By PETE YOST, Associated Press Writer

LOS LUNAS, N.M. - Vice President Dick Cheney said Sunday that Sen. John Kerry's first response to Osama bin Laden's new videotape was to take a poll to find out what he should say about it.

A spokesman for Kerry's campaign did not deny polling on the bin Laden videotape, but suggested President Bush has done so. Bush's campaign strategist denied asking any poll questions about the al-Qaida terrorist.

Asked whether Kerry's polls included questions about the videotape, Lockhart said, "We don't talk about our internal polls."

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20041031/ap_on_el_pr/cheney_37&printer=1

again the classic democrat tactic of accusing your opponent of exactly what it is you are currently being accused of. kerrys service being attacked? go out and rehash the bush NG service. Kerry accused of flip flopping? go out and accuse bush of flip flopping. kerry attacked for polling the bin laden tape response? just say bush polled the bin laden tape too. its almost comical.

This morning a spokesman for the republican campaign admitted that they had also taken a poll that asked about how to respond to the Osama tape. Going on to say that this is a well known tactic used by all campaigns for what is referred to as "October surprises".

Poor old gw tries once asgain to twist the facts to make kerry look bad and ends up showing his true nature. A liar who will say anything to get elected.

your complete 100% opposite view of everything I see and hear amazes me.

It'w well known that bush took a poll before he allowed the video to be shown.

It's called politics.

Dop

ya, well known among nutjob conspiracy theorists maybe, but its also well known among them that we have bin laden already captured. when exactly was bush going to spring him on us again dop?

Originally posted by Echo2
This morning a spokesman for the republican campaign admitted that they had also taken a poll that asked about how to respond to the Osama tape. Going on to say that this is a well known tactic used by all campaigns for what is referred to as "October surprises".

Poor old gw tries once asgain to twist the facts to make kerry look bad and ends up showing his true nature. A liar who will say anything to get elected. Do you have a link showing what you are claiming Echo? Brooks provided one when he made his claim. Why didnt you?

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
It'w well known that bush took a poll before he allowed the video to be shown.

It's called politics.

Dop Once again Dop, how about providing some proof when you make these statements?

Havok -- how about using a little common sense ... do you really think the tape was played on TV without the presidents approval? Doesn't that mean he had posession of the tape well before kerry knew of it's existence. What do you think they were doing? Flipping a coin on whether to air the tape or not? Again ... it's called politics.

Dop

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
It'w well known that bush took a poll before he allowed the video to be shown.

It's called politics.

Dop

Actually ABC News had the tape first. They debated showing it so close to the election (probably knowing that anything that references bin Laden helps the President). The administration had no say in its release.

and if it came out after the election that bush was sitting on this tape and not releasing it dop would be shitting his pants too. you cant make dop happy, he will find something to bitch about no matter what, and claim he knew it all along

Originally posted by Brooks
Actually ABC News had the tape first. They debated showing it so close to the election (probably knowing that anything that references bin Laden helps the President). The administration had no say in its release. Like the saying goes. Sometimes common sense isnt so common. It never is, it seems, in Dop's case.

Yeah sure brooks -- after what happened to Dan Rather, I'm sure ABC will air a UBL tape without having it completely vetted for national security. Geeesh ... you have to be kidding that the president doesn't have any say in airing that tape.

Dop

after what happened to dan rather, thats freaking hilarious. you mean after waht dan rather did and got caught doing

And you call us conspiracy theorists. Trav you seem to believe anything negative you hear about JK and deny everything negative you hear about GW. The truth is that anyone who makes it to that level of power isn't playing by the rules that the rest of us do. Politics is a dirty business and it is even dirtier on the federal level.

you guys all sound like reasonable people....until you try and seperate bush's bs. from kerry's bs.....its all bs, and the fact that you try and make kerry's seem worst, dont say a lot for the intelligence factor we're suppose to use. i am not gonna call bush a flipflopper if kerry's one, i'll find something else to say. but you guys try and make one pile of shit smell like shit, and the other pile of shit smell like roses. brooks said that ,its what this forum is all about isnt it ? i say, a splash of reasonable thinking wouldnt hurt. travh says that kerry is always taking things said about him, and turning it on bush............and bush doesnt do that ? give me a break, they dont know you before the election, and they wont know your ass after it.........keep on defending bullshit, it only makes you look dumb !

Speaking of BS -- anyone tune in Rush this AM?

Here's his beauts for today

Osama is the head of the Democratic Party

God will make it rain in democratic precints and not rain in republican precincts -- orchestrated by Rove no doubt.

Big turnout is a total myth. Yeah all those people voting are a figment of our imaginations. LOL

The Washington Redskins game was thrown by the refs. ROTF

Dop

If you can't tell when someone is being tongue-in-cheek it's time to turn off the radio.

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
Yeah sure brooks -- after what happened to Dan Rather, I'm sure ABC will air a UBL tape without having it completely vetted for national security. Dop

In the past ABC has played the tapes unauthenticated with a disclaimer. Why the delay with this one.

Probubly because it wouldn't matter what ABC did. The republicans would find a reason to call it bias. They have this idea that ther media is bias twords them. ROTFLMAO! It's all the medias fault that half the voters hates dubbya and his administration it has nothing to do with their lies and general incompetance. It's all the media and especially dan rathers fault.

This doesn't sound bias to you?

Memo from Mark Halperin, head of ABC news political coverage:


It goes without saying that the stakes are getting very high for the country and the campaigns - and our responsibilities become quite grave

I do not want to set off (sp?) and endless colloquy that none of us have time for today - nor do I want to stifle one. Please respond if you feel you can advance the discussion.

The New York Times (Nagourney/Stevenson) and Howard Fineman on the web both make the same point today: the current Bush attacks on Kerry involve distortions and taking things out of context in a way that goes beyond what Kerry has done.

Kerry distorts, takes out of context, and mistakes all the time, but these are not central to his efforts to win.

We have a responsibility to hold both sides accountable to the public interest, but that doesn't mean we reflexively and artificially hold both sides "equally" accountable when the facts don't warrant that.

I'm sure many of you have this week felt the stepped up Bush efforts to complain about our coverage. This is all part of their efforts to get away with as much as possible with the stepped up, renewed efforts to win the election by destroying Senator Kerry at least partly through distortions.

It's up to Kerry to defend himself, of course. But as one of the few news organizations with the skill and strength to help voters evaluate what the candidates are saying to serve the public interest. Now is the time for all of us to step up and do that right.

You're prolly right -- bush doesn't need to poll bin laden -- he knows everything about him and that's why he ignored all the pre-9/11 intelligence, sat in a florida school reading my pet goat and let the twin towers go down while the pentagon burned and people were shot out of the sky over a field in pennsylvania.

Dop

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
You're prolly right -- bush doesn't need to poll bin laden -- he knows everything about him and that's why he ignored all the pre-9/11 intelligence, sat in a florida school reading my pet goat and let the twin towers go down while the pentagon burned and people were shot out of the sky over a field in pennsylvania.

Dop Every time I read one of your posts I hear the theme music to "The Twilight Zone" playing inside my head. I bet you were picked on a lot growing up, werent you?

Originally posted by Echo2
Probubly because it wouldn't matter what ABC did. The republicans would find a reason to call it bias. They have this idea that ther media is bias twords them. ROTFLMAO! It's all the medias fault that half the voters hates dubbya and his administration it has nothing to do with their lies and general incompetance. It's all the media and especially dan rathers fault.


your partly right, it is the doing of the media that kerry has most of the support he does. a great portion of the democrat base are completly ignorant and get all of their news from TV. they tend to believe what they hear on TV, and its now secret the news media is slanted democrat. 85% of media types are registered democrat. So, what we have with the media is in essence what would equal billions of dollars in free democrat campaign ads. without the media their side, the democrats would never hold power again. their following would be people liek you and dop and freethinker. the great unwhased masses, seeing a truly non biased media, would not believe all the complete crap the DNC puts out that the "objective"media feeds to them as actual news.

FOX news will say anything and they don't care if it is true or not.

The reps have been whining about the news media for ages. everytime they loose they whine about it. But of course it isn't biased when they win. Time to get a new scape goat for your party. The only people who see a bias are republicans. Hey, you guys think you are so much smarter than democrats, why not fix the problem instead of whining about it everytime you loose. Maybe because you can't fix something that isn't broken.

Originally posted by Echo2
The reps have been whining about the news media for ages. everytime they loose they whine about it.

Hey, you guys think you are so much smarter than democrats, why not fix the problem instead of whining about it everytime you loose. Can anyone explain to me how someone can "loose" something?

Why? would you like to take a shot at picking on me?

Havok the shrink.

ROTFLMAO

Dop

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
Why? would you like to take a shot at picking on me?

Havok the shrink.

ROTFLMAO

Dop I wouldnt have picked on you growing up Dop, I was the boy who always sat in his seat reading a book on the bus. I also wasnt trying to act like a shrink with my comment. That was a too subtle (i guess) way of telling you that you are one strange dude.

Originally posted by Echo2
why not fix the problem instead of whining about it everytime you loose.

Yeah. Nothing's worse than an entire group of people that whines and moans about something that happened many years ago. Like for instance when your chosen presidential candidate loses and you pathetically complain about it for the next four years.

hearing echo lecture me about conservative media bias is like Ben Affleck telling me how to make good movies.......it doesnt work.

Originally posted by HaVoK
I wouldnt have picked on you growing up Dop, I was the boy who always sat in his seat reading a book on the bus. I also wasnt trying to act like a shrink with my comment. That was a too subtle (i guess) way of telling you that you are one strange dude.
I'll second that notion!!!

Originally posted by HaVoK
Can anyone explain to me how someone can "loose" something?
She's just writing about what she's familiar with...:)

Originally posted by The Praetorian
She's just writing about what she's familiar with...:)

Nice play on words prae. :)

Originally posted by Echo2
FOX news will say anything and they don't care if it is true or not.

kind of like dan rather and the new york times?

From "A Study of Media Bias" by UCLA, Stanford University, Harris School of Public Policy and the University of Chicago.

"One of the most curious and surprising statistics in all of American politics is that an overwhelming number of journalists are liberal. For instance, Elaine Povich (1996) reports that only seven percent of all Washington correspondents voted for George Bush in 1992, compared to 37 percent of the American public.1 Lichter, Rothman and Lichter, (1986) and Weaver and Wilhoit (1996) report similar findings for earlier elections."

http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:tCEKSNVW-OYJ:mason.gmu.edu/~atabarro/MediaBias.doc+drudge%3F&hl=en

its funny how the ignorant democrat rock heads always scream fox news, when fox news has never been busted for fake stories or trying to pass off fake documents. tell us echo, what proof do you have fox news has tried to sway anything? have the made up fake news storys about kerry? have they tried to pass fake documents to show kerry as something less then he claims to be? the fact is, you ignore the overwhelming evidinece of obvious bias towards kerry by the major medisa in order to focus your anger at one network who you cant prove has done enything but say things you dont want to hear.