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Jester
11-17-2004, 07:23 AM
Yes, 74% of Jewish voters voted for Kerry in this election, and 79% voted for Gore in the last one. Does anyone have any idea why?

When a similar question was raised about the black vote, people had an answer in an instant - blacks vote Democrat because they're lazy, want freebies, and care only about themselves. But what about Jewish Americans? Are they also a bunch of poor, lazy thugs? Most people would say no.

I've heard Republicans wondering about why they don't get the Jewish vote. Afterall, Jews would be most concerned about Israel, and they therefore should have voted for Bush because he's so pro-Israel.... right? Yet on Nov. 2, the vast majority of Jewish voters cast their ballots for the Democratic candidate. It's a phenomenon that continues to mystify Republicans across the nation.

Perhaps the problem is that people don't always vote for the reasons we assume they do. Perhaps the problem is that people see other racial and ethnic groups with such a one-dimensional view and associate them with just one single issue. For example: Blacks - affirmativice action/free stuff; Jews - Israel; Hispanics - immigration; Asians - Kung Pao chicken.

But people aren't so one-dimensional, and the failure to recognize that is what leaves people scratching their heads when they see the exit polls of Jewish voters. Clearly, many Jews weren't thinking only of Israel when they went to the polls. So maybe it's not too much of a stretch to say that many black voters had things other than affirmative action and freebies on their minds when they cast their ballots.

Sources:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/results/index.epolls.html

Travh20
11-17-2004, 09:36 AM
the democrat mind warp is fimly entrenched. it will take years to clean it out of some people heads. some people still beleive tat just by saying something that makes you a better choice. the democrats have been saying things for years but never produce. sooner or later the people they promise things to will have to wake up and realize why nothing gets done. I will tell you why. the dems dont want to solve any of these "problems". their entire pwer structure is set up to exploit the people they claim to be for. if there were no poor people, there would be no democrats. if there were no people discriminated agaisnt, there would be no democrats. the democrats need these people as much as these people believe they need the democrats. In reality, it is the conservatives who want to make these people independently succesful so they wont have to rely on the government, AKA the democrats. if people could take care of themselves and of their own we wouldnt have a permanent hopeless class that put all their faith in their survival into the federal governemnt.

HaVoK
11-17-2004, 10:19 AM
Im just wondering what percentage of Italians voted for Kerry. That's the real social issue for me.

Lungdop Philing
11-17-2004, 10:19 AM
I think it was Joseph Stalin that said something on the order of ... It doesn't matter how many voted -- it only matters how many were counted.

You can bet your last dollar that not all the dem votes will be counted.

Dop

Travh20
11-17-2004, 10:24 AM
ya, nd nota ll the republican votes will be either dop. name me one election in history where every vote has been counted. aside from saddam hussein and adolf hitlers 100% victory in 100% turnout there are none.

Lungdop Philing
11-17-2004, 12:59 PM
IIRC Hitler gained power with less than 30% of the vote but don't quote me on that one yet -- off to google to check it out.

Anyway, good to see you debating trav in lieu of tossing out names, attacking the messenger and other niceities.

Dop

silverbulletkc
11-17-2004, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by HaVoK
Im just wondering what percentage of Italians voted for Kerry. That's the real social issue for me.
I'm wondering how many Ukranians and space aliens voted for Kerry myself.

Jester
11-17-2004, 05:36 PM
Okay, so nobody got the point of my post. Oh well.

The Praetorian
11-17-2004, 05:39 PM
Originally posted by silverbulletkc
I'm wondering how many Ukranians and space aliens voted for Kerry myself.
I'm sorry Havok, but that's some funny shit! :D

Karankawa
11-20-2004, 09:44 AM
Jester,

I don't know a lot about Jews, but I mostly picture them as a people that live in the inner cities. And inner city voters were 60% for Kerry. Also, there aren't very many Jews, total, so deviation from that 60% number is likely to occur.

I grant that the 74% number is still interesting, but I can't find a clear reason why as easily as I can, say, for example, the 88% for black voters.

DarkFantasy96
11-20-2004, 03:29 PM
Wait wait just a minute, hold up! You mostly picture Jews as living in inner cities? Where the hell did that come from? :@@:

Jester
11-20-2004, 04:47 PM
I don't know a lot about Jews, but I mostly picture them as a people that live in the inner cities. And inner city voters were 60% for Kerry. Also, there aren't very many Jews, total, so deviation from that 60% number is likely to occur.
Did you mean "big" cities rather than "inner" cities? If so, then you may be right, though I haven't seen any statistics on that.

I grant that the 74% number is still interesting, but I can't find a clear reason why as easily as I can, say, for example, the 88% for black voters.
That's precisely my point. You can't jump to conclusions about a group of people based on how they vote. Nor can you explain why a group of people votes a certain way based on stereotypes about that group. And both those points are proven by the fact that so many Jews vote Democrat.

Darth Be'lal
11-20-2004, 06:22 PM
Keep in mind that support from Jews and Blacks is eroding in the democrat party.

The democrats had something like 91% of the vote from blacks in 2000, now it's down to 89%. Also keep in mind that many blacks tend to be very religious and the republican party is a bit more tolerant of the religious types.

As far as Jews are concerned, they've tradtionally have voted in blocks, all for one candidate or all for another. But that is eroding as well. As joker has mentioned some 79% of jews voted for Gore in 2000, 74% of jews voted for Kerry in '04. I see a trend toward the right in both cases. Time will tell for sure though.