Give me two reasons why being gay is wrong and I shall give you two reasons why Alyssa Milano is better than Shannen Doherty...

And by the way, she's not :D

Milano is much hotter than Doherty.

Milano sucks. Doherty all the way! :D

The only valid reason is "It's against my religion". Other than that, I can't think of a single reason.

And since it's not against my religion, I don't think there's a single thing wrong with it!

Its an abomination against God. Its wrong.

Thats not to say, they shouldnt be treated as humans, and be given their rights, but ultimately, the sin will be between them and the lord.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
Its an abomination against God. Its wrong.

Thats not to say, they shouldnt be treated as humans, and be given their rights, but ultimately, the sin will be between them and the lord.
So it's against your religion. My point still stands!

And not only is it against my religion, but it is against God's command.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
it is against God's command.
...Which is a part of your religion!

Doesnt change the truth in it....just because you fail to believe in it, doesnt change the fact that it is an abomination.

Besides religion, one reason some people use occasionally is that gays can't reproduce, hence with more homosexuals in the world comes lower birth rate, and ultimately that endangers the race's future existance. (The problem with this is it will label not just homosexuals but everyone who do not plan to reproduce as being "wrong")

I also don't have any problems with homosexuals whatsoever, that's just my observation.

Other than those reasons, people usually say they are not comfortable with gays for various reasons, without getting into the tiresome argument of what's right and wrong. "I can't say it's wrong, but it just makes me uncomfortable", that seems to be a very common mentality.

jerejere, this is the kind of thing that answers the other threads question as to why people are so against religion.

Your god has told you it is an abomination. And you have a perfect right to believe in your god and what he tells you. HOWEVER, 2/3rds of the worlds population does not believe in your god. And many who do believe in your god interpret his scripture to meen something other than your interpretation.

You can tell people that your religion sees it as an abomination and so do you. But to imply that your religion and your interpretation of your religious scripture is the only right way is wrong. When you say things like just because you fail to believe in it, doesnt change the fact that it is an abomination.
you are telling people that their beliefs are wrong.

Religion is a very personal thing to most people. I know that you don't like people telling you your religion is wrong. So why do the same thing to others? Believe what you want, but don't insult other peoples beliefs by telling them they are wrong.

And now I will get off my high horse and appologise to you for the many times I have told you that your religion is wrong. (Damn I hate crow).

LOL, I thank you for the politness in your post, Echo.

On the issue of homosexuality...I will say this.

Last night John Kerry said something that I very much agree with, and that is this. Although, our particular faiths, may say that homosexuality is a wrong practice and although we believe it isnt the natural thing we do, we as Americans are to accept them as Americans.

I do not agree with taking away their rights. I do not believe in homosexual marriage, but I do believe in the same rights. I believe that if gays love each other, they should be entitled to the same rights as a man and a woman.

Beyond that, I think the rest is between them and God.

People that are practicing homosexuality, they need deliverance from it. Only by the power of God, can they be delivered.

God created man to be with woman. dam to be with Eve. Marriage is to be a union between one man and one woman. Any sexual relations outside of that is out of the will of God. Homosexuality as well as adultry, pornography, lust, and premartial sex is sin. It is displeasing to God.

God does love everyone and desires that all people repent and come to know Him as Lord and saviour. God also rquies us to love one another. Homosexuals deserve to be treated as human beings and deserve human rights.

It is awful that many people in this world treat homosexuals as disgusting, horrible people. I have seen people make fun of them and belittle them. No-one should have to be treated that way.

I agree with J-Man's Post (sorry, Borg)

I find it sickening that in order to please gays, you have to be for gay rights, and to please just about anyone else, you have to be against it.

It is a sin. But its a sin by them against God. Its not going to single-handedly end this earth, and we are told that we live in a world of constant sin.

I also fing it amazing that if we don't agre with homosexuality, we get accused of hating gays. Acceptance of someone does not mean you have to agree with their lifestyle. I certainly do not hate gay people and gay people desrve to be treated with the same respect as other humans beings do. What they do need(just like anyone else) is Jesus. And they need deliverance.

Nowadays, if you say that a certain practice is wrong, it is automatically looked upon as hatred. What if there were people who felt that motorcycles were wrong and felt they shouldn't be allowed? Would they get accused of hating people who drive motortcylces? Would they be in danger of being charged with a hate crime for simply saying they don't agree with motortcylces?

Wow I didn't think my forum would get THAT Kind of debate.

My forum: :hitout:

What I thought it would be: :mad:

Wow:D

Homosexuality is not a choice -- not entirely. There is significant research that indicates that one has no more control over their choiice of sexual attraction than they have over the color of their eyes. The ones saying the behavior is an abberation of the Almighty's word, never seem to talk about many other conditions that one has absolutely no control over ... like MS, or sickle cell anemia.
The bible thumpers seem to forget - or ignore - the age old rule of "... do unto others ...." - in their vehement attacks on homosexuality.

Whether homosexuality is a choice shouldn't even need research backing, if we are looking at the issue casually. All you need to do is this: get to know or even make friends with gays who will be honest to you, then ask them whether it was a choice or not. That the majority of gays lie about it (which is the claim of those against gays) is a really silly idea.

Of course, in another thread I already said I believe while the majory of gays are born that way, a small number aren't.

No offense, but I don't think god cares about the whole homosexual thing right now. I'd be more concerned with the war...and I bet he is too...

Homosexuality isnt a concern to God, eh?

He was concerned enough about it to place it in his word that it is an abomination against him.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
Homosexuality isnt a concern to God, eh?

He was concerned enough about it to place it in his word that it is an abomination against him.
"1 And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. 2 And Saul took him that day, and would let him go no more home to his father's house. 3 Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul. 4 And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle." (1 Samuel 18:1-4)

"But Jonathan Saul's son delighted much in David" (1 Samuel 19:2)

"Then Saul's anger was kindled against Jonathan, and he said unto him, Thou son of the perverse rebellious woman, do not I know that thou hast chosen the son of Jesse to thine own confusion, and unto the confusion of thy mother's nakedness?" (1 Samuel 20:30)

"And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded." (1 Samuel 20:41)

"I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women." (2 Samuel 1:26)

Borg...

Even if this is demonstrating that they may have been homosexual, it is surely not advocating it. Actually, it calls it preverse and wrong.

Originally posted by revenG_DeSire
No offense, but I don't think god cares about the whole homosexual thing right now. I'd be more concerned with the war...and I bet he is too...

God cares about our hearts being right with Him. He wants us to live pure and Holy lives. When it comes to sex, sex is meant to be a union between a married man and a married woman. Anything outside of that is sexual perversion and against His will for our lives.

Originally posted by the J Man
God cares about our hearts being right with Him. He wants us to live pure and Holy lives. When it comes to sex, sex is meant to be a union between a married man and a married woman. Anything outside of that is sexual perversion and against His will for our lives.
Then why did he make sex so enjoyable? Also, why did he make people homosexual, if that is wrong?

God made sex enjoyable because it was a reward to married couples. And God did not make homosexuality, homosexuality is a product of Satan.

It is a son of the father of sin.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
Its an abomination against God. Its wrong.


But didn't God create all of it, and also create satan while he was at it?

What type of game is that?

Maybe God needs therapy.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
God made sex enjoyable because it was a reward to married couples. And God did not make homosexuality, homosexuality is a product of Satan.

It is a son of the father of sin.
Satan creates people and alters their personalities now? When did this happen?

Originally posted by DrewM
But didn't God create all of it, and also create satan while he was at it?

What type of game is that?

Maybe God needs therapy.

Satan chose to rebel against God along with 1/3 of the angels. he gave them that choice just as he gives us a freewill to accept Him or reject Him.

Did Satan fly out of heaven in the Millenium Falcon?

Originally posted by DrewM
Did Satan fly out of heaven in the Millenium Falcon?
He made the Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs. :D

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Satan creates people and alters their personalities now? When did this happen?

I didnt say he created people, and its really rather silly of you to pretend as though I did.

Now, does Satan alter personalities? Absolutely. Satan will do whatever he can do to knock us off our free path to Heaven.
Homosexuality is something seeded inside peoples minds by the Devil.

What's the point of free will if you can't excercise it?

Basically you are saying that we have free will but unless we freely choose one specific path then we are doomed.

Sounds like blackmail to me.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
I didnt say he created people, and its really rather silly of you to pretend as though I did.

Now, does Satan alter personalities? Absolutely. Satan will do whatever he can do to knock us off our free path to Heaven.
Homosexuality is something seeded inside peoples minds by the Devil.
Why doesn't God stop Satan from doing this?

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
Homosexuality is something seeded inside peoples minds by the Devil.

Where in the Bible does it say this?

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
Now, does Satan alter personalities? Absolutely. Satan will do whatever he can do to knock us off our free path to Heaven.
Homosexuality is something seeded inside peoples minds by the Devil.

I appreciate that you believe this to be true, but isn't this like saying you saw a UFO? It's like intelligence gets suspended when it comes to this type of stuff. Take a step back, take off your Christian hat and put on a hat of reason. Doesn't it seem a bit fanciful to say the least?

What is heaven anyway? How does the seeding occur? Does this mean that the queer eye for the straight guys are all going to hell or are the devils agents even though they have helped all those people?

What if a gay person does something positive for somebody else - is the good deed part of Satans masterplan?

Doesn't it say in the Bible that satan loses - why does he even bother?

What if Satan repented using his free will - would all the Gay people turn straight?

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Why doesn't God stop Satan from doing this?

He does. There are many of us out here that know homosexuality is wrong, and believe what the bible tells us.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
He does. There are many of us out here that know homosexuality is wrong, and believe what the bible tells us.
That's not what I asked. Why doesn't God just stop Satan from making gays, if that's indeed what Satan does?

Originally posted by Vilepagan
Where in the Bible does it say this?

One can easily link this.

The bible says that homosexuality is a sin. The Bible tells us they we are formed in the image of the all holy God. Satan is the father and producer of sin.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
That's not what I asked. Why doesn't God just stop Satan from making gays, if that's indeed what Satan does?

Thats something youll have to ask God.

However, God did destroy Soddom and Gamorah for its wickedness.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
Thats something youll have to ask God.

However, God did destroy Soddom and Gamorah for its wickedness.
Cop-out.

Btw, spell your own damned (pun intended) cities correctly. "Sodom" and "Gomorrah".

Originally posted by DrewM
I appreciate that you believe this to be true, but isn't this like saying you saw a UFO? It's like intelligence gets suspended when it comes to this type of stuff. Take a step back, take off your Christian hat and put on a hat of reason. Doesn't it seem a bit fanciful to say the least?

It is not always easy to understand everything, but luckily we have the word and daily talks with the lord to help us understand.


Originally posted by DrewM
What is heaven anyway?

An eternal paradise where can all spend eternity with Jesus while suffering no afflictions, pain, sadness, or regret.


Originally posted by DrewM
Does this mean that the queer eye for the straight guys are all going to hell or are the devils agents even though they have helped all those people?[

What if a gay person does something positive for somebody else - is the good deed part of Satans masterplan?

I do not think Gays are bad people. I think highly of Vile and OD and have gay friends.

I welcome their friendship. Their homosexuality is no bigger a sin that any other, but it still is, a sin.

Originally posted by DrewM
Doesn't it say in the Bible that satan loses - why does he even bother?

What if Satan repented using his free will - would all the Gay people turn straight?

Satan is a very prideful and jealous being. I really cannot say something about a man whom I never met's day to day practices.....but I would assume he fails to admit that he is going to lose. We know this to be wrong of course.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Cop-out.

Btw, spell your own damned (pun intended) cities correctly. "Sodom" and "Gomorrah".

Thats all you have to say? How is that a cop-out?

If God choses to do one thing it is not mine nor your place to judge it. God's will is perfect. Perfect, far beyond anything, even your annoying pickiness with spelling.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by jerejerebinks

An eternal paradise where can all spend eternity with Jesus while suffering no afflictions, pain, sadness, or regret.


So, apart from sounding a bit boring & perhaps more of an eternal hell, to achieve all those things heaven must also be a place where no free will exists anymore. Nice reward.


I do not think Gays are bad people. I think highly of Vile and OD and have gay friends.

I welcome their friendship. Their homosexuality is no bigger a sin that any other, but it still is, a sin.

So, given that it is a sin like any other sin and we are sinful beings that sin every moment of the day - whats the problem? Do your gay friends know that you think they are seeded and controlled by Satan?



Satan is a very prideful and jealous being. I really cannot say something about a man whom I never met's day to day practices.....but I would assume he fails to admit that he is going to lose. We know this to be wrong of course.
Sounds like satan is a bit dumb - where did he get the smarts to do all the seeding and so forth?

Originally posted by DrewM
So, apart from sounding a bit boring & perhaps more of an eternal hell, to achieve all those things heaven must also be a place where no free will exists anymore. Nice reward.

Sadly, thats your choice and your oppinion.

Personally, I find serving and worshiping the lord very fun, and I cannot wait to do it in the splendor of Heaven.


Originally posted by DrewM
So, given that it is a sin like any other sin and we are sinful beings that sin every moment of the day - whats the problem? Do your gay friends know that you think they are seeded and controlled by Satan?

No sin, isn't a problem. No matter what Sin I make rather precieved big or little, I know that it angers God just the same.

The fact of the matter isnt rather ot homosexuality is a big deal, its that, it is a sin.

Originally posted by DrewM
Sounds like satan is a bit dumb - where did he get the smarts to do all the seeding and so forth?

Actually....its dumb of him to do the "seeding.".....but his day is coming, he will eternally pay for what hes done and is still doing.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
Sadly, thats your choice and your oppinion.


This part to achieve all those things heaven must also be a place where no free will exists anymore

Is not opinion. If in heaven you have no free will anymore then in heaven you have no choice or ability to think, or desire. How do you explain that?

Actually....its dumb of him to do the "seeding.".....but his day is coming, he will eternally pay for what hes done and is still doing.

From what you said - God gave him free will and then it sounds like God is pissed that he used his free will. He will pay for what he has done? You mean he will pay for using his free will?

I get lost in all this mumbo jumbo - it's got more holes than a sieve.

God loves us all enough that he doesnt forces us to do anything. He lets us choose to love and obey him on our own, and the Devil, as so many do, failed to follow through on that.

And for that, he will suffer the consequences.

He isnt being punished for free-will, but for using that free-will in direct disobedience to God.

Its like when a parent gives a child a chance to do the right thing, and if they dont, they have to punish them.

Its like when a parent gives a child a chance to do the right thing, and if they dont, they have to punish them.

Ok there is some logic to that analogy, but a parent still loves the child - so God still loves Satan right?

Tell me more also about the lack of free will in heaven

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
Its like when a parent gives a child a chance to do the right thing, and if they dont, they have to punish them.
But the parent has never told us which religion to believe! It's like putting the poor child in a room with about 100 different people, and telling him that one of those people is its parent, and to choose one or else be damned for eternity.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
But the parent has never told us which religion to believe! It's like putting the poor child in a room with about 100 different people, and telling him that one of those people is its parent, and to choose one or else be damned for eternity.

True, true.

It could be also like a parent hiding some brocolli under a mountain of candy and saying eat your greens or punishment will follow. In addition to the candy the parent also got an older sibling who hates the parents to say eat the candy.

All in all - I think we're still getting a no-go on this god/satan scenario - it just doesn't hold any water if you are free to question it. I mean come on - for what is such a simplistic view of the universe - you'd think for all its simplicity it would at least even begin to make some sense. This stuff belongs in a kids story book.

I know its hard to question anything when your whole life and social circle is wrapped around it. Religion is like some bait & switch scheme.

Having said that - I guess there is no harm in it. Better that than beat the kids.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
But the parent has never told us which religion to believe! It's like putting the poor child in a room with about 100 different people, and telling him that one of those people is its parent, and to choose one or else be damned for eternity.

But God has told us what to believe. He has told us everything in his word.

Your analogy fails to take this into consideration.

Originally posted by DrewM
What's the point of free will if you can't excercise it?

Basically you are saying that we have free will but unless we freely choose one specific path then we are doomed.

Sounds like blackmail to me.

God is the one who created us. Satan who rebelled against God is the author of sin and wants humnaity to follow that path. Homosexual lifestyles is just one way to prevert what God had created. God created sex for married couples to enjoy. Satan wants to lure as many as possible into hell and works day and night trying to get people to follow his ways.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
That's not what I asked. Why doesn't God just stop Satan from making gays, if that's indeed what Satan does?
If someone is going to be delivered from something, they must want to be delivered. If yuo have a problem with alcohol or drugs, you must want to break free from that bondage. The homosexual has to want deliverance as well.

In the bible, people that were healed by Jesus, wanted to be healed.If you mark5:25-34, you read about the woman who had an issue of blood. She had went to the physicians and spent all that she had and wasn't asny better but grew worse. She had said "If I touch His garment, I shall be made whole." Jesus had said to her "Thy faith has made thee whole." She really wanted to be healed and she also had faith.

There are many others that were healed from sickness and disease and people who ad demons cast out of them. But those people wanted deliverance and wnated Jesus to heal them.

Demons will enter into whomsoeverthey have an open doorway into that person's life. In order to get rid of them, they need to be expelled. Jesus gave His belivers athoity to do so(Mark16:17 and Luke10:19) but it is important that you exercise that authority in the name of Jesus.

Homosexuals need that demon casted out of them and that can only be done by trusting in the Lord and walking with God, then going through deliverance.

jere and J Man, You still are focusing your entire concept on one book.

Originally posted by DrewM
From what you said - God gave him free will and then it sounds like God is pissed that he used his free will. He will pay for what he has done? You mean he will pay for using his free will?

I get lost in all this mumbo jumbo - it's got more holes than a sieve.

There is consequences to your actions. If you drive recklessly and end up in an accident, that is conequenes to what you did. When yuo choose to do wrong, you hurt God, you often hurt others and eventually yourself.

God gave us a freewill to choose to do right or wrong, to live in righteousness or wockedness and won't force His will on anyone. He did not make us a bunch of machines. But each will be acocuntable for what they did with thier life. If one dies in sin, they go to hell. Since God is holy, He has to judge sin. But He made a way of escape from that. Through Jesus Christ who gave His life on that cross that whosoever belives in Him will never perish but have everlasting life(John3:16).

God is a forgiving God and will forgive anyone who repents and turns to Him and remember their sin no more(Jeremiah31:34 and hebrews8:12). When we confess our sins o Him, he is faithful and jusut to forgive us(1st John1:9).

Originally posted by Dan Fussell
jere and J Man, You still are focusing your entire concept on one book.

A book that God has shown me is true. I have been a christian for about 8 years now. If the bible was nothing more than a bunch of balogney, I would have realized that along time ago. The Word of the Lord is true.

Originally posted by Dan Fussell
jere and J Man, You still are focusing your entire concept on one book.

A book that is God's word. I dont know about you, but when God tells me something, I dont need a 2nd oppinion.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
A book that is God's word. I dont know about you, but when God tells me something, I dont need a 2nd oppinion. So if he told you to suck the blood out of a wounded puppy...or punch old people, would you do it?

So if he told you to suck the blood out of a wounded puppy...or punch old people, would you do it?
"But god wouldn't tell us to do that!"

Originally posted by Shadow Garnet
So if he told you to suck the blood out of a wounded puppy...or punch old people, would you do it?

The thing is a loving God would "never" tell us to do that. He told us to love one another and do unto others as you would have done unto you. That's the way I desire to live my life. If God was like that(and of course He's not), I wouldn;t be serving Him and be in the church of Jesus Christ. If God was like that, I would be praying to HIm and reading His Word(the bible). If God was like that, I wouldn't come in this forum to often minister the gosepl to others. And neither would Jerejere.

I love God because He loves me unconditionally and is righteouss. He loves you unconditionally as well. He deisres for you to know Him and to have Him in your heart. Anyone that comes to Jesus, He will no wise cast you out(John6:37).

In any other situation you would look at that tall story of demons, heaven being an eternity of bliss etc - you would look at it and say 'are you out of your mind - thats like a kids story book'

Have you ever thought that when it was written it was intended to be written like a kids story book - in a very simplistic way that illustrated a point about how things work but was never intended to be quite so literal. Afterall it was written 2000 years ago when people's educational standards were really sub par.

There's elements of the christian story that are common in many many myths and legends. These historical themes (or archetypes) convey in stories a lot of meaning & lessons about the nature of human existance.

Saying 'it's all in the Bible' is my proof - is no proof at all. If somebody hadn't told you about Christianity you'd never know anything about it and you would take the Bible for what it is - a book. Sure, it is a good book. I have read the Bible several times and there is a lot of truth in it - but I would never take it so literally - it's patently obvious that it was never meant to be literally interpreted. It's a guidebook.

What'd I tell ya! Short version, look at my response. Long drawn out "But I'm right!" version, read J Man's.

Originally posted by DrewM



I know its hard to question anything when your whole life and social circle is wrapped around it. Religion is like some bait & switch scheme.



yes, religion is like some bait and switch scheme. But true sincere christianity is not.

Originally posted by the J Man
yes, religion is like some bait and switch scheme. But true sincere christianity is not. And what of the other religions huh?

How can we believe that everything God says is right? I'm not saying that what he says is right, but I'm not saying it's wrong, by the way. I mean, he supposedly *led* Joan of Arc into helping the French win. She ended up at the stake, though. God set her up!!!! How dare he!!!!!!

I'm probably going to get KILLED by the two super-christians (Jere and Jman.)

Hey I wonder if they are the same person....I mean they both start with a J. Unless Jman stands for Jesus_Man.

Back to the sewer, I go!

Originally posted by the J Man
yes, religion is like some bait and switch scheme. But true sincere christianity is not.

Well there must be 1001 different ideas of what true christianity is - but that is another story.

What happens a lot I think (I'm not saying this is your experience) is people unhappy with life - a common event, people searching for something to help them out of their mild depression latch onto something like Christianity. It takes a while but they want to believe because of the promise it offers. They become attached to a group, affiliated, make friends and the Christianity has some positive impacts on their life so they are further tied to it. Eventually they become so brainwashed that the church could tell them that Jesus said the moon was made of green cheese and they would swallow it whole. On top of that prayer and belief are very powerful things, that can create change, but this is true of almost every faith and in no way proves any specific faith to be exclusively valid, yet the positive outcomes of things like prayer are taken as further proof of the exclusive correctness of their faith. This is particularly true of evangelical christians that make a big play of the Holy Spirit as if they have exclusive ownership of this.

Christianity may not be a bad thing for these people - it may well have a very positive impact on their lives - but they turn over themselves in a big way to group think and lose the ability to question. Questioning is seen as a crisis of faith, questioning also runs the risk of alienation, separation from the group - all painful thoughts - it is far easier to just swallow it all hook line and sinker.

jerejerebinks - I noticed in your profile that you are 16 or 17 - Man you are pissing away your youth with all those cuckoo beliefs. Mark my words - you will regret it. By all means have faith, live life as a Christian - but don't sell out your soul to it before you have the experience to make an educated choice.

Originally posted by revenG_DeSire
How can we believe that everything God says is right? I'm not saying that what he says is right, but I'm not saying it's wrong, by the way. I mean, he supposedly *led* Joan of Arc into helping the French win. She ended up at the stake, though. God set her up!!!! How dare he!!!!!!

I'm probably going to get KILLED by the two super-christians (Jere and Jman.)

Hey I wonder if they are the same person....I mean they both start with a J. Unless Jman stands for Jesus_Man.

Back to the sewer, I go! Right on man right on....STUPID FRENCH CLASS!!!!

SG.

Any religion that does not believe in salvation through the blood of Christ, and is not serving and living according to the law of God, is not living right, and therefore serving the wrong religion.

The Bible tells us that we cannot serve two masters. Not that we shouldnt--that we cannot (and yes I have made this point before, if anyone was going to comment on it)

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
SG.

Any religion that does not believe in salvation through the blood of Christ, and is not serving and living according to the law of God, is not living right, and therefore serving the wrong religion.

The Bible tells us that we cannot serve two masters. Not that we shouldnt--that we cannot (and yes I have made this point before, if anyone was going to comment on it)

So basically if you do not live in wealthy christian regions like the US and Europe - then you are shit out of luck?

Doesn't it seem unfair that God made the wealthy nations christian and the poor ones a different religion?

lol Stupid hobbit Madame By***

Jere tell me this: What created God? If God is supposedly the creator of all things, why did he create homosexuals? To hate them? *gasp* God is a hatah!

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
SG.

Any religion that does not believe in salvation through the blood of Christ, and is not serving and living according to the law of God, is not living right, and therefore serving the wrong religion.

The Bible tells us that we cannot serve two masters. Not that we shouldnt--that we cannot (and yes I have made this point before, if anyone was going to comment on it) So millions and millions of people are not living right? I beg to differ!

Shadow I bet he's going to post that they will all burn....

Originally posted by revenG_DeSire
lol Stupid hobbit Madame By***

Jere tell me this: What created God? If God is supposedly the creator of all things, why did he create homosexuals? To hate them? *gasp* God is a hatah! OH NO!! I thought he was perfect!!...sarcasm...

Originally posted by revenG_DeSire
Shadow I bet he's going to post that they will all burn.... Or any other sadistic goody!!....[we're bad people Sam]

Playah hatah, man. Playah HATAH.

Originally posted by revenG_DeSire
How can we believe that everything God says is right? I'm not saying that what he says is right, but I'm not saying it's wrong, by the way. I mean, he supposedly *led* Joan of Arc into helping the French win. She ended up at the stake, though. God set her up!!!! How dare he!!!!!!

We can believe God is right, because he is omnicient and omnipotent. He is an all knowing, all seeing, all foretelling God. He has known, and knows everything.

As for JOA, the key word is "supposedly." There is no biblical proof that God led her to do what she did.

Originally posted by revenG_DeSire
I'm probably going to get KILLED by the two super-christians (Jere and Jman.)

Lol, I assure you, we mean you no harm. In fact, we are only trying to do help you, ~not~ have to suffer death. By that I mean this:

If you are only born once, you must die twice, but if you are born twice, you only have to die once.

Originally posted by revenG_DeSire
Hey I wonder if they are the same person....I mean they both start with a J. Unless Jman stands for Jesus_Man.

While I consider a great honor to be compared with J-Man, for the sake of conspiracy theories, I will declare, that we are two different people, fighting for the same cause.

Originally posted by revenG_DeSire
[B]Back to the sewer, I go!

Have fun....and for the record...Christmas is coming up, and its scarf weather in Kentucky.:p

Originally posted by revenG_DeSire
Playah hatah, man. Playah HATAH. *holds up sign* PLAYAH HATAH!!

*erupts with laughter* I AM NOT AN INBREED!

Jere thingy you didn't answer my questions.....

Originally posted by DrewM
So basically if you do not live in wealthy christian regions like the US and Europe - then you are shit out of luck?

Doesn't it seem unfair that God made the wealthy nations christian and the poor ones a different religion?

Actually, Drew, you dont have to live in a rich area of the world to know Jesus.

Thats why God is allowing and providing for millions of missionaries to proclaim the good news of Christ across the globe.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
Actually, Drew, you dont have to live in a rich area of the world to know Jesus.

Thats why God is allowing and providing for millions of missionaries to proclaim the good news of Christ across the globe.
Missionaries are assholes. Leave the people alone to worship their own damned gods, and worry about your own...

*parades around the street* Playah hatah...

Oh don't worry Jere....I'm sure the writer of "Come, Now Is The Time To Worship" knows about God....:P

Originally posted by revenG_DeSire
lol Stupid hobbit Madame By***

Jere tell me this: What created God? If God is supposedly the creator of all things, why did he create homosexuals? To hate them? *gasp* God is a hatah!

Nothing created God. God has always been.

God did not create sin. Satan is the author of sin. God created us in his image...its the devil that gives us sin and disobedience to God.

Originally posted by revenG_DeSire
*parades around the street* Playah hatah...

Oh don't worry Jere....I'm sure the writer of "Come, Now Is The Time To Worship" knows about God....:P *still parading* Playah hatah!!

How much ya wanna bet that next time Shadow and I go to a church, we'll be struck by lighting? lol

If I were God I'd shoot myself...I wouldn't want to live THAT long....

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
Nothing created God. God has always been.

God did not create sin. Satan is the author of sin. God created us in his image...its the devil that gives us sin and disobedience to God. But did God not create Satan?

Originally posted by revenG_DeSire
How much ya wanna bet that next time Shadow and I go to a church, we'll be struck by lighting? lol
Yeah, the light bulbs in churches are naturally attuned to drop on non-Christians' heads. ;)

Maybe God was a bit drunk after the TailGate PartY?

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
Actually, Drew, you dont have to live in a rich area of the world to know Jesus.

Thats why God is allowing and providing for millions of missionaries to proclaim the good news of Christ across the globe.

Thats nice of him to do that.

But of course they are severely disadvantaged - they do not have christianity easily available, their families, friends etc are anti-christian and of course they have to overcome their own cultural reliogious mindsets. I guess the missionaries could pick up a few miss-fits and depressives here and there.

This long thread is filled with logical, rational questions and points that highlight the unfairness and irrational nature of fundamentalist christian belief - yet the response is almost robotic in nature. It reeks of brainwashing and the total inability to question.

What is faith unless it is questioned?

Originally posted by revenG_DeSire
How much ya wanna bet that next time Shadow and I go to a church, we'll be struck by lighting? lol

If I were God I'd shoot myself...I wouldn't want to live THAT long.... Guess I'll have to take my hard hat!

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Yeah, the light bulbs in churches are naturally attuned to drop on non-Christians' heads. ;)

Hey just because we're arguing with God's rulebook doesn't necessarily make us non-Christians.

Originally posted by DrewM
jerejerebinks - I noticed in your profile that you are 16 or 17 - Man you are pissing away your youth with all those cuckoo beliefs. Mark my words - you will regret it. By all means have faith, live life as a Christian - but don't sell out your soul to it before you have the experience to make an educated choice.

First of all, I respect your respectful approach to your inquiries.


If serving God is "pissing" away my youth, lol, than so be it. If that means an eternal paradise in Heaven when I leave this world, than so be it. Christianity doesnt mean you have to be some shelterd, freak bell ringer or something. I have a life outside my Christianity, but I base everything around Christ, and I am very proud of that.

I am proud of the work I do for Christ, and I feel as though (and Im sure J-Man, Duck, and Stark, and others would agree) that I am blessed to have the opportunity to discuss God's love and message with the readers of Allforums.

Originally posted by revenG_DeSire
Maybe God was a bit drunk after the TailGate PartY? Why in the name of ramen would he go to a stupid tailgate party?!

Originally posted by Shadow Garnet
So millions and millions of people are not living right? I beg to differ!

I mean this in the least bit of disrespect, but just on Allforums, there are but a handful of us, that live according to the teachings of Christ (namely, Salvation through him)

....Take that ration and apply it to world numbers.

Originally posted by revenG_DeSire
Hey just because we're arguing with God's rulebook doesn't necessarily make us non-Christians.
::tries to digest that and fails:: Then what exactly are you, if you don't mind me asking?

Originally posted by Shadow Garnet
Why in the name of ramen would he go to a stupid tailgate party?!

Because he wanted to get drunk???

I don't know what I am...I am confused...AND THAT'S OK AT MY AGE!!!!

Lol, I wish you all would slow down....in response, to my response of your asking why can we believe that God is always right, you said...


Originally posted by revenG_DeSire
*erupts with laughter* I AM NOT AN INBREED!

Jere thingy you didn't answer my questions.....


How did I not answer your question?

Did you not read this:

We can believe God is right, because he is omnicient and omnipotent. He is an all knowing, all seeing, all foretelling God. He has known, and knows everything.

As for JOA, the key word is "supposedly." There is no biblical proof that God led her to do what she did.

Originally posted by revenG_DeSire
Because he wanted to get drunk???

I don't know what I am...I am confused...AND THAT'S OK AT MY AGE!!!! You don't need to tell me twice!

*snickers at Shadow*


Jere....I asked why did he make homosexuals. Not why we should believe him.Well I asked that TOO but I want the answer to the OTHER question!

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Missionaries are assholes. Leave the people alone to worship their own damned gods, and worry about your own...

We are not told to only worry about ourselves. The entire world deserves the chance to obtain Heaven, and the opportunity to hear Christ's message.

If they do not accept it, its on themselves, and not that "God didnt put them in the right part of the world."

Originally posted by revenG_DeSire
*snickers at Shadow*


Jere....I asked why did he make homosexuals. Not why we should believe him.Well I asked that TOO but I want the answer to the OTHER question! Are you finally admitting something, revenG?