The same poll takers who predicted a Kerry win told us the key issue was "values." They were wrong. If the voters were concerned about values, they would never have embraced today's Republicans Party. Republican values are money and power, but most voters don't know that.

John Kerry was wrong; America is not worth fighting for. Unfortunately, we're all in the same boat, so I'll have to help keep us afloat until the Democrats get their act together and clean up Bush's mess. It's sort of like looking after half-witted brothers and sisters. You can't help loving them in spite of their liminations and the trouble they cause.

Seriously, folks, don't make me fight alone. Democrats must recruit America's best thinkers and prepare a plan for governing and a vision for the 21st century.
America prospered as no other nation under Democratic leadership 50 years ago when it brought us out of another Republican despression into America's Golden Age. I was there and saw it. Today's voters have been so pampered and petted as a result of those Democratic policies they just can't understand the danger we are in.

In today's Republican world, debts never come due. It is moral to kill 50,000 innocent women and children in Irag. The only sin worth noticing is homosexuality and corrupt international corporations are Supermen coming to save us and give us good jobs.

As a native Missourian, I've noticed when bull-headed Missouri hill-billies start hurting enough they are much easier to reason with. Democrats must be ready when that time comes---if we still care...

STFU, AMerica had a chance to get democrats in office and said no thanks, now move along. go be smarter then everyone else by yourself

First of all, the so-called "Golden Age" Democrats of fifty years ago vanished with Harry Truman.

Bad News: The Democarats DID try to recruit the best thinkers and came up with Kerry-Edwards (whoops!)

Yes, and Bush is the smartest man alive.

Not by a long shot. Are you imagining I said that or are you starting a new thread?

Das munchkin brayne ist shytka. Hiel bush! (clicking heals together).

Yep, we're defineltely better off, safer, making more money, paying less taxes, our sons and daughters aren't dieing oversees, we all have healthcare, the social security system is working, our schools aren't leaving anyone behind, terrorism has become almost non-existant, and all Americans are being treated equally, even those god hating, child raping fagot sweety boys and those satin lovin atheists!

All Hiel bush! And praise the Lord.

Echo, do you have AIM or any instant messenger?

No but you can PM me.

I was being sarcastic. I hope youy realize that. I did not mean to offend you in any way.

No! I love your posts. I just wanted to talk with you!

America not worth fighting for? I believe it is, it's the best hope for Democracy in the World. Also, I've come to identify the Left's use of words like dunces, half wits and idiots (words often used to describe those who voted for Bush) to mean the same as "partisan" which basically means the Democrats aren't getting their way, in the voting booths or in Congress.

About the so-called "policies" that have taken care of "the poor." Do you mean things like Great Society? Which was supposed to end poverty, but made it worse. How about welfare?

The best and brightest of the Democrats. Jimmy Carter was considered an intellectual by those on the Left. Unfortunately, the misery index had to be invented to describe just how bad Carter screwed up the Country. Never mind the Iranian Hostage Crisis. LBJ didn't even bother trying for a second term after the dog's dinner he made of Vietnam. Clinton did nothing on terrorism and then went ahead and gave NUCLEAR material to North Korea on the promise they wouldn't go and make weapons out of it. Then there was this thing with China and ALL our Nuclear weapon secrets disapearing out of Los Alamos. I'm not sure America can survive too many "brilliant" Democrats. Geez.

Then there is the debt thing. Democrats had 30 years of control of Congress, America had 30 years of debt. I still remember Time Magazine's deficity projections during the pre-94 Clinton years, it ain't nothing compared to what we have today. Should've kept that issue. Nowadays, while some fault DOES lie with the Bush Administration, America IS at war with terrorism, and the economy did sour for a while. It does have the makings of debt.

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
Clinton did nothing on terrorism
Stop spewing your lies. You talk about the Democrat control of congress? Well, if I don’t remember correctly, the Republicans controlled Congress during the Clinton Administration. They were the ones that vetoed any and everything Clinton tried to do against terrorism. Blame your party, not ours.

As for your Presidents. Who was it that let aids spread all across America, doing nothing to prevent it? Reagan. Who was it that gave us a huge deficit? Reagan. Who was it that lied us into Iran-Contra? Reagan. Who was it that let people on the streets starve? Regan. Who was it that funded over 300,000 deaths in South America? Reagan. And he was considered one of the “best” by the Right. Good job guys!


Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
Nowadays, while some fault DOES lie with the Bush Administration, America IS at war with terrorism, and the economy did sour for a while. It does have the makings of debt.
Clinton gave us a surplus, Darth. Bush has turned it into a huge deficit, and is doing nothing to stop the growing debt. Clinton did focus correctly on terrorism, the best he could. Bush ignored warnings and cut terrorism funding. A huge reasonability lies on the Bush Administration.

Iraq has slim ties to terrorism. We are not correctly focusing on terrorism, actually.

'atta way to go, Overdose.. Give "Darth" the spanking he needs.

Just as I mentioned in my original post. they(Republicans) wouldn't know "a good thing" if it bit them. You know, they live in a world that is so dark, the sun is a day late before it shines on them..

I loved your post and agree with it almost entirely, except where you get to the part that says--


Originally posted by Skeeter
I've noticed when bull-headed Missouri hill-billies start hurting enough they are much easier to reason with.

I have never seen it fail that the more suffering that the *hill-billies*, racists, rednecks, lovers-of-war, Bible-believers, anti-environmentalists and other groups staunchly supporting the Republicans experience, the more that they will blame it on evil "liberals" [IOW, the people NOT in charge] and the more they will praise and defend the very leaders implimenting the actions that are CAUSING the misery; the Neo-Conservative faction.

Every time I read a thread like this I really can't stop laughing. It is so damn sad how you guys are crying over your pitiful loss.

I can't speak for all Republicans, or other Bush supporters, but I for one was mentally prepaired to back Kerry if he'd won. Why you ask? Because I think it's important to back your president no matter what side of the isle your on during difficult times.

Can you lefties do that? FUCK NO! Your too busy whining about how your pussies hurt.

The dems didn't win because they aligned themselves with the wrong people, and in doing so they got out of touch with the majority of Americans.

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Would this be similair to the way Republicans backed President Clinton? When he retaliated, and retaliated way to weakly in my opinion, against OBL after the attack on a U.S. Navy vessel; every right wing talk radio host was yelling "Wag the Dog". If he had actually gone after Afghanistan, they'd probably have called for a revolution.

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
America not worth fighting for? I believe it is, it's the best hope for Democracy in the World.

Oh.

Yeah.

Right.

democracy; n. (1)The ideal form of a political system.

(2) ñ; now used interchangeably with the economic system called "capitalism"

(3) ñ; in which a handful of wealthy people with occasional minor policy differences take turns enriching their wealthy Corporate benefactors and being elected by a citizenry that is allowed no other choices. -- E.g.: "We intend to turn Iraq into a democracy, just like the United States."

Originally posted by Imagineer
Would this be similair to the way Republicans backed President Clinton? When he retaliated, and retaliated way to weakly in my opinion, against OBL after the attack on a U.S. Navy vessel; every right wing talk radio host was yelling "Wag the Dog". If he had actually gone after Afghanistan, they'd probably have called for a revolution.

Actually, the Wag-the-Dog aspirin factory attack was in August of 1998. The Cole was in 2000. He literally did nothing about the Cole (See below)

"Clinton ordered the attack the night before his grand-jury testimony, and the NEXT DAY, the morning of his testimony, Dick Gephart was on national TV saying (as part of a planned political strategy) that the testimony should be cancelled due to the 'foreign events' now occurring. So the DEMS, not the repubs, tried to immediately seek political gain for Clinton.

Remember too that it soon emerged that Clinton never notified the joint-chiefs-of-staffof the attack(!), which adds to the surmise that the White House staff planned the attack, not the military. This explains EXACTLY why the targeting was such a tactical fiasco, and the mistargeting (both in Sudan and Afghanistan) had the effect of strengthening Al Queda.

We should ask: was Clarke "in the loop" for this obvious and obscene mis-use of US military force?

And so my point: why is this colossal travesty from the Clinton administration not properly retold in the critiques of Clarke's attempt to re-write the history of his (and the Clinton's) anti-terrorism "efforts"?"


EDIT: After posting this clip, I noticed it was from the Free Republic website. The conclusions are opinionated, but the timeline is accurate.

Originally posted by Echo2
Das munchkin brayne ist shytka. Hiel bush! (clicking heals together).

look, I am not the greatest speller or typist on the board, as everyone well knows, but I have to say something. If you are going to continue with your idiotic hitler/Bush comparisons at least spell heels right

Originally posted by Kim Jong IL
Oh.

Yeah.

Light.

democlacy; n. (1)The idear form of a poritical system.

(2) ñ; now used interchangeabry with the ecronomic system called "capitarism"

(3) ñ; in which a handfurl of wealthry people with occasional minor polricy differences take turns enriching their wealthry Corporlate benefactors and being elrected by a citizenry that is arrowed no other choices. -- E.g.: "We intend to turn Iraq into a democlacy, just like the Unitred States."
Jesus man, just what in the Hell are wasting your time for? Feel free to go anywhere else you want, and given the nature of your abject hatred, I have to ask: why are you still here? During your "balanced" rants, your arguments remind me of a gyroscope - always spinning around at a frantic pace, but never really going anywhere. I swear to God, the most significant accomplishment in your life is the successful dodging of a coat hanger for the first 9-months of it.

This country is a wonderful country, but like anywhere else, it's not without its problems. Now you have a choice: become part of the problem, or part of the solution. You seem to prefer the prior, and I don't understand why. You have to realize that we aren't going to change the way we do business to appease you, and if you can't offer up anything more than ridicule, then be prepared to catch some flak. In a sense, I understand where you're coming from, and while dissenting views should always be welcome in a free country, you don't dissent; you bash, and that's the problem I have with you. Most liberals on this forum love their country, and their input is always welcome because of it. We don't have to see eye-to-eye, but blatant America bashing accomplishes nothing, and only serves to make you look like a hypocritical dickhole. It all comes down to a simple question: why stay here if you hate it so much???

Originally posted by Imagineer
Would this be similair to the way Republicans backed President Clinton? When he retaliated, and retaliated way to weakly in my opinion, against OBL after the attack on a U.S. Navy vessel; every right wing talk radio host was yelling "Wag the Dog". If he had actually gone after Afghanistan, they'd probably have called for a revolution.

We weren't in difficult times then either. Also the right may not have been so quick to say 'wag the dog' if Clinton didn't disgrace the Whitehouse by cheating on his wife in the firstplace. (But that is a different thread)

Originally posted by Freethinker
Oh.

Yeah.

Right.

democracy; n. (1)The ideal form of a political system.

(2) ñ; now used interchangeably with the economic system called "capitalism"

(3) ñ; in which a handful of wealthy people with occasional minor policy differences take turns enriching their wealthy Corporate benefactors and being elected by a citizenry that is allowed no other choices. -- E.g.: "We intend to turn Iraq into a democracy, just like the United States."

If its one thing Democrats can't stand, its democracy...

Or even how to define it properly.
Democracy: (n.)

1. Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.
2. A political or social unit that has such a government.
3. The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.
4. Majority rule.
5. The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community.

Originally posted by Skeeter
As a native Missourian, I've noticed when bull-headed Missouri hill-billies start hurting enough they are much easier to reason with. Democrats must be ready when that time comes---if we still care...

I see that it still hasn't occurred to Democrats that the reason they can't win the majority of the vote is because they keep insulting the electorate . . .

I think its a case of the pot calling the kettle black. the bull headed liberals who run the DNC cant see their own arrogance and continue to insult the electorate by calling them bull headed and ignorant, I guess figuring that the electorate is so bull headed and so ignorant that they dont even know when they are being insulted, so its OK for them to continue doing it, so the DNC and cronies, not knowing that they are wrong, continue to do it all the while hurting their efforts, which in turn makes them the bull headed ones.

http://onfinite.com/libraries/165696/4f7.jpg

Are they insulting me?