These pictures are very graphic, and you will not see on your TV, but it's what war speaks of.







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No, U.S. television won't show most of those shots.

What's missing are the constant attacks on all the senses that one experiences in a combat zone.

I salute our brave soldiers who live under those conditions so that we don't have to fight the terrorist here.

It is best to fight terrorist at the source. If we rid Iraq of terrorist then maybe we both can live in peace.

old reb

Funny that you would use the term terrorist... as it does not apply to all of the people in Iraq that are fighting against your forces. To many, the US is the invader, the bad guy (although not as bad as Saddam), so they fight against you because they want you gone from their land. To them, they are fighting for THEIR freedom from what they see as American oppression. The morale of the story is, not everyone is a terrorist over there, but are freedom fighters. As a kid in my politics class said "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter".

That is Very True about the Terrorists and Freedom Fights. But is there a point when the Freedom fighter goes to Far, was Osama fighting for freedom, well he's a freedom fighter, but he killed thousands with his planed attacks, so hes a terrorits, which one is right.

So does it all depend on how much killing there must be to be a freedom fighter and a terrorist, thats not right

When you kill without laws or rules under any consitution you are a terrorist.

This is why the US Liberation Forces are not the so called Terrorists of the Iraq Campagine.

Agent Day
Neo Conservative Manifesto

Originally posted by CX returns
Funny that you would use the term terrorist... as it does not apply to all of the people in Iraq that are fighting against your forces. To many, the US is the invader, the bad guy (although not as bad as Saddam), so they fight against you because they want you gone from their land. To them, they are fighting for THEIR freedom from what they see as American oppression. The morale of the story is, not everyone is a terrorist over there, but are freedom fighters. As a kid in my politics class said "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter".

Radical Islam wanted the USA to invade Iraq and rid it of Saddam Hussain. Their next plan was to get rid of an easier target over there; the USA so they could have radical islamic country.

I believe the average person in Iraq just wants peace and a complete social society with running water, electricty and freedom to worship as they please. That is what we are trying to bring but first we must root out the terrorist that destory infrastructure, kill anybody that they can just to keep normal live from the people.

The terrorist are the ones who kill women like the woman head of Care who spent 30 years helping the people of Iraq. Terrorist are the ones who blow up cars anyplace there are people. Terrorist are the ones who take innocent people and cut their heads off and post it for the world to see. We are fighting the terrorist at the source. We are fighting for the people of America and we are fighting for the people of Iraq.

old reb

Originally posted by old-reb
I salute our brave soldiers who live under those conditions so that we don't have to fight the terrorist here.

So do I. :thumbs:

Originally posted by old-reb
Radical Islam wanted the USA to invade Iraq and rid it of Saddam Hussain. Their next plan was to get rid of an easier target over there; the USA so they could have radical islamic country.

I believe the average person in Iraq just wants peace and a complete social society with running water, electricty and freedom to worship as they please. That is what we are trying to bring but first we must root out the terrorist that destory infrastructure, kill anybody that they can just to keep normal live from the people.

The terrorist are the ones who kill women like the woman head of Care who spent 30 years helping the people of Iraq. Terrorist are the ones who blow up cars anyplace there are people. Terrorist are the ones who take innocent people and cut their heads off and post it for the world to see. We are fighting the terrorist at the source. We are fighting for the people of America and we are fighting for the people of Iraq.

old reb


I Agree with what you Say Old Reb

It is true that the Us Military is fighting Terrorism at the Source and that Once these Terrorist are takin care of hopefully the Iraq people can began to prosper once again.

But it is possible to uproot all the weeds ?? ? ? ? ??

Is it possible to get rid of every one terrorist and ensure peace a safety in the minds of many. . . . . . . .. No it is not possible

No matter how hard we try we will never get them all. As Long as History remembers these people there will always be people like these terrorists trying to undo the past mistakes.

History reminds and informs us about the bad of the past and makes us interested to try and correct the mistakes of the past and put it in to todays ideal's and concepts.

Without these Terrorists, life would not be as it is.

Agent Day
Neo Conservative Manifesto

Originally posted by Agent Day
I Agree with what you Say Old Reb

It is true that the Us Military is fighting Terrorism at the Source and that Once these Terrorist are takin care of hopefully the Iraq people can began to prosper once again.

But it is possible to uproot all the weeds ?? ? ? ? ??

Is it possible to get rid of every one terrorist and ensure peace a safety in the minds of many. . . . . . . .. No it is not possible

No matter how hard we try we will never get them all. As Long as History remembers these people there will always be people like these terrorists trying to undo the past mistakes.

History reminds and informs us about the bad of the past and makes us interested to try and correct the mistakes of the past and put it in to todays ideal's and concepts.

Without these Terrorists, life would not be as it is.

Agent Day
Neo Conservative Manifesto So whats the point of your post?

Originally posted by HaVoK
So whats the point of your post?


His point is that we can't stop all terrorist so why try stopping any? I have been digging weeds in my yard today. I will never get them all but if I don't dig them I will have a yard full of weeds. Maybe if I just sat in the house and smoked weed, I wouldn't care what grew in the yard.

old reb

The shrub will have much to answer for when he meets his maker. This war was unnecesary and won't accomplish a damn thing for the U.S.A. other than to piss off a lot more Muslims than were already pissed off at us. The fruits of his warmongering will come back to haunt the next generation of American.

As these pictures show, the shrub saying he believes all life is sacred is just another of his many lies.

Originally posted by Echo2
The shrub will have much to answer for when he meets his maker. This war was unnecesary and won't accomplish a damn thing for the U.S.A. other than to piss off a lot more Muslims than were already pissed off at us. The fruits of his warmongering will come back to haunt the next generation of American.

As these pictures show, the shrub saying he believes all life is sacred is just another of his many lies.

Shrub is the man, he is fighting against those who kill women like the head of Care. People who kill 50 unarmed Iraqi men. Shrub is against killing millions of healthy american unborn babies.

All life is sacred except for terrorist. We had to kill Bundy after he killed about 30 women. If we had of killed him after the first one, we could have saved 29 lives by killing one.

old reb

Originally posted by old-reb
Shrub is the man, he is fighting against those who kill women like the head of Care. People who kill 50 unarmed Iraqi men. Shrub is against killing millions of healthy american unborn babies.

All life is sacred except for terrorist. We had to kill Bundy after he killed about 30 women. If we had of killed him after the first one, we could have saved 29 lives by killing one.

old reb

All life that doesn't agree with his ideals and policies is sacred. Everyone else can go to hell for all he cares. Did you even look at all those pictures? The innocent babies with legs and arms blown off are not terrorists. The simply got in the shrubs way.

Originally posted by Echo2
All life that doesn't agree with his ideals and policies is sacred. Everyone else can go to hell for all he cares. Did you even look at all those pictures? The innocent babies with legs and arms blown off are not terrorists. The simply got in the shrubs way.

In Palestine, Balkans, Chechnya and Iraq, the Islamics use their own families and cities as human shields . It is their way.

The radicals move into a city and use it as a military base and its population as hostages. We can do nothing and be victims or we can fight back and eliminate the terrorist. War is not a pretty thing but that is what the terrorist want. They love killing. It was them that brought us 9/11.

old reb

The terrorists brought us 9/11.
The shrub brought the terrorists to Iraq by attacking it.

I guess he figures an eye for an eye. Except that the Iraq people are not the ones that attacked us. AlQuida was. The shrub never quite got that through his head.

By your reasoning, if a person uses an innocent child for a shield then we are totally within our rights to murder the child. No matter that the child had absolutely nothing to do with what is going on and is only an innocent caught between two warmongering religios fanatics.

Now that I'm older, I'm a lot wiser on how many tunes you can play on the fiddle.. Now take "old-reb" here.. He says he is old, or should I say that in a very low tone of voice, for he knows that "little tree 43", or Scrub as "Echo 2" calls him.. has no morals to his soul on what is going on in American or any other parts of the world. Many, Many like old-reb sees a different beaming light
than most humans. So many, maybe 55 millions will follow this president to their deaths. If he said, tomorrow I want all my followers to go to this wall and line up to face a firing squad, there would be mass bodies trampled to death trying to get to the wall first.

Originally posted by Echo2
The terrorists brought us 9/11.
The shrub brought the terrorists to Iraq by attacking it.

I guess he figures an eye for an eye. Except that the Iraq people are not the ones that attacked us. AlQuida was. The shrub never quite got that through his head.

By your reasoning, if a person uses an innocent child for a shield then we are totally within our rights to murder the child. No matter that the child had absolutely nothing to do with what is going on and is only an innocent caught between two warmongering religios fanatics.

If a man is holding his child and an Ak-47 and is shooting at you and your friends. Do you surrender? He will cut your head off. Do you run? He will shoot you in the back. Do you hide? he will find you and your life will be over. There is another choice; shoot back. It is not an easy choice but when our guys make the wrong choice they don't come home.

The terrorist depend on people like you to keep anti-terrorist soldiers from defending themselves.

old reb

Originally posted by Skeeter

than most humans. So many, maybe 55 millions will follow this president to their deaths. If he said, tomorrow I want all my followers to go to this wall and line up to face a firing squad, there would be mass bodies trampled to death trying to get to the wall first.

Skeeter,

We need to get together and smoke some pot. It looks like you have some good stuff.

Kamikazi's rushing to be killed? Cool.


old reb

Originally posted by old-reb
If a man is holding his child and an Ak-47 and is shooting at you and your friends. Do you surrender? He will cut your head off. Do you run? He will shoot you in the back. Do you hide? he will find you and your life will be over. There is another choice; shoot back. It is not an easy choice but when our guys make the wrong choice they don't come home.

The terrorist depend on people like you to keep anti-terrorist soldiers from defending themselves.

old reb

The catch to your scenario is that the Iraqi people were not attacking us. The shrub attacked them for a personal vendetta. They didn't have WMD, they didn't have chemical weapons, they didn't have connections to alquida, they didn't have anything to do with 9/11.

With your way of thinking, I would be perfectly within my rights if I decide to attack your family and start shooting into your house with a AK47 because I think somebody in there might be considering attacking me. My guess is that you and the adult members of your household would start shooting back. However any children or other family members that get killed are just unfortunate casualties and we shouldn't concern ourselves with them because you were wrong to shoot back.

Originally posted by Echo2
The catch to your scenario is that the Iraqi people were not attacking us. The shrub attacked them for a personal vendetta. They didn't have WMD, they didn't have chemical weapons, they didn't have connections to alquida, they didn't have anything to do with 9/11.

WMD is another subject. You can read the Shrub's mind? No matter what he says you know what is in his heart? al Qaida is only one of many Islamic groups dedicated to the destruction of Israel, USA and Western world and 9/11 and the attack on Spain trains is what they do to keep the war going. The Iraqis don't want Saddam Hussain, or terrorist but what they now have is us and that is a lot better than the other two choices. We removed Saddam and now we are removing the terrorist. Then we can give Iraq back to the Iraqis and help them keep the terrorist out.

With your way of thinking, I would be perfectly within my rights if I decide to attack your family and start shooting into your house with a AK47 because I think somebody in there might be considering attacking me. My guess is that you and the adult members of your household would start shooting back. However any children or other family members that get killed are just unfortunate casualties and we shouldn't concern ourselves with them because you were wrong to shoot back.



This is really complex
1) you attack my family with ak-47 because someone in my house might be considering attacking you.
2) I shoot back.
3) any family member or children killed are unfortunate casualties.
??????
No matter how I break it down I can't see how that is the same as terrorist taking up residence among civilians and using them as hostages while they go on killing sprees against anybody that happens to be an easy target.

Good job Reb. Looks like your logic ruffled a couple of loon's feathers.

Me, Skeeter, big warrior of many arrows arrive at "allforums" tepee ready to hurl his mighty volumes of wisdom... Some members of tepee ready to take scalp, only to see many arrows being hurled at little scrub oak, aka president of Land of America..

Old Man, Skeeter, never smoked weed, nor sniffed Pekoe white powder...like "little treee 43" did when he was on Texas stomping ground drinking fire water from bottle, and sniffing white powder extracted from coca leaves.

Originally posted by Skeeter

Old Man, Skeeter, never smoked weed, nor sniffed Pekoe white powder...like "little treee 43" did when he was on Texas stomping ground drinking fire water from bottle, and sniffing white powder extracted from coca leaves.

Skeeter, you are a good boy.

old reb