Yeah..........great job!!! :mad:

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10/30/04 : 1120!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (http://icasualties.org/oif/)

lol.....last time i checked it was the terrorists who were killing the soldiers....not president bush.....

Hey, maybe John Kerry is over there shooting american soldiers? LOL

lol Decka...Kerry and his guns

Originally posted by Decka
lol.....last time i checked it was the terrorists who were killing the soldiers....not president bush.....

Hey, maybe John Kerry is over there shooting american soldiers? LOL
Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.......don't forget about the one where they say "The Iraqis love us, for saving them. (http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm)" :rolleyes:


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Yeah.......how thankful they must be, after we picked THEIR country for our front-line, in the bogus War-against-terrorism!!!! ;) ;) ;)

Personally I'm getting really tired of our troops being blown-up -- not killed in action by being shot or hand to hand combat but *BLOWN-UP* with munitions that could not have been used against them if they were guarded instead of using all the troops that day to guard the oil ministry.

These people that are continually letting our troops be sitting ducks are in for one hell of a karma bitch slap some day.

Dop

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
Personally I'm getting really tired of our troops being blown-up -- not killed in action by being shot or hand to hand combat but *BLOWN-UP* with munitions that could not have been used against them if they were guarded instead of using all the troops that day to guard the oil ministry.

These people that are continually letting our troops be sitting ducks are in for one hell of a karma bitch slap some day.

Dop
Sounds like Lil' Dumbya is on the Right-track!! (http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4921.shtml) :D

I was gonna suggest another case of Alzheimers, but his actions haven't matched Reagan's carnage (http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ronald_Reagan/Reagan_Guatemala.html), in Central America.

Nahhhhhhhhh........being a burnt-out alcoholic should take him far!!!! :p

Shaman, don't you think that posting the names or the number of our KIA soldiers on a political forum to help make one of your points is somewhat selfish?

Originally posted by Decka
lol.....last time i checked it was the terrorists who were killing the soldiers....not president bush.....

Hey, maybe John Kerry is over there shooting american soldiers? LOL ! thats funny huh.....

Originally posted by Brooks
Shaman, don't you think that posting the names or the number of our KIA soldiers on a political forum to help make one of your points is somewhat selfish?
After seeing what happened, during 'Nam........Stay the course seems too much like a fatalist's-trip.

When do you draw the line......especially when you're in someone else's backyard???

Shaman, glad to see you posting the number of people that the Islamic fanatics are causing the death of by fighting our troops and killing innocent people.
It they would lay down their weapons and stop fighting our troops would eventually come home.

Originally posted by Mr. Shaman
After seeing what happened, during 'Nam........Stay the course seems too much like a fatalist's-trip.

When do you draw the line......especially when you're in someone else's backyard???

UMMM, is that a no?

Originally posted by Dan Fussell
Shaman, glad to see you posting the number of people that the Islamic fanatics are causing the death of by fighting our troops and killing innocent people.
It they would lay down their weapons and stop fighting our troops would eventually come home. your asking a people, who's country WE invaded, to lay down their weapons ? to them WE are the insurgents. just because you can show some people from iraq who wants us there, there are also some people who DONT want us there. and they are wrong because WE say they are wrong ? well NOT TO THEM ! to them WE ARE WRONG. so no matter how you cut it, it will not end with them laying down their weapons.........now, come up with another solution, because that one is not gonna work !

Originally posted by Dan Fussell
Shaman, glad to see you posting the number of people that the Islamic fanatics are causing the death of by fighting our troops and killing innocent people.
Keep that in-mind........when armed-people come thru your front-door.........comin' after YOU!! :@@:

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"I'm sorry for running under your bombs......"

Originally posted by korg
your asking a people, who's country WE invaded, to lay down their weapons ?

Most of the insurgency is not composed of Iraqis. This isn't recent news.

Originally posted by Brooks
Most of the insurgency is not composed of Iraqis. This isn't recent news.

This may or may not be true. I've heard a lot of references to "foreign fighters" but no hard numbers. This also doesn't change the fact that if the Iraqi people were solidly against these people the insurgents would find it very difficult to operate in Iraq.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
This may or may not be true. I've heard a lot of references to "foreign fighters" but no hard numbers. This also doesn't change the fact that if the Iraqi people were solidly against these people the insurgents would find it very difficult to operate in Iraq. THANK YOU !!!!! you republicans have all of the answers....huh ? 86 % of the iraqi people want us out, but i guess its only the republican numbers that count !

Originally posted by Brooks
Most of the insurgency is not composed of Iraqis. This isn't recent news. TOLD TO YOU BY WHO !?? get real ! , how in hell can you believe that we know how many iraqi's are in this or not, when saudi's bombed us, and we're chasing people in iraq..... ? hell , we dont even know where to be, let alone, know one iraqi from a saudi !.....keep believing that bs, you will soon no longer need your own mind ! we cant tell a saudi from an iraqi.....so who's counting for you !???

Originally posted by korg
your asking a people, who's country WE invaded, to lay down their weapons ? to them WE are the insurgents. just because you can show some people from iraq who wants us there, there are also some people who DONT want us there. and they are wrong because WE say they are wrong ? well NOT TO THEM ! to them WE ARE WRONG. so no matter how you cut it, it will not end with them laying down their weapons.........now, come up with another solution, because that one is not gonna work !
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50,000 more troops

Originally posted by Dan Fussell
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50,000 more troops that will work !!......

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mr. Shaman
Keep that in-mind........when armed-people come thru [b]your front-door.........comin' after YOU!! :@@:
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This Is AFTER we fail to defeat them in Iraq, right Shaman!!

If the Iraqi people didn't want the insurgents, they would make it harder for them to exist and continue their damage. Face it, these people didn't want our kind of democracy. They are not willing to fight for it now and they will never be willing to defend it. We can cram it down their throats by force but it will not last unless we stay there and continue to force feed it to them. And as long as we are there, they will continue to fight with and allow the insurgents to kill our forces. The people of Iraq do not want us in their country. PERIOD.

This war of dubbyas is the biggest fiasco we have ever gotten into. It even tops Vietnam in it's stupidity. Not only is it wrong, it is poorly planned it has also been poorly executed. And we have had no real goal. First it was to find WMD, then Chemical weapons, then terrorists, then to bring freedom to the people. It just keeps changeing. Attacking another country without a firm goal in mind is pure stupididty.

The non-Iraqi numbers are based on captured fighters, mostly during al Sadr's insurgency (one of the few times there were face to face combatants)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Echo2
[B] Face it, these people didn't want our kind of democracy. They are not willing to fight for it now and they will never be willing to defend it.
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You may be right Echo, for if we are not prepared to fight for democracy what kind of example are we showing them?

what kind of government do they want echo? should we put saddam on the ballot and if they vote for him let him out? your so wrapped up in your own crap you actually believe people want to not be free. ya, right. "sign me up for oppression, I want o be oppressed, where do I vote?"

I have asked this before and was ignored, now let me ask you directly echo: In saddams iraq, how exactly do you start a revolt to fight for your freedom? he has spies everywhere, no one knew who was a spy for saddam and who wasnt. how do you organize enogh people to launch an effective revolt if you cant trust anyone outside your immediate family? in all of your glorious intelligence you never look at reality. they couldnt fight for it. try reading 1984, how would those people overthrow the governemtn? they couldnt organize. neither could the iraqis, saddam had them so freaked out and paranoid they didnt dare even speak of revolt.

Originally posted by Travh20
what kind of government do they want echo? should we put saddam on the ballot and if they vote for him let him out? your so wrapped up in your own crap you actually believe people want to not be free. ya, right. "sign me up for oppression, I want o be oppressed, where do I vote?"

I have asked this before and was ignored, now let me ask you directly echo: In saddams iraq, how exactly do you start a revolt to fight for your freedom? he has spies everywhere, no one knew who was a spy for saddam and who wasnt. how do you organize enogh people to launch an effective revolt if you cant trust anyone outside your immediate family? in all of your glorious intelligence you never look at reality. they couldnt fight for it. try reading 1984, how would those people overthrow the governemtn? they couldnt organize. neither could the iraqis, saddam had them so freaked out and paranoid they didnt dare even speak of revolt.
Very well-said, Trav. I don't often agree with you, but you have a very good point here.

Bush stated very clearly when he was running for president the first time that he did not believe the United States should be nation building. Yet here we are, trying to build Iraq into the nation WE want it to be.

Trav, we could have taken Sadam out other ways than taking our nation and others to war.

How do you know for sure that the Iraqi people wanted to be free? They never had been, so they had no idea what they were missing. They never asked for it, no one ever snuck out and went to other countries pleading for help. Understand, many of the Iraqi people have computers and e-mail. No one ever set up a blind web site about how bad they were being treated, no one sent messages to American congressmen or leaders of other countries asking for help for their country. And even now, after we have taken out Sadamn. I haven't seen any thank you web sites from them. All I have seen is the peple of Iraq not cooperating with the coalition and ignoring or helping the insurgents.

And as to your question about how could the Iraqi people have gotten their own freedom....many ways. They could have asked other nations for help - they didn't. They could organize an underground - they didn't. But the real answer to your question is that if they truly wanted freedom they would be helping us get the insurgents rather than turning a blind eye to it. It is pretty obvious to people paying attention that the so called "liberated Iraqi's" don't want what we are offering them. They want us out of their country and out now.

Originally posted by Echo2

Not only is it wrong, it is poorly planned it has also been poorly executed.

How much of the country (percentage-wise, population-wise, I don't care) is hostile right now. If you don't know you really can't make that claim.

wow. I cant believe what I just read. how can someone be any more ignorant then the person who posted that crap you just posted echo? Do you have any concept of what Saddams Iraq was like echo? did you see fareneheit 9-11 and think that it was a nice place where people fly kites and live great lives? you are obviously completly clueless. Go read the book titled 1984 and get a clue. I am still amazed that you hink since they never lived in freedom that they were happy living under saddam. that just about takes the cake as far as say anything partisan statements goes. The Iraqis wanted to be ruled by terror and fear! tehy liked it! they never set up a web site saying how bad it was! we all know saddam would have hosted these web sites himself had the iraqis wanted to set them up right echo. :rolleyes: