Originally posted by philosophytara
Free health care? Well my son gets it... but I have yet to see it and I am considered "poverty level" It's not about the health care and yes I agree with Borg... people should get the same treatment if they are driving stoned, as they would driving drunk, but on a whole Stoners drive slower then other people and are hesitant to change lanes.
It's called "driving more-cautiously (http://my.marijuana.com/Exposing_12_1095.html)"!! :D

Originally posted by DaveTooner
now what do you potheads think about other harder drugs? Cocaine, heroin - legalize? Sell 'em at the corner drug store alongside the cigarretes?
Why not?

Why should the majority be penalized, for the actions of a minority's screw-ups???? :confused:

Ya' know............kinda like the whole GUN trip??????

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
Anyway, the point is that marijuana simply isn't toxic enough to deserve the repuation that weed is the short path to a ruined life. Plus, it does seem to help those who undergo chemo therapy, and other diseases. Marijuana should be legalized.

That's why the corporate-world (and, the DEA's office-of-job-security) would prefer MOST people be kept unaware of how marijuana BECAME illegal!! (http://www.sumeria.net/politics/conrad.html)

Hell.......it ain't about health or morality! It's about COMMERCE (http://www.cannabis.com/untoldstory/pmpage1.shtml).............and, the synthetic-fiber folks, the lumber-industry folks (and, building-material interests, in general)........would PREFER to keep things just the way they ARE (presently)!!!! (http://www.lightparty.com/Light/Hemp5.html)

Bu$ine$$ i$ bu$ine$$.

Originally posted by TheGreat Gatsby
Yeah, socialized medicine is free health care for people who use it more, i.e. smokers, overeaters, drug users, people who are more sexually active and get disease, etc.

In other words, I pay money so your health care is cheaper. You're getting free health care to the extent you require more surgeries, drugs, etc.

I'm forced to subsidize your lifestyle. So yeah, I want a say in what you do with your body.
Hell.........help make preventative-care more-widely available.........and, we wouldn't have all the catastrophic-expenses!!!

A little-less stress would do everyone a lotta good, as well!

Originally posted by es347fan
"now what do you potheads think about other harder drugs? Cocaine, heroin - legalize? Sell 'em at the corner drug store alongside the cigarretes?"

Only in your neighborhood.

Cocaine & heroin are highly addictive narcotics ... not recreational intoxicants, as is alcohol. Placing marijuana in the same category is wrong, plain & simple.
LSD isn't addictive (http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lsd/lsdmenu.htm), either.........and, has (and HAS had) great psychotheraputic-uses!!!!

We could eliminate a LOT of drugs (including marijuana) from the Schedule I classification!!!

Originally posted by CaptainMdarpino
you call that stress releif poluting your body commiting eventual suicide......
Eventual-suicide????????? :confused:

Ohhhhhhhhhhh.......you're talkin' about the ol' Gateway-trip??????????? (http://my.marijuana.com/Exposing_13_1095.html) :rolleyes:

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by DrewM
It's not something that children should be smoking - it could have quite serious impacts on their future. Making it legal will increase the amount of child pot smokers.
Would you have smoked more, if it was legal........or, would you have gotten bored with it (just the same), anyhow? We can't keep things illegal because of what they MIGHT do.

If only I could stop smoking ciggarettes so easy !
Been THERE!!!!!!!!!

I finally took Don Imus's suggestion and gave Nicorette Orange (http://nicorette.quit.com/) a try.........and, DAMNED IF IT DIDN'T WORK!!!!!!!! I haven't had a cigarette since August 20th........and, I LOVED to smoke!!!! At present-day costs, I figured I was spending (about) $220/month on cigs!!!

The gum WILL eliminate your need.........and, you'll also get your nicotine-BOOST!!! :D

Just be sure to follow instructions (like STOP chewing.......and "park it", for a while.......after you've gotten your "charge"), and start-out with the 4mg variety. After one box of that, the 2mg pieces should be enough.

It really does work!!!!!!!!!!

Good luck!!:)
Originally posted by DaveTooner
By the way - ever wonder why they call it "dope" and not "smart?"
Because Americans (being the spawn of Puritans, they are), will believe ANYTHING, if your bullshit sales-pitch (http://www.maxpages.com/hemplife/The_Conspiracy) scares them, sufficiantly enough!!!!!! ;)
Originally posted by HaVoK
Have you ever tried marijuana Dave? Felt its effects?
That's why I always got the biggest kick outta first-timers' first-experience!!!

When they (finally) got off, they usually said, "Shit.......is this all there is, to it???? No hallucinations???"

I've seen a lot of bar-fighters give up their favorite-"sport" (of goin' to a bar, gettin' blasted, and takin' on ANYone who looks at them, cross-eyed), as well!!! I'm sure their liver appreciated it, as well!!

Originally posted by DaveTooner
Oh lord, I knew this one was coming. I've debated this with enough potheads in my life to know this one would pop up pretty soon. Hell no I haven't smoked pot and I never will either. Let me guess: don't knock it until you try it? My opinion doesn't matter because I've never been high? Give me a break. People are flat out DOPES while they are high on pot. I don't have to smoke it to know this.
.....And, no one's saying you have to get high.......just that you allow other people their preferences.

Some Conservatives have no problem with common-courtesy........or, common-sense!! (http://www.nationalreview.com/buckley/buckley061003.asp)

A little education (http://www.marijuana-uses.com/index.html) (like a little marijuana) never killed anyone.
Originally posted by DaveTooner
I knew it. Only potheads and former potheads can have a valid opinion.
No........an informed opinion!!!

Big difference!!
Originally posted by DaveTooner
So you don't think that hard drug addicts are a drain on society?
If they can afford their habit and the quality-control is there, what's the big issue?????????
Originally posted by DaveTooner
Yes, but if you made all drugs legal, these people would no longer be criminals... yet the effect on society would be similar if not exactly the same. Drug addictions lead to serious health problems, they cause you to not be able to function productivly in society. When you can't funtion productivly in society, you don't make money. A hard drug addict without money turns to crime to feed his addiction. I would be willing to bet you that most burglaries in the United States are drug related. Now some will say "if drugs were legal, they would be cheaper and that would eliminate the crime problem." I'm not buying it. Useless drug addicts eventually will not be able to afford even cheap drugs.
"Great" rhetoric ya' got goin', there!! And, as usual........in the case of any conservative.........no facts to support your allegations.

How convenient!!

Oh.........and, everybody knows doesn't count as a fact!!

Originally posted by DrewM
Dave given that your windows are very dirty and in need of a real clean - you should skip pot and move straight to LSD for the best therapetic benefit.
BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LSD......the ol' rhetoric-eraser!!!!!!:D

Shaman...
http://www.hosstyle.com/images/images/Cupofshutthef-upsmall.jpg

Originally posted by philosophytara
Pot is already pretty much decrimilized, I mean my brother got pulled over on his "bike" don't laugh... he was 15. And the cops searched him and found a pipe and some pot. They took the pot, and made him break his pipe and they went there separate ways. My sister smoked Pot throughout her whole pregnancy and tested positive for pot when her baby did not. She had to see a social worker, and they let her go home with her baby.


As for Hard Drug Addicts being a drain on the economy... WEll hell so is WAR, and I believe a hard drug adddicts estimated life span would probably be about as long as the soldiers in Iraq.
Never heard of Bill Burroughs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_S._Burroughs), huh??

Here it is: 14 years. (http://www.fb10.uni-bremen.de/anglistik/kerkhoff/beatgeneration/BurroughsInter.htm)

Originally posted by DaveTooner
:rolleyes: Oh yeah, people are so much smarter when they are high on dope.
How the Hell would you know??

You've never BEEN there!!!!

When we discuss the constipated/conservative thought-process, your opinion will be considered valid!

Originally posted by DaveTooner
Once again, my point of view is marginalized because I've never been "enlightened" by pot. How predictable. :rolleyes:
Whew!!! Predictable, indeed!!!!

I'll second that!!!!!!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Blibblob
http://www.bettybowers.com/bushsalute.gif

Quitting smoking is easy -- I've done it several times.

Dop

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
Quitting smoking is easy -- I've done it several times.

Dop LMAO Dop! :lolhit:

Hey Shaman.... nice to meet you I suppose.... It seems you have a lot of pent up frustration..... perhaps you need a toke.

Originally posted by philosophytara
Hey Shaman.... nice to meet you I suppose.... It seems you have a lot of pent up frustration..... perhaps you need a toke. Nah........no frustration.

This is the first I've been here, for a while, and thought defending the pro-legalization position (in one goddamned thread) would have been permissible.

As usual, I've whacked everyone with too many facts........and, rather than trying to dispute what I've posted, people insist on crying & whining about the fact I offer the stronger-position. It doesn't make any sense, but that's the way people are, around here. They rely (a little-too-much) on what they've heard, or what they believe......rather than what they can prove.

BTW.......I've toked since the Summer of '68. Unlike most people, here, I've (actually) got a valid point-of-reference.

Shaman, this is not facts:
"Whew!!! Predictable, indeed!!!!
I'll second that!!!!!!"

"How the Hell would you know??
You've never BEEN there!!!!
When we discuss the constipated/conservative thought-process, your opinion will be considered valid!"

"BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LSD......the ol' rhetoric-eraser!!!!!!"

""Great" rhetoric ya' got goin', there!! And, as usual........in the case of any conservative.........no facts to support your allegations.
How convenient!!
Oh.........and, everybody knows doesn't count as a fact!!"

"Hell.........help make preventative-care more-widely available.........and, we wouldn't have all the catastrophic-expenses!!!
A little-less stress would do everyone a lotta good, as well!"


Nothing more than useless rambling. Stupidity at it's finest. Your websites are idiotic, your manner of speaking is really annoying, and you do nothing more than detract from the debate at hand. You were cluttering the thread, look, this is already almost a page of only your bullshit. All of your posts were moved so it would actually be possible to have a debate in the other thread.

Originally posted by Mr. Shaman
Why not?

Why should the majority be penalized, for the actions of a minority's screw-ups???? :confused:

Ya' know............kinda like the whole GUN trip??????

Bad analogy. Simply using or owning a gun does not guarantee negative consequences.

Using heavier drugs, cocain, opiates, etc., begins IMMEDIATELY harming the user, therefore driving up my health care costs.

Originally posted by Blibblob
Nothing more than useless rambling. Stupidity at it's finest. Your websites are idiotic, your manner of speaking is really annoying, and you do nothing more than detract from the debate at hand. You were cluttering the thread, look, this is already almost a page of only your bullshit. All of your posts were moved so it would actually be possible to have a debate in the other thread.
You're an incredibly bright kid, Blib. Good post!

I'll tell ya what drives up health care costs Gatsby ... 4000 illegals a day coming over the border.

Dop

Why should the majority be penalized, for the actions of a minority's screw-ups????

So are you against prescriptions too? Should all drugs be OTC?

Originally posted by DaveTooner
So are you against prescriptions too? Should all drugs be OTC?
I think marijuana should be legalized.......for whatEVER reason the user decides!! (http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=daily_news)

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
I'll tell ya what drives up health care costs Gatsby ... 4000 illegals a day coming over the border.

Dop
Nahhhhhhhhhhhh......it's the insurance-companies who figure they've got some kind of Divine Right to maintaining their profit-margin. (http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/insurance/nw/nw002916.php3) ;)

Are there only 4000 illegals coming through daily?

Part of what drives the insurance costs skyward is the never-ending itemization of each medical bill. Every one of those bean counting administrators costs a bundle as well. If your auto mechanic was reqired to itemize in a similar fashion, everyone would scream even more about the cost of maintaining their vehicles.

Originally posted by Mr. Shaman
I think marijuana should be legalized.......for whatEVER reason the user decides!! (http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=daily_news)

But you don't think drugs like heroin or cocaine should, right?

Originally posted by DaveTooner
But you don't think drugs like heroin or cocaine should, right?
It's none o' my business what other people do/use.

Originally posted by Mr. Shaman
It's none o' my business what other people do/use.

So do you think that prescription drugs should be sold over the counter?