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BorgHunter
11-09-2004, 05:51 PM
Attorney General John Ashcroft and Commerce Secretary Donald Evans resigned Tuesday, the first members of President Bush's Cabinet to leave as he headed from re-election into his second term.

The resignations were announced by White House press secretary Scott McClellan, who said Bush had accepted the decisions of both secretaries.

"The objective of securing the safety of Americans from crime and terror has been achieved," Ashcroft wrote in a five-page handwritten letter to Bush, adding that he believed that the Justice Department "would be well served by new leadership and fresh inspiration" and that "my energies and talents should be directed toward other challenging horizons."

Bush said in a statement that Ashcroft had "served our nation with honor, distinction and integrity" and had "transformed the [Justice] Department to make combating terrorism the top priority, including making sure our law enforcement officials have the tools they need to disrupt and prevent attacks."

Justice Department sources have said privately for weeks that Ashcroft, 62, who has been a lightning rod for criticism by Democrats and civil liberties activists, was not likely to continue in a second term.

Aides described him as "exhausted" from leading the Justice Department in fighting the domestic war on terrorism since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Stress was a factor in health problems earlier this year that resulted in removal of Ashcroft's gallbladder.

Ashcroft's former deputy, Larry Thompson, who recently took a job as general counsel at PepsiCo, is considered a likely successor, Republican officials have said. If appointed, he would be the nation's first black attorney general.

Others prominently mentioned include Bush’s 2004 campaign chairman, former Montana Gov. Marc Racicot, and White House counsel Alberto Gonzales.

Both Ashcroft and Evans have served in Bush's Cabinet from the start of the administration.

Administration officials have said it was possible that Evans, a close friend of Bush’s from Texas, would be in line to succeed John Snow as Treasury secretary should Snow leave. But Evans wrote, "I have concluded with deep regret that it is time for me to return home."

In a separate statement, Bush thanked Evans "for his outstanding service to our nation."

"Don shares my belief that the promise of America means our best days lie ahead," the president said. "Together, we have worked to make that a reality."

A name often mentioned for Evans' job at the Commerce Department that of is Mercer Reynolds, national finance chairman for the Bush campaign, who raised more than $260 million to get him re-elected.

The moves came a day after Bush returned to Washington from the presidential retreat at Camp David, Md., where he spend the weekend discussing what was expected to be a significant reshuffling of his Cabinet.

Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson, who had earlier indicated that he was planning on leaving after the first Bush term, said Tuesday: "I'm waiting to talk to the president, and I will let you know my decision very shortly."

Secretary of State Colin Powell and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, two leading administration faces in the Iraq war, have also been mentioned as likely to leave, while national security adviser Condoleezza Rice is reported to have told aides that she plans to return to California.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6446454/

es347fan
11-09-2004, 06:55 PM
It's a great day for the U.S.A. when Ashcroft goes away.

LionelHutz
11-09-2004, 09:39 PM
Maybe he can take the Patriot Act with him. Oh yeah, and those drapes he tossed over the naked statues. I'll say this though - I was half expecting some sort of grand attack on Hollywood and porn and Playboy and all those sorts of things and it never materialized. Overall he did seem to mostly keep to enforcing the law and not his own personal morals. Maybe 9/11 kept him from doing it.

Vilepagan
11-09-2004, 10:50 PM
No tears shed here for Ashcroft. I just wish he'd take Rumsfeld and Thompson with him.

Imagineer
11-10-2004, 01:08 AM
I can't say I'm sorry to see him go. I would love to se Thompson gone as well, I spent to many years living with him as Governor of Wisconsin.
What scares me most is that Bush may try to appoint Ashcroft to the Supreme Court in the event of Justice Rehnquist's death. I know it would be a tough vote in the Senate to get him confirmed, but he might try it anyway.

Medea
11-10-2004, 08:32 AM
Goodbye, Mr. Asscroft. You won't be missed in the least. Unlike you, most of us do indeed enjoy our civil liberties. Then again, who knows what thing Bush will have the guy replaced with... it could be even worse.

BorgHunter
11-10-2004, 01:31 PM
Originally posted by Imagineer
I can't say I'm sorry to see him go. I would love to se Thompson gone as well, I spent to many years living with him as Governor of Wisconsin.
What scares me most is that Bush may try to appoint Ashcroft to the Supreme Court in the event of Justice Rehnquist's death. I know it would be a tough vote in the Senate to get him confirmed, but he might try it anyway.
Ashcroft would never make it through confirmation, but he could be used to draw a lot of heat and then Bush would try to sneak a lesser-known, more-right-wingnut guy through. The Democrats, too tired from keeping Ashcroft out, would probably end up letting him through.

DaveTooner
11-10-2004, 03:30 PM
Overall he did seem to mostly keep to enforcing the law and not his own personal morals. Maybe 9/11 kept him from doing it.

Or maybe... just MAYBE he wasn't the evil, power hungry, sheet wearing klan member that you liberals unfairly painted him as.

es347fan
11-10-2004, 04:04 PM
Asskroft is the scariest AG I can remember.

LionelHutz
11-10-2004, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by DaveTooner
Or maybe... just MAYBE he wasn't the evil, power hungry, sheet wearing klan member that you liberals unfairly painted him as.

I ain't no liberal Dave. But I don't like my freedoms being taken away and I don't like the government in my bedroom. Which used to be something the Republicans believed in . . .

DaveTooner
11-10-2004, 07:08 PM
Well you sure as hell aren't any conservative either. I guess most people would label you a moderate. I find moderates to be annoying as hell and I really think moderate, in most cases, is code for liberal.

HaVoK
11-10-2004, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by DaveTooner
Well you sure as hell aren't any conservative either. I guess most people would label you a moderate. I find moderates to be annoying as hell and I really think moderate, in most cases, is code for liberal. In most cases I agree with this assessment. But hearing Lionel's opinions for the last year of so, I have to say he leans a little to the conservative side.

Idioteque
11-10-2004, 07:43 PM
Originally posted by DaveTooner
Well you sure as hell aren't any conservative either. I guess most people would label you a moderate. I find moderates to be annoying as hell and I really think moderate, in most cases, is code for liberal.

He is a libertarian. I think Badnarik said it best, the lib in libertarian doesn't stand for lib eral, it stands for lib erty. You don't have to be a liberal to not want to see your civil rights taken away.

Blibblob
11-10-2004, 08:00 PM
Wrong root! Lib is not a word, and never has been one. Liber is the root! :D (Has been studying his latin lately) Anyways, it does mean liberty(freedom, etc.).

WhammyBar
11-10-2004, 09:31 PM
yyyaaayyyy!!!! ashcrofts gone!!!!!!! :D :D :D :drinktoth :banana:


i might live to see the day where my civil liberties return to me. this is VERY good news.:woohoo: :woohoo:

LionelHutz
11-10-2004, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by DaveTooner
I find moderates to be annoying as hell and I really think moderate, in most cases, is code for liberal.

More annoying than a staunch liberal?

DaveTooner
11-10-2004, 09:45 PM
Hard to say. Both annoying in different ways.

Idioteque
11-10-2004, 10:17 PM
Originally posted by WhammyBar
yyyaaayyyy!!!! ashcrofts gone!!!!!!! :D :D :D :drinktoth :banana:


i might live to see the day where my civil liberties return to me. this is VERY good news.:woohoo: :woohoo:

I wouldn't be so optimistic. Mr. Gonzalez wants to continue Ashcroft's "legacy".

NoFlakjacket
11-11-2004, 12:28 AM
What?!?
I don't believe a single one of you (living within the confines of the LAW) can honestly (and factully) state that your "civil rights" have been taken away, much less "diminished".... What is this based on? Everyone here needs to take a real good look at the things we say (especially here on ALLFORUMS) , the things we (YOU and ME) can still do in America..... What liberties lost? what rights? freedoms?
no party politics , tell me where John Ashcroft as the Atty Gen. has trampled on OUR "civil rights"

DaveTooner
11-11-2004, 10:33 AM
EXACTLY, Flak. Ashcroft sure hasn't done anything to make me change the way I live.

LionelHutz
11-11-2004, 11:10 AM
What difference does it make whether I've personally been affected? If (for example) the administration decided to shut down the newspaper in Des Moines for priinting articles critical of the administration, I shouldn't be bothered because I don't live there?

I'm just not real keen on the government being able to get wiretaps or check what books people checked out of the library just by going to a judge and saying "trust us - we think he's up to something, we just can't tell you." Or detaining people indefinitely without trial? Please.

Jester
11-11-2004, 07:01 PM
I say we all pay a musical tribute to outgoing Attorney General John Ashcroft:

(play cheesy background music)
Let the eagle soar,
Like she's never soared before!
From rocky coast to golden shore,
Let the mighy eagle SOOOOOOAR!

LionelHutz
11-11-2004, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by Jester
I say we all pay a musical tribute to outgoing Attorney General John Ashcroft:

(play cheesy background music)
Let the eagle soar,
Like she's never soared before!
From rocky coast to golden shore,
Let the mighy eagle SOOOOOOAR!

Congress should've rejected his nomination to be AG for that alone . . .

NoFlakjacket
11-12-2004, 12:45 AM
Lionel, I trust in your objective abilities to be able to assure anyone on here that you know that to be a "fact"..... 1st Amendment rights, freedom of the press and all.... I find that hard to believe..... sounds like a stretch bro...
What newspaper? when?

LionelHutz
11-12-2004, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by NoFlakjacket
Lionel, I trust in your objective abilities to be able to assure anyone on here that you know that to be a "fact"..... 1st Amendment rights, freedom of the press and all.... I find that hard to believe..... sounds like a stretch bro...
What newspaper? when?

No newspaper has been shut down - that was a "for example."

Skeeter
11-12-2004, 12:19 PM
This is a true story that I have written on many other forums, and I may have done it here before.. If not. here goes.

I was raised in Springfield, Missouri, and I still have four brothers and a sister there.. One brother, Gerald owns property(did)next to John Ashcroft's father, Robert Ashcroft. This was in early 1960's when son.. John Ashcroft was attending Hillcrest High School in north Springfield... There was a barb-wire fence line between my brother's property and father.. Robert Ashcroft property.
One afternoon in the fall of 1961 or 1962, my sister-in-law came home from her job at a bank, and found many, many cars in the driveway, and in front of the house, and many people in the back yard, and all over the property.
It seems younger son John had gone to school and told all that he had seen a "image" of Jesus Christ in a fence post of his father's property. And the news spread to all at school, and soon the news media had word of it also, and here they came.

For more then four days the people in the area came and trampled my bother's yard, day and night to witness this image of Jesus Christ (so was claimed by one individual..Johnny boy) that some say was there.

Then one night, someone cut the barb-wire and the fence post disappeared, (I wonder who would do that) and from that date on the mystery hasn't be solved as of today...

So now we wonder why one person appointed my "little tree 43" who wears is God on his sleeve, and has a Attorney General that sees the image of Jesus Christ in a fence post.

What in the world are we coming too?