I thought this should be another thread.

Any idea what country has the most laissez-faire government? I have a feeling that is where you will find the kindest, and fairest people in the world.

I agree.

The only problem is that type of government is dead.

Freedom Considerations By Country

Free Speech Countries In Order:

(My Guess)
1. Denmark
2. Netherlands
3. Sweden
4. Norway
5. Any other Scandinavian Country
6. USA and Canada

Yet even in Denmark some speech is unlawful now, and in the US you can go to jail for saying that the president should die.

Property Rights:

I have no clue what country is the best, but in the US they can take your house for a highway or drugs. Although, in China they can take your life and property for a Dam.

Right To Travel Freely:

Not Really Sure Here Either. In the US we have a license for everything and I personally have been stopped for no reason and had my car searched without probable cause or warrant. Not that they found anything, but it still sucks. To me licensing is too intrusive to begin with.

Right to Bear Arms:

In the top ten order unknown:

Luxemburg, Iraq, a few other Arab states, and USA.

Yet in the USA you can't even walk down the street with one or sell them without following the complex and asinine rules of the ATF.

Freedom from IP and corrupt regulations:

No country that I know of has low or no regulation.

To me I have specified the most important rights, but not one country has even one of those rights.

1910 USA we had more of all the rights I specified.

Since 1913 Income Tax was passed it has been a down hill battle. It then accelerated in 1935 with the Machine Gun Act. It seems to me at that point fascism, communism, and socialism were knocking on the door of the USA, but the US did its best to slow its progress. Well at least until the 1967 Nazi Gun Control Act that looks like an improvement (If you’re a Nazi) on what the Nazis passed for gun registration in 1939. Ours has more fields to write in, but they did have a race question. Then in 1978 we saw the first "1984" style of law. The vale of Fascism started to fall, but Reagan with the Cold War and Tax Cuts put it on hold. In 1987 a memo put a temporary end to the Terrorist Act that was used about 120 times on non-terrorist and 7 times on actual terrorist. Finally, with Papa Bush and Clinton a move towards Fascism started again. Then Baby Bush went all out by supporting the destruction of all Civil Rights in the USA with the Patriot Act I and II. No memo to stop the tyranny this time, and the Justice department loves using on everyone that gives them a hard time.

Originally posted by tberthel

Right To Travel Freely:

Not Really Sure Here Either. In the US we have a license for everything and I personally have been stopped for no reason and had my car searched without probable cause or warrant.


If a police officer operates outside his constitutional limitations, and you don't have the wherewithal to protest and pursue it, that doesn't make it a national policy.

I complained to Austin in a letter after the a judge, judge clerk, and state trooper did nothing. Austin never replied or even told me about any investigation.

It's just like when affirmative action (discrimination) was used against me. They just don't care.

The ATF has delayed the processing of my FFL application permanently despite what the regulations say. Then when I complained to them they charged me. I was acquitted. Not only that, but when I complained to the Justice Department they ignored my complaint that was long before the ATF charged me.

I have many other examples but typing them all in is a waste of time since everyone is under their thumb anyways. They just have not used it on many people yet, but they will.

They are corrupt. Jumping through their endless hoops does nothing, but give them time to do more things while you wait. I.e they pass corruption faster than you can stop previous corruption.

How can you put the US so low in the free speech category? Most of these liberal European countries have certain speech codes. For example, in Sweeden it is illegal for Christian preachers to preach that homosexuality is a sin. It's "hate speech." This is also the case over here in North America. Canada has similar speech codes. TV preachers in the US have to tape an alternate sermon for airing in Canada if the sermon involves reading scripture calling homosexuality a sin.

One thing that I bring up to people occasionally is that in the U.S you never own your own home. You rent it from the government.
people will reply that they own their own home. I say no, miss a few years of taxes and they will come evict you, at gun point if necessary.

You can own the finest car money can buy and if you dont pay taxes thru the purchase of a tag you cannot drive it.
Buy a tag and if you dont pay taxes in the form of a drivers license you still cannot drive it.
Buy a tag, purchase a drivers license and not add to the high profits of an insurance company and you still cannot drive it in most states.

Still seems like one of the best places to live though.

How can you put the US so low in the free speech category? Most of these liberal European countries have certain speech codes. For example, in Sweeden it is illegal for Christian preachers to preach that homosexuality is a sin. It's "hate speech." This is also the case over here in North America. Canada has similar speech codes. TV preachers in the US have to tape an alternate sermon for airing in Canada if the sermon involves reading scripture calling homosexuality a sin.

I was just an estimate as stated. I agree with your "hate speech" sermon. Political correctness is not just silly, but very destructive. Although, the USA has other things like the FCC that cracks down on people for showing a nipple during a football game half time show. In europe and Canada I think they are less restrictive with porn, but more restrictive on so-called "hate speech".

One thing that I bring up to people occasionally is that in the U.S you never own your own home. You rent it from the government.

I agree. Although, I don't know where it is different. Is there a country without property confiscation? Not that one ever existed for long. It's just that many people lived far from Nazi thugs, but people live so close to each other now.

I agree. Although, I don't know where it is different.

Exactly. These european countries that libs love so much have even more taxation than we do.

I'm more than a little surprised to see you listing the various Scandanavian countries as examples of laissez-faire, when a couple of them are considered shining examples of how socialism can work.

Originally posted by tberthel
Right To Travel Freely:

Not Really Sure Here Either. In the US we have a license for everything and I personally have been stopped for no reason and had my car searched without probable cause or warrant. Not that they found anything, but it still sucks. To me licensing is too intrusive to begin with.



In Spain any policeman can stop you in the street without any reason and ask for your DNI (National Identity card) if you can not provide one, you can be taken to the police station for identification purposes.

BTW, the DNI is a mandatory document for all Spanish citizens from the age of 14 and at the time they give you one, they take your fingerprints...

sweet eh???:mad:
When some friends got mad about the travelling to the US restrictions for foreigners (the photo and fingerprint at the airport thing) I just said to them that even my own government has my fingerprints and I have never been in trouble with the law (not even a parking ticket)...

Karankawa I'm more than a little surprised to see you listing the various Scandanavian countries as examples of laissez-faire, when a couple of them are considered shining examples of how socialism can work.

LOL. I did not say they are laissez-faire. I am not sure if I already said it, but I do not know of any country that is laissez-faire now. Some places were that way before, but as soon as nationalism sets in they become corrupt and tyrannical. The socialist states tend to have more freedom of speech.

In Spain any policeman can stop you in the street without any reason and ask for your DNI (National Identity card) if you can not provide one, you can be taken to the police station for identification purposes.

That sucks. They can do the same thing in the United States. We just use state required Driver Licenses or ID cards if you do not have a drivers license.

When some friends got mad about the travelling to the US restrictions for foreigners (the photo and fingerprint at the airport thing) I just said to them that even my own government has my fingerprints and I have never been in trouble with the law (not even a parking ticket)...

I was tackled by a thug running with a MP-5 (Sub Machine Gun) at the DFW airport in 2000. Oddly I lifted weights almost all that year and he fell on his butt even though he hit me from my back. Apparently, he was called in because I complained when I was searched by the airport thugs a few minutes earlier. They did not even appoligize for their actions. I just walked away from him and boarded the plane. I have not been to the airport since. I will only visit a U.S. airport a maximum of one more time, and that will be when I leave this Police State for another that borbers the edge of civilization so I may hide from the World Police State. I will leave as soon as I finish dealing with the government and arranging transport (probably walk). Probably the third of February unless the government stops me since I my ideals keep me from taking the oath required for a passport. The portion of the oath added in 1978 requires you to aggree that bearing arms against the U.S. is not part of the 2nd amemdment. They don't state the 2nd amemdment they just say that you will not bear arms against the U.S. government. Which is the whole purpose of the 2nd amemdment and revolution against tyrants.

Originally posted by tberthel

Freedom Considerations By Country

Free Speech Countries In Order:

(My Guess)
1. Denmark
2. Netherlands
3. Sweden
4. Norway
5. Any other Scandinavian Country
6. USA and Canada


Second world press freedom ranking (October 2003)

The ranking

N° Country Note

1 Finland 0,50
- Iceland 0,50
- Netherlands 0,50
- Norway 0,50
5 Denmark 1,00
- Trinidad and Tobago 1,00
7 Belgium 1,17
8 Germany 1,33
9 Sweden 1,50
10 Canada 1,83
11 Latvia 2,25
12 Czech Republic 2,50
- Estonia 2,50
- Slovakia 2,50
- Switzerland 2,50
16 Austria 2,75
17 Ireland 2,83
- Lithuania 2,83
- New Zealand 2,83
20 Slovenia 3,00
21 Hungary 3,33
- Jamaica 3,33
- South Africa 3,33
24 Costa Rica 3,83
25 Uruguay 4,00
26 France 4,17
27 United Kingdom 4,25
28 Portugal 5,17
29 Benin 5,25
30 Timor-Leste 5,50
31 Greece 6,00
- United States of America 6,00
33 Poland 6,17
34 Albania 6,50

(snip)

http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=8247

Special situation of the United States and Israel;

The ranking distinguishes behaviour at home and abroad in the cases of the United States and Israel. They are ranked in 31st and 44th positions respectively as regards respect for freedom of expression on their own territory, but they fall to the 135th and 146th positions as regards behaviour beyond their borders.

There has always been an obvious connection between freedoms and education.

Finland is the highest educated country in the world and they enjoy the most freedoms.

Educated people don't allow their freedoms to be stripped away -- it's only the uneducated red neck inbreds such as we see here in america that allow a few to control the masses.

Dop

http://www.rsf.org/ is down now, but I hope it will come back up. The list provided seems to be scored on freedom of press. Interesting anyways.

There has always been an obvious connection between freedoms and education.

I agree to an extent. As long as the education is not propaganda. Like Russian history during Communism, and U.S. some economic classes and history books. U.S. history books focus on a few liberals usually FDR and MLK get the biggest coverage. While Adam Smith and Calvin Coolage get a paragraph together. Luckily the English classes in the U.S. tend to allow teachers to allow political thought to occur.

Stuff like math and science tend not to be too political. So I would modify your statement as such:

"Forcing people to take time debating in public and researching facts is strongly connected to freedom."

tberthel -- welcome to the forums

Indeed russian history was taught with a heavy focus on communistic propoganda but keep in mind that was only true in one country -- the USA and the inverse was true in only one country -- the USSR.

It was the mechanism used to keep the citizens in line. Here, we learned that the USSR was the devil and only our government could protect us. And over there, they learned the USA was the devil and only their government could protect them.

But, that was just 2 countries. The remainder of the world saw right throgh the crap being dished out by the cold war participants and continued teaching world history objectively and free from propaganda.

Fortunately for me, I spent a lot of the cold war years in Europe and had the opportunity of viewing the cold war without big brother McCarthyistic influences.

As far as math and science ... we have to go no further than the results of the world competitions in both of these sciences. The USA is embarrassingly cocky going in and usually ends up going home without the trophy and with her tail between her legs. It would suit me just fine if we dropped out all the competitions. We simply aren't ready to play on a world stage. The main reason, IMHO -- we are more concerned about teaching creationism than evolution or any science that suggests evolution (which is most of them) and that theocratic attitude begins to blur the boundaries of teacher conscienceness.

I guess the day is coming where our lack of the science skill sets will not even allow for us to compete in the military race but we sure as heck will lead the world in teaching creationism and stopping gay marriages and abortions.

Dop

and we will always lead the world in morons

Originally posted by Travh20
and we will always lead the world in morons

Hey! We agree on something! :)

It's spelled Morans ...