Tell me if you think Jesus is coming soon in our lifetime or will there be hundreds of more years before he return. What do you think is the delay, or is there a delay...

Originally posted by cjayrome
Tell me if you think Jesus is coming soon in our lifetime or will there be hundreds of more years before he return. What do you think is the delay, or is there a delay...



Would you know him? What if he came again as a person?
A person walking down your street. Claiming to be Jesus reserected. He tells you to drop everything you hold dear and follow him. Would you follow?
Or would you think him a nut and turn away? Think before you answer, He only offers faith.
He performs no miracles to you. He only says love one another as yourself. He may look like anyone.
Would you follow? Would you turn away? Remember he says he will come as a thief in the night. You may not recognize him.
Would you follow?

Jonestown comes to mind.

Ya gotta give religious people credit for tenacity if nothing else.

1. How will Jesus come?


1 Thessalonians 4:14-18 Jesus will come "with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God. In verse 14 we see again that when Christ comes "God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep (died) in Him." Christians who die beforehand will not miss any of the good things that await Christians when the Lord Jesus returns, because Jesus will bring their souls with Him.


Matthew 24:30 According to His own teaching, when He comes He will appear in the sky, causing all the nations of the earth to mourn. They will see Him coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.


2. What will Jesus do when He comes?


Matthew 24:31 "He will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the earth to the other." Notice that Jesus calls believers His elect (ie., those whom He has elected, or chosen.)



1 Thessalonians 4:14-18 ". . . and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up with them to meet the Lord in the air." That this resurrection is a physical resurrection is seen in the fact that the Lord will bring the dead in Christ with Him and yet they will rise.


1 Corinthians 15:51-53 He will give believers new and spiritual bodies. We have seen in the resurrection lesson that believers' bodies will be like the glorious body of the Lord (Phil. 3:21). The Lord's resurrection body was a body with flesh and bones. The sense in which our bodies are said to be spiritual is not then that they are only spirit, but that they will be sinless, imperishable, and compatible with our eternal spiritual nature. The Lord will first resurrect the bodies of dead believers, making them imperishable and uniting their spirits with their new bodies. Then living believers in Christ will be caught up and their bodies changed into their new spiritual bodies.


Luke 14:14 Let us never forget that when the Lord returns He will graciously reward His believers who have worked for Him.


3. When this happens, all believers will be with the Lord forever.


1 Thessalonians 4:17-18 ". . . and so we will be with the Lord forever. Therefore encourage each other with these words."



I dont think its going to very hard to know just who Jesus is when he comes. For we will all see him coming with his angels on white clouds from Heaven.

Jesus is already here! We just call him Linus Torvalds. God lives on Earth too, his name is Tim Berners-Lee.

Blib,

Jesus is here. Jesus is here on Earth, in the hearts of those he has saved.

Originally posted by Blibblob
Jesus is already here! We just call him Linus Torvalds. God lives on Earth too, his name is Tim Berners-Lee.

Nerd.

In effect, Jesus comes for approximately 200,000 people each day. When they die.

Is it such a big problem if Jesus never shows up?

If indeed there is a heaven, most my friends and all of my family will not be going there. Spending eternity in hell with my family and friends has to be better than eternity in heaven with a bunch of thumpers. - sarcasm off.

hell is just the deprivation of existence.
Aw, and I wanted to have a chat with Satan. Oh well, I guess nonexistance works for me. Wait, I'm an athiest! It always has!

Wait! I'm already in hell. Reading these endless discussions about the existance of god.

Oh what a terrible web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

Whoa...

Originally posted by Rask0lnik0v
Jesus indeed does not accept everyone who dies, as there are those who remain unforgiven.

Rask,

You should really brush up on your Book of Romans.

Romans 10:13 plainly states: "For whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."

This is the fourth thing you have said today that is not based on any biblical evidence...and when asked for proof of your other mistakes, you have given any. Please watch what you post. Thanks.

Originally posted by Dio Seijuro
Is it such a big problem if Jesus never shows up?


Well....

Absolutely!

I'll give you the advantages for both sides, upon Christ's return.

The Saved: We will meet Christ in the air, and be raptured away from the pain and sorrow that will soon be afflicting the Earth.

The UnSaved: You will have first hand proof of Christs authenticity, and yet another prophecy fulfilled. Although, you will have to live during the tribulation, you will, if you chose to be saved by Christ, not have to live an eternity in Hell.

Originally posted by Rask0lnik0v
not all people who die accept Jesus in themselves, and thus Jesus does not accept them. you should really read with a closer eye before you respond and think before posting the trash which you do.


ROTFL!!!!


This was your post...

Jesus indeed does not accept everyone who dies, as there are those who remain unforgiven.

If you really meant, what your current post is claiming you meant, than you are still strong, because you have said that Jesus does not accept everyone. He died for everyone, it is the humans personal responsibility for not accepting him, Rask.

Originally posted by Echo2
If indeed there is a heaven, most my friends and all of my family will not be going there. Spending eternity in hell with my family and friends has to be better than eternity in heaven with a bunch of thumpers. - sarcasm off.

If spending time in pitch black infinate darkness, while hearing nothing but screams of angish and the nashing of teeth, is your ideal of family bonding, than it awaits.

(Now wasnt that poetic rhetoric? lol)

Originally posted by Rask0lnik0v
what a joker, man. Jesus doesn't accept those who do not accep Him, which is what I have said in both of the posts which you quote.

Jesus doesnt have to "accept" someone. I'm not even sure what you are getting at Rask.

You are so far off track with your comments, I can barely stay on mine. Jesus offers a free gift of salvation. He doesnt pick and chose to accept people, it is their responsibility to accept him.

Originally posted by Rask0lnik0v
you are a simple man,

Hey! Im only following the example of Lynard Skynard.

Originally posted by Rask0lnik0v
What i mean is that your mind is simple, and thus seems incapable of understanding even the basic ideas i have stated within this board.

I dont think its that my mind is simple, but that your posts are either just horrible incorrect, or bad lies.

Originally posted by Rask0lnik0v
Neither Jesus nor The Father accept people into the gates of Heaven who do not fully accept Jesus in themselves, and thus these unforgiven or unatoned for people, will themselves die out like a common scourge, but i would not be surprised in the least if you are one of these.

Rask,

I am, a lot of the time, at different views with a lot of people on this board. However, I try my best to respect them for the people they are. I would never say such a thing as to call them a common scourge or anything else you just said about myself. I respect the people on this board, for taking a stand on their beliefs, no matter how badly I disagree.

I am not telling you to agree with anything anyone on here says, because I rarely do myself, but please show the respect and kindness we deserve.

Originally posted by Rask0lnik0v
i refuse to back down from anything i have said, as i feel every comment has been fully justified given the nature of the exchange.


WWJD

Originally posted by Rask0lnik0v
as you are wrong, so you will perish, if you do not fix that, so to speak.

I will perish because I disagree with your inconsistancy with God's word?

I understand the word very well actually, as do I typos. :rolleyes:

I understand that saying one thing, when God's word says another, is a personal inconsistency on your part.

Jere:

You listed the advantages to accompany Jesus' showing up. My question, though, was: "is it such a big problem if Jesus never shows up?" Clearly it would be too petty a concern to non-Christians.

as i have already noted, if you don't fix that, you're doomed, and the error of your ways is not only reflected in your words but in your more general failure as well.


Friend,

In case you had trouble understanding, its you who are controdicting the Bible with your nonsense posts. You reflect your errors in every thread you have posted in. From claiming to be totally sanctified from sin to that that I will perish for not agreeing with your foolishness.

Originally posted by Dio Seijuro
Jere:

You listed the advantages to accompany Jesus' showing up. My question, though, was: "is it such a big problem if Jesus never shows up?" Clearly it would be too petty a concern to non-Christians.

Youre partly right. It wouldnt be a concern to non believers....but as you know there are many, many believers who arent Christians.

But yes, it would be a petty concern while they are on this planet....but a huge regret in the next life, for sure.

Originally posted by Rask0lnik0v
i am indeed fully sanctified.

The mere thought of you saying that, is proof you arent.

Originally posted by Rask0lnik0v
as i have already noted, if you don't fix that, you're doomed, and the error of your ways is not only reflected in your words but in your more general failure as well.

Darn, now jeres going to hell! Is nothing sacred?

Im scared, Dan, will you hold me in your big strong arms.

Wait...:confused:.....did I just think outloud again???


*nervous whistle.*

Originally posted by Rask0lnik0v
your logic states that merely because i claim something that it cannot be true.


No, Rask, you are entirely playing the defensive. I have never said that if you claim something it cannot be true....you just havent shown me you have that ability yet.

Originally posted by Rask0lnik0v
God does not tolerate people who speak in His name while maintaining such pitiful presumptions. one's claim and the truth behind that claim do not nullify one another outright.

Its not me, Rask, that you should care about tolerating you. You are the one who has made several claims that go strictly against the teachings of Christ and the word of God.

Originally posted by Rask0lnik0v
[BI am wholly pure of body and mind and fully sanctified in action as well as thought. [/B]

Nope. You're not.

Originally posted by Rask0lnik0v
you have shown no explanation which would jeopardize my claim to an existence of full sanctity


"For all have sinned, and fallen short of the glory of God."


Originally posted by Rask0lnik0v
, and as such, you repeat lie after lie by denying the truth of my claim.

Are you calling biblicial evidence lies??? Are you denying Gods word....a sin?


And if you would like some proof that Romans was written between AD 55-AD60...and not right after his death....heres my proof....I'm still waiting on yours.

http://www.christistheway.com/2004/a04a03aa.html

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/viewnz/23-06-Romans.html

http://home.hiwaay.net/~wgann/walk_nt/romans.htm

By What Rask?

The fact that you merely say you are right? I am not the only person that has told you are you either wrong or a lier.

Do you have no proof other than to say you are right?

Rask,

I have read what you wrote. All you have said that most people think it was written when you do....and you were told by more than one person that, that was a lie.

Sense then all you have said is that you were right and to read what you have already wrote....well I've read it a couple times now...and guess what?

Youre still wrong.

Jere, does this little "Holy War" that is going on between you and this Raskol guy give you any idea as to what I originally was saying to you about the unrest that mans religions and the interpretation there-of causes among people? It seems to get away from a belief of a God or Supreme Being and into the individual methods of belief among individuals. Each stedfast in his own personal interpretation, with no hope for a change of views.
These sted-fast beliefs have led to wars and the loss of countless lives.

Each believes his is the only "way". I ask both of you-Would this be the intention of a Creator?

Originally posted by Rask0lnik0v
as i have noted, and will note again, your citation speaks of people before they are one with Jesus in fully accepting what He has done for humanity and for this earth.


OOOOOOH NO!

First you had a pattern of just not giving evidence....now you have a pattern of changing your story. You said that the book was written right after the death of Christ and was (even though this doesnt make sense) therefore written to the people who lived before Christ.

Originally posted by Dan Fussell
Jere, does this little "Holy War" that is going on between you and this Raskol guy give you any idea as to what I originally was saying to you about the unrest that mans religions and the interpretation there-of causes among people? It seems to get away from a belief of a God or Supreme Being and into the individual methods of belief among individuals. Each stedfast in his own personal interpretation, with no hope for a change of views.
These sted-fast beliefs have led to wars and the loss of countless lives.

Each believes his is the only "way". I ask both of you-Would this be the intention of a Creator?

You would be correct Dan....however, I have a very very hard time believing that he is being legit about his beliefs, and is, instead just trolling, and using religion as a way to cover it up.

LISTEN! I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT IS YOUR OPPINION.

WHAT I AM ASKING, IS TO GIVE ME ONE IOTA OF PROOF TO BACK UP YOUR CLAIM.

IF ALL YOU CAN DO IS REPEATEDLY SAY YOU ARE RIGHT WITHOUT ANY PROOF, YOU MIGHT AS WELL NOT EVEN BOTHER TO POST, BECAUSE NO ONE WILL TAKE YOU SERIOUS.

So youre saying you have no other proof other than your own word? Which both me and Tooner have both shown was wrong?

I do not accept your words because they are either very badly misformed or just troll worthy lies.

I have given you three links that tell you point blankly that you are wrong...you still have not provided me with anything.

Ok, what specifics would you like me to address?

Unlike you, I dont wuss out when Im faced with a challenge.

Like I said, give me a specific and Ill tell you why you are wrong....each time you have posted something I have told you and provided evidence of why you are wrong.

You on the other hand, have refused to show ANY evidence of anything you have said.

So, you pick the topic....and lets actually debate it, instead of you just saying you are right.

Let me make this slow for you...

YOU (that means You)

Pick (i.e. choose)

A (i.e. the)

TOPIC (i.e. what we are going to talk about)

Fine.

So let me get this strait....I confront you and ask you to show me evidence of your claims....so you cop out and say you dont want to discuss it any further....and then invite someone else to debate it?

TROLL!!!!

Your accusing me of not having evidence????

Ok, lets take the topic, such as when Romans was written....

Heres three links supporting my claim:

http://www.christistheway.com/2004/a04a03aa.html

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/viewnz/23-06-Romans.html


http://home.hiwaay.net/~wgann/walk_nt/romans.htm


OK, so wheres the proof of your claim? Still, to this point, you havent posted anything other than your nonsense.

Raskolnikov = TROLL

I second that, wheres Borg?

The Problem, Rask, is that you give no evidence to any claim you make. You only say that you are right and tell people that they have missied your point, without telling us really what point you are making.

I hope you do not expect us to take your word on something, when I offer you evidence suggesting you are wrong...and your best response to being asked for evidence is:

"Until you understand what Ive wrote, I see no reason to offer any more proof"

The reason we dont understand what you have wrote, is 1. You dont go by what the Bible teaches, and 2. You never give any biblical evidence, you never give any links of others that agree with your opinnions, and 3. You have resulted to personal attacks to hide from making your point.

You are a Troll.

So in other words you are admiting you just have no proof, and are a troll?

Glad to hear youre accepting it.

Dont feed the TROLL Jere. It just encourages them.

Good Point Havok....thats the end of my communications with him.