Get ready to barf. Kerry, the quintessential red socks fan (even though when asked to name his favorite Red socks player named a man who wasn’t even on the team) Is using the red socks victory in his stump speech, saying someone called a radio talk show and said he wont be president until the red socks win the world series. He then predictably carried on about hw they just did, and how that proved he should be president, and with the fakest enthusiasm in world history cried out “we are on our way, we are on our way” I was reaching for the garbage can.

Oh.

I thought when you said --"get ready to puke"--, it might be the story of how George Bush laughed and made fun of a woman that was about to be put to death in Texas.

(note; the reason being that that particular incident, recounting the actions of a politician, was the one that came closest to making me physically ill)

But then, I guess poking fun of a condemned woman pales in comparison to Kerry's RedSox speech.

If you really want to get physically ill go listen to reserve naval officer John F Kerry’s 1971 senate speech and subsequent actions, including meeting with our enemies in a foreign country during a time of war. Ya, that will make you blow chunks, and I am not talking about your dog Chunks either

Originally posted by Freethinker
Oh.

I thought when you said --"get ready to puke"--, it might be the story of how George Bush laughed and made fun of a woman that was about to be put to death in Texas.

(note; the reason being that that particular incident, recounting the actions of a politician, was the one that came closest to making me physically ill)

But then, I guess poking fun of a condemned woman pales in comparison to Kerry's RedSox speech. Tell me, did you get physically ill when Clinton executed a retard? In 1992, Clinton left the campaign trail to preside over the execution of a man so mentally impaired that he asked that the dessert from his final meal be put aside so he could eat it when he returned. Ricky Ray Rector was his name. Good luck finding much on his case. I found nothing from the major news media on it. However i did find this interesting article on how the major news outlets covered the Texas execution and barely ever mentioned the Arkansas execution. Hmmmmm......



Unfair Reporting Tactics? (https://secure.mediaresearch.org/news/reality/2000/Fax20000623.html) I'll leave everyone to come to their own conclusion on why one execution got all the coverage.

Originally posted by HaVoK
Tell me, did you get physically ill when Clinton executed a retard? In 1992, Clinton left the campaign trail to preside over the execution of a man so mentally impaired that he asked that the dessert from his final meal be put aside so he could eat it when he returned. Ricky Ray Rector was his name. Good luck finding much on his case.

I remember it well.

I talked about it in a discussion board at the time.

And yes, it was sickening. Nowhere near as sickening as it would have been if Clinton had ---like Bush--- gone public and LAUGHED about the pending execution, though.

I am no fan of Clinton's.

Far too much of a conservative for me, and far too willing to bend over and take it up the #*% from the Republican theives in Washington.....

Havok is still tryng to denagrate clinton in a fruitless attempt to help gw and his death cult look good. Give it a break, slick willie has been out of office for four years. But I guess anything to take the focus off of bush laughing at a woman about to be beheaded is considered OK.

Slick willie is a has been. Try looking at the awfull stuff the CURRENT president has been doing. Or are you aflicketed with the gw disease - that being an inability to notice mistakes unless they are from a democratic politician.

"All life is sacred" - George Walker Bush

And yet he laughs at people about to be beheaded, sends soldiers to their death in a war of choice and backs the death penalty. Yep, he believes life is sacred.

I think the democrats like to use Clinton as much as republicans. Instead of responding to whatever it was the Clinton mention was in reference to they can just say “there you go again, attacking Clinton” and avoid the issue all together. 99% of the time these “attacks” on Clinton are not just done to attack Clinton, they are used to show your hypocrisy or to prove another point. Using the last president from the opposing political party is a good way to do this. I am sure if kerry winds the Bush attacks will carry on well into the next 4 years.

Originally posted by Echo2

"All life is sacred" - George Walker Bush

And yet he laughs at people about to be beheaded, sends soldiers to their death in a war of choice and backs the death penalty. Yep, he believes life is sacred.

Like most American believers in the sky-god, he regards his life and his beliefs and his interests as sacred......and fuck everyone else.

Originally posted by Freethinker
I remember it well.

I talked about it in a discussion board at the time.

And yes, it was sickening. Nowhere near as sickening as it would have been if Clinton had ---like Bush--- gone public and LAUGHED about the pending execution, though.

I am no fan of Clinton's.

Far too much of a conservative for me, and far too willing to bend over and take it up the #*% from the Republican theives in Washington..... This makes no sense to me. Who cares if he laughed at that murdering piece of shit? You are talking about Karla fay Tucker right? She of the double homicide by pick axe? Step right up karla to this execution bed, by the way, I havent hurt your feelings in any way have I? I hope not, here let me stick you with this needle. Now lay back dear. Hope your stay with us is a comfortable one.

Why are liberals so threatened by the “sky god”? Is having something absolute as right and wrong to frightening to the shades of gray crowd? Afraid you may have to confront your conscience instead of being able to explain away everything with a shades of gray answer? Just curious. What exactly do you believe in asshole freethinker?

Originally posted by HaVoK
This makes no sense to me. Who cares if he laughed at that murdering piece of shit? You are talking about Karla fay Tucker right? She of the double homicide by pick axe? Step right up karla to this execution bed, by the way, I havent hurt your feelings in any way have I? I hope not, here let me stick you with this needle. Now lay back dear. Hope your stay with us is a comfortable one.
Absofreakenlutely! Good post, Havok.

Originally posted by Echo2
And yet he laughs at people about to be beheaded, sends soldiers to their death in a war of choice and backs the death penalty. Yep, he believes life is sacred.
And you've made Nazi and slavery jokes - what's your point?

Originally posted by HaVoK
This makes no sense to me. Who cares if he laughed at that murdering piece of shit? You are talking about Karla fay Tucker right? She of the double homicide by pick axe? Step right up karla to this execution bed, by the way, I havent hurt your feelings in any way have I? I hope not, here let me stick you with this needle. Now lay back dear. Hope your stay with us is a comfortable one.

Yes, lets all join the liberals and weep tears for the double pick axe murderer and at the same time celebrate the “right” to murder millions of the only truly innocent among us.

Originally posted by Travh20
If you really want to get physically ill go listen to reserve naval officer John F Kerry’s 1971 senate speech

First of all Trav, most of the abuse in Vietnam is recorded. The claims Kerry made in his speech to the Senate were 100% correct. The fact that you don't understand that there was atrocities in Vietnam and our troops acting in-human is only showing your ignorance.

The Republicans love to say that Kerry made all the claims in the Senate Speech. Yet, Kerry was only the representative of the Vietnam Veterans for Peace. Almost all the claims made in his speech to congress where not his. He was just the representative, who was reading all the claims made by that group.

You are wrong, and a liar. You keep using this to try and trash Kerry, and you are wrong. Face it...Trav...you are a liar.

Oh, go fellate him already, OD. :rolleyes: Kerry's a liar, and so is Bush. The only difference is Kerry's a directionless, douche bag liar, and Bush is an opportunistic liar. Big difference.

oh, i am sorry OD, I could have sworn that was kerry up there talking shit about mass, coordinated attrocities commited by US troops. never mind. the fact that he just repeated what others said with absolutly no proof is even better. and the fact that these people maybe had an agenda he happily parroted is of no concern. I apologize for tarnishing your golden idol OD.

Only 5 days left . . .

Personally, I don't think mentally retarded people should be exempt from the death penalty. If they are going around and committing pre-meditated murder, I think they should pay the price. Incidentally, I think if a 10 year old did the same thing, I think he should be elligible for capital punishment.

Murder is a serious offense. I don't understand people that defend it.

Trav you are sickening. I already explained this to you, and the fact that you don’t understand simple concepts is so ridiculous

Originally posted by Travh20
oh, i am sorry OD, I could have sworn that was kerry up there talking shit about mass, coordinated attrocities commited by US troops.
Yes, John Kerry was the representative of the Vietnam Veterans for Peace. He was reading the claims made by everyone in that group. They were not his personal claims; they were all the claims by most of the men in Vietnam Veterans for Peace. They were not his words; they were the words of the men in the Vietnam Veterans for Peace. He just reported them to Congress.

So, no, you can’t blame Kerry for the claims, for they were not his. He was just representing the claims by that organization to Congress. What part of that do you not understand? Are you insane? Do you not understand simple concepts such as, quoting people?

Originally posted by Travh20
never mind. the fact that he just repeated what others said with absolutly no proof is even better.
No proof? Have you ever watched the history channel Trav? There were atrocities in Vietnam, just like in almost every war. No proof? Is eyewitnesses not enough for you? There were atrocities, period.

Originally posted by Travh20
and the fact that these people maybe had an agenda he happily parroted is of no concern. I apologize for tarnishing your golden idol OD.
What agenda? The fact that this was a wrong war…to be fighting and none of our business? That agenda…oh, okay!

Originally posted by Travh20
Yes, lets all join the liberals and weep tears for the double pick axe murderer.......

Karla Faye Tucker never weilded the pick axe. She was involved in the murder, but did not personally commit the murder.

She became a Christian while in prison, and begged for mercy. The Pope himself tried to persuade Bush not to execute her.

The thing that Bush was ridiculing her for was the fact that she WAS begging for mercy....

.....and the fact that you and other Righties can NOT see what is wrong --- unbelievably WRONG-- with the elected official (the governor) who signs the death warrant publicly ridiculing the condemned person tells me everything I need to know about why this country is so despised and feared by the other countries around the world.

The Pope himself tried to persuade Bush not to execute her.

The Pope is vehemently against the death penalty. He constantly asks for executions to stop.

And if we excused every prisoner who converted to Christianity, what do you think will happen?

The Pope is vehemently against the death penalty. He constantly asks for executions to stop. So does every other Democracy in the world. What do they all see that we don't?
I say HANG EM HIGH. After all, the death penalty has given the Lone Star State the LOWEST CRIME RATE in the FREE WORLD!!! YEEEE DAWGS!!

That's false:

Death Penalty Permitted

Afghanistan
Antigua and Barbuda
Bahamas
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belize
Botswana
Burundi
Cameroon
Chad
China (People's Republic)
Comoros
Congo (Democratic Republic)
Cuba
Dominica
Egypt
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Ethiopia
Gabon
Ghana
Guatemala
Guinea
Guyana
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Jamaica
Japan
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Korea, North
Korea, South
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Lebanon
Lesotho
Liberia
Libya
Malawi
Malaysia
Mongolia
Morocco
Myanmar
Nigeria
Oman
Pakistan
Palestinian Authority
Philippines
Qatar
Rwanda
St. Kitts and Nevis
St. Lucia
St. Vincent and the Grenadines
Saudi Arabia
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Somalia
Sudan
Swaziland
Syria
Taiwan
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Thailand
Trinidad and Tobago
Uganda
United Arab Emirates
United States of America
Uzbekistan
Vietnam
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe

Death Penalty Permitted in Exceptional Cases

Albania (2000)
Argentina (1984)
Armenia (2003)
Bolivia (1997)
Brazil (1979)
Chile (2001)
Cook Islands (n.a.)
El Salvador (1983)
Fiji (1979)
Greece (1993)
Israel (1954)
Latvia (1999)
Mexico (n.a.)
Peru (1979)
Turkey (2004)

I've also seen an article before that shows Canadians and most Europeans favor a death penalty. And of course, 70% of Americans are in favor.

I’m glad we feel the same way about the death penalty as many of the quote “less civilized nations” (aside from Japan and a few others) Yes, good examples to take after…hahah

Originally posted by Karankawa
The Pope is vehemently against the death penalty. He constantly asks for executions to stop.

And if we excused every prisoner who converted to Christianity, what do you think will happen?

I certainly did not mean in any way to suggest that this society excuse every prisoner who converts to Christianity.

I was just noting that the Pope tried to persuade Bush not to execute her.

The real point is this;

What kind of human being would stoop to publicly ridiculing a condemned prisoner who is begging for mercy???

Answer; the darling of the RightWingers.

Kawabunga: notice the use of the word "Democracy" in the post above; I wasn't really interested in what the evil dictators were doing.In contrast to Japan, the movement to abolish the death penalty has never stopped in the rest of the world. According to a survey taken by Amnesty Japan, as of January 1, 2003, the number of nations that have abolished the death penalty is 112, and the number of nations still practicing it is 83. Among the developed nations, though, only Japan and the United States still have the death penalty. Shukan Kinyobi, December 12, 2003. (http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=17&ItemID=6368)

Over half the world and virtually all of north and south America and a few European countries don't matter, I guess. I won't bother looking for those Canadian and European surveys then.

I guess Karankawa thinks that nations like Kazakhstan, North
Korea, Zimbabwe, and Iran are comparable to first world countries and have democratic governments. No wonder he is a Bush supporter.

damnit, only white anglo countries count as civilized, didnt you know that karankawa? its all europe, all the time baby. the diverse politically correct liberals among us have no qualms about caling every non white country in the world (and the US) 2nd rate and un civilized.

if bush is the best president to secure our safety, why did we get bombed under his watch ?does this make sense ? thats the biggest lie he's telling. we have proof that he cant protect us, and HE WAS WARNED !. so why is it that you guys think that kerry is not fit,WHEN THERE IS NO PROOF OF THAT , YET, and when the one thing that happened in this country, happened under bush's watch ? no insulting answers please, i think that this is a legitimate question.

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by korg
if bush is the best president to secure our safety, why did we get bombed under his watch ?does this make sense ? thats the biggest lie he's telling. we have proof that he cant protect us, and HE WAS WARNED !. so why is it that you guys think that kerry is not fit,WHEN THERE IS NO PROOF OF THAT , YET, and when the one thing that happened in this country, happened under bush's watch ? no insulting answers please, i think that this is a legitimate question.

so if kerry wins and we get hit 9 months after he takes office is it his fault or bushs fault?

EXACTLY...

Originally posted by Travh20
so if kerry wins and we get hit 9 months after he takes office is it his fault or bushs fault? If, God forbid, Kerry were to win the election, anything bad that may happen during his term will be blamed on "the sorry state of affairs the former president left us in". Mark my words...

of course, and clinton also left a note for bush on his desk warning him about bin laden

not one of you, not one, gave an ANSWER to the damn question........A-FUCKING-MAZING.

Originally posted by korg
if bush is the best president to secure our safety, why did we get bombed under his watch ?

Because he actively WANTED this country to be bombed by terrorists.

The warnings were urgent and numerous, yet BushCo did everything in their power to steer the intelligence community ---as well as the air force bases that would normally have responded-- away from thwarting the threat.

The evidence is clear and irrefutable.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/

Originally posted by Freethinker
Because he actively WANTED this country to be bombed by terrorists.

The warnings were urgent and numerous, yet BushCo did everything in their power to steer the intelligence community ---as well as the air force bases that would normally have responded-- away from thwarting the threat.

The evidence is clear and irrefutable.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ Next time just say No. And mean it.

Korg, the reason that Trav, Praetorian, and Havok didn't answer your question was because they don't have an answer.

All they have is rhetoric like "all democrats are communist, America-hating, politically correct, bleeding-heart liberals who are just waiting for a chance to sell this country down-the-river", and other nonsense like that.

Originally posted by Freethinker
Because he actively WANTED this country to be bombed by terrorists.

The warnings were urgent and numerous, yet BushCo did everything in their power to steer the intelligence community ---as well as the air force bases that would normally have responded-- away from thwarting the threat.

The evidence is clear and irrefutable.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ thank you for answering the question.........damn, cant get a str8 answer from these guys, and what makes it so bad, this is what they claim the dems do......i guess politics is politics......AND NO ONE'S ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER

Originally posted by Vilepagan
Korg, the reason that Trav, Praetorian, and Havok didn't answer your question was because they don't have an answer.

All they have is rhetoric like "all democrats are communist, America-hating, politically correct, bleeding-heart liberals who are just waiting for a chance to sell this country down-the-river", and other nonsense like that. It's simple why i dont answer. I think anyone who believes Pres. Bush knew the towers were going to be attacked beforehand is a crackhead. I was just trying to avoid a confrontation with someone I believe is either a drug addict or mentally impaired to believe the shit he, and others, write.

Not only that, but every single one of you dipshit liberals jump all over Pres Bush saying "we were attacked under his watch", conveniently leaving out the FACT that terrorists really started amping up their attacks against the United States while Klinton was in office. In fact, an attempt to bring down the towers barely failed under his watch.

Originally posted by HaVoK
It's simple why i dont answer. I think anyone who believes Pres. Bush knew the towers were going to be attacked beforehand is a crackhead. I was just trying to avoid a confrontation with someone I believe is either a drug addict or mentally impaired to believe the shit he, and others, write.

If you don't have an answer, then don't answer, but when you respond with irrelevant insults it makes you look like a fool.

Not only that, but every single one of you dipshit liberals jump all over Pres Bush saying "we were attacked under his watch", conveniently leaving out the FACT that terrorists really started amping up their attacks against the United States while Klinton was in office. In fact, an attempt to bring down the towers barely failed under his watch.

Right...you imply 9/11 was Clinton's fault, and it's the "liberals" who are dipshits...brilliant.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
If you don't have an answer, then don't answer, but when you respond with irrelevant insults it makes you look like a fool.


Right...you imply 9/11 was Clinton's fault, and it's the "liberals" who are dipshits...brilliant. I implied nothing. I think the fault lies totally with the cowardly pieces of shit who flew those planes into a building filled with innocent men, women, and children. I merely pointed out the hyporcrisy among you libs. But nice try.

Right, I look foolish for calling these conspiracy theorists idiots.

9-11 was all of our fault. you cant really blame bush or clinton. neither one did enough to combat terrorism. you can argue that clinton had more time and plenty of attacks to use as his "last staw" to finally get serious, but we were all complacent right up until those planes hit the tower.

Originally posted by HaVoK
Right, I look foolish for calling these conspiracy theorists idiots.

HaVok, I think some of Freethinker's ideas are off-the-wall too, but what makes you look foolish is that to you, anyone who's a liberal must agree with Freethinker's ideas.

Kerry, the quintessential red socks fan (even though when asked to name his favorite Red socks player named a man who wasn’t even on the team)

I keep hearing Kerry get criticized for not knowing whether a player is on his favorite team....can you tell me which player he named? Unless it was some huge star that even the casual baseball fan knows is not on the Red Sox, then I don't see the big deal about this. I've been an LA Dodger fan all my life and when I grew up I watched or listened to almost every game and knew EVERY player on the team and most of the other teams in the National League. But now that I'm older and live a busier life, I hardly have the time to follow baseball and can honestly say that I can't name most of the players on my favorite team...especially in this era when players change teams every year, but I'm still a big fan. So, unless Kerry was saying Barry Bonds or Derek Jeter was a Red Sox then whats the big deal?

but every single one of you dipshit liberals jump all over Pres Bush saying "we were attacked under his watch",

I know I've never claimed that, so does that make me a "non-dipshit" liberal...or was that another one of your EXAGERATIONS?

Originally posted by Travh20
9-11 was all of our fault. you cant really blame bush or clinton. neither one did enough to combat terrorism. you can argue that clinton had more time and plenty of attacks to use as his "last staw" to finally get serious, but we were all complacent right up until those planes hit the tower.

Trav, that has to be the most intelligent and reasonable post I've ever seen you make.

:drinktoth

Originally posted by Travh20
9-11 was all of our fault. you cant really blame bush or clinton. neither one did enough to combat terrorism. you can argue that clinton had more time and plenty of attacks to use as his "last staw" to finally get serious, but we were all complacent right up until those planes hit the tower. dammit travh......i agree !....lol

Originally posted by HaVoK
It's simple why i dont answer. I think anyone who believes Pres. Bush knew the towers were going to be attacked beforehand is a crackhead. I was just trying to avoid a confrontation with someone I believe is either a drug addict or mentally impaired to believe the shit he, and others, write.

Not only that, but every single one of you dipshit liberals jump all over Pres Bush saying "we were attacked under his watch", conveniently leaving out the FACT that terrorists really started amping up their attacks against the United States while Klinton was in office. In fact, an attempt to bring down the towers barely failed under his watch. my question was not to say that bush knew it, my question was to find out what makes him a "america safe" president when it happened on his watch ? but he had warning,.. and for you to imply that im on something because i asked the same question YOU WOULD HAVE ASKED IF IT WERE A DEM PRES, is selfrighteous, and hypocritical......

Originally posted by HaVoK
I but every single one of you dipshit liberals jump all over Pres Bush saying "we were attacked under his watch", conveniently leaving out the FACT that terrorists really started amping up their attacks against the United States while Klinton was in office. I. so with that being said, besides going to war, which is something anyone can do, what has HE done to prove that he's the best president for our safety, over kerry who had ACTUAL combat and war experience ?.....just a question.....not an accusation !!

You can throw a retard into combat, and if he survives, are we supposed to make him our wartime president because he completed 1/3 of his tour?

Hey, after all, he's had experience, right? :rolleyes:

You can throw a retard into combat

Not when the retard goes into the Texas National Guard.