Originally posted by philosophytara
ok.... Now My son is used to a certain way of life with certain rules and regulations... He stands in the corner his hands behind his back at the drop of a hat... He says please, thankyou, I'm sorry excuse me. He shares, he does chores, and he helps me whenever I am doing my chores. He tells me he loves himself and me. He loves and takes care of his cat. and he is always smiling and laughing. Now..... If I took him to Sunday School and they taught him about God that would confuse him, I am not sure where I stand on this whole "God" issue, how can I allow my son to be taught something that people blindly believe in without scientific proof?

Tara, I have seen numerous children go to Sunday school and they never came out confused at all. They are taught about God and the bible, but nothing is confusing about that. God is not a God of confusion. Confusion is not of God.

This world is filled with confusion and turmoil. Satan is refered to as the "god of this world" and that is where confusion comes from.

Tara, when I was a teenager, I messed up really bad despute coming from a decent home.and did many things I regret. I didn't have wisdom and didn't know how to deal with life. I had low self esteem.

If I had the Word of God in my life, I wouldn't have screwed my life up and made a mess out of my life. I would have had self respect, intgrity, and direction in life. I would have stayed away from a bad crowd and I wouldn't have become mouthy to my parents at times.

The prblem is that no-one where I went to school ever shared Christ and I wonder if there was any christians where I went to school. No-one ever showed christianity.I see quite a few youth these days that are christiasn serving the Lord, but where wer e they when I was growing up?

This is why it is important for christians to share the gospel and not hide it. Our light is to shine rather than be hidden. There is a lot of people who's lives are inturmoil and a lot of people who have a low self image. Many just don't admit that. They hide behind a mask pretending their someone they are not. They don't know how to be themselves and how to deal with life's circumstances.

Many are an emotional wreck. I read the testimony about Deon Sanders. Before he had Jesus, his life was in turmoil. He tried to kill himself by driving his sport utility vehicle off a cliff. It's when he found the Lord that his whole perspective on life changed.

Mr.T testified that God delivered him form cancer. He was in bad shape before God healed him.

Originally posted by philosophytara
OH no? Doesn't the easter bunny teach about new life? "like Jesus raising from the dead?

Dosen't Santa clause bring toys to all the good girls and boys? another way to explain to children about the Three wise men bringing gifts to baby jesus.

It seems there is a pattern here with Christians creating imaginary things to lie to our children about. Why shouldn't they ultimately come to the conclusion that God is imaginary as well?

Tara, Santa and the easter bunny are made up characters, but if you were to do research on Santa, the easter Bunny and Christmas and easter, you would be able to find that these holidays have pagan origins. There is nowhere in the bible that states what day Jesus was born on. And if you were to ask a pagan or a wiccan, they could tell you that. Christians did not creat these imaginary things to lie to our children. Society, however has bought into the fact that it is okay to tell them these things and it's just fun and games.

The easter bunny itself never taught new life. What does the easter bunny actually ever talk about Jesus? Where do you get any teaching from the easter bunny?


I do agree that people should not tell their children that santa or the eatser bunny is real. That is lying. And when they discover that it is not the truth, they may be disapointed. It is better to be straight up and out front that there is no such thing as Santa and the easter bunny. But socety doesn;t feel that way about it. they think it is okay and just fun and games.

Originally posted by the J Man



There is a lot of people who's lives are inturmoil and a lot of people who have a low self image. Many just don't admit that. They hide behind a mask pretending their someone they are not. They don't know how to be themselves and how to deal with life's circumstances.

Many are an emotional wreck. I read the testimony about Deon Sanders. Before he had Jesus, his life was in turmoil. He tried to kill himself by driving his sport utility vehicle off a cliff. It's when he found the Lord that his whole perspective on life changed.



Ok most of what you say is extreamly repetitive.... however I saved a few piece's I wanted to comment on. I am sure if Deon Sanders had been on possibly drugs that could stabalize his moods then his whole perspective on life could change as well.... I am sure after someone tries to kill themselves they are given theraphy and medicine, etc. Yes that would change our prespective on life, and the way we deal with things.... I seriously just can't digest the fact that when good things happen it is God's doing, and when bad things happen it's the devil... (blah blah) These "Fictional Characters" I still maintain is a bunch of malarky, a way for you to descripe something you can't explain... Oh it's a miracle! I am sure that there were a lot of miracles.. before we came up with scientific evidence to prove otherwise, and with the creation of the heavens and the earth, etc. it will only take time before we come to a reasonable conclusion.

I think it's interesting that many stories behind conversion to Christ involve being an "emotional wreck", "life off the rails", "turmoil".. etc etc

Should send a red flag

Originally posted
OH no? Doesn't the easter bunny teach about new life? "like Jesus raising from the dead?

Dosen't Santa clause bring toys to all the good girls and boys? another way to explain to children about the Three wise men bringing gifts to baby jesus.

It seems there is a pattern here with Christians creating imaginary things to lie to our children about. Why shouldn't they ultimately come to the conclusion that God is imaginary as well?

I personally think that Santa and the Easter Bunny is a way to cover up the true meaning of the Holiday. After all, rearrange the letters in Santa and you get....Satan.

Lol. (Yes, I stole that off Dana Carvey)

But you did bring up an interesting point...about how Santa reflects the wisemen...and Im not sure what you meant by it, but how the Easter Bunny represents life or whatever. If you believe this, tell me again, why is it bad for a child to use this to learn an invaluable lesson?

Originally posted by DrewM
I think it's interesting that many stories behind conversion to Christ involve being an "emotional wreck", "life off the rails", "turmoil".. etc etc

Should send a red flag

I think its a testiment to those that arent cowardly enough to admit they need a higher power to help them.

And it also demonstrates God's power to deliever us from anything.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks


But you did bring up an interesting point...about how Santa reflects the wisemen...and Im not sure what you meant by it, but how the Easter Bunny represents life or whatever. If you believe this, tell me again, why is it bad for a child to use this to learn an invaluable lesson?

Ok here is my reasoning behind this.... Basicaly we are teaching our children Religion behind the Guise of fictional Characters. I guess that's just to prepare them for the possibility that there is no God... :: A man dies and expects to find heaven and God :: Oh there isn't one? Oh well I should have seen it comming, I mean Santa claus, The Easter Bunny, The tooth Fairy. No big suprise when they find out there isn't a God.

Yeah, I'm sure this is what most parents are going for when they tell their kids about Santa. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by DaveTooner
Yeah, I'm sure this is what most parents are going for when they tell their kids about Santa. :rolleyes:


Hmmm? I'm not quite sure I can make sense of your statement... Would you care to elaborate?

Originally posted by DrewM
I think it's interesting that many stories behind conversion to Christ involve being an "emotional wreck", "life off the rails", "turmoil".. etc etc

Should send a red flag

O Drew, when people have things good, they tend to feel as if they don't need God. They couldn't care less about God and just wanna go on with their secular lives. it's amazing though, when things take a spiral downturn in their lives, many will call upon the Lord then. When they need something from God, that is when they turn to Him. It's when they realize that they really do need God.

Originally posted by the J Man
O Drew, when people have things good, they tend to feel as if they don't need God. They couldn't care less about God and just wanna go on with their secular lives. it's amazing though, when things take a spiral downturn in their lives, many will call upon the Lord then. When they need something from God, that is when they turn to Him. It's when they realize that they really do need God.

On the other hand, when people are frightened, desperate, lonely, or otherwise under a great deal of stress, is it reasonable to assume that their decision making powers are at their best?

Originally posted by the J Man
O Drew, when people have things good, they tend to feel as if they don't need God. They couldn't care less about God and just wanna go on with their secular lives. it's amazing though, when things take a spiral downturn in their lives, many will call upon the Lord then. When they need something from God, that is when they turn to Him. It's when they realize that they really do need God.

Yep desperate people do many things, some start drinking, some start taking drugs, some turn to a group of unwitting brainwashers who give them a solution on a plate and moral support through the brainwashing process.

Originally posted by philosophytara
Hmmm? I'm not quite sure I can make sense of your statement... Would you care to elaborate?

He is saying, that its kinda obsurd to think that parents are preparing their children to face the possibility of not having a God, when they teach their children about Santa.

I'm just saying that these Holidays weather you want to call them "pagan" or Christian. Do infact revolve around Religion. Which I was just pointing out a pattern between Christains and their belief in Imaginary beings.

Originally posted by DrewM
Yep desperate people do many things, some start drinking, some start taking drugs, some turn to a group of unwitting brainwashers who give them a solution on a plate and moral support through the brainwashing process.

And when people who are desparate turn to God with all theirhearts, God delivers them from the mess that they are in. They see the miraculous power of God straigthen out their lives when nothing else worked.

Originally posted by philosophytara
I'm just saying that these Holidays weather you want to call them "pagan" or Christian. Do infact revolve around Religion. Which I was just pointing out a pattern between Christains and their belief in Imaginary beings.


No. They SHOULD be based around religion.

Personally, I have no problem with Santa, and the Easter Bunny, and what have you....***IF*** The parents are teaching the childen the real meaning too.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
No. They SHOULD be based around religion.

Personally, I have no problem with Santa, and the Easter Bunny, and what have you....***IF*** The parents are teaching the childen the real meaning too.
Funny you should mention that. Easter, and even Christmas to some degree...have pagan origins.

Well, regardless, it is accepted as a time to recognize the birth and death of our savior, Jesus Christ.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
Well, regardless, it is accepted as a time to recognize the birth and death of our savior, Jesus Christ.


you say that with such conviction. I mean accepted by Christians, not as a whole.

Really now?

I know many, many, and even more people who are not Christians, who still recognize Christmas and Easter as celebrating the birth and death of Christ respectivelly.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
Really now?

I know many, many, and even more people who are not Christians, who still recognize Christmas and Easter as celebrating the birth and death of Christ respectivelly.

ok.. now I'm slightly confused.... Isn't the defination of Christian believeing in christ? What are non Christains doing celebrating the birth and death of Jesus if they don't believe in him?

Originally posted by philosophytara
ok.. now I'm slightly confused.... Isn't the defination of Christian believeing in christ? What are non Christains doing celebrating the birth and death of Jesus if they don't believe in him?
I am not a Christian, and yet I think that the amount of evidence is overwhelming for the existence of a man named, at the very least, Jesus Christ, who was a Jewish prophet of sorts.

As for why I celebrate Christmas...it's tradition, dammit! :)

Originally posted by philosophytara
ok.. now I'm slightly confused.... Isn't the defination of Christian believeing in christ? What are non Christains doing celebrating the birth and death of Jesus if they don't believe in him?

You dont have a very good grasp on what it means to be a Christian.

Being a Christian means you accept Christ into your heart as your personal savior and redeemer. You live as close to a sanctified life as you can manage...and when you do slip up, he will be there to forgive you.

You are also in a posistion to be used by the King of Kings and Lord of Lords to do service in his name.

There is a big difference between a believer and a Christian.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks





There is a big difference between a believer and a Christian.

ok what is the difference... dosn't a christian believe in Christ?

Did you not read my post....

Being a Christian means you accept Christ into your heart as your personal savior and redeemer. You live as close to a sanctified life as you can manage...and when you do slip up, he will be there to forgive you.

You are also in a posistion to be used by the King of Kings and Lord of Lords to do service in his name.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks


There is a big difference between a believer and a Christian.

ok... maybe I am a little thick headed or something...... but dosen't a believer and a Christian both believe in Christ?

YES!!!!

But merely believing in Christ does not make you a Christian.