Is Jesus coming back? What do you think and why?

Although you posted a similar topic already, I'm game to answer.

Yes Jesus is coming back, because he promised us he would before he left.

No offense, Jerejere. That sounded funny.

"He said he would be before he left..."

Sounds like something I heard on Divorce Court...

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
Although you posted a similar topic already, I'm game to answer.

Yes Jesus is coming back, because he promised us he would before he left.

Also, we are living in the last days. It won't be long before He returns to rapture the saints of God out of this world. Afterwards, the 7 year tribulation period will begin under anti-Christ rule. It is not a time that you'd want to be here on Earth.

Also, we are living in the last days.
I think they've been saying that for the past two thousand years.

2004, actually :D.

Originally posted by the J Man
Also, we are living in the last days. It won't be long before He returns to rapture the saints of God out of this world. Afterwards, the 7 year tribulation period will begin under anti-Christ rule. It is not a time that you'd want to be here on Earth.
Yes it will. All the Christians will have left the Earth, so we heathens get the Earth to ourselves! WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! ::dances around in hyperactive fashion::

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Yes it will. All the Christians will have left the Earth, so we heathens get the Earth to ourselves! WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! ::dances around in hyperactive fashion::

I'd rather be in heaven, then left here on Earth.

Originally posted by Blibblob
Also, we are living in the last days.
I think they've been saying that for the past two thousand years.

Oh, but the things that atre going on these days show that we are in the last days. No man knoweth the day nor the hour, but the signs of the times show that the end is near.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Yes it will. All the Christians will have left the Earth, so we heathens get the Earth to ourselves! WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! ::dances around in hyperactive fashion::


Its not going to be a time of any kind of happiness, unless you leave this world saved.

You will live in a word of gried, poverty, and utter domination by the Anti-Christ. You will be given the choice of taking the sign of the beast (which will mean eternal damnation) or to not take the sign (which means you will have it the worse on Earth, but can have the chance of going to Heaven)

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
Its not going to be a time of any kind of happiness, unless you leave this world saved.

You will live in a word of gried, poverty, and utter domination by the Anti-Christ. You will be given the choice of taking the sign of the beast (which will mean eternal damnation) or to not take the sign (which means you will have it the worse on Earth, but can have the chance of going to Heaven)
Yeah yeah blah blah. You really should know better, Jere...you know I don't believe in an afterlife. Your words fall on deaf ears.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Yeah yeah blah blah. You really should know better, Jere...you know I don't believe in an afterlife. Your words fall on deaf ears.

At least he cares enough to try and reach out to you with the gospel Borg. No-one can force you to belive but when that time comes, people who rejected the gospel will see that this is really true.

The lefties who preach tolerance are the most intolerant people on earth when it comes to Christianity.

Originally posted by DaveTooner
The lefties who preach tolerance are the most intolerant people on earth when it comes to Christianity.
What, because I'm not a Christian? Gimme a break...

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Yeah yeah blah blah. You really should know better, Jere...you know I don't believe in an afterlife. Your words fall on deaf ears.

Its not a question of rather or not you believe in it. It will happen.

If dont ever get saved, die and go to Heaven (or be raptured out)---going through the tribulation might be your last chance. Because you say you need proof to believe in such things...well, atleast youd have that.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
Its not a question of rather or not you believe in it. It will happen.

If dont ever get saved, die and go to Heaven (or be raptured out)---going through the tribulation might be your last chance. Because you say you need proof to believe in such things...well, atleast youd have that.
If all Christians suddenly disappeared and things started occurring in exactly the same fashion as given by the Bible, then yes, I'd have sufficient proof.

But the point of my previous post was that your telling me this is nothing new, and does not "help" me in any way to become "saved".

And as a note to Dave, I just had a thought: Jere here is obviously quite devout in his Christianity, and yet he is also liberal. That kind of blows holes in your whole "Liberals hate Christianity" theory.

What, because I'm not a Christian? Gimme a break...

No, because you obviously have a seething hatred of Christian doctrine and would love to stifle Christian thought.

And as a note to Dave, I just had a thought: Jere here is obviously quite devout in his Christianity, and yet he is also liberal. That kind of blows holes in your whole "Liberals hate Christianity" theory.

Exception not the rule.

There shouldnt be a rule at all.

Ones politics shouldnt be based on rather or not they believe in Christ.

Originally posted by DaveTooner
No, because you obviously have a seething hatred of Christian doctrine and would love to stifle Christian thought.



Just remeber David, many hated Christ. They will hate us too. Don't let it get under your skin when anti-christian people hurl their derrogatroy insults at you. have had a few hurled at me on this board. Blessed are those who are persicuted for rightouesness sake.

Nicely said J-Man.

I think I have became something of a religious dart board on this site, lol, but its all in the work of the lord, and I am happy with that.

Originally posted by DaveTooner
No, because you obviously have a seething hatred of Christian doctrine and would love to stifle Christian thought.
You would be mistaken. I have no hate of Christain doctrine, nor do I hate Christians. And I certainly don't want to stifle anyone's religion...it's not my place to tell people what to think.
Exception not the rule.
85% of America is Christian. Even assuming 100% of Republicans are Christian (which is untrue), and assuming a 50/50 split between Democrats and Republicans (a fair estimate), 70% of Democrats are Christians. The actual number is most definitely higher.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
Nicely said J-Man.

I think I have became something of a religious dart board on this site, lol, but its all in the work of the lord, and I am happy with that. Thats because you are what is known as an anomaly. You affiliate yourself with a political group that does everything in their power to render your religious convictions meaningless. It will not be long before you realize you will eventually have to give up one belief or the other. They cannot co exist IMO.

Originally posted by HaVoK
Thats because you are what is known as an anomaly. You affiliate yourself with a political group that does everything in their power to render your religious convictions meaningless. It will not be long before you realize you will eventually have to give up one belief or the other. They cannot co exist IMO.

I disagree obviously.

There are only a handful of politicans who try to render my belief's anything. And on some of the topics you may be referring to, there is common ground to be reached (i.e abortion and homosexuality)

Originally posted by HaVoK
Thats because you are what is known as an anomaly. You affiliate yourself with a political group that does everything in their power to render your religious convictions meaningless. It will not be long before you realize you will eventually have to give up one belief or the other. They cannot co exist IMO.

Here we have a perfect example of hatred. This religious person has decided that all democrates work to render religious convictions meaningless. He has no proof, no statistics, nothing but his prejudicial ideas to support his theory. In essence he is saying that all democrates hate religion when in reality about 85% of democrates are religious and 75% are christian.

Does christianity now teach hatred of people who don't follow their political beliefs? Is one of our oldest political parties now being taken over by christains who want to spread hatred of people with differeing beliefs? Is the idea of separation of church and state so repulsive to christians that they are willing to spread hatred and lies about those who defends it?

When religion and politics mix, you end up with the kind of regimes the middle east has. One religios group takes power and makes their beliefs law and the entire country is condemned to live by those laws. Religion should be a choice not legislated.

Originally posted by Echo2
Here we have a perfect example of hatred. This religious person has decided that all democrates work to render religious convictions meaningless. He has no proof, no statistics, nothing but his prejudicial ideas to support his theory. In essence he is saying that all democrates hate religion when in reality about 85% of democrates are religious and 75% are christian.

Does christianity now teach hatred of people who don't follow their political beliefs? Is one of our oldest political parties now being taken over by christains who want to spread hatred of people with differeing beliefs? Is the idea of separation of church and state so repulsive to christians that they are willing to spread hatred and lies about those who defends it?

When religion and politics mix, you end up with the kind of regimes the middle east has. One religios group takes power and makes their beliefs law and the entire country is condemned to live by those laws. Religion should be a choice not legislated. Where did I say I hated anyone? Trust me, you have the market cornered on hate. You're just an angry old hag.


"Political pary being taken over by christians who want to spread hatred of people with different beliefs"? You really are one twisted individual. About the only dealing I have with
any political party is election day when i vote. Didnt realize that equates to a hostile takeover in your warped sense of reality.

85% of America is Christian. Even assuming 100% of Republicans are Christian (which is untrue), and assuming a 50/50 split between Democrats and Republicans (a fair estimate), 70% of Democrats are Christians. The actual number is most definitely higher.

Borg, I'm talking about Church going, practicing, devout Christians here. Not everyone who says "I'm a Christian." Just watch election coverage. It's a known fact that Republicans get the "religious vote." You know that Borg.

They get the religious votes out there, because there are people spinning nonsense like you and Havok are at the moment.

We have been brain washed to believe that if you are a Christian, you can only vote Conservative Republican. And its simply not true.

Jesus was a terrorist! Ooops, wrong song, he's a liberal!

Originally posted by Blibblob
Jesus was a terrorist! Ooops, wrong song, he's a liberal!

Like you've ever known Jesus.

or....a half way decent joke.

Originally posted by the J Man
Like you've ever known Jesus.

Obviously only people who believe as you do are capable of comprehending the Bible, and deciding for themselves what the message it contains really means. Intellectual arrogance in the extreme.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
Obviously only people who believe as you do are capable of comprehending the Bible, and deciding for themselves what the message it contains really means. Intellectual arrogance in the extreme.

This has nothing to do with comprehending the bible. It's jsut that Bliblob always insults Jesus and christianity. That is why I amde that respone to him. He seems to find nothing but fault in us who are christians and use practically anything against us to hate us. How is that intellectual arrogance?

Originally posted by Vilepagan
Obviously only people who believe as you do are capable of comprehending the Bible, and deciding for themselves what the message it contains really means. Intellectual arrogance in the extreme.

Oh get real Pagan.

You know there is no logical way he could get that Jesus is a terrorist from the bible.

Jesus will come back someday. The scriptures prophesy about this. The earth is getting prepared for this great event and it will happen.

Thats exactly right Daryn.

Welcome to Allforums, btw.

Originally posted by Daryn
Jesus will come back someday. The scriptures prophesy about this. The earth is getting prepared for this great event and it will happen.
Blah blah blah...

Originally posted by the J Man
Also, we are living in the last days. It won't be long before He returns to rapture the saints of God out of this world. Afterwards, the 7 year tribulation period will begin under anti-Christ rule. It is not a time that you'd want to be here on Earth.

I suppose that justifies the religious right voting for anti-environment conservatives. Who cares if we destroy the Earth. It only has 20 or so years left anyway.

Originally posted by Idioteque
I suppose that justifies the religious right voting for anti-environment conservatives. Who cares if we destroy the Earth. It only has 20 or so years left anyway.

Where do you get that info from? That hasn't anything to do with what I posted anyhow. And I do belive that we should be taking care of the Earth. God gave us resources, we should be wise to how we use them.

I like Jesus. :) He was a great man!

Originally posted by Overdose
I like Jesus. :) He was a great man!
Yeah, it's too bad that so many of his most fervent followers ignore his teachings.

Originally posted by Jester
Yeah, it's too bad that so many of his most fervent followers ignore his teachings.
Post of the year, right here. :)

Gandhi quotes!

Once when the missionary E. Stanley Jones met with Gandhi he asked him, "Mr. Gandhi, though you quote the words of Christ often, why is that you appear to so adamantly reject becoming his follower?"

Gandhi replied, "Oh, I don't reject your Christ. I love your Christ. It's just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ."


"I consider western Christianity in its practical working a negation of Christ’s Christianity."
Gandhi

Originally posted by Blibblob
Gandhi quotes!

Once when the missionary E. Stanley Jones met with Gandhi he asked him, "Mr. Gandhi, though you quote the words of Christ often, why is that you appear to so adamantly reject becoming his follower?"

Gandhi replied, "Oh, I don't reject your Christ. I love your Christ. It's just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ."

If you one fionds that many of the christians are that way, what should that have to do with Christ Himself? If you choose to reject Christ because of certain people that are professing christianity, then you are shifting the blame towards God Himself. Jesus did mention that not everyone who cals Him Lord will enter into the Kingdom of heaven, so why do so many people focus on the fact that there are hypocrites in the church?

If Ghandi rejected becoming His follower because of those who misrepresent christinaity, then he really shifted the blame to Christ Himself. He wouldn't folllow Christ because of some of his followers.Regardless of what others do, I w ill serve the Lord with all my heart. Others will not hinder my walk with God.


"I consider western Christianity in its practical working a negation of Christ’s Christianity."
Gandhi

Why do yuo consider western christianity in it's practical working a negation of Christ's teachings? Because os some who are not real with God and only profess to be christians? There are many sincere christians who are not like that but all of us get the blame for that?

Also, God is going to straighten out His church and starting right from the leadership.

Originally posted by Jester
Yeah, it's too bad that so many of his most fervent followers ignore his teachings.

Why do you figure that? There are many who do live by His teachings. Of course, no one is prerfect and we all have our short comings. Christianity is a growth process. Those are really walk with God didn't get there over night. That is why we need Him to purge us of all unrighteousness. Daily we must examine ourselves and see where our lives are standing with God(as 2nd Corinthains13:5 tells us to do).

If someone isn't perfect in your point of view, does that mean you find them to not live by Christ's teachings? Nonetheless, when God looks at you, He doesn't look at what others do, He looks at what you do with your life and where your heart is at. Are you showing kindness to others? Do you treat everyone equally and with respect? Are you an honest person who has integrity? Would you offer help top someone in need if you had the means to do so? Do you strive to be someone who tells the truth and doesn't try to decieve others or lie to others? Do you think of other people's well being and not just your own?

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
I disagree obviously.

There are only a handful of politicans who try to render my belief's anything. And on some of the topics you may be referring to, there is common ground to be reached (i.e abortion and homosexuality)

You won't be able to vote on "homosexuality". All you could do is persecute the homosexuals and make them hide.

I love Jesus!

I love Jesus!
Ewwwwwwwwww...

When you guys get taken by Jesus etc, can you request internet access, cause this forum is gonna get really dull and one sided if none of you's is around :)

and you can laugh as you sip dry martini's on a cloud whilst we work out just what to do with the rest of the world.

Actually Damn!! nigh on all of the populations of India, Saudi Arabia, Iran etc would be taken,

We could actually each have our own country, and play massive war games in our free time, or like trade citys and things.

Have i sidetracked from the point of the thread... my bad.

Loki

Originally posted by Blibblob
I love Jesus!
Ewwwwwwwwww...
I don't like him as a religious figure, but as a person. :) He accepted everyone!!! And was friends with everyone! Something most Christians forget this day-in-age.

I don't like him as a religious figure, but as a person. He accepted everyone!!! And was friends with everyone! Something most Christians forget this day-in-age.
I think you misinterpreted what I meant...

Loki, I think the planet would still be quite crowded after all of the christians left. Now, if god took the fundies too, then it'd get empty. Then we could play world wide Risk! I call red!

Originally posted by Echo2

Does christianity now teach hatred of people who don't follow their political beliefs?

One thing's for certain....

....the Bible has always taught it.

In the Bible, God instructs his followers to kill the *unbelievers* [IOW, those of a different belief].

His hatred for them being so deep that He orders all women, children and even the livestock of the "unbelievers" to be slaughtered, leaving NOTHING alive.

If that does not come under the heading of *hatred for people of other beliefs*, then nothing would.

Originally posted by Overdose
I don't like (Jesus) as a religious figure, but as a person. :) He accepted everyone!!! And was friends with everyone!

Do a little research, Overdose, before you accept the existence of something as real that is instead nothing but a myth.

The evidence for the existence of a historical Jesus is sketchy, at best.

Many scholars who have gone to great lengths to research it have concluded it extremely unlikely that such a person ever existed.

I have read quite a bit on the subject, and the inescapable conclusion is that a historical 'Jesus' did not exist.

Originally posted by Freethinker
Do a little research, Overdose, before you accept the existence of something as real that is instead nothing but a myth.

The evidence for the existence of a historical Jesus is sketchy, at best.

Many scholars who have gone to great lengths to research it have concluded it extremely unlikely that such a person ever existed.

I have read quite a bit on the subject, and the inescapable conclusion is that a historical 'Jesus' did not exist.
I have come to the exact opposite opposite conclusion. There's so much evidence around for at least the existence of a guy such as Jesus existing. The whole "virgin birth" and resurrection, of course, are concocted tripe, but I do think the guy existed.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
I have come to the exact opposite opposite conclusion. There's so much evidence around for at least the existence of a guy such as Jesus existing.

???

I cannot imagine what you have seen that you'd count as *so much evidence* for his existence.

From a strictly evidenciary/rationalist point of view, the case for Jesus as a historical person is extremely thin.

1. There are NO proven, legitimate references to the existence of "Jesus" in any contemporary source outside of the New Testament [which is really not a contemporary source, since it was written from 30 to 70 years after Jesus supposedly died]

2. There is no evidence that the town of Nazareth, from which Jesus' mother supposedly came, ever existed at the time he was supposedly living there.

3. The existence of Jesus is not necessary to explani the origin or growth of Christianity [i.e., were the Hindu gods "real"?.....was Zeus?....were any ot the other myriad 'gods' that other religions grew around???)

4. The Biblical accounts of the trial and death of Jesus are logically self-contradictory and legally impossible. The likeliest explanation is that someone tried to make Old Testament prophecies of the death of the "messiah" appear to be true by fabricating a myth.....a myth which does not make sense in light of the legal sysatem in place at the time of the Sanhedrin.

I'd like to see the evidence from these "scholars" to prove that Jesus never existed.

I'd also like to see the evidence that the Virgin Birth is "concocted tripe".

Originally posted by UnCoolDuck
I'd like to see the evidence from these "scholars" to prove that Jesus never existed.
While I am on your side, Duck, I have to point out that the burden of proof is on you. YOU have to prove that Jesus existed, not the other way around.
I'd also like to see the evidence that the Virgin Birth is "concocted tripe".
A baby is formed from a sperm and an egg combining. The only source of sperm is from human males. Ergo, the only possible way one could have a child is if the sperm joined with the egg. The only possible way for this to occur 2000 years ago is if the father and the mother had sex.

Finally someone has taught me the birds and the bee's, i just knew the crane coming and delivering the baby was sketchy i just knew it!!.

BlibBlob i got blue, wanna place ya armys? I put 1 in England :) Defend they country and all that jazz.

I also find the whole Jesus thing rather amusing, "Hey Dad when i grow up i wanna be just like you", God looks down from heaven, "Well son im proud, but just to show my love to you im going to have a bunch of men and women throw stones at you, taunt you, hang you on a cross, put massive nails throw various parts of your body and leave you there to do, so that everyone else can get into heaven regardless of whether they have sinned or not" Jesus looks worried as he replys, "But dad? Surely if ya going to repent their sins anyway, why in the hell do i have to get tortured for it", God sighs and shakes his head, "Because.... Well.... look shut it, your going to get tortured and thats the end of it" God turns to the devil, "Lucifer he's all yours"

Mwuahh i jest, but it does amuse me as to what 'father' would actually be able to sit and watch his son go through something like that when he had the power to stop it. Nice guy huh.

God doesnt exist, jesus doesnt exist and ill be damned (literally i guess) if anyone can prove otherwise.

Happy Holidays guys,

No religion has been proven. If a religion is ever proven it would cease to be a religion. It would be considered fact, like physics, math, engineering and such.

Most people follow a religion not really caring whether it's proven or not, or even how much more or less likely to be proven in the future. It's mostly because they like the teachings.

Originally posted by Dio Seijuro

Most people follow a religion not really caring whether it's proven or not, or even how much more or less likely to be proven in the future. It's mostly because they like the teachings.

No, its because the certain knowledge that they will one day cease to exist has rendered them a bit mentally imbalanced, and they have the incredible egotism to imagine they are immortal.

Then, when pressed for a bit of evidence of their supernatural father-figure, they retreat to the laughably dishonest position of --"Well, you haven't proved that he doesn't exist!"

Originally posted by UnCoolDuck
I'd like to see the evidence from these "scholars" to prove that Jesus never existed.

Okey doke.



"The story of Jesus as portrayed in the Gospels is revealed to be nearly identical in detail to that of the earlier savior-gods Krishna and Horus, who for millennia preceding Christianity held great favor with the people in much the same way as Jesus does today.

Thus, the Jesus character is not unique or original, not "divine revelation." These redeemer tales are similar not because they reflect the actual exploits of a variety of men who did and said the identical things, but because they are representations of the same extremely ancient body of knowledge that revolved around the celestial bodies and natural forces."

http://www.truthbeknown.com/christ3.htm

Are you seriously going to present Acharya S as a credible source? Come on, Freethinker, this is below even you. Acharya S provides no evidence to support her claims and has an ongoing agenda of hatred and bias against people of faith. Hardly a credible source on anything.

And where does she get her "proof"? Well, according to her "Well, I can tell you I've had beings around me too and they are telling me to put this information out there. "

Who are these beings? Aliens? Ghosts?

Nobody has provided even one source to dispute the existence of Jesus.

Originally posted by UnCoolDuck

And where does she get her "proof"? Well, according to her "Well, I can tell you I've had beings around me too and they are telling me to put this information out there. " Who are these beings? Aliens? Ghosts?

?? .:D

Sorry......but hearing a person who believes in some magical sky-being ridiculing another person's belief in something like aliens strikes me as truly laughable.

Originally posted by UnCoolDuck
Nobody has provided even one source to dispute the existence of Jesus.

The story of Jesus as portrayed in the Gospels is revealed to be nearly identical in detail to that of the earlier savior-gods Krishna and Horus, who for millennia preceding Christianity held great favor with the people in much the same way as Jesus does today.

Add to that the fact that Christians claim all gods besides theirs are "false", and you immediately begin to see the intellectual quicksand upon which Christian logic is erected.

Christians cannot explain how a god [or gods] that was worshipped hundreds or thousands of years PRIOR to the invention of their mangod (Jesus) could have possessed exactly the same attributes as the "real" god Jesus who was to come much later.

The Egyptian sun god Horus, who predated the Christ character by thousands of years, shares the following traits with Jesus:

* Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.

* His earthly father was named "Seb" ("Joseph").

* At age 12, Horus was a child teacher in the Temple, and at 30, he was baptized, having disappeared for 18 years.

* Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus or Iarutana (Jordan) by "Anup the Baptizer" ("John the Baptist"), who was later decapitated.

* Horus had 12 disciples, two of whom were his "witnesses" and were named "Anup" and "Aan" (the two "Johns").

* Horus performed miracles, exorcised demons and raised El-Azarus ("El-Osiris"), from the dead.

* Horus walked on water.

* His personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becoming son" of "Ptah," the "Father." He was thus called "Holy Child."

* He delivered a "Sermon on the Mount" and his followers recounted the "Sayings of Iusa."

* Horus was transfigured on the Mount.

* He was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and resurrected.

* He was also the "Way, the Truth, the Light," "Messiah," "God’s Anointed Son," the "Son of Man," the "Good Shepherd," the "Lamb of God," the "Word made flesh," the "Word of Truth," etc.

* He was "the Fisher" and was associated with the Fish ("Ichthys"), Lamb and Lion.

* He came to 'fulfill the Law'.

* Horus was called "the KRST," or "Anointed One."


ONE explanation --the only viable, reasonable one, BTW--- for all those similarities is that the inventors of the Christ myth borrowed the attributes of the gods that had been in favor for a thousand years before "Jesus" and grafted them on to their "god".

I guess Christains tell themselves it's just a huge coincidence. I have no idea how they reconcile the incongruity in their own minds.

But then, i also do not have any inkling as to how a supposedly rational human can convince themself that a donkey spoke with human voice, or that a supernatural entity produced human DNA (sperm) with whcih to impregnate a "virgin".

Originally posted by Freethinker
?? .:D
Sorry......but hearing a person who believes in some magical sky-being ridiculing another person's belief in something like aliens strikes me as truly laughable.

The story of Jesus as portrayed in the Gospels is revealed to be nearly identical in detail to that of the earlier savior-gods Krishna and Horus, who for millennia preceding Christianity held great favor with the people in much the same way as Jesus does today.

Add to that the fact that Christians claim all gods besides theirs are "false", and you immediately begin to see the intellectual quicksand upon which Christian logic is erected.

Christians cannot explain how a god [or gods] that was worshipped hundreds or thousands of years PRIOR to the invention of their mangod (Jesus) could have possessed exactly the same attributes as the "real" god Jesus who was to come much later.

The Egyptian sun god Horus, who predated the Christ character by thousands of years, shares the following traits with Jesus:

* Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.

* His earthly father was named "Seb" ("Joseph").

* At age 12, Horus was a child teacher in the Temple, and at 30, he was baptized, having disappeared for 18 years.

* Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus or Iarutana (Jordan) by "Anup the Baptizer" ("John the Baptist"), who was later decapitated.

* Horus had 12 disciples, two of whom were his "witnesses" and were named "Anup" and "Aan" (the two "Johns").

* Horus performed miracles, exorcised demons and raised El-Azarus ("El-Osiris"), from the dead.

* Horus walked on water.

* His personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becoming son" of "Ptah," the "Father." He was thus called "Holy Child."

* He delivered a "Sermon on the Mount" and his followers recounted the "Sayings of Iusa."

* Horus was transfigured on the Mount.

* He was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and resurrected.

* He was also the "Way, the Truth, the Light," "Messiah," "God’s Anointed Son," the "Son of Man," the "Good Shepherd," the "Lamb of God," the "Word made flesh," the "Word of Truth," etc.

* He was "the Fisher" and was associated with the Fish ("Ichthys"), Lamb and Lion.

* He came to 'fulfill the Law'.

* Horus was called "the KRST," or "Anointed One."


ONE explanation --the only viable, reasonable one, BTW--- for all those similarities is that the inventors of the Christ myth borrowed the attributes of the gods that had been in favor for a thousand years before "Jesus" and grafted them on to their "god".

I guess Christains tell themselves it's just a huge coincidence. I have no idea how they reconcile the incongruity in their own minds.

But then, i also do not have any inkling as to how a supposedly rational human can convince themself that a donkey spoke with human voice, or that a supernatural entity produced human DNA (sperm) with whcih to impregnate a "virgin".

All of this was from the book you read by a lady who said she received the information by aliens. If you want to listen to aliens that's okay with me. That's your problem, but, once again, I asked for scholarly evidence to show that Jesus did not exist, and once again you have failed to provide it. You and your alien friends may have opinions but you don't have evidence.

Originally posted by UnCoolDuck
All of this was from the book you read by a lady who said she received the information by aliens.

You may be a Chrisitan, but you certainly are a thoroughly dishonest one.

The following information ---your frenzied attempts at misdirection notwithstanding-- is a matter of historical record and cannot be dismissed simple because a personwho believes in aliens recounted the information in a book.

The Egyptian sun god Horus, who predated the Christ character by thousands of years, shares the following traits with Jesus:

* Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.

* His earthly father was named "Seb" ("Joseph").

* At age 12, Horus was a child teacher in the Temple, and at 30, he was baptized, having disappeared for 18 years.

* Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus or Iarutana (Jordan) by "Anup the Baptizer" ("John the Baptist"), who was later decapitated.

* Horus had 12 disciples, two of whom were his "witnesses" and were named "Anup" and "Aan" (the two "Johns").

* Horus performed miracles, exorcised demons and raised El-Azarus ("El-Osiris"), from the dead.

* Horus walked on water.

* His personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becoming son" of "Ptah," the "Father." He was thus called "Holy Child."

* He delivered a "Sermon on the Mount" and his followers recounted the "Sayings of Iusa."

* Horus was transfigured on the Mount.

* He was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and resurrected.

* He was also the "Way, the Truth, the Light," "Messiah," "God’s Anointed Son," the "Son of Man," the "Good Shepherd," the "Lamb of God," the "Word made flesh," the "Word of Truth," etc.

* He was "the Fisher" and was associated with the Fish ("Ichthys"), Lamb and Lion.

* He came to 'fulfill the Law'.

* Horus was called "the KRST," or "Anointed One."



Originally posted by UnCoolDuck
I asked for scholarly evidence to show that Jesus did not exist....

See the blue type above......and consider it in the context of the following;

The only viable, reasonable explanation for all those similarities is that the inventors of the Christ myth borrowed the attributes of the god(s) that had been in favor for a thousand years before "Jesus" and those writers grafted them on to their "god".

Freethinker cheers for bringing this information to light, i had heard that christianity had borrowed from other religions but damn!! that just about blows the entire jesus saga out of the water...

But wait...

They do mention Jesus shall have a ressurection so what if, just what if, Horus was Jesus, or Jesus was Horus etc, That he simply moved with the times, no wait, then why would he do everything exactly the same again, makes no sense.

Religion is a confusing thing

Originally posted by Freethinker
You may be a Chrisitan, but you certainly are a thoroughly dishonest one.
That's right, once you realize how bankrupt your argument is, you just go and call me dishonest. :rolleyes:

See the blue type above......and consider it in the context of the following;

The only viable, reasonable explanation for all those similarities is that the inventors of the Christ myth borrowed the attributes of the god(s) that had been in favor for a thousand years before "Jesus" and those writers grafted them on to their "god".
The blue type is merely a regurgitation of your previously unsubstantiated post. Even if it were a "matter of historical" record, your contention stated above is only predicated on your own personal prejudice against people that don't buy into your narrow-minded views.

Christians cannot explain how a god [or gods] that was worshipped hundreds or thousands of years PRIOR to the invention of their mangod (Jesus) could have possessed exactly the same attributes as the "real" god Jesus who was to come much later.
Actually! Yes we can. It's called conscience. (meaning "with knowledge", i.e. knowledge of God) You see, we believe that God has imprinted our hearts with "a hole in a shape of God, that only He can fulfill." All those previous stories, were attempts to create a being to fulfill that hole. That is why the Bible say that people are not excused from behaving badly, even if they don't know of Christ. Their conscience tells them what's right and they are expected to listen to it. (Unfortuantely, some twist it into perversion)
Also there were a lot of prophets long before Christ, who spoke of His coming.
Freethinker:can convince themself that a donkey spoke with human voice, or that a supernatural entity produced human DNA (sperm) with whcih to impregnate a "virgin".
God can do anything. It's as simple as that. (Yes, even create a stone that He can't lift. He can brake the rules of logic, too. That's what ALL-powerful means). Also, Mary's egg wasn't fertilized with a sperm, but by the Holy Spirit. Please...

Also, Mary's egg wasn't fertilized with a sperm, but by the Holy Spirit. Please...

Sounds like artificial ensemination.

Freethinker, where did you get all those facts? I would really like to know.

Sounds like artificial ensemination.
Nooo! No semen, no sperm, nothing of that sort! Only the power of the Holy Spirit.

Originally posted by DaveTooner
The lefties who preach tolerance are the most intolerant people on earth when it comes to Christianity.

I think not...your statement implies a Chrisitian is always right wing. Untrue.