America was truly a great country befor we decided we could go it alone.We are trying to take God out of everything.If you read your bibles you will see as long as we put God first we had everything.Now we say "if it feels rigth do it"We are headed down a path of distruction with George Bush as our leader.If he gets back in office we desearve whats comeing next.:hitout:

goldy, would the people that did not vote for him "deserve it" to ?

the statement contraidicts itself....mostly democrats hate religion involved in politics, but the fact is that if you are a full-pledged christian, that is what dominates your life, so then it will of course show in your decision making.

Most of the Republicans i talk to like religion and agree that it shouldn't be totally shunned.

The statement makes it seem as if Bush is taking religion out of everything.....well that couldnt be more wrong. Democrats dont like religion....They are way to arrogant and egotistical to have to think that someone else controls them(at least some of them are).

"If it feels right, do it" sounds like the liberal motto of today's youth. And if they think hard enough they can come up with an excuse to do it....remember its the dems who don't want any ethics, modesty, or morals in the world either(well, some of them don't).

Originally posted by goldy
America was truly a great country befor we decided we could go it alone.We are trying to take God out of everything.If you read your bibles you will see as long as we put God first we had everything.Now we say "if it feels rigth do it"We are headed down a path of distruction with George Bush as our leader.If he gets back in office we desearve whats comeing next.:hitout:

George Bush does profess to be a christian and claims to be in prayer daily. He has even testified that God delivered Him from alcoholism.

Whether or not Bush is a true christian, or just using that as a cover-up, let God be the judge. a nation that has been blessed so much by God then turns it's back on God and wants nothing to do with God, will suffer the consequences. Many think they can be self-sufficient, but how wrong they are. Sin leads to destruction.

God is merciful, however, and forgivesd those who repent and trust Him as Lord and saviour. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.

Originally posted by the J Man
George Bush does profess to be a christian and claims to be in prayer daily. He has even testified that God delivered Him from alcoholism.

Whether or not Bush is a true christian, or just using that as a cover-up, let God be the judge. a nation that has been blessed so much by God then turns it's back on God and wants nothing to do with God, will suffer the consequences. Many think they can be self-sufficient, but how wrong they are. Sin leads to destruction.

God is merciful, however, and forgivesd those who repent and trust Him as Lord and saviour. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.


Amen J man!!!

remember its the dems who don't want any ethics, modesty, or morals in the world either(well, some of them don't).

And some reps want thier morals to be everyone's morals.

Democrats dont like religion.

Wrong!

Many think they can be self-sufficient, but how wrong they are. Sin leads to destruction.

What about those of us who don't sin, can we be "self-sufficient"?

everyone sins

Another topic for another thread on another forum.

Originally posted by dnamertz
What about those of us who don't sin, can we be "self-sufficient"?

According to your standards you don;t sin, but it's God's standard that matters. Everyone of us has sinned and falled short

According to your standards you don;t sin, but it's God's standard that matters. Everyone of us has sinned and falled short

If "everyone" has sinned then what is the point? So are you saying that everyone is violating God's laws? Heaven must be very empty.

Please explain some things to me.

If we are all born with original sin, then how come religious people call fetus's "innocent babies"? My undersatanding of christianity is that we are all born with original sin and we will all sin throught our lifes. If one follows that reason no one is innocent.

Why would anyone want to participate in a religion that you can't exceed at? If we are all sinners, then why even bother to not sin? It seems the deck is stacked against us from the beginning.

Maybe that is where the religious get their victim attitudes.

Originally posted by dnamertz
And some reps want thier morals to be everyone's morals.



Wrong! It's not so much that republicans want others to have their morals, its that we want people to have some morals. There is a difference.



Are you religeous dna? If so, what do you believe in?

you guys have some very defeatist attitudes on religion.....im hearing "what is the point" and "why bother"....its not about helping an old lady across the street that gets you into heaven, its about a personal relationship with God. Satan is more abundant in the world today than ever, and he easily decieves people every day. In this whole equation its all about who you know..and if you know God...you'll go to heaven.

Echo posted: If we are all born with original sin, then how come religious people call fetus's "innocent babies"? My undersatanding of christianity is that we are all born with original sin and we will all sin throught our lifes. If one follows that reason no one is innocent.

The thought that we are born into sin is debateable. When we are first created are we already sinful? No way to even begin to prove that either way. The whole thing about abortion is basically us doing God's job. It's not our job to decide who lives and who dies. Everyone should get a chance to live.

Why would anyone want to participate in a religion that you can't exceed at? If we are all sinners, then why even bother to not sin? It seems the deck is stacked against us from the beginning

I dont know where you heard that you can't exceed at religion echo, that is a very foreign concept to me. While i struggle with my walk with God, my brother is living proof that when you humble yourself and give your life up to God, he will use you and smile upon you. My bro has been actively seeking and learning for YEARS, and is to the point where visions come to him, and his prayer is really strong. Ive felt small touches of this, but nothing like he has described. It takes ALOT of time and practice to become so aquainted with prayer and God. But once you do, the rewards are incredible.

Are you religeous dna? If so, what do you believe in?

I do not practice any religion...I would call myself agnostic. I think there is a chance that some type of supreme being might exist or a chance that one may not exist. As for what I believe in, I believe in being a good person because that is how I was raised.

im hearing "what is the point" and "why bother"....its not about helping an old lady across the street that gets you into heaven, its about a personal relationship with God.

You are hearing "what is the point" because the message from some is that God does not care if you sin as long as you repent. To me that is alarming...what if our law worked that way? You can say "everyone breaks the law, so the important thing is not to follow the law, but just to repent if you do".

But once you do, the rewards are incredible.

What is the reward?

Originally posted by dnamertz



You are hearing "what is the point" because the message from some is that God does not care if you sin as long as you repent. To me that is alarming...what if our law worked that way? You can say "everyone breaks the law, so the important thing is not to follow the law, but just to repent if you do".



God does care if you sin. Sin is what separates us from God. By accepting Jesus, there is forgiveness. Since we are all human, we all do miss the mark sometimes. We all sin even those who are saints of God. No-oe is perfect. When we sin, we are to ask God to forgive us and cleanse us of all unrighteousness.

Being forgiven does not mean that sin is now okay. It is not okay. God hates sin. He loves us, but hates our sin. The grace of God does not give us a licence to sin. God wants us to live righteously. It's just that when we do something we shouldn't have or said something we shouldn't have said or even thought stuff that is unrighteouss, we can go to God and ask for forgiveness and repent.

In the bible, the woman caught in adultry where the pharisees questioned Jesus about stoning here, Jesus had said "who that is without sin, cast the first stone." Jesus forgave that woman and showed mercy to her. He then went on to say, "go and sin no more." In otherwords, she is to change her way of living and repent from her sinful lifestyle.

Originally posted by Decka


I dont know where you heard that you can't exceed at religion echo, that is a very foreign concept to me. While i struggle with my walk with God, my brother is living proof that when you humble yourself and give your life up to God, he will use you and smile upon you. My bro has been actively seeking and learning for YEARS, and is to the point where visions come to him, and his prayer is really strong. Ive felt small touches of this, but nothing like he has described. It takes ALOT of time and practice to become so aquainted with prayer and God. But once you do, the rewards are incredible. [/B]

Very well said Decka! God desires our praise and worship and that we spend time with Him in prayer.