1. You have to believe that sending bombs and American soldiers to fight and die for wars to appease the UN is a good idea (such as in countries like Bosnia and Somalia). But it's racist and cowardly to bomb those that have attacked the heart of America.

2. Two years ago you didn't even know where to find Afghanistan on a map but now you send your heartfelt sorrow to those in that country who are reloading to hit America again.

3. You have to blame Bush for the "recession" that's occurring. Because after all, now we don't have a President who's answer to a good economy is to raise taxes.

4. You have to believe that the Arabs in this country are frequently being attacked and persecuted at universities despite the fact that many pro-Arab coalitions exist in this country and that there hasn't been on record a single actual report of abuse against another Arab at any university.

5. You have to believe that the NRA is evil, regardless of the fact that they are simply an organization that stands for the right to bear arms and is privately funded. While government funded groups such as the ACLU (read: your taxes help pay for this) are good because they'll be first in line to assure you that if the terrorists are captured that they'll be treated better than most Vietnam Veterans get treated. You also have to believe that if a person attacks you or your family and he is not white, then you have no right to defend yourself. Otherwise, you're a racist capitalist pig.

6. You have to believe that the Republican's first agenda is to disable you from getting a free abortion. You have to blame the Republicans for not allowing you to have an abortion. You believe it's their fault that it's so expensive and not because it's a very delicate process for which requires highly skilled doctors who don't come cheap. (Which is why insurance will not cover it. Not because of some Republican Bill). Also, ignore the fact that you could have simply avoided getting pregnant to begin with by simply practicing a little self-control or safe sex.

7. You have to believe that this country hates gays and lesbians. If a woman catches a man gawking at her she could possibly sue him. However, if an older man were to actually try to grope at a younger man, by our civil rights statues, the younger man should feel ashamed for not respecting the older man's "natural feelings." Also, ignore the fact that gays may march and be proud of their sexual preference at any time while receiving little to no backlash. But if a "straight pride" march ever comes through your town you are to hurl sharp objects at those "unnatural fanatics."

8. You have to believe that all Republicans are racist, White Christians. In fact many of them are Jewish, Catholic, Black or Hispanic. (But of course White Liberals call them "race traitors").

9. You have to believe the Republican Party hates women. In fact, the Democratic Party believes women should be victims by disallowing them to carry firearms.

10. You have to believe that the Republican Party is nothing but a bunch of Nazis while in fact the word "Nazi" means "national socialist" in German (and a popular term for democrats is in fact "socialist"). When Adolf Hitler came to power, the first thing he did was he ban the right to carry or possess firearms. He demanded art funding, he was a vegetarian, he demanded that no corporations would be bigger than other corporations, especially his own leadership. (Funny, that kind of sounds like what the Democrats are demanding).

11. You have to be trained in the art of mudslinging; i.e. Never ever use facts when debating a Conservative. Simply call him/her names like "racist pig" and "Nazi bastard."

12. Never ever salute the flag!! It is evil! It represents a country that is racist (see 4 and 8). Always display your hate for patriotism and America. Support Communism because you are a middle school drop out. You think it's unfair that people who work hard, have college degrees and decent jobs have a better lifestyle than you despite the fact that an early age you chose laziness and drugs and now you're unhappy with the choices you made so the man (middle to upper class people) owes you!!

13. If you are a Hollywood celebrity, constantly push your Liberal views. Tell the world that America should be communist, despite the fact that if it were, celebrities such as Ted turner would be working as factory moppers and not living as people who can afford a new Mercedes like it's buying apples at the grocery store.

14. Overall, you are to never admit that you are nothing more than a Viet Cong wannabe who is afraid to pick up an assault rifle. Always mask what you are by identifying yourself as a "Liberal who stands for the people."

War is stupid and it's nothing but murder and I cant support the killing of civilian children mothers and fathers its sick inhumane and barbaric.

Two years ago no one knew who Afghanistan was and also I believe it was Bush Senior who was sending weapons of mass destruction over to Afghanistan all the while we were giving innocent children mothers and fathers blankets!

Bush dragged the economy down and ask any expert that because its a well known fact!

It's a fact that Arabs are being targeted in America and that is a well known fact its been on the news for the past year of stories where Arabs have been discriminated against due to simply there color or origin of birth.

Guns are stupid like your jokes. And nearly that entire "joke" is false. Please make your jokes accurate you greasy American pig.

I’m anti-abortion you idiot!


There is no need for a straight pride because straights aren’t killed because of who they love much like gays have been or straight people are never targeted due to sexual preference. Also gays don’t have the right to adopt in some states that’s not freedom its oppression!

Race traitor is a term used by racist.

I think both parties should screw them selves and womin should become equal in our society. Many studies prove that womin still are looked down upon in our sexist society.

The republican part sucks duh!

I always use facts in conversations you always bash my ideas and your even doing so now!



The flag represents separation between countries in not a citizen of America but I'm with the people of the world. I also have a decent job and many well known socialist are college professors!

I'm not afraid to pick up a gun but war is murder and murder is wrong!

*Note your jokes aren't even in the ball park of accurate and you obviously show no signs on intelligence when it comes to describing liberalism.

[quote:040a328818]you greasy American pig.[/quote:040a328818]

hahahahaha


[quote:040a328818]I'm anti-abortion you idiot!


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Are you really? WOW :shock:

I know this is suppose to be a joke, but the sad thing is it's true. :(

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Bush dragged the economy down and ask any expert that because its a well known fact!


I always use facts in conversations you always bash my ideas and your even doing so now!

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So If this is a fact which experts have claimed bush dragged down the economy? Please give a reference to a credible news source.

[quote:ca921b4a63]Bush dragged the economy down and ask any expert that because its a well known fact[/quote:ca921b4a63]

LMAO - I needed another good laugh... Im sure its all... Oh bother...

[quote:6f650ae8cb="SB54"]I know this is suppose to be a joke, but the sad thing is it's true. :([/quote:6f650ae8cb]

Well, that's because liberals are a joke. hahahaha

Hey num nuts! our founding fathers can be considered liberals!

Yeah, in their own time.

You ignore problems but admit they exist and your not willing to do anything (You have done this in the past admitted to problems but say there not an issue). You have always said things can be worse but for some it's the bottom of the pit and this even happens in our own country. Children go to bed starving and when people do devote time or find ways to feed these people all you can bother to say is "why don’t they find a job those crack whores"! Even with war you don’t seek to find any alternatives to simply believe what the country wants to carry out is right. With corporate greed and the loss of jobs because of it you don’t even bother with you claim capitalism isn’t broken yet millions of people in the united states don’t have jobs and some have lost retirement funds because of corporate greed. You say racism, sexism, and homophobia aren’t problems in our country but I turn on the news and hear reports of discrimination on all these things. Its a problem all over the world one in which your not willing to help fix.

I’ve devoted my time trying to heal all these plagues that cancer our world. I’ve spent time feeding the homeless and I’ve devoted time to finding alternatives to war and I’ve spoke out against discrimination to minority groups I also speak out against corporate greed and have tried to make a change but people like you would rather spend time degrading those who would like to see change.

I’d rather be called a “joke” than be a inhumane person who just ignores problems.

Wrong. I say they are not big problems.

To you and your close friends or family they may not be "big" problems but I'd love you to tell a child who goes to bed straving every night. I'd like you to say that to the millions of people who have lost there jobs and thousands of dollars due to corporate greed. I'd like you to say that to the families who must suffer at the hands of war. I'd like you to tell that to minority groups who must except the discrimination in our society. I've love it if you would tell those people its not a big problem because to them it is!

[quote:b71069cede="ConfusedYouth"]To you and your close friends or family they may not be "big" problems but I'd love you to tell a child who goes to bed straving every night. I'd like you to say that to the millions of people who have lost there jobs and thousands of dollars due to corporate greed. I'd like you to say that to the families who must suffer at the hands of war. I'd like you to tell that to minority groups who must except the discrimination in our society. I've love it if you would tell those people its not a big problem because to them it is![/quote:b71069cede]

When I say it's not a big problem, I mean it is not a largely widespread problem. Not that it's effects are miniscule.

Yes it is more people die from starvation or diseases from starvation than anything else in the world! Its not a problem? Thousands of people have lost there job and many dont have jobs right here in america! People die all over the world daily because of there race, sex, or sexual peference! People cant afford schooling or proper health care because they barely make enough to get by!

Its not a big problem what a joke...

[quote:6c6c4c1bc3="ConfusedYouth"]Yes it is more people die from starvation or diseases from starvation than anything else in the world! Its not a problem? Thousands of people have lost there job and many dont have jobs right here in america! People die all over the world daily because of there race, sex, or sexual peference! People cant afford schooling or proper health care because they barely make enough to get by!

Its not a big problem what a joke...[/quote:6c6c4c1bc3]

First of all I was not talking about starvation... but even that is not a RELATIVELY wide spread problem. IN AMERICA that is. Note, I am not talking about "all over the world" This goes for sexism, racism, all that too.

In fact it still is a huge problem in the United States. It is a problem world wide and we need to help our fellow beings in a time of need. Just because a country separates us or there is a color difference does not exclude us from helping them.

At least 35,615 of our brother and sisters died from the worst possible death, starvation. Somewhere around 85% of these starvation deaths occur in children 5 years of age or younger. Why are we letting at least 30,273 of the most beautiful children die the worst possible death everyday? Every 2.43 seconds another one of our fellow brothers and sisters dies of starvation.

If you think no one is doing anything to help the less fortunate, you are more naive than I thought.

On racism, how many african americans do you really think feel that they are held back because of their color? I don't ever hear any of the black people I know complain about racism. I look around and see many very successful black people (ie Walter Williams, Collin Powel, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, just to name a few). I'm not saying racism doesn't exist, but it isn't something most blacks worry about on a daily basis.

A rally of over 400 neo-nazis took place in Washington a couple weeks ago. That is a huge problem that took place in Washington and it upset a lot of people. They had a right to freedom of speech so there were cops patroling the rally and many were black. It exist beyond what you know open your eyes. Turn on the TV and watch cops everyone on the show is black and you can also always here of stories where blacks have been targeted and beat to death by officers.

You may do somethings to help prevent hunger if we still have 35,615 humans who die from starvation we dont do enough and people like you ingore the problem like you have been doing!

Thank capitalism for this...

So you think that the fact that blacks have a higher crime rate than whites is a result of racism? How naive.

An example of a statement that justifies racial inequality between whites and blacks is the criminalizing of black people. In our society, blacks are constantly being portrayed as criminals in the news, on television (i.e., “Cops”), and in movies. The criminalization of black people plays a large role in arguments regarding the amount of black people in prison and jail. Why are black people in jail? Because they are criminals. Why are they criminals? Because they are in jail and the “justice” system put them there. Circular reasoning is used to justify the number of blacks locked up. The constant representation of blacks as criminals makes it easy to see black crime as inevitable and part of their way of life. It is interesting to think about why white collar crime is not actively portrayed or represented in our society. Corporate welfare and white collar crime cost this country more money than any other time of crime. Who is committing most of this crime? It is mostly all white men. Recognizing this would suggest that white men are the real criminals of our society. This would disrupt the superior position they currently hold. The equity principle and the attribution error both play important roles in explaining why white people hold these beliefs.

Blacks are only "portrayed" as criminals because the crime rate is higher among them than whites. You have absolutely NO evidence that cops are racist against blacks. That is absurd!!!! The reason crime rates are so high amongst blacks is because a large portion of them have a bad homelife as childeren. Government stats show that 70% of black babies are born out of wedlock, versus around 30% of white babies. I have even heard black civil rights people admit this!!! Address the true problem and help these people. Don't just make up excuses like "it's the racist white man's fault" You are so full of bull crap.

It is interesting to think about why white collar crime is not actively portrayed or represented in our society. Corporate welfare and white collar crime cost this country more money than any other time of crime. Who is committing most of this crime? It is mostly all white men.

Thank you Dave for your brilliant post.:p

Originally posted by ConfusedYouth
It is interesting to think about why white collar crime is not actively portrayed or represented in our society. Corporate welfare and white collar crime cost this country more money than any other time of crime. Who is committing most of this crime? It is mostly all white men.

Oh no, we never hear about white collar crime. I mean I haven't heard a word about Enron or Martha Stewart or WorldCom or any of this. PLEASE

You are right, I'm sure most white collar crime is comitted by white men. What's your point? I will admit that, but for some reason you can't admit that blacks have a higher crime rate in general than whites. You have to blame it on racism. No facts support the idea that this country's law enforcement is racist. Do you think that's one of the qualifications for officers? They must be racist? Please. There are tons of non-white cops.

Originally posted by DaveTooner
Blacks are only "portrayed" as criminals because the crime rate is higher among them than whites. You have absolutely NO evidence that cops are racist against blacks. That is absurd!!!! The reason crime rates are so high amongst blacks is because a large portion of them have a bad homelife as childeren. Government stats show that 70% of black babies are born out of wedlock, versus around 30% of white babies. I have even heard black civil rights people admit this!!! Address the true problem and help these people. Don't just make up excuses like "it's the racist white man's fault" You are so full of bull crap.

You are right to an extent. Many of the problems facing the black community is stemmed in poverty. Whites living in poverty have the same sort of problems. However, there is a lot of evidence that our government created many of the circumstances black people still live in today.

Ghettos were built as public housing aimed at the black community. Funding was cut to these housing projects after the buildings were filled and the people living in these communities were stuck.

Also, in the past it has been more difficult for blacks to seek education or proper employment even if they were educated. Affirmative action has helped with much of this, but as we see in all impoverished areas, no matter the race, poverty is a cycle. Most children grow up with no expectations of living better than their parents.

There have also been studies that found that whites who commit the same crimes as blacks are not given as harsh sentences. I seen on study not long ago that showed that when white mothers commit minor crimes most of the time they are allowed to live on the outside and care for their children under house arrest. Black mothers were usually put behind bars for committing the same offences.

Black people have many advantages now they once did and things are improving, but that doesn't change the past and the history that still holds them back.

So what are you saying? That the majority of the people in the judicial system are racist? That is reeeeaaaally hard to believe.

The history does not hold blacks back. History is history. You're basically saying they are held down by the "white man" (typical). That is an insult to so many black Americans who have risen to the top. Poor blacks are no more held back by the white man than poor whites, asians, hispanics, etc etc.

So, Hitler was a vegetarian. That explains alot!:p :D

Why did this get moved to Humor? This is definitely a political thing.

Well, it could go either place. I thought it was hilarious.

The only reason you thought this joke was funny is because you posted it. I think we should name the title of this joke “ 14 misconceptions of liberals”. I believe it’s a pathetic attempt in trying to condemn liberals.

Originally posted by DaveTooner
So what are you saying? That the majority of the people in the judicial system are racist? That is reeeeaaaally hard to believe.

The history does not hold blacks back. History is history. You're basically saying they are held down by the "white man" (typical). That is an insult to so many black Americans who have risen to the top. Poor blacks are no more held back by the white man than poor whites, asians, hispanics, etc etc.

I can't say whether the majority of judicial system members are racist, but as I said there have been studies that have found that white people are favored in sentencing. You can make what you want of that. Can you prove that the majority of judges are not racist? There are certainly many more white judges than any other race. You can't really say anything for certain either.

How does history not set precedence? Even today our culture is based largely on the roots of our country. Those roots include Jim Crow laws, the KKK, and slavery. You think history has no effect? We are all just products of our enviroment.

It is odd to me that you admit that many of the problems facing the black community has to do with the poverty in their enviroment, but refuse to see the other enviromental causes. It seems you want to pick out poverty and deny racism, and I don't understand this. Do you think racism doesn't exist?

Here's a couple of links you may want to check out...

http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/living/InYourHead/allinyourhead_11.html

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=13826

Originally posted by DaveTooner
If you think no one is doing anything to help the less fortunate, you are more naive than I thought.

On racism, how many african americans do you really think feel that they are held back because of their color? I don't ever hear any of the black people I know complain about racism. I look around and see many very successful black people (ie Walter Williams, Collin Powel, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, just to name a few). I'm not saying racism doesn't exist, but it isn't something most blacks worry about on a daily basis.

Except for Walter Williams (which I'm not sure about) every person of color you named has supported and asked others to support the UNCF. Why would they support a fund created only to help black students if it was as easy for those students to acheive academically as white students?

Well, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton constantly preach about the white man holding down the black man. That isn't the point. The point is that they are successful.

There are certainly many more white judges than any other race. You can't really say anything for certain either.

Why does everyone think that when there are more whites than blacks at a certain position, that it means there's racism going on. You know, there are less blacks than there are whites in the United States, period. Is that a result of racism? I know if I was a judge I would not favor a white over a black. That is just ridiculous and most educated people (which judges are) would realize this.


How does history not set precedence? Even today our culture is based largely on the roots of our country. Those roots include Jim Crow laws, the KKK, and slavery. You think history has no effect? We are all just products of our enviroment

I don't deny this. What I deny is the fact that it makes it not possible for blacks to rise to the top. Sure, there may be some black families today who have been in poverty ever since slavery was abolished. The difference is that back then you really couldn't change that. Today you can. Anyone CAN make it in America.

It is odd to me that you admit that many of the problems facing the black community has to do with the poverty in their enviroment, but refuse to see the other enviromental causes. It seems you want to pick out poverty and deny racism, and I don't understand this. Do you think racism doesn't exist?


I don't deny that racism exists. I argue that it isn't an absolutely rampant problem. You left wingers make it sound like 90% of all whites are racist bastards and 100% of all people in high positions are racist and will not hire blacks. I have black friends and I have NEVER heard them complain about anyone being racist towards them. In fact, they agree with me on the issue! Other high profile blacks agree as well -- Walter Williams and Larry Elder, to name a few! So it's not like this is just some crazy off the wall racist idea. Many liberals have branded me as a "racist" for thinking this way.

Dave said:
Why does everyone think that when there are more whites than blacks at a certain position, that it means there's racism going on. You know, there are less blacks than there are whites in the United States, period. Is that a result of racism? I know if I was a judge I would not favor a white over a black. That is just ridiculous and most educated people (which judges are) would realize this.

I think that white judges are more likely to be racist toward black people than black judges are.

Dave said:
I don't deny this. What I deny is the fact that it makes it not possible for blacks to rise to the top. Sure, there may be some black families today who have been in poverty ever since slavery was abolished. The difference is that back then you really couldn't change that. Today you can. Anyone CAN make it in America.

Yes, but is the playing field completely even? If you admit that history has began a cycle that many black people are still caught up in, how can you say it is as easy for a black to be as successful as a white person? I think the conditions many people of color are caught in today are different from the conditions of many whites. Poverty is a cycle, and these problems are not based on race, it is just that more people of color are stuck in this cycle than whites.

Dave said:
I don't deny that racism exists. I argue that it isn't an absolutely rampant problem. You left wingers make it sound like 90% of all whites are racist bastards and 100% of all people in high positions are racist and will not hire blacks. I have black friends and I have NEVER heard them complain about anyone being racist towards them. In fact, they agree with me on the issue! Other high profile blacks agree as well -- Walter Williams and Larry Elder, to name a few! So it's not like this is just some crazy off the wall racist idea. Many liberals have branded me as a "racist" for thinking this way.

You are putting words in my mouth again. The stereotypes you use are amazing -- you must know every liberal in the world!

I grew up with many black children and my family is mixed. I've never heard a black person say they've never experienced racism.

I think that white judges are more likely to be racist toward black people than black judges are.

Oh please! That is just as "racist" as the things you preach about.

You are a hopeless cause. You must honestly believe that blacks are victims everyday. God you liberals have such a screwed up view of reality. I don't even know why I try.

Ah, Dave, I wouldn't call you prejudiced towards blacks. With all your stereotypes you are prejudiced toward "liberals."

I guess a lot of people just can't handle those who disagree with them.

I also find it interesting how you only pick out one little portion of a post to reply to. It's as if, if you can't answer a question or respond to a well-made comment you just pick a little piece that means nothing and reply to that part. It is a bad habit to take things out of context like that.

Originally posted by J_Lively
Ah, Dave, I wouldn't call you prejudiced towards blacks. With all your stereotypes you are prejudiced toward "liberals."

I guess a lot of people just can't handle those who disagree with them.

I also find it interesting how you only pick out one little portion of a post to reply to. It's as if, if you can't answer a question or respond to a well-made comment you just pick a little piece that means nothing and reply to that part. It is a bad habit to take things out of context like that.

Well excuuuuuuuse me, Mrs. Pinko. Please allow me to respond to the whole post.


Yes, but is the playing field completely even? If you admit that history has began a cycle that many black people are still caught up in, how can you say it is as easy for a black to be as successful as a white person? I think the conditions many people of color are caught in today are different from the conditions of many whites. Poverty is a cycle, and these problems are not based on race, it is just that more people of color are stuck in this cycle than whites.

Obviously it is more difficult for someone (of any color, mind you) to make it from the bottom to the top. They have farther to go. But I just do not buy into the idea that after ALLLLLL these years poor black families are still in poverty SOLELY because of slavery and racism of years gone by and absolutely cannot get out of it. As I said, their ancestors were probably poor as a result of racism, and this poverty has carried through until today. BUT this did not HAVE to happen. The cycle COULD have been broken. NOT SAYING IT'S EASY, BY THE WAY.

You are putting words in my mouth again. The stereotypes you use are amazing -- you must know every liberal in the world!

I grew up with many black children and my family is mixed. I've never heard a black person say they've never experienced racism.

I don't know all liberals (thank GOD) but I do know how most of them act!

Okay, so your friends have all experienced racism. wowee. How often? Every day? Every time they leave the house? Once a year? Once a month? What? And to what extreme? A whitey didn't hold the door for them at the grocery store? No one will hire them because they are black? What?

You know white people experience racism as well but I would hardly call it a problem. I guarantee you that if I went to apply for a job at the mexican restaurant down the street I would not get the job because I'm white. Also, I have run into just as many blacks that dislike whites as I have whites that dislike blacks. I've never understood the attitude that it is white people who are the racist ones. How onesided. Typical of you bleeding heart liberals.

There, are you happy? I responded to eeeevvvverything.

http://blackpeopleloveus.com/images/ireallydontknow.jpg

Originally posted by DaveTooner
Obviously it is more difficult for someone (of any color, mind you) to make it from the bottom to the top. They have farther to go. But I just do not buy into the idea that after ALLLLLL these years poor black families are still in poverty SOLELY because of slavery and racism of years gone by and absolutely cannot get out of it. As I said, their ancestors were probably poor as a result of racism, and this poverty has carried through until today. BUT this did not HAVE to happen. The cycle COULD have been broken. NOT SAYING IT'S EASY, BY THE WAY.

This is an easier statement for me to agree with. I think that the problems facing the black communities are rooted in poverty, too, not race.

This is a back step from your previous comments. Before you were saying that it was as easy for a person of color to gain success as a white person. In this post at least you admit that many have farther to go because of circumstances and it's not easy.

Originally posted by DaveTooner
I don't know all liberals (thank GOD) but I do know how most of them act!

LOL! Your judgement isn't unbiased enough for me to care how you preceive the actions of "liberals." I'm not even sure that you truly know what liberal idealiology is.

Originally posted by DaveTooner
Okay, so your friends have all experienced racism. wowee. How often? Every day? Every time they leave the house? Once a year? Once a month? What? And to what extreme? A whitey didn't hold the door for them at the grocery store? No one will hire them because they are black? What?

You know white people experience racism as well but I would hardly call it a problem. I guarantee you that if I went to apply for a job at the mexican restaurant down the street I would not get the job because I'm white. Also, I have run into just as many blacks that dislike whites as I have whites that dislike blacks. I've never understood the attitude that it is white people who are the racist ones. How onesided. Typical of you bleeding heart liberals.

There, are you happy? I responded to eeeevvvverything.

More generalizations. I feel bad for you, Dave. This prejudice is clouding your judgement. You are assuming things about me, for instance, that I've never said. I never said only white people are racist and I don't believe that to be true.

Originally posted by J_Lively Your judgement isn't unbiased enough for me to care how you preceive the actions of "liberals." I'm not even sure that you truly know what liberal idealiology is.
You're right, he doesn't. He assumes that all liberals are atheists, and that all liberals are heartless SOBs. That's about as far as his "understanding" of liberalism goes.

He assumes that all liberals are atheists

Actually I never said that and I even agreed with ConfusedYouth that most liberals were Christians. Pay attention, lefty.


This is a back step from your previous comments. Before you were saying that it was as easy for a person of color to gain success as a white person. In this post at least you admit that many have farther to go because of circumstances and it's not easy.

No. I said it is just as easy for a black person to get ahead as it is a white person of EQUAL SOCIO-ECONOMIC STANDING. It is harder for a poor person (of any race) to get somewhere than it is for, say, a person born into the middle class to get there.

Also, I just found out that Judge Mathis grew up poor, in the ghetto, in a gang, in and out of jail, and in a single parent home. More proof that anything is possible.

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