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Israel1
10-06-2004, 03:07 AM
Dear World,

It appears that you are hard to please. I understand that you are upset over us here in Israel. Indeed, it appears that you are quite upset, even angry and outraged. Indeed, every few years you seem to become upset over us. Today, it is the brutal repression of the Palestinians; yesterday, it was Lebanon; before that it was the bombing of the nuclear reactor in Baghdad and the Yom Kippur War campaign. It appears that Jews who triumph, and who therefore, live, upset you most extraordinarily.

Of course, dear world, long before there was an Israel, we the Jewish people upset you. We upset a German people, who elected a Hitler and we upset an Austrian people, who cheered his entry into Vienna and we upset a whole slew of Slavic nations - Poles, Slovaks, Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Russians, Hungarians, Romanians.

And we go back a long, long way in history of world upset. We upset the Cossacks of Chmielnicki, who massacred tens of thousands of us in 1648-49; we upset the Crusaders, who on their way to liberate the Holy Land, were so upset at Jews that they slaughtered untold numbers of us. We upset, for centuries, a Roman Catholic Church that did its best to define our relationship through Inquisitions. And we upset the arch-enemy of the church, Martin Luther, who in his call to burn the synagogues and the Jews within them, showed an admirable Christian ecumenical spirit.

It is because we became so upset over upsetting you, dear world, that we decided to leave you - in a manner of speaking - and establish a Jewish State. The reasoning was that living in close contact with you, as resident-strangers in the various countries that comprise you, we upset you, irritate you, and disturb you. What better notion, then, than to leave you and thus love you - and have you love us? And so we decided to come home, to the same homeland from which we were driven out 1,900 years earlier by a Roman world that, apparently, we also upset.

Alas, dear world, it appears that you are hard to please. Having left you and your Pogroms and Inquisitions and Crusades and Holocausts, having taken our leave of the general world to live alone in our own little state, we continue to upset you.

You are upset that we repress the Palestinians. You are deeply angered over the fact that we do not give up the lands of 1967, which are clearly the obstacle to peace in the Middle East. Moscow is upset and Washington is upset. The Arabs are upset and the gentle Egyptian moderates are upset.

Well, dear world, consider the reaction of a normal Jew from Israel. In 1920, 1921 and 1929, there were no territories of 1967 to impede peace between Jews and Arabs. Indeed, there was no Jewish State to upset anybody. Nevertheless, the same oppressed and repressed Palestinians slaughtered hundreds of Jews in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Safed and Hebron. Indeed, 67 Jews were slaughtered one day in Hebron in 1929.

Dear world, why did the Arabs - the Palestinians - massacre 67 Jews in one day in 1929? Could it have been their anger over Israeli aggression in 1967? And why were 510 Jewish men, women and children slaughtered in Arab riots in 1936-39? Was it because of Arab upset over 1967? And when you, World, proposed a U.N. Partition Plan in 1947 that would have created a Palestinian State alongside a tiny Israel and the Arabs cried and went to war and killed 6,000 Jews - was that upset stomach caused by the aggression of 1967? And, by the way, dear world, why did we not hear your cry of upset then?

The Palestinians who today kill Jews with explosives and firebombs and stones are part of the same people who - when they had all the territories they now demand be given them for their state - attempted to drive the Jewish State into the sea. The same twisted faces, the same hate, the same cry of "idbah-al-yahud" - "Slaughter the Jews!" that we hear and see today, were seen and heard then. The same people, the same dream - destroy Israel.

What they failed to do yesterday, they dream of today - but we should not "repress" them. Dear world, you stood by the Holocaust and you stood by in 1948 as seven states launched a war that the Arab League proudly compared to the Mongol massacres. You stood by in 1967 as Nasser, wildly cheered by wild mobs in every Arab capital in the world, vowed to drive the Jews into the sea. And you would stand by tomorrow if Israel were facing extinction.

And since we know that the Arabs-Palestinians daily dream of that extinction, we will do everything possible to remain alive in our own land. If that bothers you, dear world, well - think of how many times in the past you bothered us.

In any event, dear world, if you are bothered by us, here is one Jew in Israel who could not care less.

The Praetorian
10-06-2004, 03:17 PM
Posting this once wasn't good enough, huh? Being that you brought it up again, I've got a question for you: if Rabbi Kahane doesn't care what the world thinks, then why write a letter addressing it?
In any event, dear world, if you are bothered by us, here is one Jew in Israel who could not care less.
If you don't care, then why post the same drivel twice? The truth is that no one cares about your incessant whining, and being that you do it so often, you're begging for others to ignore you as well.

Echo2
10-06-2004, 03:18 PM
I'm beginning to get a better understanding of Hitler.

The Praetorian
10-06-2004, 03:19 PM
Bwahahahahahaha. Priceless Echo!

Brooks
10-06-2004, 03:39 PM
I'm breaking my own rule with this language:

Echo, I thought you were an amusing airhead who people barely respond to anymore. Now I think you're a total asshole. What the hell is the matter with you?

The Praetorian
10-06-2004, 03:43 PM
I think it was a joke, Brooks.

Brooks
10-06-2004, 03:49 PM
Some things aren't

Echo2
10-06-2004, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by Brooks
I'm breaking my own rule with this language:

Echo, I thought you were an amusing airhead who people barely respond to anymore. Now I think you're a total asshole. What the hell is the matter with you?

Poor little brooks has no sense of humor. Whats wrong broksie - my joke not PC enough for you?

And thank you for the compliments. Coming from you, its an honor to be called an asshole.

The Praetorian
10-06-2004, 03:57 PM
You have to admit that by posting the same thing twice this person was inviting ridicule. Okay, I see your point...it was off color humor, but nevertheless, still just humor. Even if you don't find the statement funny, the fact that she had the balls to say it on a forum is kind of humorous. I think that's what I found comical.

Echo2
10-06-2004, 04:03 PM
For the record, my husband was jewish, though he didn't practice his religion. I have nothing against the jews. I do however have a lot of negativity twords Israel as a nation. And more than anything, I absolutly hate people with the "victim" mentality. And the writer of this article was oozing victim.

The Praetorian
10-06-2004, 04:18 PM
I'll second that notion, Echo. However, on a side note, I'm amazed at what I've just witnessed. Do you recall posting a rather misunderstood entry where you mocked a deep, down, southern, pre-emancipation proclamation, black dialect, and Trav jumped down your throat for being a racist? Your response was: "my husband was black". Almost the exact same thing happened here with regards to the Hitler entry. Let me know if your husband was a paraplegic as well, so if the conversation ever turns to making fun of them, you can let us know beforehand so no one gets mad at you for poking fun without cause.

Echo2
10-06-2004, 05:42 PM
No, he became a jew for his first wife. I think she was trying to set a record for being in the most minority groups at one time (she was also black and eventually determined she was a lesbian too.) He wasn't born jewish. After they divorced he dropped the religion. So I guess "technically" he wasn't jewish because I remember reading somewhere that you have to be born of a mother who is jewish to be considered a jew.

LOL - I guess that would sound somewhat questionable if you didn't know the circumstances. Those are the only two minority groups he could be classified in. Unless being an artist is a minority. He was a sculpter and his works are in a number of bank lobby's and law offices here in the pacific northwest.

TheGreat Gatsby
10-06-2004, 08:25 PM
Originally posted by Echo2
I'm beginning to get a better understanding of Hitler.

So you're saying you understand why he killed the Jews and you agree with it?

NoFlakjacket
10-06-2004, 09:08 PM
Hey , isn't there some Israeli terrorist group....... Ah yes.... Kahane Kane, right? Bro, I've served with members of the IDF, Israeli Jew at that... I don't recall any of them spewing ilk like this.... I think you're a fraud........

jerejerebinks
10-06-2004, 11:20 PM
I got 10 bucks that says hes TAF.

ausweiss
10-07-2004, 04:23 AM
Originally posted by Echo2
I'm beginning to get a better understanding of Hitler.

Me too bro. Sometimes I wonder what would've happened if...

Mr. Shaman
10-07-2004, 04:37 AM
Originally posted by The Praetorian
I've got a question for you: if Rabbi Kahane doesn't care what the world thinks, then why write a letter addressing it?
'Cause he's DEAD????!!!!!!!:rolleyes:

Meir Kahane was a life-long, right-wing, paranoid, bigoted pig (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meir_Kahane)........and, his death was no loss to the planet-Earth. :banana:

Brooks
10-07-2004, 07:41 AM
Echo and Humor Defenders, If you truly believe that standing behind the humor shield makes all things acceptable, I would love to hear a good September 11th joke. For all the reasons why that would be unacceptable, why is echo's "joke" OK?.

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"I have nothing against the jews. I do however have a lot of negativity twords Israel as a nation"

That's terrific Echo, but your "joke" had nothing to do with Israel. That's like telling an offensive black joke and saying, "It's alright, I hate Mississippi"

The Praetorian
10-07-2004, 10:10 AM
Thank you for the info, Mr. Shaman. I didn't know anything about him, but it is funny to see how you applied the little descriptor "right-wing" in the link you provided. Not all right-wing people are bigoted, despite what you may already think. We don't give two shits about your color, sexual preference, or hobbies. All we're trying to accomplish is that you live your life by following the rules, while abiding the law, and don't, for one second, impose your way of thinking on us. We don't care...

Echo2
10-07-2004, 10:48 AM
Originally posted by TheGreat Gatsby
So you're saying you understand why he killed the Jews and you agree with it?

I absolutly don't agree with anything hiltler did. He was a horible man. I never said that I agreed with him or condoned any of his actions. Hitlers actions were horrendous. It's hard to believe that people would actually go along with organized genocide. Almost incomprehensible.

However, the post was meant as a joke. The few people on this board with a sense of humor not wrapped up in PCness got it.

Brooks
10-07-2004, 12:41 PM
"For the record, my husband was jewish"

Oh okay Echo, if a family member's group is denegrated it's OK. So in your world, you wouldn't be bothered by Mrs. Tiger Woods calling her husband her little n_____, and Dick Cheney can talk about "dykes" all he wants, and Jeb Bush can say he wants to help "spics" get jobs.

Also, if someone is offended by calling a woman a broad, that's an example of PC.
However, if someone is offended by a "joke" based on children's throats being slit in front of parents, bleaching children's eyes to lighten them, or (ha-ha) testing poisons on kids I really don't think that's being "wrapped up in PCness".

If I'm out of step by not seeing the "joke" in that, so be it.

Mr. Shaman
10-07-2004, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by The Praetorian
.........and don't, for one second, impose your way of thinking on us.
.....except in Iraq, huh??

For some reason, the Right-Wing seems to think we DO have the Divine Right to tell them how to think properly. :@@:

Re: Kahane - I remember seeing him interviewed (on "60 Minutes"......back when he was still using-up oxygen), and he referred to Arabs as dogs.....much the way Hitler used to describe Jewish people.

He was fuckin' NUTZ!!!!! :mad: