Christians don't believe in abortion. Abortions haved caused a decrease in European population that has left a labor shortage that has been filled by youth from Islamic countries. So religion has something to do with Europe losing to Islam.

France will be come Islamic before 2060, is simple 3rd grade math. 10% of French are muslim. So for sake of argument lets say that France has 10 million people of which 1 million are Muslim.

In one generation or 20 years, 2020 if Kafirs have 2 children and Muslims have 6 children so in one generation the Muslims triple their population.

in 2020, one generation
Kafirs 1x 9 million=9 million
Muslims 3x1 million=3 million

in 2040, next generation
Kafirs 1x9million= 9million
Muslims 3x3million=9 million

in 2060, next generation
kafirs 1x9million= 9million
Muslims 3x9million 27 million

That doesn't consider immigration and conversion or killing off of Christians. To see the end game look at Kosovo.

There's an interesting theory...

That assumes that after living in the West for many years, the muslims will remain unaffected by western culture and the ideas about birth control, family planning, etc. that go along with it.

It also assumes that they will be able to afford having large families.

What is it that makes France so popular?

You also assume that all of these people will continue to practice Islam. Europe is becoming much more secular and atheist. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a decrease in all religion.

Bullshit. This theory seems to be quite common in the USA, it's not the first time I read it here. But it's totally wrong.
First, the fugure you quote as preliminary are wrong : France's muslim population is about 5% of the total. And that is in fact of muslim ascent, since, most young french people whose parents aor grand parents were muslims are not more religious than their christian pals - if france is heading towards something, it's atheism or rather "soft agnocistism", whatever community you belong to.

Most of all, all demographic datas show that the birth rate of any immigrant community tends to become the same than the average. Education, higher standard of living and cultural assimilation have this effect in all countries.

Originally posted by astrapol2
Bullshit. This theory seems to be quite common in the USA, it's not the first time I read it here. But it's totally wrong.
First, the fugure you quote as preliminary are wrong : France's muslim population is about 5% of the total. And that is in fact of muslim ascent, since, most young french people whose parents aor grand parents were muslims are not more religious than their christian pals - if france is heading towards something, it's atheism or rather "soft agnocistism", whatever community you belong to.

Most of all, all demographic datas show that the birth rate of any immigrant community tends to become the same than the average. Education, higher standard of living and cultural assimilation have this effect in all countries.


Astrapol,

You create your own truth by typing what you would have people believe.

I started the thread on an idea that I just guessed at but here is proof that my guess was right.

Demographers in France are estimating that 20 to 30 percent of the French population under the age of 25 is now Muslim. Statistics also indicate that native-born French people are not having many babies, but France's large Muslim immigrant community is.

Gary Bauer, president of the Campaign for Working Families, is troubled by the reported demographic trends out of France. He contends that the Muslim population explosion in France is contributing to a social climate that is hostile to Israel and to Jews, and foreign policies that are hostile to America.


Gary Bauer
"Incredibly high levels of immigration from Muslim countries are resulting in a dramatic shift in the population balance in the nation of France," Bauer says, "and there's growing evidence that that shift is contributing mightily to growing anti-Semitism by these recent immigrants as well as to French foreign policy."

With massive Muslim immigration and Muslim birth rates on the rise, Bauer says France 25 years from now could be an essentially Muslim nation. And that, he fears, would have incredible implications for future U.S.-France relations, as well as for the Western alliance.

http://news.christiansunite.com/Religion_News/religion00439.shtml

Old reb, your source for this information is utterly laughable. AgapePress is not news; it is Christian Right propaganda.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Old reb, your source for this information is utterly laughable. AgapePress is not news; it is Christian Right propaganda.

Well, if the Christian right is too far right for you then maybe a Muslim site won't be too far left for you. Kerry liberals are like the old Truman Okies. You have to show them. "The show me state".


Statistics show Muslims in France count between about 5 and 6 million, which is about 10 to 12% of the French population. That is the highest percentage of Muslims in a Western European country.


http://www.masnet.org/prof_community.asp?id=1585

Originally posted by old-reb
Demographers in France are estimating that 20 to 30 percent of the French population under the age of 25 is now Muslim. Statistics also indicate that native-born French people are not having many babies, but France's large Muslim immigrant community is.


An outrageous lie. Please provide your sources !

According to the INED, Institut national d'Etudes démographie, an official, non partisan and extremely reliable source, immigrant women in France have an average of 2,2 babies, slightly above french women !
It appears that everything in your prophecy is wrong - bad figures, twisted reasonment.


www.ined.fr/publications

Originally posted by old-reb




Demographers in France are estimating that 20 to 30 percent of the French population under the age of 25 is now Muslim. Statistics also indicate that native-born French people are not having many babies, but France's large Muslim immigrant community is.

In Islamic countries, they normally have 5,6 children, but muslims that have grown up in Canada or the U.S. tend to have only the nrmal which is 2 kids per family. Having that many children in our culture is just unaffordable.




Gary Bauer
"Incredibly high levels of immigration from Muslim countries are resulting in a dramatic shift in the population balance in the nation of France," Bauer says, "and there's growing evidence that that shift is contributing mightily to growing anti-Semitism by these recent immigrants as well as to French foreign policy."

With massive Muslim immigration and Muslim birth rates on the rise, Bauer says France 25 years from now could be an essentially Muslim nation. And that, he fears, would have incredible implications for future U.S.-France relations, as well as for the Western alliance.

http://news.christiansunite.com/Religion_News/religion00439.shtml [/B]

In Canada and the U.S. immigrants come from all over the world. Why would France recieve so much more immigrants from Islamic countries over all other countries?

France will be come Islamic before 2060, is simple 3rd grade math. 10% of French are muslim. So for sake of argument lets say that France has 10 million people of which 1 million are Muslim.

In one generation or 20 years, 2020 if Kafirs have 2 children and Muslims have 6 children so in one generation the Muslims triple their population.

in 2020, one generation
Kafirs 1x 9 million=9 million
Muslims 3x1 million=3 million

in 2040, next generation
Kafirs 1x9million= 9million
Muslims 3x3million=9 million

in 2060, next generation
kafirs 1x9million= 9million
Muslims 3x9million 27 million

Unfortunately, the math isn't that simple. If a certain population was to triple every 20 years, it would have to grow at a rate of 5.65% every year. That's extremely high and extremely unlikely.

Let's take the growth rate of the Muslim population to be 3%, which is still very high, and assume that the non-Muslim population does not grow. It will then take 75 years, not 20 years, for Muslims to be the majority. And that too is a worst scenario.

If we look at a more likely scenario of a Muslim growth rate of 1%, then Muslims will be the majority in France in 225 years. And this is after assuming that the non-Muslim population does not grow at all, so the real number of years could be over 300.

Any number of things can happen in 300 years... birth rates could drop with increased birth control, immigration could decrease if the Arab economies improve or if the French economy deteriorates, France could implement anti-immigration laws, and of course we could have more world wars or a nuclear holocaust. I therefore seriously doubt that France will ever become an Islamic nation.

In Canada and the U.S. immigrants come from all over the world. Why would France recieve so much more immigrants from Islamic countries over all other countries? [/B]

French Algeirs, the population flowed both ways.

old reb