U.N. head Kofi Annan has warned America, Britain and Iraq against launching an assault on Falluja, as Iraq's prime minister says that time is running out.

In the article, it is stated that Annan is worried about jeopardizing elections being held in January. At the end of the article, the UN also warns about allowing Iraqis from outside the country being allowed to vote. This too, they say, jeopardizes elections. Both of these suggestions stink. Attacking Falujah will obviously hurt the insurgents, who are constantly terrorizing the rest of the Iraqi population. Who would be against that, except for the insurgents, and their allies? Also, not allowing the Iraqis from outside Iraq to vote? Why not?? We allow Americans that are not in the US to vote, and we don't have a problem with it. Are they worried that the Iraqis that are travelling abroad would lean towards supporting a candidate that would be more likely to hurt the insurgents?

Could the UN have their own agenda? Are they again being bribed? I'm finding that I have less and less trust in them.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/11/06/iraq.main/index.html

I think that the assault on Fallujah will begin soon. Militarily it is neccessary, but there will inevitably be civilain casualties.

The allowing of expatriate Iraqi's to vote is an interesting dilema. Many have lived abroad for decades. The largest contingent are Shiites who moved to Iran. The problem of electoral fraud is going to be hard to solve. Do they simply take the word of any Iranian who claims to be from Iraq? Millions of Shiite votes could be added fraudulently to the total, giving control of the government to an Iranian backed theocracy. This would be a disaster for U.S. policy.

Originally posted by Karankawa
In the article, it is stated that Annan is worried about jeopardizing elections being held in January.

Could the UN have their own agenda? Are they again being bribed? I'm finding that I have less and less trust in them.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/11/06/iraq.main/index.html

The UN and the Euroweenies want us to lose and now they are telling us what to do to lose. But will we listen to losers?

old reb

They need to attack and get it over. There can be no pansy assing around. What is the UN's solution - rush in with a boquet of flowers?

I think Kofi Annan is under the mistaken impression that John Kerry won the U.S. election.

I hope Bush pays no attention to those weak-kneed, bribe-taking,self-serving (Leaders) in the United Nations.
The news says that half the civilians have evacuated and the other half, if smart, are packing. Now clean out this nest once and for all.

If the U.S. had listened to Kofi Annan in the first place, Iraqis wouldn't have had the right to vote at all. I think it's a bit late for Kofi to tell the U.S. how to run the elections in Iraq. Dammit!

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
If the U.S. had listened to Kofi Annan in the first place, Iraqis wouldn't have had the right to vote at all. I think it's a bit late for Kofi to tell the U.S. how to run the elections in Iraq. Dammit!
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Good point... suddenly he's an expert on the rights of the Iraqis.
Didn't give a damn as long as Sadaam paid the bribes.(speaking of Kofi Annan and the oil for food bribes to U.N.)

Mr Fussell,

Thank you for being an expert on what my positions are on world views. However, you need a follow up course to say the least. As I'm one of those God-damned Americans who feels every single dictatorial thug on the planet needs to get dead as soon as it can be arranged.

Also, I believe every person on the planet should have the same rights, freedoms and dignities that we enjoy here in the U.S.

I believe that Kofi Anan is a worthless pile of excrement.

I pray for the day that every time the news does a report on the U.N., they play that tune from the Mos Eisley Cantina just to reflect my view on how worthless the U.N. really is.

Also, about the bribes, I'm still waiting for the check. I guess the cheaper gas coming from Iraq now that it's free will have to do. Dammit.

I'm with ya Darth... where is that damn check??? Where is all that damn oil for blood?? heh heh heh...

Oh GOD please, let us level that shithole............ No shock and awe....no poitically correct trash.... no high tech shit... Demolish it..... You wanna see smart wepons? Watch the ground pounders in action... Watch the U.S. war macine in action..... Snipers puttin rounds in some Islamic extremists forehead.... I'd love to see what they see in their sights.... Buliding to building... house to house... room to room... This is what I've been waitin for.... This is what they've been waitin for. To hell with all the high tech macinery , and Kofi Annan better not be anywhere in the area(of couse he won't..) , stand by.......

I pray for the day that every time the news does a report on the U.N., they play that tune from the Mos Eisley Cantina just to reflect my view on how worthless the U.N. really is.

OMGZ!!!! LMAO!!!! YOU WIN QUOTE OF THE DAY!!!!

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
Mr Fussell,

Thank you for being an expert on what my positions are on world views. However, you need a follow up course to say the least. As I'm one of those God-damned Americans who feels every single dictatorial thug on the planet needs to get dead as soon as it can be arranged.

Also, I believe every person on the planet should have the same rights, freedoms and dignities that we enjoy here in the U.S.

I believe that Kofi Anan is a worthless pile of excrement.

I pray for the day that every time the news does a report on the U.N., they play that tune from the Mos Eisley Cantina just to reflect my view on how worthless the U.N. really is.

Also, about the bribes, I'm still waiting for the check. I guess the cheaper gas coming from Iraq now that it's free will have to do. Dammit.
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Darth, go back and re-read my addition on previous post. I believe you mis-understood my agreement with your post.

Mr Fussell,

My bad, I'm terribly sorry about that one. I DID misunderstand your posting, I thought you were talking about ME, but apparently you were talking about Kofi Anan and the U.N. *Mos Eislely Cantina theme starts playing.* Please accept my apologies.

Originally posted by NoFlakjacket
Oh GOD please, let us level that shithole............ No shock and awe....no poitically correct trash.... no high tech shit... Demolish it..... You wanna see smart wepons? Watch the ground pounders in action... Watch the U.S. war macine in action..... Snipers puttin rounds in some Islamic extremists forehead.... I'd love to see what they see in their sights.... Buliding to building... house to house... room to room... This is what I've been waitin for.... This is what they've been waitin for. To hell with all the high tech macinery , and Kofi Annan better not be anywhere in the area(of couse he won't..) , stand by.......

The action began after sundown on the outskirts of the city, which has been sealed off by U.S. and Iraqi forces, and the minaret-studded skyline was lit up with huge flashes of light.

Flares were dropped to illuminate targets, and defenders fought back with heavy machine gunfire. Flaming red tracer rounds streaked through the sky from guerrilla positions inside the city, 40 miles west of Baghdad.

Before the assault began, U.S. commanders warned troops to expect the most brutal urban fighting since the Vietnam War.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041108/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq&cid=540&ncid=716

Originally posted by Darth Be'lal
Mr Fussell,

My bad, I'm terribly sorry about that one. I DID misunderstand your posting, I thought you were talking about ME, but apparently you were talking about Kofi Anan and the U.N. *Mos Eislely Cantina theme starts playing.* Please accept my apologies.
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No problem Darth :)

Just call me Dan we are not formal here!

The lesson with Falujah is the US should have flattened it back in April when they had the standoff - it would be over now.

The Powell doctrine should have been followed - overwhelming force.

I thought it amusing that they said that they were waiting on the Iraqi presidents green light - sure they were. Any green light came from Bush maybe through that guy but thats about it.

I read somewhere that the hanging of the americans on a bridge in Fallajah caused us to react emotionaly and start an attack that we weren't really prepared for.

But then again, I heard the marines were ready to go in but the Iraqis made a peace deal and it was decided that we made a big mistake in not making Baathist Generals in charge as soon as we took Iraq. Well, after the peace deal with Fallajah, I think those Baathist generals, officers and enlisted men we put in charge, took off with our training and weapons and went back to fighting us.


old reb

Originally posted by DrewM
The lesson with Falujah is the US should have flattened it back in April when they had the standoff - it would be over now.

The Powell doctrine should have been followed - overwhelming force.

I thought it amusing that they said that they were waiting on the Iraqi presidents green light - sure they were. Any green light came from Bush maybe through that guy but thats about it.


In Fallujah, U.S. troops were advancing more rapidly than in April, when insurgents fought a force of fewer than 2,000 Marines to a standstill in a three-week siege. It ended with the Americans handing over the city to a local force, which lost control to Islamic militants.

This time, the U.S. military has sent up to 15,000 U.S. and Iraqi troops into the battle, backed by tanks, artillery and attack aircraft. More than 24 hours after launching the main attack, U.S. soldiers and Marines had punched through insurgent strongholds in the north and east of Fallujah and reached the major east-west highway that bisects the city.

I hope all the libs that constantly accuse the US of "reckless abandon" and killing of civillians take note: The US a few days ago ordered all women and childeren out of the city. Doesn't sound like a military that doesn't care about civillian casualties.

Hey DrewM,
maybe after the U.S. is finished with Fallujah (round 2) you can give us another "lesson"..... Our best bet, kill every one of those pieces of shit..... forego the "POW" issues, the lega/lawsuit issues..... Save ourselves the time and trouble, kill em' all in Fallujah........
Keep in mind, all the liberals and "peace lovers" didn't want it to be a complete slaughter.... U.S. forces were moving entirely too fast making their way for Baghdad..... But hey, nothing wrong with a lil "sping cleanin" in November.....