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bush let his personal beliefs and his "morals" decide when he banned federally funded stem cell research. i have a 9-year-old son with Autism. if there is any chance that such research could give him back his life, then who is bush to say no? he doesn't understand (or doesn't care) the possibilities that lie in further research. my son doesn't speak; he'll be dependent on me for the rest of his life. we cannot find a cure if we cannot find a cause. if it were bush's son, i bet he'd feel differently. [

Originally posted by jennygadling
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bush let his personal beliefs and his "morals" decide when he banned federally funded stem cell research. i have a 9-year-old son with Autism. if there is any chance that such research could give him back his life, then who is bush to say no? he doesn't understand (or doesn't care) the possibilities that lie in further research. my son doesn't speak; he'll be dependent on me for the rest of his life. we cannot find a cure if we cannot find a cause. if it were bush's son, i bet he'd feel differently. [ when did he ban federally funded stem cell research?

he didnt, he is the first president to ever fund it. it shouldnt matter though, we here in california are going to fund all the stem cell research the world will ever need to the tune of 6 billion dollars plus from our pockets.

That's the problem when you leave the future of the world up to just one man.

do you mean christoppher reeves, John edwards or Arnold Swartzenegger?

Originally posted by Travh20
he didnt, he is the first president to ever fund it. it shouldnt matter though, we here in california are going to fund all the stem cell research the world will ever need to the tune of 6 billion dollars plus from our pockets. Yeah, I knew that. I was just waiting for jenny to reply so that i could kindly ask her to at least know what she is talking about before starting ANOTHER Bush bashing thread.

Originally posted by HaVoK
when did he ban federally funded stem cell research?

he's banned any further testing. he's ok with using some of the lines that are currently being used- did you know they're contaminated?, he's only banned any further testing on new lines.

Originally posted by jennygadling
he's banned any further testing. he's ok with using some of the lines that are currently being used- did you know they're contaminated?, he's only banned any further testing on new lines. So which is it? Did he ban stem cell research, like you claim? Or did he actually allocate federal funding for this research?

Originally posted by HaVoK
Yeah, I knew that. I was just waiting for jenny to reply so that i could kindly ask her to at least know what she is talking about before starting ANOTHER Bush bashing thread.
which, by the way, i've written to our governor in louisiana asking her to follow your example.
i've done alot of research on this. i have a transcript of the debate where he made his position clear. california is getting the research because of state funding, not federal, my friend. which is what many of us here are urging our governor to do. so, before you think i'm a "bush-basher", make sure you get what i'm saying!!

Originally posted by HaVoK
So which is it? Did he ban stem cell research, like you claim? Or did he actually allocate federal funding for this research?
i'll speak a little slower. he is ok with using the contaminated samples that are available now, but he has banned FEDERALLY FUNDING of any new research. i didn't say he took away a state's power.

Originally posted by jennygadling
i'll speak a little slower. he is ok with using the contaminated samples that are available now, but he has banned FEDERALLY FUNDING of any new research. i didn't say he took away a state's power. Maybe you should say what you mean on your first post. There is limited fed funding of stem cell research. What you want is federal funding of new research. Almost like asking for a blank check.

Not being arguementative, but is there a guarantee that stem cell research will be able to help people such as your son? Or a very good medical guess at least that this will work, since I know nothing in life is guaranteed.

contaminated? how so? do you know how stem cells even work?

jennygadling asks:
"who the hell does bush think he is???"


For one, he knows he's President of the United States, and leader of the free world.

Originally posted by Travh20
do you mean christoppher reeves, John edwards or Arnold Swartzenegger?
Yes.

I seriously doubt that the rest of the world sees bush as their leader -- or any other kind of leader.

Dop

ya dop we know, 80% of the rest of the world would have voted for Kerry, so fu*king what?

Originally posted by jennygadling
which, by the way, i've written to our governor in louisiana asking her to follow your example.
i've done alot of research on this. i have a transcript of the debate where he made his position clear. california is getting the research because of state funding, not federal, my friend. which is what many of us here are urging our governor to do. so, before you think i'm a "bush-basher", make sure you get what i'm saying!!

Why must it be FEDERALLY funded in the first place? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for stem-cell research, but I don't think that the taxpayers who don't agree with stem-cell research on a moral level should be forced to pay for it.

Seriously, there are private groups that are doing the stem-cell research. You don't have to hate Bush because he doesn't want to pick up the tab.

Here's an article from USA Today about PRIVATELY funded stem-cell research:
Private stem cell research widens

By Dan Vergano, USA TODAY
The creation of the Harvard Stem Cell Institute, which was announced Friday, represents the latest privately financed entry into a controversial research arena.

The institute will coordinate the work of nearly 100 researchers seeking cures for such ailments as diabetes, leukemia, muscular dystrophy, Parkinson's and heart disease. Stem cells are master cells that become other kinds of tissue.

This brings to nine the number of private stem cell research centers across the country.

Researchers have been calling for the creation of more human embryonic stem cell lines since federal spending was restricted in 2001. Since then, federal money has gone toward an approved list of existing lines, now totaling 18.

The research is controversial because embryos must be destroyed to harvest the cells.

Harvard already is on the front line of stem cell research. In March, Doug Melton, co-director of the new institute, unveiled 17 new stem cell lines available at no cost. USA TODAY research has found that requests for these cells rival or exceed samples sent from National Institutes of Health-approved lines.

Source (www.usatoday.com/news/health/2004-04-25-stemcell-usat_x.htm)


You see, there are 9 private firms conducting this research. Why should the government get involved?

who the hell does bush think he is???

He thinks he is a prophet and god speaks to him. He has said as much in a number of interviews.

The reason no president has funded stem cell reserch in the past is because it wasn't even discovered untill the late 90"s. In 1997 and 1998 scientists determined that it had many posibilites of curing a number of diseases. At which time they asked for federal funding. Clinton could not get the funding in to pass through a congress that was stacked with republicans. When bush came into office he banned all stem cell research from using new stem cells. That left scientists with about a dozen cell lines that were contaminated with mouse DNA. To keep from looking like the uncaring, self serving jerk he is, he has allowed the contaminated strains to be funded and then announced that he is "The first president ever to fund stem cell research".

Don't ya just love they way these guys operate.

Corporate America has very deep pockets. With the current administration, stem cell funding is not going to happen, not to any great extent, so let the ones who will profit the most spend the money on R & D.

thats what I have been saying. if stem cell research was so pomising the big pharmasutical companies would be all over it. they dont seem to want to waste any of their capital on it, which means its not even close to what john edwards and the other stem cell holy rollers claim it is

Good Rush Limbaugh talking points but the truth will come out when Europe is curing diseases and we aren't.

Dop

wait a minute, I thought we here in california would be curing all the diseases? we are the idiots who voted a blank check to "researchers" for 6 billion dollars to find cures in the stem cells. I think we got ripped off.

Originally posted by Echo2
who the hell does bush think he is???

He thinks he is a prophet and god speaks to him. He has said as much in a number of interviews.

The reason no president has funded stem cell reserch in the past is because it wasn't even discovered untill the late 90"s. In 1997 and 1998 scientists determined that it had many posibilites of curing a number of diseases. At which time they asked for federal funding. Clinton could not get the funding in to pass through a congress that was stacked with republicans. When bush came into office he banned all stem cell research from using new stem cells. That left scientists with about a dozen cell lines that were contaminated with mouse DNA. To keep from looking like the uncaring, self serving jerk he is, he has allowed the contaminated strains to be funded and then announced that he is "The first president ever to fund stem cell research".

Don't ya just love they way these guys operate.

thank you for trying to explain a litlle more clearly.
and yes, there are some private groups funding some research, but the amount that could be done with federal funding is astronomical. by the way, many taxpayers do not agree with the "war" their funding, but that doesn't stop bush from invading a country with federal taxes.

Originally posted by es347fan
jennygadling asks:
"who the hell does bush think he is???"


For one, he knows he's President of the United States, and leader of the free world.

more like a spokesperson of a republic, actually.

Originally posted by Travh20
wait a minute, I thought we here in california would be curing all the diseases? we are the idiots who voted a blank check to "researchers" for 6 billion dollars to find cures in the stem cells. I think we got ripped off.
my son doesn't think of you as an idiot; you may be his saving grace.

Originally posted by Travh20
thats what I have been saying. if stem cell research was so pomising the big pharmasutical companies would be all over it. they dont seem to want to waste any of their capital on it, which means its not even close to what john edwards and the other stem cell holy rollers claim it is

do you realize how ridiculous that statement is? the money is not in a cure; it's in the medicine. pharmaceutical companies would go broke if "cures" were found rather than producing medicines that people will depend on, many for the rest of their lives.

Originally posted by HaVoK
Not being arguementative, but is there a guarantee that stem cell research will be able to help people such as your son? Or a very good medical guess at least that this will work, since I know nothing in life is guaranteed.

Autism was added to the list of curable diseases through embryonic stem cell transplantation in 2002. there are no guarantees, which is why we need the research. but if there is the smallest chance- if it were your child- wouldn't you think ANY chance is worth persuing??

Originally posted by Travh20
contaminated? how so? do you know how stem cells even work?

the lines were contaminated because some of the material actually came from lab rats. we don't know if it'll work for sure; we didn't know the polio vaccine would work at first, either.

The reason that private companies won't fund stem cell research is because it's not certain if they'll make a profit. It's unexplored territory and there is no guarantee of results. But if there is the possibility that stem cell research could lead to cures for diseases then it's certainly worth investing in. And if private companies won't do it then that money needs to come from the government.
It's similar to the space program. There was no guarantee that sending a man to the moon, or a rover to Mars, or a telescope towards Neptune would benefit us. But people saw the possibilites that could come out of such projects and were willing to give them the money they needed, even if private companies weren't. The logic that says the government shouldn't fund stem cell research is the logic that says the government should stop funding NASA.

The reason that private companies won't fund stem cell research is because it's not certain if they'll make a profit.

You obviously didn't read the story above. There are 9 Private groups conducting Stem-cell research right now!

Originally posted by SecretAgentMan
You obviously didn't read the story above. There are 9 Private groups conducting Stem-cell research right now!

which is why i said what i said. they're worried about losing the $$$ that comes from the sick being dependent on their medications.

Originally posted by Jester
The reason that private companies won't fund stem cell research is because it's not certain if they'll make a profit. It's unexplored territory and there is no guarantee of results. But if there is the possibility that stem cell research could lead to cures for diseases then it's certainly worth investing in. And if private companies won't do it then that money needs to come from the government.
It's similar to the space program. There was no guarantee that sending a man to the moon, or a rover to Mars, or a telescope towards Neptune would benefit us. But people saw the possibilites that could come out of such projects and were willing to give them the money they needed, even if private companies weren't. The logic that says the government shouldn't fund stem cell research is the logic that says the government should stop funding NASA.

thanks, jester. you understand the logic, and it's good to know others feel like i do.

Originally posted by jennygadling
which is why i said what i said. they're worried about losing the $$$ that comes from the sick being dependent on their medications.

Ummm, right.... So the government should pay for that?

Originally posted by jennygadling
Autism was added to the list of curable diseases through embryonic stem cell transplantation in 2002. there are no guarantees, which is why we need the research. but if there is the smallest chance- if it were your child- wouldn't you think ANY chance is worth persuing?? I wish your son a quick cure to his autism and hope he has a long healthy life. That said, dont you think its a little selfish, at the least, to belligerently question the motives of the president on this issue when this is a gamble no matter how you look at it? I mean, you are asking for other people's tax dollars to fund this. If there were some proof that this would work for your son and others suffering from diseases like this, I would say, "Sure, write the check. This has to be done." But asking for untold billions of dollars to fund research into something that may never prove beneficial seems to be asking too much to me.

Originally posted by HaVoK
I wish your son a quick cure to his autism and hope he has a long healthy life. That said, dont you think its a little selfish, at the least, to belligerently question the motives of the president on this issue when this is a gamble no matter how you look at it?

You guys say the same type thing about all of the shrubs decisions.

whinning "it's unamerican to question the president".

Ths was a bad decision. To ostand in the way of scientific research because of personal religious beliefs is wrong. Christianity used to do that back in the middle ages. Anything that was counter to their beliefs was considered evil and stopped.

Thank goodness we grew out of that or we would all still be thinking the world is flat and rotates around the sun. There would be no medicines and children born with deformities would be considered "occupied by the devil" and left to die or outright killed.

Originally posted by Echo2
You guys say the same type thing about all of the shrubs decisions.

whinning "it's unamerican to question the president".

Ths was a bad decision. To ostand in the way of scientific research because of personal religious beliefs is wrong. Christianity used to do that back in the middle ages. Anything that was counter to their beliefs was considered evil and stopped.

Thank goodness we grew out of that or we would all still be thinking the world is flat and rotates around the sun. There would be no medicines and children born with deformities would be considered "occupied by the devil" and left to die or outright killed.

The people who don't want it done AT ALL are against the whole abortion issue, and how it's basically murdering a baby (But that is a different discussion altogether), not because scientific research is evil.

What many of us saying is that we agree stem-cell research sounds good, and should be researched. All we're saying is the government shouldn't pay for it.

There are many non-profits out there that run on donations only, and don't receive anything from the government. Why can't stem-cell research be funded that way?

I believe it is funded in that way. However it is illegal to use stem cells that were not in existance prior to the shrubs making it illegal to use new stem cell lines. So they are stuck using the very few contaminated lines that are left.

Other countries are researching this and they will be the ones to profit when they make the breakthroughs to cure some diseases. You can bet that they will make it VERY expensive for Americans to use anything they discover.

It would be appropriate if the shrubs children come down with a a disease that ruins their life and that bastard later learns that if he had allowed this reserch they could have been cured.

Originally posted by Echo2
I believe it is funded in that way. However it is illegal to use stem cells that were not in existance prior to the shrubs making it illegal to use new stem cell lines. So they are stuck using the very few contaminated lines that are left.

Other countries are researching this and they will be the ones to profit when they make the breakthroughs to cure some diseases. You can bet that they will make it VERY expensive for Americans to use anything they discover.

It would be appropriate if the shrubs children come down with a a disease that ruins their life and that bastard later learns that if he had allowed this reserch they could have been cured.

Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda....

Exactly! It's all a gamble anyway, which is one of many reasons the Government shouldn't have to pay for the research!

Originally posted by Echo2
You guys say the same type thing about all of the shrubs decisions.

whinning "it's unamerican to question the president".

Ths was a bad decision. To ostand in the way of scientific research because of personal religious beliefs is wrong. Christianity used to do that back in the middle ages. Anything that was counter to their beliefs was considered evil and stopped.

Thank goodness we grew out of that or we would all still be thinking the world is flat and rotates around the sun. There would be no medicines and children born with deformities would be considered "occupied by the devil" and left to die or outright killed. (1)I would have the same arguement no matter who was President. I think it's a gamble. If it was a sure thing, private companies would be rushing to do the damn research.

(2)You think it's a bad decision, I dont. It's called opinions and we are allowed to have differences between them.

(3)Im glad you're so ready to just write a blank check to fund this research, but keep in mind the reason why it's called research. Because we dont have a full understanding of it, and we may never gain that knowledge even with unlimited funding.

(4)I never said her questioning the president was unamerican. You just added that in like every other typical dumb ass post you make.

(5) Yes, we no longer live in the middle ages. So hows about you stop dwelling there?

One of the main arguments seems to be the republicans are against the government funding stem cell.

Shucks, golly, gee dudes and dudettes, i don't recall the government asking my advice when they decided to fund health care for illegals or sending a few billion to Israel anytime they felt.

So let's create a society where my taxes are directed by me and your taxes are directed by you. Howz dat?

Dop

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
One of the main arguments seems to be the republicans are against the government funding stem cell.

Shucks, golly, gee dudes and dudettes, i don't recall the government asking my advice when they decided to fund health care for illegals or sending a few billion to Israel anytime they felt.

So let's create a society where my taxes are directed by me and your taxes are directed by you. Howz dat?

Dop Im against health care for illegals, and against sending money or military aid of any kind to Israel. So what was your point? Do you believe a Democrat would have stopped either of the actions you mentioned above?

The point is ... as taxpayers (one word or two?) don't get a choice how the contributions are spread around and they should not be doled out based on ideology or agenda.

If we can finance the safey of the red tail squirrel while they build the next telescope on Mt. Graham, then we can spend a few bucks on stem cell.

If it doesn't pan out over a reasonable amount of time -- then can it and move on.

Dop

Originally posted by HaVoK
I wish your son a quick cure to his autism and hope he has a long healthy life. That said, dont you think its a little selfish, at the least, to belligerently question the motives of the president on this issue when this is a gamble no matter how you look at it? I mean, you are asking for other people's tax dollars to fund this. If there were some proof that this would work for your son and others suffering from diseases like this, I would say, "Sure, write the check. This has to be done." But asking for untold billions of dollars to fund research into something that may never prove beneficial seems to be asking too much to me.

well, president bush had no problem asking us to fund a war that most thought to be unnecessary. why is that ok? tax dollars are spent friviously on many things; why not put the money to good use??

Originally posted by Echo2
You guys say the same type thing about all of the shrubs decisions.

whinning "it's unamerican to question the president".

Ths was a bad decision. To ostand in the way of scientific research because of personal religious beliefs is wrong. Christianity used to do that back in the middle ages. Anything that was counter to their beliefs was considered evil and stopped.

Thank goodness we grew out of that or we would all still be thinking the world is flat and rotates around the sun. There would be no medicines and children born with deformities would be considered "occupied by the devil" and left to die or outright killed.

thanks, echo!!

Originally posted by Echo2
I believe it is funded in that way. However it is illegal to use stem cells that were not in existance prior to the shrubs making it illegal to use new stem cell lines. So they are stuck using the very few contaminated lines that are left.

Other countries are researching this and they will be the ones to profit when they make the breakthroughs to cure some diseases. You can bet that they will make it VERY expensive for Americans to use anything they discover.

It would be appropriate if the shrubs children come down with a a disease that ruins their life and that bastard later learns that if he had allowed this reserch they could have been cured.

though it would change their opinions very quickly, i wouldn't wish that pain on even the biggest of those asses.

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
The point is ... as taxpayers (one word or two?) don't get a choice how the contributions are spread around and they should not be doled out based on ideology or agenda.

If we can finance the safey of the red tail squirrel while they build the next telescope on Mt. Graham, then we can spend a few bucks on stem cell.

If it doesn't pan out over a reasonable amount of time -- then can it and move on.

Dop

exactly. we can spend billions to save whales and dolphins and to build moose sanctuaries, but we can't spend it on something that may turn out to save millions of lives.

Originally posted by jennygadling
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bush let his personal beliefs and his "morals" decide when he banned federally funded stem cell research. i have a 9-year-old son with Autism. if there is any chance that such research could give him back his life, then who is bush to say no? he doesn't understand (or doesn't care) the possibilities that lie in further research. my son doesn't speak; he'll be dependent on me for the rest of his life. we cannot find a cure if we cannot find a cause. if it were bush's son, i bet he'd feel differently. [

Hitler made great advances in science. Testing the limits of the human body, temperature resistance, cold weather survival, pain tolerances, anatomy, etc. He also killed a lot of Jews in the process.

California just voted to fund stem cell research as a state. Also, private companies can fund this all they want. Bush hasn't said "no" to anyone.

Originally posted by Echo2
I believe it is funded in that way. However it is illegal to use stem cells that were not in existance prior to the shrubs making it illegal to use new stem cell lines. So they are stuck using the very few contaminated lines that are left.

Other countries are researching this and they will be the ones to profit when they make the breakthroughs to cure some diseases. You can bet that they will make it VERY expensive for Americans to use anything they discover.

It would be appropriate if the shrubs children come down with a a disease that ruins their life and that bastard later learns that if he had allowed this reserch they could have been cured.

this is a new low, even for you echo. wishing debilitating diseases on the children of the president? sad. but Bush Limbaugh called chelsea a dog! STFU

and who are yu to denounce the likes of American corperations like halliburtn when you have just said you are willing to raise embryos soley for destroying them and harvesting their stem cells all in the name of profit? since when is profit OK? this is just you being hysterical and dumb again over ANYTHING bush says or does. you are such a hypocrit and two face it makes me sick. "lets do stem cel research for profit and bragging rights!" that what you said just now. if europe does it and cures all the diseases you wont be happy. you want the glory. your a POS

Absolutely correct echo -- the europeans are full steam ahead on stem cells while we just sit here and watch people die.

It really doesn't surprise me though. I'm beginning to believe that we simply don't have the talent to compete in the sciences anymore.

As of late, nearly every civilized country in the world is out-performing the US in science, medicine, military and computer science.... there has to be a reason we lost our competitive edge.

My opinion is that our middle schools, high school, colleges and universities are taking a hard right turn to line up with the white evangelicals which results in those institutions dropping the teaching of any science that would lead to or draw a premise for evolution.

Of course, the rest of the world loves the fact that the US is dumbing down. They will laugh all the way to the bank when they sell us the drugs gleened from the stem cell research.

Dop

fucking move to europe then, damn. shit or get off the pot man.

My opinion is that our middle schools, high school, colleges and universities are taking a hard right turn to line up with the white evangelicals which results in those institutions dropping the teaching of any science that would lead to or draw a premise for evolution.


Do what? Evolution was the ONLY theory of origins that was ever taught to me in public schools.

Trav you are the biggest reactionary on this forum.

I know when my posts hit home just by your response.

Your level of hatred for liberals is only surpassed by the right wing talk hosts.

Dop

Things are changing dave. Several states will no longer be teaching evolution. IIRC, just last week, Wisconsin signed on to the creationism band wagon.

Dop

Originally posted by TheGreat Gatsby
Hitler made great advances in science. Testing the limits of the human body, temperature resistance, cold weather survival, pain tolerances, anatomy, etc. He also killed a lot of Jews in the process.

California just voted to fund stem cell research as a state. Also, private companies can fund this all they want. Bush hasn't said "no" to anyone.

which is why i've contacted our governor.
but back to bush...
his decision to invade iraq has cost thousands of lives in the process of creating a "safe" world. our tax dollars are paying for it, not him or any "private" funding. why is that ok, but it's asking too much for some of that money to save people??

look guys, i didn't mean to cause a rift between all of you. i just feel very strongly about this, and i think many others would reconsider their own opinions if they fully understood. that's all.

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
Absolutely correct echo -- the europeans are full steam ahead on stem cells while we just sit here and watch people die.
Dop

Not so true. here too this kind of research is very controversial. I strongly believe that scientific research dos not justify everything, and stem cells research raises real moral issues. Just like genetically modified organisms (not the same issues though).

Originally posted by astrapol2
Not so true. here too this kind of research is very controversial. I strongly believe that scientific research dos not justify everything, and stem cells research raises real moral issues. Just like genetically modified organisms (not the same issues though).

but since when did something being controversial stand in the way of progress. if opposers would read into it, there are actually some ways to acquire stem cells without creating embryos solely for that purpose. even still, embryos are developed in mass quantities to help people get pregnant (which there is no guarantee of happening, by the way); all the left-overs are simply washed down the drain. there are some who have actually volunteered to serve as sources for samples, but this type of research is very costly; why is funding from the government to aid in this research too much to ask? we rush off to foreign lands and spend billions helping those who cannot help themselves; why can't we do the same for those here at home??

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
Trav you are the biggest reactionary on this forum.

I know when my posts hit home just by your response.

Your level of hatred for liberals is only surpassed by the right wing talk hosts.

Dop

you are the biggest shit talker. all talk, no action. if you really believe the crap you spout of about why don't you do something about it other then flap your gums? If you really believe American troops are over there massacring Iraqi women and children in a planed genocide why don't you pack your shit, get your gun and go over and join the resistance? or better yet start the fight right here in the USA? if you wont do it why not? do you not care aobut the iraqis as much as you claim to? are yo u not as upset about it as you claim to be? shit or get off the pot dop, shit or get off the pot.

So according to astra, stem cell research will not be done in europe as it offends too many people.

Sorry for putting words in your mouth astra, but you you didn't commit to whether the europeans would or would not be doing stem cells and you can't have it both ways ... either they are not going to do the research based on morality and controversy (as you pointed out) or they are going to do the research like I mentioned. I don't think there is any in between on this one.

Dop

there iw an in between, its what bush is doing.

Still not following the half-way argument.

Either we are or we are not going to fund stem cell research.

Yes or no
ja oder nein
si o no

Which is it -- in simple terms with the bush spin cycle removed.

Dop

Jenny, My son also has autism. He's 13 and may never speak or be independent with his personal needs. I know you know the whole story.

I really wanted to believe in Vitamin B megadoses, but it didn't pan out. I wanted Dr. Horvath's research into Secretin to have promise, but it didn't. I wanted gluten-free, wheat-free and dairy-free diets to be the answer, but they aren't.

I belong to the ASA, NAAR, ASAT etc. and while they all support research, they warn against false hope. Combine false hope with political agendas, and you can fall right into others' hands and become bitter, disappointed and exploited.

The reason Ron Reagan Jr. got to speak about stem cells at the Democrat convention was because of his connection to Alzheimer's. He admitted in an interview that stem cell research won't help Alzheimer's.

I hope your son will speak someday and have a friend. I hope you can go to restaurants and not feel self conscious. I hope you can take him to the mall one day with the confidence that he can use the bathroom by himself. I'm so sorry, you and he deserve better.

Originally posted by Brooks
Jenny, My son also has autism. He's 13 and may never speak or be independent with his personal needs. I know you know the whole story.

I really wanted to believe in Vitamin B megadoses, but it didn't pan out. I wanted Dr. Horvath's research into Secretin to have promise, but it didn't. I wanted gluten-free, wheat-free and dairy-free diets to be the answer, but they aren't.

I belong to the ASA, NAAR, ASAT etc. and while they all support research, they warn against false hope. Combine false hope with political agendas, and you can fall right into others' hands and become bitter, disappointed and exploited.

The reason Ron Reagan Jr. got to speak about stem cells at the Democrat convention was because of his connection to Alzheimer's. He admitted in an interview that stem cell research won't help Alzheimer's.

I hope your son will speak someday and have a friend. I hope you can go to restaurants and not feel self conscious. I hope you can take him to the mall one day with the confidence that he can use the bathroom by himself. I'm so sorry, you and he deserve better.

thank you, and my heart goes out to you and your son as well.
no, i'm not delusioned about this. i've gone through all those things as well, and was greatly disappointed each time. with this, i know it's a long shot; but it's worth it, no matter how small the chance.

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
Still not following the half-way argument.

Either we are or we are not going to fund stem cell research.

Yes or no
ja oder nein
si o no

Which is it -- in simple terms with the bush spin cycle removed.

Dop

bush is funding it. I dont like it either.

Originally posted by Brooks
I'm so sorry, you and he deserve better.

Yet, thanks to the enormous political power wielded by the Jeezus-believing Religious Right in this country, he may never GET better....

Might *offend* their invisible, omnipotent, sky-god friend if a few microscopic cells are used in the "wrong" way........doncha know.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Freethinker
Yet, thanks to the enormous political power wielded by the Jeezus-believing Religious Right in this country, he may never GET better....

Might *offend* their invisible, omnipotent, sky-god friend if a few microscopic cells are used in the "wrong" way........doncha know. [/QUOTthank you!!

Originally posted by jennygadling
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Freethinker
Yet, thanks to the enormous political power wielded by the Jeezus-believing Religious Right in this country, he may never GET better....

Might *offend* their invisible, omnipotent, sky-god friend if a few microscopic cells are used in the "wrong" way........doncha know. [/QUOTthank you!!

it's against their beliefs to truly support something like this that may possibly save millions of lives. how can e find a cure if we can't find a cause.

but it's not against their morals to wage war abroad or to attempt to persuade Americans to believe their personal beliefs. i don't think bush fully understands this issue completely; if all he can do is justify his opposition using his stance on abortion, then mr. president has a lot lf reading and researching to do.