Just saw on the news that 50% of Ontarians are obese.

That's horrible!!!

My family has always been slim but my grandson is truely fat. His mother feeds him whipped cream right out of the spray can. He only wants fatty and sugary foods and won't eat any healthy foods. I would like to help him but I don't see him that often and if I tried to get him to eat fish or vegies there would be a war.

old reb

Read something a while back that said that here in America being overweight was some sort of sickness and is to be considered a physical disability for medicaid.
Hell, if they have no physical inpairments put their fat asses to work at manual labor, that should shed a few pounds.

a friend of mine just lost her 43 year old son, he was 6' 6" and 360 lb; he had herinas, sugar diabeties and other problems. He was a damn good cook and restaurant owner manager.

We can blame fast food restraunts, chocolate factories all we want but the true cupulrit is ourselves. We learn our eating habits from our parents, daycare, schools, etc. When my son goes shopping with me (he gets a mini cart) I let him do his own shopping. He heads straight for the produce, puts banana's oranges, grapes, cherries, (and is still upset with Safeway because watermellon is out of season) Then he gets his salad and organic/regular yoghurt. Candy does not even cross his mind. Perhaps it is becuase I have tried to change my lifestyle and eat healthy food. If you don't eat Candy and get a banana instead you would be like "this is sweet" Fruit is natures Candy.

Originally posted by philosophytara
We can blame fast food restraunts, chocolate factories all we want but the true cupulrit is ourselves. We learn our eating habits from our parents, daycare, schools, etc. When my son goes shopping with me (he gets a mini cart) I let him do his own shopping. He heads straight for the produce, puts banana's oranges, grapes, cherries, (and is still upset with Safeway because watermellon is out of season) Then he gets his salad and organic/regular yoghurt. Candy does not even cross his mind. Perhaps it is becuase I have tried to change my lifestyle and eat healthy food. If you don't eat Candy and get a banana instead you would be like "this is sweet" Fruit is natures Candy.
Excellent, this is the answer to obesity; however it takes both parents to make it work. I tried to be like you but my wife gave then anything they wanted and mostly what they wanted was what they saw advertised on tv.

old reb

Fruit is natures Candy.

Your approach is the same as mine.....My kids are the same way.....

THey had their 3rd birthday a few weeks ago, and at their party, (thrown by their nana) they didn't even know what to do with hotdogs and cheezies and orange pop. it was so funny.

Fruit is nature's candy, i say this all the time.....and you know what, they are very healthy!!!

Kids are observant, and what they see you eat, they too will eat. Plus as the parent you control what goes in your pantry.

I don't think i have bought potato chips in 3 years, and i don't even miss them.

Originally posted by old-reb
My family has always been slim but my grandson is truely fat. His mother feeds him whipped cream right out of the spray can. He only wants fatty and sugary foods and won't eat any healthy foods. I would like to help him but I don't see him that often and if I tried to get him to eat fish or vegies there would be a war.

old reb

Id rather there be some discomfront with his new diet....then losing him do to a condition devloped because of his obesity.

You know what the song says:

Americans, let's face it: We've been a spoiled country for a long time. Do you know what the number one health risk in America is? Obesity. They say we're in the middle of an obesity epidemic.
An epidemic like it is polio. Like we'll be telling our grand kids about it one day. The Great Obesity Epidemic of 2004. "How'd you get through it grandpa?"
"Oh, it was horrible Johnny, there was cheesecake and pork chops everywhere."

Nobody knows why were getting fatter? Look at our lifestyle.
I'll sit at a drive thru. I'll sit there behind fifteen other cars instead of getting up to make the eight foot walk to the totally empty counter. Everything is mega meal, super sized. Want biggie fries, super sized, want to go large. You want to have thirty burgers for a nickel you fat mother fucker. There's room in the back. Take it!
Want a 55 gallon drum of Coke with that? It's only three more cents.

Silver, :)

I think obesity in US (and the rest of the developed countries) is due to our lack of any exercise and selfcontrol.

I do not agree that if children eat only healthy foods, they won't became fat. When I was a child, I spent all my allowance in candies, any kind of candy and tons of them. I refused to eat any veggies or fruit or yoghurt and survived on steak and french fries (of course, my mother was not happy at all). However I was not fat, not even chubby. I was a healthy child because I need a lot of sugar to cope with all the exercise and playing. Children tend naturally to eat sweeter food just because they need more sugar than an adult.

Becoming older means to have some selfcontrol and understanding that your body needs fewer calories and more exercise to keep the same weight. My wife always laughs when I insist to go walking somewhere or to take a walk after dinner or to go swimming...or to eat some kind of veggies/ fish everyday. But it is the only way unless I want to get up one morning weighting 200 pounds.

I guess I am blessed with a lot of selfcontrol in terms of food. I only eat when I am hungry and nowadays I eat healthier/different types of food (I have not stopped eating ice-cream, pies or chocolate, it is just not healthy do it everyday but time to time is ok).

It's funny, I've been in the US during Thanksgiving and when lunching with some of my wife colleagues in a buffet restaurant I was the only one taking only one plate of food and some dessert, the other ate two or three plates plus dessert. I just think that if you don't do much exercise, you don't need to eat as much.

Originally posted by Teddy
I think obesity in US (and the rest of the developed countries) is due to our lack of any exercise and selfcontrol.
The lack of excercise is due in part to lack of motivation as well.

Originally posted by Teddy
I only eat when I am hungry and nowadays I eat healthier/different types of food (I have not stopped eating ice-cream, pies or chocolate, it is just not healthy do it everyday but time to time is ok).



Hello Teddy,

I agree with your whole post evento it overules some of my previous post.

On the Cake and Pie. If cake or pie is in the refig I will keep going back and snacking until it is all gone and I will gain on the average one pound in about 2 to 3 days. That doesn't sound like much but it adds up quickly.

old reb

HELLO ALL. I AM THE LATEST MEMBER OF THE FORUM FROM LONDON.

IN ORDER TO CONTROL OBESITY, PARENTS MUST INSTITUTE A HEALTHY REGIME OF DIETING ESPECIALLY ON KIDS WHO EXHIBIT THE TENDENCY OF BECOMING OBESE. SUCH REGIME NEEDS TO BE STRONGLY ADHERED TO.

WHILE OBESITY IN AMERICA IS LARGELY DUE TO THE EATING HABIT OF THE AMERICANS (WITH ALL SOUGHTS OF FAST FOODS AND MASSIVE PORTIONS), IN EUROPE IT IS DUE TO NATURE (MOST OBESE PEOPLE ARE BORN OBESE RATHER THAN THROUGH THEIR EATING HABITS

I HAVE A SPECIAL INTEREST IN THE SUBJECT OF OBESITY BECAUSE MY BEST FRIEND IS OBESE. AND I DECIDED TO MAKE IT AN AREA OF INTELLECTUAL DISCUSS. I LIVE IN LONDON AND WILL WELCOME ALL COMMENTS ON THE ISSUE. THANK YOU

COULD ANYONE TELL ME THE BEST WAY TO MAKE AN OBESE PERSON EXERCISE EVERYDAY WITHOUT REALIZING HE IS EXERCISING?

Okay, when you reply, PLEASE make only one post instead of five to a particular thread. Also, turn off your damned Caps Lock. Thanks.

Originally posted by silverbulletkc
You know what the song says:

Americans, let's face it: We've been a spoiled country for a long time. Do you know what the number one health risk in America is? Obesity. They say we're in the middle of an obesity epidemic.
An epidemic like it is polio. Like we'll be telling our grand kids about it one day. The Great Obesity Epidemic of 2004. "How'd you get through it grandpa?"
"Oh, it was horrible Johnny, there was cheesecake and pork chops everywhere."

Nobody knows why were getting fatter? Look at our lifestyle.
I'll sit at a drive thru. I'll sit there behind fifteen other cars instead of getting up to make the eight foot walk to the totally empty counter. Everything is mega meal, super sized. Want biggie fries, super sized, want to go large. You want to have thirty burgers for a nickel you fat mother fucker. There's room in the back. Take it!
Want a 55 gallon drum of Coke with that? It's only three more cents.

yep. we're always so busy with our lives, it's saves time to pass through the drive thru with the kids. who has time to cook, right? and we ALWAYS want more for our money, so it just makes sense to spend the extra 20 cents and get enough fries (and cholesterol) to clog an ox's heart! and of course, it's easier to let a video game babysit than it is to actually make our kids get off their behinds and ride a bike or something that requires movement.

OKAY MR BUGHUNTER

huh??

hahahahahahahahaha.....BugHunter:)

what the hell is a bughunter?

to the new guy, BorgHunter = BugHunter

ok, that's funny

Originally posted by INYANG71
COULD ANYONE TELL ME THE BEST WAY TO MAKE AN OBESE PERSON EXERCISE EVERYDAY WITHOUT REALIZING HE IS EXERCISING?

This is even funnier.

Unless, of course, if it could be done.

old reb

i think a large part of th pbesity problem stems from poverty. the cheapest food in this country is also the least healthy, sometimes fast food is all somebody can afford. perhaps if we make healthy and inexpensive food available to all, the obesity in this country wouldn't be such a problem.

A way to make the overweight excercise without KNOWING he is exercising?

I can suggest that you take your friend out to a large field and set seveal large mean dogs after him! That should get the heart rate up!

Seriously, exercise is a commitment. It is painful. I've done it. I've lost weight, I even developed more muscle mass. I remember walking by a mirror without a shirt and admiring my shoulders!

A healther body can be accomplished. If you want to, and you put the time in.

i agree, darth. i've lost 60 lbs. this past year. difference this time from all the others? i've worked to keep it off. i remind myself how miserable i was, and i won't let myself go like that again. trust me, it'd be easier to give in. but i'm not looking for the easy way out this time.

inyang, this person knows he's overweight. you don't need to try to trick him; that'll piss him off, like you're insulting his intelligence. just be there for your friend. let him feel like he can tell you how he feels. he doesn't need to be tricked or talked to; maybe he simply needs the support of a true friend.

Originally posted by WhammyBar
perhaps if we make healthy and inexpensive food available to all, the obesity in this country wouldn't be such a problem.

It might help a few people, but most people would continue to eat the way they eat. Plus the bigger issue is a lack of exercise that cheap radishes won't solve.

The liberal solution to everything is government regulation.

There is such a thing as inhereted obesity, which you can't really do anything about. But for most people, obesity is the result of a combination of bad eating habit and lack of exercise. It's really simple. Eat right and exercise and you won't be fat. Anyone who actively refuses to do that deserves to be obese, better not bitch about it.

Jenny,

My remark you mentioned on "tricking" the friend to lose weight was intended to be sarcastic and humorous. I don't think that guy would have a friend if he set large mean dogs on him in any circumstance!

Congratulations on losing weight, it's a true accomplishment and something to be proud of!

Big Bubba wanted to lose some weight so he goes to this place that guarantees 10 lb loss in one session.
He goes in this building and there is like a jogging track in the middle and three doors outside the track and the doors
are labeled A, B, and C.
So Bubba pays $50 bucks and opens door "B" and a beautiful brunette comes out in a bikini wearing a sign saying, "If you can catch
me you can have me, so Bubba chases her around the track and sweat is just pouring of him when he catches her; and sure enough Bubba lost 10 lb.

Bubba decides he wants to lose another 10 lb so he opens door "C" and a beautiful Blonde comes out with the same deal and after the blond Bubba is now 20 pounds lighter
and very tired but he is game to try for one more 10 lb so he pays up and opens door "A" and Tiny Tim come out and says, "If I catch you I will have my way with you."

Run Bubba, Run

Originally posted by Dio Seijuro
There is such a thing as inhereted obesity, which you can't really do anything about. But for most people, obesity is the result of a combination of bad eating habit and lack of exercise. It's really simple. Eat right and exercise and you won't be fat. Anyone who actively refuses to do that deserves to be obese, better not bitch about it.

that's not true; not always. i ballooned to 200 lbs in a year; i had 5 surgeries that year that kept me next to immobile.
it's not always as simple as someone being lazy or not wanting to lose weight no one wants to be obese). it's an entire lifestyle overhaul, mentally as well. if someone is hurting and cannot bear to confront their issues, that doesn't mean they deserve to be obese and suffer. there are many reasons why people are overweight; laziness is only a small part of that.

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
Jenny,

My remark you mentioned on "tricking" the friend to lose weight was intended to be sarcastic and humorous. I don't think that guy would have a friend if he set large mean dogs on him in any circumstance!

Congratulations on losing weight, it's a true accomplishment and something to be proud of!

i know. my remark was directed more towards the person who wanted to know if you can trick someone into exercising.

and thank you, darth, for those kind words. i am very proud. and i hope i can educate people on the many prejudices and presumptions of those that are overweight; just as i hope i can motivate some that are overweight to confront what their real issues are and get them to want to change their lives.

thanks again, darth. that truly meant alot to me!!

Originally posted by jennygadling
and thank you, darth, for those kind words. i am very proud. and i hope i can educate people on the many prejudices and presumptions of those that are overweight; just as i hope i can motivate some that are overweight to confront what their real issues are and get them to want to change their lives.



We should, also, take into account that less than 100 year ago, only the people, who were able to get as many calories as they could from their food, were the one surviving and perpetuing their genes. I mean our bodies are made to maximalize the food we eat. My great-grandfather used to take sausages, eggs, bacon and even hard liquor for breakfast...of course, afterwards he took his horse and worked in his land (with little mecanised equipment)...nowadays I don't have to do any physical work. I think we (developed societies) have changed our way of working but not our way of eating (getting worse, we have even more food)

i agree.
it doesn't help when you live in a place whose existence revolves around indulges (rich food, alcohol everywhere, etc), like here in new orleans. people here are huge. and it's true about poverty playing a role in obesity. healthy foods (lots of fresh fruits and vegetables) are expensive and don't go very far when you're trying to make a meal stretch; you tend to make lots of rice and potatoes and stuff to fill people up. and that's where your point comes in, teddy. we don't have to get up and go work the fields or anything that requires that much energy.

Originally posted by INYANG71
COULD ANYONE TELL ME THE BEST WAY TO MAKE AN OBESE PERSON EXERCISE EVERYDAY WITHOUT REALIZING HE IS EXERCISING?

Take a walk with him. Go to street fairs and art shows and places one has to walk to see interestuing stuff.
Take him to the beach where he has to walk to get there and them climb a few logs and rocks.
Play frizbee with him.
Take him to a yoga class so he'll see that yoga does not tire one out like excersize does.
Start a project together that requires some lifing and walking - like building a dog house or a table.
Find a couple gals and go dancing - it's great excersize.
Get a baseball and just toss it back and forth while you talk.
Take him swimming at a local pool.
Take him bowling.


If he is obese, start out very slow. Walking, throwing a ball or frizbee, etc. As he gains muscle tone you can move up to more vigorous things.

Please take off you cap lock. In computer land, all caps is like screaming.

Originally posted by WhammyBar
i think a large part of th pbesity problem stems from poverty. the cheapest food in this country is also the least healthy, sometimes fast food is all somebody can afford. perhaps if we make healthy and inexpensive food available to all, the obesity in this country wouldn't be such a problem.

I think this is a myth propelled by, at least in part, the documentary, Supersize Me. Don't get me wrong. I love the film. But the fact is, if you go to the grocery store, you will discover tons of food that is cheaper than fast food. Rice, beans, corn, etc. are rockbottom cheap. The real problem is that most people in our country can't imagine a meal without meat or fat in it and which might actually require spending 10 minutes in the kitchen preparing it.

when i was much younger, i was a real chubby little kid. i'd snack all the time, and eat a whole lot of potato chips, goldfish (the crackers) and bread. 2 years ago i was about 5'4 and 165 lbs. then i lost 5 pounds just from joining the basketball team, and i lost 10 more in 3 weeks at summercamp, and then 5 more throughout the course of the year. i was really healthy and i could run much faster and being a vegetarian certianly helped too. but i've been pretty sick recently, and i had to spend about 2 weeks sitting around my house after school and not playing any sports, so i gained 10 or 15 pounds. now i'm afraid to step on a scale, and i really hate myself for it because i'm one of those people who always tells others how beautiful they are no matter what their weight is and how they shouldn't hate their bodies because they don't fit our society's unattainable ideal of beauty.

all i have to say is, we live in a sick society where you aren't considered pretty unless you have huge breasts and a tiny stomach, but the cheapest, most heavily advertised and most availble food is mcdonalds and burger king.

Originally posted by sputnik
all i have to say is, we live in a sick society where you aren't considered pretty unless you have huge breasts and a tiny stomach, but the cheapest, most heavily advertised and most availble food is mcdonalds and burger king.

Nice post sputnik. I agree with most of what you wrote, except the part about fast food being the "cheapest". It is less expensive to buy groceries and cook your own food, but I do think fast food is the "easiest" way to get fat.

agreed.

thanks vile.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
Nice post sputnik. I agree with most of what you wrote, except the part about fast food being the "cheapest". It is less expensive to buy groceries and cook your own food, but I do think fast food is the "easiest" way to get fat.
It's less expensive, but more work. It's quite ironic: people buy fast food because it's easy...and then they go on diet fads like the Hollywood diet for the exact same reason. Our society is obsessed with what is quick and easy.

Answer this conundrum. Through elementary and middle school I was fat. I mean it, my face was poofy and pudgy, my stomach went over my pants, my legs and arms were flabby. My diet: average meats, lots of vegetables and fruits. And no candy, I mean it, I hate cake, most hard candy, those sweets are things I can't stand. I cannot eat junk food such as chips and whatever the hell else you people eat. I never have, and don't think I ever will. Yet I was fat. I also played sports, I played baseball throughout elementary school, I also played some soccer and football with my neighbors. Yet I was huge. Borg should remember my middle school weight. Now, I'm skinny. Where did that fat come from? The general excuse doesn't fit.

besides diet being a factor in someone being overweight, there's something else to consider: some people have a genetic predisposition to be overweight/obese. not an excuse, simply a factor.

Originally posted by jennygadling
besides diet being a factor in someone being overweight, there's something else to consider: some people have a genetic predisposition to be overweight/obese. not an excuse, simply a factor.

I agree...but bottom line is...you ingest more calories than your body can burn it will be stored as body fat. Doesn't matter if it is meat, potatoes, bread, or burgers....or whether you have a high metabolism or a slow metabolism.

Obesity and complications arising from it will soon become the number one killer in our society...gonna eat ourselves to death while the third world starves.

Originally posted by silverbulletkc
The lack of excercise is due in part to lack of motivation as well.


and keep in mind most amerikans have really cheap easily obtained food. sit on their asses and watch too much tv, get on their asses and drive somewhere, and work a job that doesn't use much enrgy.
and possibly since so many people have quit smoking here too.
i park my car 2 miles from work and walk the rest. i find it hilarious that people will circle the fuckin parking lot constantly trying to find a spot close enough. amerikans are pathetic.

One other point: Calling obesity a "disease" is idiotic in the first place. Obesity is a condition which you control. It's as ridiculous as calling physical weakness a "disease."

what i hate is that so many fat asses claim a medical problem. yes, their problem should be hand to mouth disease. they can't keep from shoving food into their mouths. a study a year ago, which i haven't read since then, and if i remember right, of the entire population of the planet only 1% has a medical reason for being fat.

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