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Overdose
11-22-2004, 03:26 AM
Supposedly (according to the Right Wing Media) it was going to go off air before the election was over.

Then it was suppose to go off air after the election…either “taking credit for defeating Bush” or “proving as a failure in this election”…

This may disappoint many Republicans, but Air America is still on air. Air America now has 40 different stations around the US, that reach out to millions of Americans. It's proven to be one of the fastest growing talk show organizations ever. With ratings that have beaten most right wing talk shows, it’s not going anywhere ladies and gentlemen.

The Praetorian
11-22-2004, 10:03 AM
Well I think it's safe to assume the stupid mainstream conservatives have met their match...

Travh20
11-22-2004, 10:33 AM
I am glad Air America isnt going off the air. I listen to the Randi Rhodes show every day on the way home from work. It is very entertaining. Ever since I lost Peter Wervy I have been missing my left wing talk radio fix, now it is back.

SecretAgentMan
11-22-2004, 10:37 AM
I agree, Rhandi Rhodes's show is hillarious! She spouts off with the most obsurd nonsense! The other day she was calling Bush a neo-conservative (Like it's a bad thing) then she was trying to explain what neo meant. She said "Neo means near, so Bush is a Near-Conservative."

What the fuck? Neo means "New" Bitch!

I also like listening to Janeane Garofalo on the Majority Report (though I think she may have to re-name her show). On election night she was calling the Red States, the "Cracker-Belt." Like, seriously, that will really encourage people to vote for your candidate.

Overdose
11-22-2004, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by Travh20
I listen to the Randi Rhodes show every day on the way home from work.

Well, what do you think of her? Honestly...I want an honest opinion.

I find her to be funny, and very intelligent. Many of my conservative friends listen to her, and although they disagree with her a lot, they still admit she's very smart and good at making points.

Plus, I love the sound of her voice....and you don't ever want to get in a debate with her....

hehehe

SecretAgentMan
11-22-2004, 02:06 PM
Originally posted by Overdose
Well, what do you think of her? Honestly...I want an honest opinion.

I find her to be funny, and very intelligent. Many of my conservative friends listen to her, and although they disagree with her a lot, they still admit she's very smart and good at making points.

Plus, I love the sound of her voice....and you don't ever want to get in a debate with her....

hehehe

Overdose has me on ignore, so he obviously didn't read my opinion of her above.

SHE IS A COMPLETE FUCKING IDIOT. OD makes more sense than she does.

Brooks
11-22-2004, 02:35 PM
I'm all for cheering for the home team, but just as I don't think Sean Hannity is particularly bright, I can't believe anyone thinks Randi Rhodes is smart either. The other day she ripped apart a caller for his grammar and vocabulary and accused him of suffering some type of "psychoticness".

Has anyone actually ever heard a good analysis of anything on her show or learned anything besides the latest conspiracies?

DaveTooner
11-22-2004, 02:36 PM
You're bragging about 40 affiliates? Guys like Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly have 400-500 stations. You must be joking.

Travh20
11-22-2004, 02:47 PM
I cant stand randi rhodes. her voice drives me crazy and every time she says america I want to put my hand through my windshield 'a-mer-i-ka" it drives batty. I think that show is one of the reasons I have high blood pressure. I have noticed that her show is not really a news analysis show like Rsh or the others, but more of a bash republicans show. its just pointless republican bashing with no context. at least rush and the others bash the dems in a context approrpriate to the day and age. you can turn on randi rhodes and hear her rant for 30 minutes about the 2000 election

Echo2
11-22-2004, 03:53 PM
High blood presure is a side effect of being a neocon trav. Keeping all that hatefull idealogy covered up with religious dribble is hard work.

Overdose
11-22-2004, 04:07 PM
Originally posted by DaveTooner
You're bragging about 40 affiliates? Guys like Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly have 400-500 stations. You must be joking.
And how long have they been around compared to Air America? Air America isn’t even a year old, Dave.

Originally posted by Travh20
I cant stand randi rhodes.
I love her to death.

Originally posted by Travh20
her voice drives me crazy and every time she says america I want to put my hand through my windshield 'a-mer-i-ka" it drives batty.
I feel the same way when Bush says mer-ic-ka…(fairly similar to Randi) I’ve never noticed her say it incorrectly, though. But I do love her voice.

Originally posted by Travh20
I have noticed that her show is not really a news analysis show like Rsh or the others, but more of a bash republicans show. its just pointless republican bashing with no context. at least rush and the others bash the dems in a context approrpriate to the day and age. you can turn on randi rhodes and hear her rant for 30 minutes about the 2000 election
Oh, how you are incorrect. She talks about the top news, every time I hear her. Yes, she does bash on Republicans, effectively and she brings up many valid points. She attacks Bush, with recent news reports from Iraq, and many other issues. I don’t know what in the hell you are talking about.

And, I haven’t heard her talk about 2000 for a few months now. Have you listened to her recently?

As for Rush, she beat Rush Limbaugh in ratings in Florida when she was first starting out. She kicks ass, and the Republicans are scared of her. Oh the joys.

The Praetorian
11-22-2004, 04:32 PM
The smart, well known Republican pundits are scared of a fat-faced, ex-waitress, OD.

SecretAgentMan
11-22-2004, 04:36 PM
Originally Posted by Overdose
...I haven’t heard her talk about 2000 for a few months now.

Of course you haven't, because her point when she rambled on about 2000 was that Bush stole the election, and the America Really wanted Gore to win, but that was thrown in her face when the real majority came out to vote on Nov. 2nd.

Now all she does is piss and moan about "voter fraud" and other ridiculous nonsense.

Overdose
11-22-2004, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by The Praetorian
The smart, well known Republican pundits are scared of a fat-faced, ex-waitress, OD.

First, how is she fat? I’d say Rush is fat, though.

Secondly, those Republicans aren't smart.

Thirdly, her ratings have beaten out most other Republicans in the areas that Air America is in. Yes, they are scared. They just won't admit it.

Listen to her show, and you’ll see why. Trav just doesn’t comprehend well, so he doesn’t understand what she says on her show. But I’m fairly confident that you’ll understand what she’s saying. Where do you live? I can get you the station.

Echo2
11-22-2004, 04:40 PM
When people fear something they demonize it. You guys are afraid and with good reason. Intellegent news is being put out over the airwaves for the country to listen to. That would scare the hell out of Rush worshiping neocons.

DaveTooner
11-22-2004, 04:47 PM
And how long have they been around compared to Air America? Air America isn’t even a year old, Dave.

Well, Hannity became nationally syndicated in 2001 and has around 400 stations. It took him ONE YEAR to become the number 2 nationally syndicated radio show. O'Reilly's radio show came out in 2002 and it already has over 400 stations. Looks like Air America needs to pick up the pace if it wants to be the serious competition that you claim it already is. Give me a break.

Travh20
11-22-2004, 04:53 PM
overdose, if your dumb ass can comprehend it I am sure its not as advanced as you seem to believe it is. I have noticed you have quite the superiority complex. mommy and daddy must really baby you. I have a feeling you will be in for a rude awakening when you have to make it on your own in the real world. A good suggestion is to not run your mouth to people you dont know and call them dumb, unless you want to make a habit of breaking peoples fists with your face

Overdose
11-22-2004, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by DaveTooner
Well, Hannity became nationally syndicated in 2001 and has around 400 stations.
Three years, and he has 400? Okay, and Air America has 40 and hasn’t been around for even a year. Would you please link to where it proves he has 400? I’d like to see it, if that’s okay.

And, liberal radio is new to the airwaves. Republicans have had years of domination of the airwaves, so of course it’s not going to be progressing as fast.

But the Republicans on this forum and in the news said it wasn’t going to last for even a few months. Then they said it was going to go bankrupt. Then they said it was going to go off the air after the election. So far, they have been wrong. Air America is here to stay, and it is growing, period.

Overdose
11-22-2004, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by Travh20
A good suggestion is to not run your mouth to people you dont know and call them dumb, unless you want to make a habit of breaking peoples fists with your face
You’ve insulted me many times. You’ve attacked me personally, many times. Yet, when I do it to you, you get all in offense. Double standard?

You can sure dish it out Trav, but you can’t take it. Now, that is weak. That is very ironic and funny. Have a nice day, Trav.

Travh20
11-22-2004, 05:06 PM
dont say I didnt warn you. some people are not as tolerant as I am

Overdose
11-22-2004, 05:08 PM
Tolerant? I’ve been tolerant of you, Trav. You’ve insulted me many more times then I have insulted you. Don’t talk to me about tolerance, Trav. You are very, very, intolerant.

Now back to the subject, listen to Randi today! We can listen to her together! It will be so much fun!

SecretAgentMan
11-22-2004, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by Overdose
Thirdly, her [Randi Rhoades] ratings have beaten out most other Republicans in the areas that Air America is in. Yes, they are scared. They just won't admit it.

I don't think they are that scared Bro.

Here are the ratings results from the talk stations in my area. The first two are regular, conservative stations. The last one is our Air America Affiliate, and I live in California.

Station: KOGO-AM Rating: 4.8

Station: KFMB-AM Rating: 4.1

Station: KLSD-AM Rating: 2.7

Source:RadioandRecords.com (http://www.radioandrecords.com/RRRatings/DetailsPage.aspx?MID=227&RY=2004&RQ=4&MP=1&OTHER=2&MN=San%20Diego&MS=CA&MR=17&12P=2485600&UP=11/16/2004&SU=CM&BPER=5.7&HPER=23.9&OPER=&NSD=12/14/2004&CE=0)

Overdose
11-22-2004, 05:15 PM
Ahhhh, luckily Air America was just put in California a few months ago. Compared to the years, I’m sure those conservative talk shows have been around.

Travh20
11-22-2004, 05:17 PM
dont burst the kids bubble agentman. he lives in a meticulously constructed fantasy world, and any injection of facts is likely to bring it all down. have mercy bro. let him believe air America is the new radio juggernaut ready to disembowel Rush and the rest and storm every radio in America with the pure, uncensored facts that will sweep the Republicans aside and usher in a new era of democrat dominance that lasts a thousand years!

SecretAgentMan
11-22-2004, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by Overdose
Ahhhh, luckily Air America was just put in California a few months ago. Compared to the years, I’m sure those conservative talk shows have been around.

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Overdose
11-22-2004, 05:31 PM
The fact is, those conservatives talk shows have been around for years. Of course Air America isn’t beating them, for Air America hasn’t even been around for a single year, I don’t believe.
I posted an article awhile ago that showed Randi Rhodes was beating Rush Limbaugh in many states.

DaveTooner
11-22-2004, 05:45 PM
Would you please link to where it proves he has 400? I’d like to see it, if that’s okay.

You can go to his website for affiliate information, same as any other radio host.

Overdose
11-22-2004, 05:47 PM
I went and looked, I couldn’t find it. I bet it’s on there, I just didn’t see it. Oh well…

DaveTooner
11-22-2004, 05:56 PM
My mistake, he doesn't have a list of affiliates like most sites do. You have to search via zip code to find them. Anyway, read the bio on the site. First paragraph and second to last paragraph.

Darth Be'lal
11-22-2004, 06:03 PM
I doubt Air America will ever come close to the power and influence of Rush Limbaugh. Rush can argue a point with a force that is astronomical, he wins fights.

I think it was Al Franken who was arguing with a college kid about the war with radical islam. Which Franken was against. This college kid couldn't come up with a real argument as to why we are at a war with radical islamists, which is no surprise. What surprised me is that Franken couldn't defend his position of trying to live in peace with terrorists. If Air America is to be a successful enterprise, they need to defend their posistions.

Overdose
11-22-2004, 06:05 PM
I’m sure, Rush Limbaugh the saint! He cannot defend his positions. I’ve listened to his show, and he is full of useless garbage. Even conservatives on this forum know he is an idiot full of useless lies.

SecretAgentMan
11-22-2004, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by Overdose
I’m sure, Rush Limbaugh the saint! He cannot defend his positions. I’ve listened to his show, and he is full of useless garbage. Even conservatives on this forum know he is an idiot full of useless lies.
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Darth Be'lal
11-22-2004, 06:13 PM
Most conservatives are too scared of defending Limbaugh because nobody wants to be seen as a "mind numbed robot" the leftist media has painted us dittoheads. I myself usually don't refer to Rush when I'm defending a position, I try to look for other sources. It's too easy for the left to smear Rush.

It's too bad I can't post a recording of Rush blasting a caller over the war in Iraq. God, that was a great day. Dose, Rush is very, very capable of defending himself.

Overdose
11-22-2004, 06:16 PM
The left media, what a joke. I guess once you say it enough, people start to believe it. Sadly, you are incorrect.

It's proven he is a liar. Many books, and websites have come out smearing his opinions and use of "facts"....

But go ahead, listen to him. Ignorance is bliss, my friend.

DaveTooner
11-22-2004, 07:55 PM
OD, you can find books and websites "smearing" anyone under the sun, left or right.

DaveTooner
11-22-2004, 07:55 PM
Most conservatives are too scared of defending Limbaugh because nobody wants to be seen as a "mind numbed robot" the leftist media has painted us dittoheads.

So true.

Brooks
11-22-2004, 09:40 PM
Is Franken drawing a salary yet. A couple of months ago he "voluntarily" decided to forego his paycheck.

Travh20
11-22-2004, 10:25 PM
First of all, Rush Limbaugh is not full of crap or an idiot, he is so right on about things it drives the entire left wing to try and discount him as a loony. its easier then arguing his points. Rush limbaugh would decimate anyone on here or on radio. you dont get to where he is and do it for so long spewing lies and bullshit Overdose. a year and 40 stations for an entire network of shows is a flash in the pan. dont get to big for your britchs with this air america thing. Remember Rush is a one man show, air america is a lot of people all working together. Air America is basically a bunch of pretty lame shows that couldnt make it on thier own, so they bought whole stations that only play them. no show on air america could go out on its own and compete with rush or Medved or Savage or any of the others.

Travh20
11-22-2004, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by Overdose
The left media, what a joke. I guess once you say it enough, people start to believe it. Sadly, you are incorrect.

It's proven he is a liar. Many books, and websites have come out smearing his opinions and use of "facts"....

But go ahead, listen to him. Ignorance is bliss, my friend.

ya, and when we post websites doing the same thing to Micheal Moore you trash them as to right wing. I m sure all the web sites that trash rush are bi partisan and objective right? :rolleyes: your either really gullible or horribly naieve

Overdose
11-22-2004, 11:39 PM
Yes, I’m “Naieve”

The Praetorian
11-23-2004, 08:55 AM
Originally posted by Overdose
First, how is she fat? I’d say Rush is fat, though.

Secondly, those Republicans aren't smart.

Thirdly, her ratings have beaten out most other Republicans in the areas that Air America is in. Yes, they are scared. They just won't admit it.

Listen to her show, and you’ll see why. Trav just doesn’t comprehend well, so he doesn’t understand what she says on her show. But I’m fairly confident that you’ll understand what she’s saying. Where do you live? I can get you the station.

Firstly, have you seen Rush lately??? The dudes lost a TON of weight. Secondly, some of those Republicans cheerleaders are INCREDIBLY bright, not to mention, well versed in debate, and not scared to take on anyone. Although, I do agree with Brooks - I find Hannity to be annoying, and I think O'Rielly is a sock sniffing, bog trotter, however, I do agree with him a lot. Rush, while being a BIG TIME blowhard, is an AMAZINGLY intelligent man, and a ferocious debater. He pisses me off every once in a while, but there are times I marvel at his ability to take what someone says, disseminate the facts, and completely TRASH the point they were trying to make by interjecting valid arguments the caller/interviewee couldn't possibly refute. His brain IS powerful, and there's no way to argue that without sounding like an idiot. Lastly, you know I live in Chicago, but don't bother looking up what station Air America is broadcasted on here, I'll check the website and find out for my self. I’ll try to keep an open mind, and after I listen to it for a few days, I’ll let you know what I think. However, I’m probably the MOST conservative poster here, so be prepared for a blasting if I find it to be dull and thoughtless.

Darth Be'lal
11-23-2004, 06:01 PM
Praet,

You have serious competition from me and Travh.

Echo2
11-23-2004, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by Travh20
First of all, Rush Limbaugh is not full of crap or an idiot, he is so right on about things .....

Limbaugh vs. Reality
Bogus Economics
LIMBAUGH: On California contractor C.C. Myers completing repairs 74 days early on the earthquake-damaged Santa Monica Freeway: "There was one key element that made this happen. One key thing: The governor of California declared the [freeway] a disaster area and by so doing eliminated the need for competitive bids.... Government got the hell out of the way." (TV show, 4/13/94) "They gave this guy [Myers] the job without having to go through the rigmarole...of giving 25 percent of the job to a minority-owned business and 25 percent to a woman." (TV show, 4/15/94)
REALITY: There was competitive bidding: Myers beat four other contractors for the job. Affirmative action rules applied: At least 40 percent of the subcontracts went to minority or women-owned firms. Far from getting out of the way, dozens of state employees were on the job 24 hours a day. Furthermore, the federal government picked up the tab for the whole job (L.A. Times, 5/1/94).

LIMBAUGH: "Banks take the risks in issuing student loans and they are entitled to the profits." (Radio show, quoted in FRQ, Summer/93)

REALITY: Banks take no risks in issuing student loans, which are federally insured.

LIMBAUGH: "Don't let the liberals deceive you into believing that a decade of sustained growth without inflation in America [in the '80s] resulted in a bigger gap between the haves and the have-nots. Figures compiled by the Congressional Budget Office dispel that myth." (Ought to Be, p. 70)

REALITY: CBO figures do nothing of the sort. Its numbers for after-tax incomes show that in 1980, the richest fifth of our country had eight times the income of the poorest fifth. By 1989, the ratio was more than 20 to one.

LIMBAUGH: Comparing the 1950s with the present: "And I might point out that poverty and economic disparities between the lower and upper classes were greater during the former period." (Told You So, p. 84)

REALITY: Income inequality, as measured by the U.S. Census Bureau, fell from the 1940s to the late 1960s, and then began rising. Inequality surpassed the 1950 level in 1982 and rose steadily to all-time highs in 1992. (Census Bureau's "Money Income of Households, Families and Persons in the United States")

LIMBAUGH: "Oh, how they relished blaming Reagan administration policies, including the mythical reductions in HUD's budget for public housing, for creating all of the homeless! Budget cuts? There were no budget cuts! The budget figures show that actual construction of public housing increased during the Reagan years." (Ought to Be, p. 242-243)

REALITY: In 1980, 20,900 low-income public housing units were under construction; in 1988, 9,700, a decline of 54 percent ;Statistical Abstracts of the U.S).In terms of 1993 dollars, the HUD budget for the construction of new public housing was slashed from $6.3 billion in 1980 to $683 million in 1988. "We're getting out of the housing business. Period," a Reagan HUD official declared in 1985.

LIMBAUGH: "The poorest people in America are better off than the mainstream families of Europe." (Radio show, quoted in FRQ, Spring/93)

REALITY: Huh? The average cash income of the poorest 20 percent of Americans is $5,226; the average cash income of four major European nations--Germany, France, United Kingdom and Italy--is $19,708.

LIMBAUGH: "There's no such thing as an implied contract." (Radio show, quoted in FRQ, Spring/93)

REALITY: Every first year law student knows there is.

LIMBAUGH: "Ladies and gentlemen, we now know why there is this institutional opposition to low tax rates in the liberal wing of the Democratic Party. It's because [low tax rates] are biblical in nature and in root. When you can trace the lowering of tax rates on grain from 90 percent to 20 percent giving seven fat years during the days of Pharaoh in Egypt, why then you are tracing the roots of lower taxes and rising prosperity to religion.... You can trace individual prosperity, economic growth back to the Bible, the Old Testament. Isn't it amazing?" (Radio show, 6/28/93)

REALITY: Amazingly wrong. Genesis 41 is about the wisdom of instituting taxes, not cutting them. After Pharaoh had a dream that prophesied seven fat years to be followed by seven lean years, Joseph advised him to "appoint officers over the land, and take up the fifth part of the land of Egypt in the seven plenteous years...and lay up corn under the hands of Pharaoh." In other words, a 20 percent tax on the grain harvest would put aside food for use during the famine. Pharaoh took Joseph's advice, and Egypt avoided hunger during the famine.

Weird Science
LIMBAUGH: "It has not been proven that nicotine is addictive, the same with cigarettes causing emphysema [and other diseases]." (Radio show, 4/29/94)
REALITY: Nicotine's addictiveness has been reported in medical literature since the turn of the century. Surgeon General C. Everett Koop's 1988 report on nicotine addiction left no doubts on the subject; "Today the scientific base linking smoking to a number of chronic diseases is overwhelming, with a total of 50,000 studies from dozens of countries," states Encyclopedia Britannica's 1987 "Medical and Health Annual."

LIMBAUGH: "We closed down a whole town--Times Beach, Mo.--over the threat of dioxin. We now know there was no reason to do that. Dioxin at those levels isn't harmful." (Ought to Be, p. 163)

REALITY: "The hypothesis that low exposures [to dioxin] are entirely safe for humans is distinctly less tenable now than before," editorialized the New England Journal of Medicine after publishing a study (1/24/91) on cancer mortality and dioxin. In 1993, after Limbaugh's book was written, a study of residents in Seveso, Italy had increased cancer rates after being exposed to dioxin, The EPA's director of environmental toxicology said this study removed one of the last remaining doubts about dioxin's deadly effects (AP, 8/29/93).

LIMBAUGH: "The worst of all of this is the lie that condoms really protect against AIDS. The condom failure rate can be as high as 20 percent. Would you get on a plane -- or put your children on a plane -- if one of five passengers would be killed on the flight? Well, the statistic holds for condoms, folks." (Ought to Be, p. 135)

REALITY: A one in five AIDS risk for condom users? Not true, according to Dr. Joseph Kelaghan, who evaluates contraceptives for the National Institutes of Health. "There is substantive evidence that condoms prevent transmission if used consistently and properly," he said. He pointed to a nearly two-year study of couples in which one partner was HIV-positive. Among the 123 couples who used condoms regularly, there wasn't a single new infection (AP, 8/29/93).

LIMBAUGH: "Most Canadian physicians who are themselves in need of surgery, for example, scurry across the border to get it done right: the American way. They have found, through experience, that state medical care is too expensive, too slow and inefficient, and, most important, it doesn't provide adequate care for most people." (Told You So, p. 153)

REALITY: "Mr. Limbaugh's claim simply isn't true," says Dr. Hugh Scully, chair of the Canadian Medical Association's Council on Healing and Finance. "The vast majority of Canadians, including physicians, receive their care here in Canada. Those few Canadians who receive health care in the U.S. most often do because they have winter homes in the States--like Arizona and Florida--and have emergent health problems there." Medical care in Canada is hardly "too expensive"; it's provided free and covered by taxes.

LIMBAUGH: "If you have any doubts about the status of American health care, just compare it with that in other industrialized nations." (Told You So, p. 153)

REALITY: The United States ranks 19th in life expectancy and 20th in infant mortality among 23 industrialized nations, according to the CIA's 1993 World Fact Book. The U.S. also has the lowest health care satisfaction rate (11 percent) of the 10 largest industrialized nations (Health Affairs, vol. 9, no. 2).

LIMBAUGH: Denouncing Jeremy Rifkin of the Beyond Beef campaign as an "ecopest": "Rifkin is bent out of shape because he says the cattle consume enough grain to feed hundreds of millions of people. The reason the cattle are eating the grain is so they can be fattened and slaughtered, after which they will feed people, who need a high protein diet." (Ought To Be, p. 110)

REALITY: Sixteen pounds of grain and soy is required to produce one pound of edible food from beef (USDA Economic Research Service). As for needing a "high-protein diet," the World Health Organization and U.S. Department of Agriculture recommend that from 4.5 percent to 6 percent of daily calories come from protein. The amount of calories from protein in rice is 8 percent; in wheat it's 17 percent (USDA Handbook No. 456).

LIMBAUGH: "Do you know we have more acreage of forest land in the United States today than we did at the time the constitution was written." (Radio show, 2/18/94)

REALITY: In what are now the 50 U.S. states, there were 850 million acres of forest land in the late 1700s vs. only 730 million today (The Bum's Rush, p. 136). Limbaugh's claim also ignores the fact that much of today's forests are single-species tree farms, as opposed to natural old-growth forests which support diverse ecosystems.

Brotherhood...and Sisterhood
LIMBAUGH: "The videotape of the Rodney King beating played absolutely no role in the conviction of two of the four officers. It was pure emotion that was responsible for the guilty verdict." (Radio show, quoted in FRQ, Summer/93)
REALITY: "Jury Foreman Says Video Was Crucial in Convictions", read an accurate Los Angeles Times headline the day after the federal court verdict (4/20/93).

LIMBAUGH: "Anytime the illegitimacy rate in black America is raised, Rev. Jackson and other black 'leaders' immediately change the subject." (Ought to Be, p. 225)

REALITY: Jesse Jackson has been talking about and against "children having children" in speeches and interviews for decades. So have many other black leaders, especially in the clergy.

LIMBAUGH: Praising Strom Thurmond for calling a gay soldier "not normal": "He's not encumbered by being politically correct.... If you want to know what America used to be--and a lot of people wish it still were--then you listen to Strom Thurmond." (TV show, 9/1/93)

REALITY: In the America that "used to be," Strom Thurmond was one of the country's strongest voices for racism, running for president in 1948 on the slogan, "Segregation Forever."

LIMBAUGH: "There are more American Indians alive today than there were when Columbus arrived or at any other time in history. Does this sound like a record of genocide?" (Told You So, p. 68)

REALITY: According to Carl Shaw of the U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs, estimates of the pre-Columbus population of what later became the United States range from 5 million to 15 million. Native populations in the late 19th century fell to 250,000, due in part to genocidal policies. Today the U.S.'s Native American population is about 2 million.

LIMBAUGH: "Women were doing quite well in this country before feminism came along." (Radio show, quoted in FRQ, Summer/93)

REALITY: Before feminism, women couldn't even vote.

LIMBAUGH: "Anita Hill followed Clarence Thomas everywhere. Wherever he went, she wanted to be right by his side, she wanted to work with him, she wanted to continue to date him.... There were no other accusers who came forth after Anita Hill did and said, 'Yeah, Clarence Thomas, he harassed me, too.' There was none of that." (TV show, 5/4/94)

REALITY: Hill could not have continued to date Thomas, since they never dated. Two other women, Sukari Hardnett and Angela Wright, came forth in the Thomas case with similar charges.

LIMBAUGH: "Now I got something for you that's true--1972, Tufts University, Boston. This is 24 years ago--or 22 years ago. Three year study of 5000 co-eds, and they used a benchmark of a bra size of 34C. They found that the--now wait. It's true. The larger the bra-size, the smaller the IQ." (TV show, 5/13/94)

REALITY: Dr. Burton Hallowell, president of Tufts in the '60s and '70s, had "absolutely no recollection" of such a study, according to Tufts' communications office. "I surely would have remembered that!" he exclaimed. Limbaugh's staff was unable to produce any such study. A search of the Nexis database--while revealing no evidence of a Tufts study--did produce a number of women theorizing that the presence of large breasts caused a lowering of IQ in some males.

The Clinton Obsession
LIMBAUGH: On Whitewater: "I don't think the New York Times has run a story on this yet. I mean, we haven't done a thorough search, but I--there has not been a big one, front-page story, about this one that we can recall. So this has yet to create or get up to its full speed--if it weren't for us and the Wall Street Journal and the American Spectator, this would be one of the biggest and most well kept secrets going on in American politics today." (TV show, 2/17/94)
REALITY: The New York Times broke the Whitewater story on March 8, 1992, in a front-page story by Jeff Gerth that included much of the key information known today. The investigative article ran over 1700 words.

LIMBAUGH: "You know the Clintons send Chelsea to the Sidwell Friends private school.... A recent eighth grade class assignment required students to write a paper on 'Why I Feel Guilty Being White".'... My source for this story is CBS News. I am not making it up." (Radio show, quoted in the Chicago Sun-Times, 1/16/94.)

REALITY: When Richard Roeper of the Chicago Sun-Times called CBS, the network denied running such a story. Ellis Turner, the director of external affairs for Sidwell Friends, told Roeper: "There is no legitimacy to the story that has been circulating.... We're anxious to let people know that this story is not true." The essay topic would be particularly difficult for the 28 percent of the school's student body that is not white.

;LIMBAUGH: "You better pay attention to the 1993 budget deal because there is an increase in beer and alcohol taxes." (Radio show, 7/9/93)

REALITY: There were no increases in beer and alcohol taxes in the 1993 budget.

LIMBAUGH: The lead item on a page of "Stupid Quotes" in the May '94 Limbaugh Letter--subtitled, "Folks, I don't make this stuff up"--was a quote attributed to Eleanor Clift on the McLaughlin Group: "Hillary and Bill Clinton cheating on their taxes was a protest against the Reagan era tax breaks for the wealthy.... They knew...the IRS would catch up to them and tack penalties.... If more people had been as far-sighted and altruistic as the Clintons, we could retroactively erase the deficit." Limbaugh commented, "It's only May, folks, and we've got our Stupid Quote of the year."

REALITY: Rush Limbaugh, April Fool. The item came from the April Fools Day issue of a right-wing newsletter Notable Quotables. Each item in the newsletter was dated April 1 and the issue signed off with the words "April Fools." (The Limbaugh Letter later printed a correction on this and another April Fools quote used as fact.)

Fractured History
LIMBAUGH: Quotes President James Madison: "We have staked the future...upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." (Told You So, p. 73)
REALITY: "We didn't find anything in our files remotely like the sentiment expressed in the extract you sent to us," David B. Mattern, the associate editor of The Madison Papers, told the Kansas City Star (1/16/94). "In addition, the idea is entirely inconsistent with everything we know about Madison's views on religion and government."

Echo2
11-23-2004, 06:16 PM
AND THERE"S MORE!

LIMBAUGH: "And it was only 4,000 votes that--had they gone another way in Chicago--Richard Nixon would have been elected in 1960." (TV show, 4/28/94)

REALITY:Kennedy won the 1960 election with 303 electoral votes to 219 for Nixon. Without Illinois' 27 electoral votes, Kennedy would still have won, 276-246.

LIMBAUGH: On how to stop riots: "Richard Daley, in 1968, in the Democratic National Convention, issued an order--where there were rumors of riots--he issued a shoot-to-kill order. And there were no riots and there was no civil disobedience and no shots were fired and nobody was hurt. And that's what ought to happen." (TV show, 6/10/93)

REALITY: Mayor Daley's shoot-to-kill order was issued not at the Democratic Convention, but following the April 4, 1968 Martin Luther King assassination. Daley wasn't reacting to "rumors of riots" since riots had already broken out. The shoot-to-kill order hardly put an end to unrest--since four months after Daley's order, protestors flocked to Chicago's Democratic Convention and engaged in riotous civil disobedience. Protesters chanted, "The whole world is watching." Except for Rush Limbaugh.

LIMBAUGH: In an attack on Spike Lee, director of Malcolm X, for being fast and loose with the facts, Limbaugh introduced a video clip of Malcolm X's "daughter named Betty Shabazz." (TV show, 11/17/92)

REALITY: Betty Shabazz is Malcolm X's widow.

LIMBAUGH: "Those gas lines were a direct result of the foreign oil powers playing tough with us because they didn't fear Jimmy Carter." (Told You So, p. 112)

REALITY: The first--and most serious--gas lines occurred in late 1973/early 1974, during the administration of Limbaugh hero Richard Nixon.

LIMBAUGH: On Iran-Contra special prosecutor Lawrence Walsh: "This Walsh story basically is, we just spent seven years and $40 million looking for any criminal activity on the part of anybody in the Reagan administration, and guess what? We couldn't find any. These guys didn't do anything, but we wish they had so that we could nail them. So instead, we're just going to say, 'Gosh, these are rotten guys.' They have absolutely no evidence. There is not one indictment. There is not one charge." (TV show, 1/19/94)

REALITY:Walsh won indictments against 14 people in connection with the Iran-Contra scandal including leading Reagan administration officials like former Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger and former national security advisers Robert McFarlane and John Poindexter. Of the 14, 11 were convicted or pleaded guilty. (Two convictions were later overturned on technicalities--including that of occasional Limbaugh substitute Oliver North.)

LIMBAUGH: Explaining why the Democrats wanted to "sabotage" President Bush with the 1990 budget deal: "Now, here is my point. In 1990, George Bush was president and was enjoying a 90 percent plus approval rating on the strength of our victories in the Persian Gulf War and Cold War." (Told You So, p. 304)

REALITY: In October 1990, when the budget deal was concluded the Gulf War had not yet been fought.

LIMBAUGH: On the Gulf War: "Everybody in the world was aligned with the United States except who? The United States Congress." (TV show, 4/18/94)

REALITY: Both houses of Congress voted to authorize the U.S. to use force against Iraq.

LIMBAUGH: On Bosnia: "For the first time in military history, U.S. military personnel are not under the command of United States generals." (TV show, 4/18/94)

REALITY: That's news to the Pentagon. "How far back do you want to go?" asked Commander Joe Gradisher, a Pentagon spokesperson. "Americans served under Lafayette in the Revolutionary war." Gradisher pointed out several famous foreign commanders of U.S. troops, including France's Marshall Foch, in overall command of U.S. troops in World War I. In World War II, Britain's General Montgomery led U.S. troops in Europe and North Africa, while another British General, Lord Mountbatten, commanded the China-Burma-India theatre.

Personal Attacks
LIMBAUGH: Limbaugh constantly tells his audience that he doesn't make personal or ad hominem attacks. To a caller who had a problem with his personalized attacks, Limbaugh responded with a denial: "Give me a specific example: who, what, when, where, and what exactly did I say?" (Radio show, 2/18/94)
REALITY: One hour before that call, Limbaugh was telling his audience that a 5,000-year-old man found buried in ice--pictured on the cover of Time magazine--was really Sally Jesse Raphael: "This is just what Sally Jesse Raphael looks like without makeup!"

MORE REALITY: Columnist Molly Ivins reported (Arizona Republic 10/17/93) this incident from Limbaugh's TV show--"Here is a Limbaugh joke: Everyone knows the Clintons have a cat. Socks is the White House cat. But did you know there is a White House dog?" And he puts up a picture of Chelsea Clinton. Chelsea Clinton is 13 years old.

LIMBAUGH: Assailing a journalist who had criticized Nixon: "Michael Gartner, portraying himself as a balanced, objective journalist with years and years of experience faking events, and then reporting them as news--and doing so with the express hope of destroying General Motors in one case and destroying businesses that cut down trees, the timber industry, in another." (TV show, 4/27/94)

REALITY: Gartner, the NBC News president who resigned in the wake of the GM truck explosion episode on NBC's Dateline, had no hands-on role in it--nor had he expressed a hope of destroying any company.

LIMBAUGH: Equally accurate when denouncing a fellow conservative, he said of right-wing journalist Cliff Kincaid: "He's written all kinds of pieces about how I don't go make speeches for free, for the cause.... He's just one more of these little gnats out there trying to sink a Boeing 747 that's leaving him in a cloud of dust." (Radio show, 11/19/93)

REALITY: Kincaid's only published piece on whether Limbaugh does speeches "for the cause" was in Human Events (7/27/91): "He does his bit for conservatives when the movement calls. He waived his fees, for instance, when he emceed at roasts for Oliver North and Paul Weyrich and addressed the National Right to Life convention."

Limbaugh vs. Limbaugh
LIMBAUGH: Limbaugh frequently denies that he uses his show for political activism: "I have yet to encourage you people or urge you to call anybody. I don't do it. They think I'm the one doing it. That's fine. You don't need to be told when to call. They think you are a bunch of lemmings out there." (Radio show, 6/28/93)
REALITY: Just an hour after making the above claim, he was--as usual--sending his troops to the trenches: "The people in the states where these Democratic senators are up for reelection in '94 have to let their feelings be known.... These senators, you let them know. I think Wisconsin's one state. Let's say Herb Kohl is up in '94. You people in Wisconsin who don't like this bill, who don't like the tax increases, you let Herb Kohl know somehow."

LIMBAUGH: On the poverty line: "$14,400 for a family of four. That's not so bad." (Radio show, 11/9/93, quoted in FRQ, Winter/94)

REALITY: Just a few months earlier, Limbaugh was talking about how tough it was to make 10 times that: "I know families that make $180,000 a year and they don't consider themselves rich. Why, it costs them $20,000 a year to send their kids to school." (Radio show, 8/3/93, quoted in FRQ, Winter/94)

LIMBAUGH: On Bill Clinton: "Never trust a draft dodger." (Radio show, quoted in FRQ, Summer/93)

REALITY: Although a supporter of the Vietnam War, Limbaugh used a minor physical impairment to avoid the draft (Minneapolis Star Tribune, 9/27/93).

LIMBAUGH: In frequent broadcasts, Limbaugh offers impassioned advocacy for Paula Jones, who charged Bill Clinton with sexual harassment. (TV and radio, April-May/94)

REALITY: Limbaugh boasted that a sign on his office door reads, "Sexual harassment at this work station will not be reported. However...it will be graded!!!" (USA Weekend, 1/26/92).



[Sidebar: Rush Limbaugh: Champion of the Overdog
Who says Rush Limbaugh is abusive to minorities? He champions various minority interests: multi-millionaires, bankers, owners of private planes and yachts, drug companies. It's only those other "minorities"--women, workers, the poor, racial minorities, gays--that he has no use for. Here's a sampling:
"One of the things I want to do before I die is conduct the Homeless Olympics...[Events would include] the 10-meter Shopping Cart Relay, the Dumpster Dig, and the Hop, Skip and Trip." (L.A. Times, 1/20/91)

On NAFTA: "If we are going to start rewarding no skills and stupid people--I'm serious, let the unskilled jobs, let the kinds of jobs that take absolutely no knowledge whatsoever to do--let stupid and unskilled Mexicans do that work." (Radio show quoted in FRQ, Fall/93)

Speculating on why a Mexican national won the New York marathon: "An immigration agent chased him for the last 10 miles." (USA Weekend, 1/26/92)

This is asinine! A Caesar Chavez Day in California? Wasn't he convicted of a crime?" (Quoted in FRQ, Winter/94)

"Kurt Cobain was, ladies and gentleman, I just--he was a worthless shred of human debris..." (TV show, 4/11/94)

"When a gay person turns his back on you, it is anything but an insult ; it's an invitation." (Quoted in FRQ, Summer/94)

"Feminism was established to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream." (Quoted in FRQ, Summer/93)

"Militant feminists are pro-choice because it's their ultimate avenue of power over men.... It is their attempt to impose their will on the rest of society, particularly on men." (Ought to Be, p.53)

"Why is it that whenever a corporation fires workers it is never speculated that the workers might have deserved it?" (Ought to Be, p.275)

Jester
11-23-2004, 06:27 PM
Is anyone here open to the idea that both Rush Limbaugh and the Air America people are lying, exaggerating partisans who are full of B.S.?

Darth Be'lal
11-23-2004, 06:29 PM
Every try to take a sip of water from a fire hose? That's what echo's previous postings are like.

One small point. I don't remember Jesse Jackson EVER mention the wrongs of out of wedlock teens having children. I DO remember Bill Cosby doing just that, and got lambasted for it.

Travh20
11-23-2004, 09:35 PM
Originally posted by Overdose
Yes, I’m “Naieve”

good answer idiot

Travh20
11-23-2004, 09:38 PM
wow, echo must have spent an eternity compiling all those facts.

Brooks
11-24-2004, 11:00 AM
LIMBAUGH: "Women were doing quite well in this country before feminism came along." (Radio show, quoted in FRQ, Summer/93)

REALITY: Before feminism, women couldn't even vote.

************** *****************

Now that's just stupid

Travh20
11-24-2004, 11:01 AM
lol

The Praetorian
11-24-2004, 01:14 PM
[Sidebar: Rush Limbaugh: Champion of the Overdog
Who says Rush Limbaugh is abusive to minorities? He champions various minority interests: multi-millionaires, bankers, owners of private planes and yachts, drug companies. It's only those other "minorities"--women, workers, the poor, racial minorities, gays--that he has no use for.
Some of his quotes were hilariously brilliant! For example:

"Militant feminists are pro-choice because it's their ultimate avenue of power over men.... It is their attempt to impose their will on the rest of society, particularly on men."

And you've gotta love this one:

"Feminism was established to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream."

I don't know about you, but I'd love to see this:

"One of the things I want to do before I die is conduct the Homeless Olympics...[Events would include] the 10-meter Shopping Cart Relay, the Dumpster Dig, and the Hop, Skip and Trip."

What's wrong with this?

On NAFTA: "If we are going to start rewarding no skills and stupid people--I'm serious, let the unskilled jobs, let the kinds of jobs that take absolutely no knowledge whatsoever to do--let stupid and unskilled Mexicans do that work."

Oh, I bet this pissed 'em off:

"This is asinine! A Caesar Chavez Day in California? Wasn't he convicted of a crime?"

Caesar "Commie" Chavez was, in the vein of most Mexicans, a migrant worker, and we have him to thank inflated produce costs and today’s bloated union monopolies. I think a day honoring him might be a little inappropriate, as well.

A shining example of politically correct humor (and damned funny, if I do say so myself...):

Speculating on why a Mexican national won the New York marathon: "An immigration agent chased him for the last 10 miles."

You may not think this is appropriate, but in being an employer, let me assure you, it is:

"Why is it that whenever a corporation fires workers it is never speculated that the workers might have deserved it?"

Brooks
11-24-2004, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by Echo2


LIMBAUGH: "The poorest people in America are better off than the mainstream families of Europe." (Radio show, quoted in FRQ, Spring/93)

REALITY: Huh? The average cash income of the poorest 20 percent of Americans is $5,226; the average cash income of four major European nations--Germany, France, United Kingdom and Italy--is $19,708.


This is what he ACTUALLY said:

"The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)"

Here's more from the same article to give an idea of what liberals say qualifies as below the poverty line:

The following facts about persons defined as "poor" by the Census Bureau are taken from various government reports:

* Forty-six percent of all poor households own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as "poor" by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.

* Seventy-six percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, 30 years ago, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.

* Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.

* The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)

* Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 30 percent own two or more cars.

* Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television. Over half own two or more color televisions.

* Seventy-eight percent of America's poor own a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.

* Seventy-three percent of America's poor own microwave ovens; more than half have a stereo; and one-third have an automatic dishwasher.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/bg1796.cfm

Travh20
11-24-2004, 01:26 PM
since when are women a minority?

Brooks
11-24-2004, 01:30 PM
51% is a minority (Echo Math)

Travh20
11-24-2004, 01:35 PM
you forgot to incorperate the margin of error to account for transgender and cross dressers

DaveTooner
11-24-2004, 04:43 PM
You can get quotes of anyone and take them out of context, so why don't you libs just stop this?

The Praetorian
11-24-2004, 06:07 PM
Agreed, Dave.

TheGreat Gatsby
11-24-2004, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by Echo2
AND THERE"S MORE!

LIMBAUGH: "And it was only 4,000 votes that--had they gone another way in Chicago--Richard Nixon would have been elected in 1960." (TV show, 4/28/94)

REALITY:Kennedy won the 1960 election with 303 electoral votes to 219 for Nixon. Without Illinois' 27 electoral votes, Kennedy would still have won, 276-246.

LIMBAUGH: On how to stop riots: "Richard Daley, in 1968, in the Democratic National Convention, issued an order--where there were rumors of riots--he issued a shoot-to-kill order. And there were no riots and there was no civil disobedience and no shots were fired and nobody was hurt. And that's what ought to happen." (TV show, 6/10/93)

REALITY: Mayor Daley's shoot-to-kill order was issued not at the Democratic Convention, but following the April 4, 1968 Martin Luther King assassination. Daley wasn't reacting to "rumors of riots" since riots had already broken out. The shoot-to-kill order hardly put an end to unrest--since four months after Daley's order, protestors flocked to Chicago's Democratic Convention and engaged in riotous civil disobedience. Protesters chanted, "The whole world is watching." Except for Rush Limbaugh.

LIMBAUGH: In an attack on Spike Lee, director of Malcolm X, for being fast and loose with the facts, Limbaugh introduced a video clip of Malcolm X's "daughter named Betty Shabazz." (TV show, 11/17/92)

REALITY: Betty Shabazz is Malcolm X's widow.

LIMBAUGH: "Those gas lines were a direct result of the foreign oil powers playing tough with us because they didn't fear Jimmy Carter." (Told You So, p. 112)

REALITY: The first--and most serious--gas lines occurred in late 1973/early 1974, during the administration of Limbaugh hero Richard Nixon.

LIMBAUGH: On Iran-Contra special prosecutor Lawrence Walsh: "This Walsh story basically is, we just spent seven years and $40 million looking for any criminal activity on the part of anybody in the Reagan administration, and guess what? We couldn't find any. These guys didn't do anything, but we wish they had so that we could nail them. So instead, we're just going to say, 'Gosh, these are rotten guys.' They have absolutely no evidence. There is not one indictment. There is not one charge." (TV show, 1/19/94)

REALITY:Walsh won indictments against 14 people in connection with the Iran-Contra scandal including leading Reagan administration officials like former Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger and former national security advisers Robert McFarlane and John Poindexter. Of the 14, 11 were convicted or pleaded guilty. (Two convictions were later overturned on technicalities--including that of occasional Limbaugh substitute Oliver North.)

LIMBAUGH: Explaining why the Democrats wanted to "sabotage" President Bush with the 1990 budget deal: "Now, here is my point. In 1990, George Bush was president and was enjoying a 90 percent plus approval rating on the strength of our victories in the Persian Gulf War and Cold War." (Told You So, p. 304)

REALITY: In October 1990, when the budget deal was concluded the Gulf War had not yet been fought.

LIMBAUGH: On the Gulf War: "Everybody in the world was aligned with the United States except who? The United States Congress." (TV show, 4/18/94)

REALITY: Both houses of Congress voted to authorize the U.S. to use force against Iraq.

LIMBAUGH: On Bosnia: "For the first time in military history, U.S. military personnel are not under the command of United States generals." (TV show, 4/18/94)

REALITY: That's news to the Pentagon. "How far back do you want to go?" asked Commander Joe Gradisher, a Pentagon spokesperson. "Americans served under Lafayette in the Revolutionary war." Gradisher pointed out several famous foreign commanders of U.S. troops, including France's Marshall Foch, in overall command of U.S. troops in World War I. In World War II, Britain's General Montgomery led U.S. troops in Europe and North Africa, while another British General, Lord Mountbatten, commanded the China-Burma-India theatre.

Personal Attacks
LIMBAUGH: Limbaugh constantly tells his audience that he doesn't make personal or ad hominem attacks. To a caller who had a problem with his personalized attacks, Limbaugh responded with a denial: "Give me a specific example: who, what, when, where, and what exactly did I say?" (Radio show, 2/18/94)
REALITY: One hour before that call, Limbaugh was telling his audience that a 5,000-year-old man found buried in ice--pictured on the cover of Time magazine--was really Sally Jesse Raphael: "This is just what Sally Jesse Raphael looks like without makeup!"

MORE REALITY: Columnist Molly Ivins reported (Arizona Republic 10/17/93) this incident from Limbaugh's TV show--"Here is a Limbaugh joke: Everyone knows the Clintons have a cat. Socks is the White House cat. But did you know there is a White House dog?" And he puts up a picture of Chelsea Clinton. Chelsea Clinton is 13 years old.

LIMBAUGH: Assailing a journalist who had criticized Nixon: "Michael Gartner, portraying himself as a balanced, objective journalist with years and years of experience faking events, and then reporting them as news--and doing so with the express hope of destroying General Motors in one case and destroying businesses that cut down trees, the timber industry, in another." (TV show, 4/27/94)

REALITY: Gartner, the NBC News president who resigned in the wake of the GM truck explosion episode on NBC's Dateline, had no hands-on role in it--nor had he expressed a hope of destroying any company.

LIMBAUGH: Equally accurate when denouncing a fellow conservative, he said of right-wing journalist Cliff Kincaid: "He's written all kinds of pieces about how I don't go make speeches for free, for the cause.... He's just one more of these little gnats out there trying to sink a Boeing 747 that's leaving him in a cloud of dust." (Radio show, 11/19/93)

REALITY: Kincaid's only published piece on whether Limbaugh does speeches "for the cause" was in Human Events (7/27/91): "He does his bit for conservatives when the movement calls. He waived his fees, for instance, when he emceed at roasts for Oliver North and Paul Weyrich and addressed the National Right to Life convention."

Limbaugh vs. Limbaugh
LIMBAUGH: Limbaugh frequently denies that he uses his show for political activism: "I have yet to encourage you people or urge you to call anybody. I don't do it. They think I'm the one doing it. That's fine. You don't need to be told when to call. They think you are a bunch of lemmings out there." (Radio show, 6/28/93)
REALITY: Just an hour after making the above claim, he was--as usual--sending his troops to the trenches: "The people in the states where these Democratic senators are up for reelection in '94 have to let their feelings be known.... These senators, you let them know. I think Wisconsin's one state. Let's say Herb Kohl is up in '94. You people in Wisconsin who don't like this bill, who don't like the tax increases, you let Herb Kohl know somehow."

LIMBAUGH: On the poverty line: "$14,400 for a family of four. That's not so bad." (Radio show, 11/9/93, quoted in FRQ, Winter/94)

REALITY: Just a few months earlier, Limbaugh was talking about how tough it was to make 10 times that: "I know families that make $180,000 a year and they don't consider themselves rich. Why, it costs them $20,000 a year to send their kids to school." (Radio show, 8/3/93, quoted in FRQ, Winter/94)

LIMBAUGH: On Bill Clinton: "Never trust a draft dodger." (Radio show, quoted in FRQ, Summer/93)

REALITY: Although a supporter of the Vietnam War, Limbaugh used a minor physical impairment to avoid the draft (Minneapolis Star Tribune, 9/27/93).

LIMBAUGH: In frequent broadcasts, Limbaugh offers impassioned advocacy for Paula Jones, who charged Bill Clinton with sexual harassment. (TV and radio, April-May/94)

REALITY: Limbaugh boasted that a sign on his office door reads, "Sexual harassment at this work station will not be reported. However...it will be graded!!!" (USA Weekend, 1/26/92).



[Sidebar: Rush Limbaugh: Champion of the Overdog
Who says Rush Limbaugh is abusive to minorities? He champions various minority interests: multi-millionaires, bankers, owners of private planes and yachts, drug companies. It's only those other "minorities"--women, workers, the poor, racial minorities, gays--that he has no use for. Here's a sampling:
"One of the things I want to do before I die is conduct the Homeless Olympics...[Events would include] the 10-meter Shopping Cart Relay, the Dumpster Dig, and the Hop, Skip and Trip." (L.A. Times, 1/20/91)

On NAFTA: "If we are going to start rewarding no skills and stupid people--I'm serious, let the unskilled jobs, let the kinds of jobs that take absolutely no knowledge whatsoever to do--let stupid and unskilled Mexicans do that work." (Radio show quoted in FRQ, Fall/93)

Speculating on why a Mexican national won the New York marathon: "An immigration agent chased him for the last 10 miles." (USA Weekend, 1/26/92)

This is asinine! A Caesar Chavez Day in California? Wasn't he convicted of a crime?" (Quoted in FRQ, Winter/94)

"Kurt Cobain was, ladies and gentleman, I just--he was a worthless shred of human debris..." (TV show, 4/11/94)

"When a gay person turns his back on you, it is anything but an insult ; it's an invitation." (Quoted in FRQ, Summer/94)

"Feminism was established to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream." (Quoted in FRQ, Summer/93)

"Militant feminists are pro-choice because it's their ultimate avenue of power over men.... It is their attempt to impose their will on the rest of society, particularly on men." (Ought to Be, p.53)

"Why is it that whenever a corporation fires workers it is never speculated that the workers might have deserved it?" (Ought to Be, p.275)

You do realize that Rush is pretty damn sarcastic? Probably not.