Empathetic people would care about our soldiers no matter who was president.

I'm hoping you republicans aren't that shallow.

DanF
12-22-2004, 06:32 PM
Echo, I am not a Republican.