Everyone here on this board has tried to explain God's ways (duh, thats why we're here), and I now know why everything happens. I know why there is evil, why there is tradgedy, and why there are things we cannot explain. The reason God does all of this stuff is because he is God. Plain and simple. He's God, we're not, so who are we to question him? That would be like the worm in the garden questioning the gardener on why he puts plants in certain places. That worm has no right to question the gardner just as we have no right to question God. In fact, the way i see it is that if you question God, it is merely satanic pride, and the exact opposite of where you want to be on the moral spectrum.

Looks like in the end all we can do is shut up and ride the wave. What do you think?

btw. don't know if this has been posted already (prolly has) but w/e, i think it's an interesting concept.

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Yes, but why is God, God? What is it? What does it do for us? Wouldn't it be funny that during your life you were one of those uber followers, but when you died expecting to go fyling up high to the pearly gates of heaven, nothing happened. You just sorta stopped existing. Wouldn't you be like "Damn all those years and this is what I get!" of course you'll be a wee bit too dead to actually be doing or be thinking....but yes if all God does is just be God well then I guess it's doing a pretty good job...if you meant it was just "existing" out there....not down the street I hope...'nuff said...:@@:

Whatever you are taking, I DON'T want some of that.

551 posts with that kinda of logic steaming you along? How..?

Originally posted by Shadow Garnet
Wouldn't it be funny that during your life you were one of those uber followers, but when you died expecting to go fyling up high to the pearly gates of heaven, nothing happened. You just sorta stopped existing. Wouldn't you be like "Damn all those years and this is what I get!" of course you'll be a wee bit too dead to actually be doing or be thinking....

This is actually a very good question. My life as a Christian has been very rewarding. It has been far more rewarding than the 2 1/2 decades I spent being a non-Christian. If I die and it turns out that there really is no god, I will have lost nothing.

Originally posted by Evil Homer
Everyone here on this board has tried to explain God's ways (duh, thats why we're here), and I now know why everything happens.

can you tell me the lottery #'s please, oh mighty one :D

I know why there is evil, why there is tradgedy, and why there are things we cannot explain.

Evil??? maybe there is no evil just miss understanding?

The reason God does all of this stuff is because he is God. Plain and simple. He's God, we're not, so who are we to question him?

some say we are God's creation so why wouldn't we have the right to question?

That would be like the worm in the garden questioning the gardener on why he puts plants in certain places. That worm has no right to question the gardner just as we have no right to question God.

BUT, If the worm could question the gardener he{worm} might find out there is a better place {area} to live.

In fact, the way i see it is that if you question God, it is merely satanic pride, and the exact opposite of where you want to be on the moral spectrum.

satanic pride :D :D :D so if I am given the intelligence to ask{or try to understand} questions and use it, then I'm satanic. That is silly and if I were the creator I would laugh at fools that never question. How can anyone learn without questions.

Looks like in the end all we can do is shut up and ride the wave. What do you think?

So we don't ask anything and end up on the wrong wave then what? Questions are not harmfull and learning as much as one can will help find answers.

Ok Uncool Duck this is actually the very first step that any christian has made to possibly explaining the connection etc.

Your not actually bothered if there is or isnt a God, So why has Christianity made you a better person and allowed those years to be more rewarding than others?

You can question God all you want and God will answer. You just have to know how to listen.

Originally posted by Ed Blank
You can question God all you want and God will answer. You just have to know how to listen.

*sighs* yeh ok then.

Forget questioning God... Buy a Magic 8 ball!

Originally posted by box19
Forget questioning God... Buy a Magic 8 ball!

Nah cause then they would have a real answer and wheres the fun in that

Originally posted by Lokideviluk
Ok Uncool Duck this is actually the very first step that any christian has made to possibly explaining the connection etc.

Your not actually bothered if there is or isnt a God, So why has Christianity made you a better person and allowed those years to be more rewarding than others?

One of the things Christianity has done for me is to give me a compass pointing to a way to act. It has set certain perameters that benefit me. There are many examples of this, but I'll start with a rather trivial one: drinking.

Prior to coming to Christ, I was a lush. And why not? I had fun drinking (or at least I thought I did) and hey, puking it all out in the sink later that night and having a headache the following day was a small price to pay. Right?

Now I'm not a teetotaler. The Bible does not prohibit all drinking. It just says do not get drunk. I still have a glass of wine with dinner, or a beer at the ballgame once in a while, but that's it.

I've found that I actually have more fun when I don't get drunk, and when I associate with people who are likewise sober.

That's just one quick example of why it's worked for me.

Seriously.

There is a reason why there is evil. Not just because "God said so".

What kind of dysfuctional God would that be?

The perfect answer?

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

What have you been smoking?

Originally posted by Echo2
The perfect answer?

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

What have you been smoking?

Whatever it is, it's not nearly as potent as what you guys have been smoking in Portland.

What i was talking about was how we try to rationalize god in order to justify ourselves. I'd be willing to bet that everyone here has felt unjustly punished. Now some people, when they feel this way towards god, try to put him in a little logic box. they begin to wonder if what god is doing is right. All but the most devout have done this.
As it turns out, yes, what god does is always right. When we start to question him, we step out of our place as his creations and try to become his equal. To me, this would seem as a most grevious affront to his power, and not to mention blasphemous.

As for my worm analogy, there would be nothing wrong with the worm asking the gardener where the best soil is, but telling where to plant things? If a bug, a lifeform so far lower than me on an intellectual scale tells me how to run things, i'd feel pretty insulted, wouldn't you?

I agree that there is a reason behind evil. I'm just saying, it probably isn't the reason we come up with. God, being God, ought to have a much higher developed sense of reason, justice, and morality.

Finally, id say my answer is perfect. It explains itself while explaining something else. A perfect circular definition.

Originally posted by UnCoolDuck
Whatever it is, it's not nearly as potent as what you guys have been smoking in Portland.

Proud Portlander!

Originally posted by Evil Homer
What i was talking about was how we try to rationalize god in order to justify ourselves.

nothing wrong with that

I'd be willing to bet that everyone here has felt unjustly punished. Now some people, when they feel this way towards god, try to put him in a little logic box.

nothing wrong with this either. If God did create us then I quess he would be expecting us to react this way.

they begin to wonder if what god is doing is right. All but the most devout have done this.

I don't think they wonder if God is doing right or wrong I think they are just wondering why. Sometimes things seem to happen for no reason, but it does not mean we shouldn't ask why.


[qoute] As it turns out, yes, what god does is always right. When we start to question him, we step out of our place as his creations and try to become his equal.[/quote]

asking questions does not make anyone an equal, it only helps to explain.

To me, this would seem as a most grevious affront to his power, and not to mention blasphemous.

or if the creator made something smart enough to ask and it didn't that would be an even bigger insult. After all if the creation thinks it has the answer, then it must also feel smarter then the creator

As for my worm analogy, there would be nothing wrong with the worm asking the gardener where the best soil is, but telling where to plant things?

asking and giving orders are two totally different things.

If a bug, a lifeform so far lower than me on an intellectual scale tells me how to run things, i'd feel pretty insulted, wouldn't you?

the funny thing is that we can learn from the bug just as the bug can learn from us. No one said we were telling the creator to do anything we are only wondering why things are as they are

I agree that there is a reason behind evil.

if there is a reason then would it still be evil or would it be something that needed to happen.

I'm just saying, it probably isn't the reason we come up with.

this is why we ask the questions and learn so we can understand better.

God, being God, ought to have a much higher developed sense of reason, justice, and morality.

God probably has its own plan wether we understand or not is not our business, BUT what happens to us personally is our business

Finally, id say my answer is perfect. It explains itself while explaining something else. A perfect circular definition.

Your answer is not perfect it leaves to much unexplained, and besides if you had the perfect answer wouldn't you be God :eek: :)

hehe. touche.

There is a very fine line between questioning why and questioning the morality of a thing. Especially when that question turns out to be 'why me?'

Second, nothing is our buisness, and everything is God's buisness. Compared to God, we are nothing. We don't even deserve to be alive. Nothing deserves to be alive. The mere fact that we exist should be humbling enough and a testament to His generosity.

Finally, would anyone care to give a guess as to where i came across this idea? might suprise some, might not.

....from god?

Looks like you may have been reading Job.

Originally posted by Evil Homer
There is a very fine line between questioning why and questioning the morality of a thing. Especially when that question turns out to be 'why me?'

If something happens to a person they have every right to ASK why. They may get an answer or they may not, or they may get an answer they don't like.

Second, nothing is our buisness, and everything is God's buisness.

our person is our business why does God have to baby sit? God may or may not give to craps about us, but what happens to us is our business.

Compared to God, we are nothing. We don't even deserve to be alive. Nothing deserves to be alive.

if we don't deserve to be alive then why are we? Compared to God hmmmmmm, I have never met God maybe it feels we are something? From the Bible, God created man in his own image, if this were true then he would be expecting the questions???

The mere fact that we exist should be humbling enough and a testament to His generosity.

It is great that he gave us a chance, but he also gave us the intellegence to ask why so why shouldn't we? If you were a creator and gave a creature intellegence, and it did not ask how it came to be wouldn't you be alittle bit upset? either the creature feels it is so smart it doesn't need your input or you screwed up and it is so stupid it walks around looking dumb.

Finally, would anyone care to give a guess as to where i came across this idea? might suprise some, might not.

Well it didn't come from God, maybe from a book written by other humans?

Originally posted by UnCoolDuck
Looks like you may have been reading Job.


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