The following is a quote from a book used at Cary Christian School in Cary, North Carolina.


Slavery as it existed in the South was not an adversarial relationship with pervasive racial animosity. Because of its dominantly patriarchal character, it was a relationship based upon mutual affection and confidence...

...Slave life was to them a life of plenty, of simple pleasures, of food, clothes, and good medical care.

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What do you guys think? All we really need is a new generation of racists.

An interesting take on slavery. Not sure i agree with it though. That relationship might have existed in some parts of the south, but not many. Mostly, it was about how much you could get and how little you could put in.

On a similar note, (sry to sidetrack) what about slavery in Rome? Opinions on that?

Originally posted by Idioteque
The following is a quote from a book used at Cary Christian School in Cary, North Carolina.

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What do you guys think? All we really need is a new generation of racists.

Assuming that's true, I still doubt that it will make a new generation of racists. Really ignorant slavery apologists perhaps, but not racists.

I don't know that it will produce a new generation of racists. It is, however a view of slavery that is not supported by the facts. It assumes that freedom was not valued by the slaves. The number of escaped slaves making their way north via the underground railroad shows that view to be false. I saw a wonderful show on public television that showed how directions and maps for escaping were sewed into the designs in quilts.

Probably like prison today. Some accept their circumstances but not the idea of no freedom.

As for the idea of new racists-
People are born everyday that grow up to be against anything not like them. Kind of like this left and right crap.

My husband was born in 1953. He used to tell stories about when he was a kid and the way he would be treated by some white people. It made me sick.

Racism is alive and well today. We had a woman throw a big cup of cola and ice on us once while we were eating our lunch. She was offended by a white and black person being together.

Hating a group of people for what they are is wrong. Discrimination is wrong.

I understand the southern racist.

Mixing of the races will eventually eliminate Europeans. (It will eliminate all other "pure" races too, but the European is probably more worried about such a thing than others).

There isn't going to be a "new" generation of racists because racism was never gone in the first place. It's not as overt as it used to be but it's still very much alive.

What irks me is that speaking out against racism is often just dismissed as political correctness. There are also a lot of people who think that racism isn't a problem in America, or that it's somehow alright or even necessary.

For example:
Originally posted by Echo2
We had a woman throw a big cup of cola and ice on us once while we were eating our lunch. She was offended by a white and black person being together.
Some common responses might be "How do you know she did it because a black person and a white person were together? Stop blaming everything on racism!", or "So she threw some soda at you, big deal, get over it."
Whether it's by choice or by inability, some people just don't understand what it's like to be discriminated against.

I dont see how you can get offended at that and then not be offended at some of the other revisionist crap in our school books. at least this is aprivate school, go check out some public school text books and see what they are doing.

I dont see how you can get offended at that and then not be offended at some of the other revisionist crap in our school books. at least this is aprivate school, go check out some public school text books and see what they are doing.
Point somthing out? I see a bunch of stupid mistakes, some stuff that's outdated, but nothing like that. That kind of crap was taught 50 years ago and the apoligetic historians have since hidden or died out.

nevertheless, agree or disagree, its a private school so we cant do anything about it. what we need to concern ourselves with is the revisionist stuff our public schools are teaching

Originally posted by Jester
Some common responses might be "How do you know she did it because a black person and a white person were together? Stop blaming everything on racism!", or "So she threw some soda at you, big deal, get over it."
Whether it's by choice or by inability, some people just don't understand what it's like to be discriminated against.

I admit that was my first thought, but I'm sure it's pretty easy to tell by the look in someone's eye what their intentions were, so I have no doubt that she's right. But that doesn't change the fact that racist intent gets attributed to incidents where it didn't exist. I can think of two incidents right off the top of my head where a reactionary could conceivably view my actions as racist or anti-gay when in fact they were nothing of the sort. The reality lays somewhere in between the straight white guys in denial and the reactionary black militants.

Ever been in Cary NC?

It's true ... they're still fighting the civil war.

It's hard to believe anyone can still defend slavery and these are the same people that tell the dems to get over it.

LOL

Dop

One of my grandsons had a black father. I still love him. I did not like the bastard that was his father and glad he is not still in the family. Had nothing to do with him being black, he is just a drug dealing son-of-bitch I did not like.

Being from the south I have seen black and white racists. When I was in Texas years ago it was racist against Asians. The mexican and white fisherman fought with them constantly. Now in North Fla. I see white/black/mexican racists on each side.
Next, I see the poor/rich conflicts.

Then I see the majority of the people get along just fine.

Originally posted by LionelHutz
Assuming that's true, I still doubt that it will make a new generation of racists. Really ignorant slavery apologists perhaps, but not racists.

This is a very interesting statement. I have a question that I would like for you to answer:

Would we be wrong if we apologised for salvery?

Originally posted by Dunkirk101

Would we be wrong if we apologised for salvery? Hasnt it already been done to death? How long does the apology last?

So a black person that no one on this board has never met personally was enslaved. That is atrocious. Im sorry that some white person that I never met personally used them for their menial labor and treated them like animals. There, is that enough?


Of course not. Becuase then when a black person in todays society doesnt make something of themselves, they wouldnt have anyone or anything to blame it on other than themselves. So we, as a society, choose to perpetuate the memory of slavery. Didnt get that job? Obviously the reason is that the human resources personel didnt like black people. Didnt pass that test? Obviously the math was racially motivated, because we all know that whites and orientals are better able to do math. These are just two of the countless examples of why the slavery issue is not allowed to die, and the apology is not accepted.

I do not intend to appologize for something I did not have a damn thing to do with. What would that accomplish? As far as I know all slaves are dead by now anyway.

Originally posted by Dunkirk101
Would we be wrong if we apologised for salvery?

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I think you misunderstand what I'm saying.

Apologist - A person who argues in defense or justification of something, such as a doctrine, policy, or institution.

So I'm not arguing that to apologize for slavery is ignorant, I'm saying that people who would argue that slavery "wasn't that bad" are ignorant.

The next time you are doing something on your job that you do not like to do, but do anyway to keep the money coming in, you might think about slavery.
Must have been terrible. Especially seeing family and friends sold off never to return.

But then again, it was not my fault. I personally apologize for nothing.
What good would it do me for some German,that had nothing to do with it, apologize to me for Hitlers army killing my uncle.
I believe every person is on their own and responsible for their own actions or life situation.

Originally posted by Jester
Some common responses might be "How do you know she did it because a black person and a white person were together? Stop blaming everything on racism!", or "So she threw some soda at you, big deal, get over it."
Whether it's by choice or by inability, some people just don't understand what it's like to be discriminated against.

SHe said to me as she threw the cup of soda "nigger lover". I think that pretty well said it all.

Jester, It was years ago and I am over it. I was useing it as an example that racism is alive and well in America. In fact Many americans have expanded their hatred to people of other faiths. There are many people practicing faithism. This whole debacle over giving gays equal rights is founded in faithism.

Originally posted by Echo2

I was useing it as an example that racism is alive and well in America. In fact Many americans have expanded their hatred to people of other faiths. There are a lot of things alive and well in this country. Your hatred of religion is one form of hatred that looks to be popular these days. But you dont see that, do you? Your hatred blinds you to your own culpability.

Originally posted by Jester
There isn't going to be a "new" generation of racists because racism was never gone in the first place. It's not as overt as it used to be but it's still very much alive.

What irks me is that speaking out against racism is often just dismissed as political correctness. There are also a lot of people who think that racism isn't a problem in America, or that it's somehow alright or even necessary.

For example:

Some common responses might be "How do you know she did it because a black person and a white person were together? Stop blaming everything on racism!", or "So she threw some soda at you, big deal, get over it."
Whether it's by choice or by inability, some people just don't understand what it's like to be discriminated against.

truth if i've ever seen it, jester; way to go!
racism has never disappeared. it's everywhere. it's covered up alot; it's often masked with humor.
those who say "get over it" have obviously not been a target of discrimination. let someone hate you for something, especially something you cannot control, and then tell me you still say that we should get over it(notice i said something that cannot be helped; anyone's choice to be an idiot is not included.lol).

Couple things.

Apologizing for slavery. First off, the Western world is unique in the world in that while it could've kept slaves, it stopped doing so, and made those in the territories it held stop keeping slaves. Here in the U.S., we fought a war over the issue of slavery, and some SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND people died. The old South got smashed flat for it's "sin" in keeping slaves. While the United States may not have apologized for harboring the institution of slavery, we paid dearly. And if people paid attention to history and read a book or two, they'd know that. While I'm on the subject, would it be too god-damned much to ask for countries to give us thanks for the good things we did rather then harp on all the percieved wrongs the U.S. did??


Racism alive and well. In his book "What's So Great About America" Dinesh D'Souza, a man from India, (he is a minority and looks it) commented how often racism is talked about, and how few times he has seen it, and even fewer times he had experienced it. Also, S'Souza had been in several debates in various colleges about racism. Somebody will say that colleges are keeping minorities out. He responds by saying who's the bigot keeping minorities out? Let's get rid of that person. He has yet to uncover a single bigot.

In short, I lose patience with the idea that America is a racist nation. America is one of the most tolerant. But if all you are going to do is find one example of some bigot wearing a white sheet, or some idiot driving around with a confederate flag, more power to you, just don't post about it here. You will suffer my...displeasure.

Oh!

I see alot more racism from blacks to whites than whites to blacks. Go to the inner city and see how much respect those "brothas" give you because you are white.

With such a rich history of slavery over the globe; it really makes a tough argument;
can the sons be liable for the sins of the fathers?
I think not.

Is it racism or segregation when one group alienates others ?
When equal rights opened some doors not everyone wanted opened.
IE.. A men's club that didn't want women.
Their choice right..They started the club.
Or guys that felt they should be part of the wait staff @Hooters.
Seems kinda stupid. I don't go to Hooters to see guys.
You can't have it "all white" or "all men"..

Ideally w/equal rights you should have an open door policy w/o discrimination. Right ?
No special services for specific people like affirmative action.
There might a problem if the Grammys only recognised white folks.
Oops...What about Latin Grammys and Vibe awards..
Or if the Oscars catered to whites..
Oops again there are the Image and Essence awards..
What about white tv ? ..Oops BET..

Special circumstances for Special people

the movie 'Bulworth'
He suggests as a cure to racism 'a free-spirited, voluntary deconstruction of racial identities'.
'Everybody keeps fucking everybody until we all look the same.'

I don’t think we are as tolerant of a nation as we would like to think we are.

Originally posted by Overdose
I don’t think we are as tolerant of a nation as we would like to think we are. I think whoever is looking for intolerance will find it no matter. Any example found will be held up to an "I told you so" type of thing. Such as some idiot out of a million normal people, that is prejudiced will be used for liberals to tell us all how we are not as tolerant a nation as we would like to think we are. I mean, im sure in your whopping 15 years of life you have countless stories to tell.

The problem with slavery that still carries over to the present day is:

the wealth generated by slavery is still in the hands of Europeans (read: white people).

America's wealth is largely blood money. Of course Europeans won't apologize for this. They believe in Imperialism and they believe they are entitled to whatever they can take by force.

quote:
Originally posted by Dunkirk101
Would we be wrong if we apologised for salvery?

To whom or to which group ?

The Spanish explorers and then the American settlers pretty much fucked the indians..they were ripped off, enslaved, and given all the disease we could carry over from europe..
The Spanish had an enormous need for labor in their silver & gold mines as well as the plantations and cattle ranches of Latin America. At one point in history a Catholic monk brought attention to the slavery and death of all the Native Americans which made them "hands off".
The Spanish then began to import millions of Africans to fill the void.
More than the British or Americans brought to the U.S.
Britian dominated the slave trade over 100 years. Traded huge numbers of Africans to English, Spanish and French colonies in the Americas.

So who does the apologizing and to whom ?

Originally posted by HaVoK
There are a lot of things alive and well in this country. Your hatred of religion is one form of hatred that looks to be popular these days. But you dont see that, do you? Your hatred blinds you to your own culpability.

I do not hate religion. That may be your perspective, but it is not accurate. I hate what religion does to people and how it is used to discriminate against minorites.

Religion was used as a reason/excuse for slavery.
Religion was used as an reason/excuse to keep women from having equal rights.
Religion IS being used to discriminate against gays.

The excuse that religious people use for discriminating against homosexuals is....I don't hate the person, I hate the act.

Well, I don't hate religious people, I hate what they use religion for.

Originally posted by Echo2
I do not hate religion. That may be your perspective, but it is not accurate. I hate what religion does to people and how it is used to discriminate against minorites.

Religion was used as a reason/excuse for slavery.
Religion was used as an reason/excuse to keep women from having equal rights.
Religion IS being used to discriminate against gays.

The excuse that religious people use for discriminating against homosexuals is....I don't hate the person, I hate the act.

Well, I don't hate religious people, I hate what they use religion for. Sure echo. I see becoming a more honest person was not one of your resolutions for the new year.

yea.....we could come up with QUITE a list of quotes from you that offer evidence to the contrary.....echo

That is becauae when you read something you interpret it with your own bias.

When I say I believe religion is evil, that does not mean I hate it. Hate agaist evil is a christian value. As a Taoist I know that everything is a balance. Without evil, there is no good. without right, there is no wrong.

You cannot come up with a quote (that hasn't been doctored) where I have stated pointedly that "I hate religion ".

Your bias shows even in your interpretations of what people actually say.