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Many people have theories I think I am entitled to mine.
I do not believe man braved the bleak and frozen Bering Straits to enter North America. I do not believe he could have carried enough wood, food, etc. to sustain him.
My theory is that before the oceans rose the approximately 400 plus feet that geologists say occured that man had better access from the eastern side of the Americas. If you check ocean depths of the Atlantic Ocean you will see that about 15% would have been exposed land extending out from the land masses of today. These were probably plains abounding in animal life. When depth was down more islands should have been exposed allowing shorter boat trips from island to island aproaching north america from Europe and Africa. This would explain the rare genetic strain found in 3% of Native Americans which derives from Europe and the Middle East.
I believe that one day when dredging investigation occurs off Eastern America that artifacts and bones will prove that this land was occupied at a very early date. Dan Fussell
LionelHutz
10-05-2004, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by Dan Fussell
Many people have theories I think I am entitled to mine.
I do not believe man braved the bleak and frozen Bering Straits to enter North America. I do not believe he could have carried enough wood, food, etc. to sustain him.
Was it bleak and frozen back then or was the climate more moderate?
Dio Seijuro
10-05-2004, 05:50 PM
An interesting book to read is Guns, Germs, And Steel
creetwins
10-05-2004, 07:55 PM
Many people have theories I think I am entitled to mine.
Of course you are!
I do not believe man braved the bleak and frozen Bering Straits to enter North America. I do not believe he could have carried enough wood, food, etc. to sustain him.
I believe that this was at least one route of entrance. I think this because I believe their are genetic traits linking modern natives to the siberian people. They live very successfully herding reindeer in a very bleak climate. Food, fuel, housing, clothing are all derivied from the reindeer. Is it not possible that migrating herds of mammoth were followed here by the new settlers? The theory is that is took a couple thousand years for NA to be populated in this way.
I don't believe that migration was the only way. There are other genetic markers found in mummies linking modern natives to another group. I believe it was Spirit Cave Man that led to this theory. I will have to check it out.
Originally posted by LionelHutz
Was it bleak and frozen back then or was the climate more moderate?
Lionel, The standard view has fur-clad human families struggling through the cold across the Bering Strait land bridge to enter North America just as the ice had melted enough to allow travel but not enough to inundate the land. Carbon dated undersea cores have revealed that the final inundation of the land came about 12,000 years ago.
I believe that the barriers of ice would have blocked most of the route across. There would have been intensely cold winds and ice-cold lakes filled by melting glaciers. There should have been no miagration paterns established across this area because there was nothing along the way to sustain animals. So with no animals to hunt for food and the harsh life threatening conditions I do not see why anyone would want to undertake such a trip.
jerejerebinks
10-05-2004, 10:58 PM
One reason they would want to undertake it....is that they probably didnt know any better.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by creetwins
[B]Of course you are!
I believe that this was at least one route of entrance. I think this because I believe their are genetic traits linking modern natives to the siberian people.
Yes, Cree you are probably correct. When the seas were lower more land would have been exposed. There should have been islands exposed further south than the straits that were free of ice. These islands should have had animals to suffice as food and the closeness of the islands would have allowed island-hopping journeys by small boat. This avenue would have eliminated any need for a land-bridge across the Bering Straits.
Like I said its just a theory of mine. But, in 1996 in the On Your Knees cave on Prince of Wales island in southern Alaska, a human pelvis and jaw bone were found which proved to be 9,800 years old. The same cave turned up obsisian microblades 9,200 years old. The obsisian had come from a volcano 120 miles away indicating a skill with boats and possibly trade.
Imagineer
10-06-2004, 03:59 AM
I personally think it probable that various groups got here in various ways at various times. People do love to figure out what's over the next hill, and traders tend to get blown off course occasionally. This or that happens, and next thing you know, you're in America. Good resources, lots of land, so you settle down and live. I doubt we'll ever know who was first.
jerejerebinks
10-06-2004, 08:37 AM
I agree.
There just isnt a way to determine. Is there really a need to?
What got me thinking about this was the fact that no Neanderthal skeletons have ever been found in America.
With Science telling us that several ice ages are in the history of the earth, why had travel across the Bering Strait not occured at earlier dates? If walking across the strait was possible it should have occured earlier but apparantly did not.
Imagineer
10-06-2004, 12:55 PM
Perhaps they were more limited in range? My information may be out of date, but I believe they had been found only in the Europe and Mediteranean areas. Perhaps they just didn't wander as widely.
Originally posted by Imagineer
Perhaps they were more limited in range? My information may be out of date, but I believe they had been found only in the Europe and Mediteranean areas. Perhaps they just didn't wander as widely.
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Could be or they were eliminated early by what I call modern man.
Seems a University of South Carolina geologist Al Goodyear believes he has found a firepit that dates back 50,000years. Says this would prove man to be in North America much earlier than previously thought. The pit has several varieties of woods burned in a 2x3 foot area.
trunkks
11-18-2004, 11:07 PM
Bjarni Herjulfsson were firs t man come to America.his ship come from icelan d then to Groenland an Baffin island then Newfoundland. the setter were found in L'anse aux meadows.
UnCoolDuck
11-19-2004, 01:49 AM
I would agree that at least some people migrated to North America through the Bering Strait, for the reasons Cree mentioned. However, this would not preclude Dan's theory. I find this statement:
This would explain the rare genetic strain found in 3% of Native Americans which derives from Europe and the Middle East.
very interesting.
creetwins
11-22-2004, 07:13 PM
What got me thinking about this was the fact that no Neanderthal skeletons have ever been found in America.
That is interesting.....
I don't think they were a forward thinking sort, I think they stuck with what worked, and changed very little over the span of theri existance.......which may be part of the reason they fail to exxist anymore.
I think they were pretty exclusive to where they hung out I guess......
mad dog
11-24-2004, 03:56 PM
Maybe they didn't migrate from anywhere. there are many different types of man, maybe some came from one place while others came from another, this of course would mean there is more then one Eve. When we finally get into space and join with other creatures does this mean all life came from earth? I hate to knock science, but the fun thing about science(like this) is that NOTHING is set in stone, yet. There may be proof that all life came from mars billions of years ago I quess none of us will be alive when all truths are found, if ever??? The funny thing is that the truth is there, we just have not turned over the right rock yet.
Echo2
11-24-2004, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by jerejerebinks
I agree.
There just isnt a way to determine. Is there really a need to?
Jerejere - One of the unique things about humans is their need to run faster, climb higher, dig deaper. Humans are constantly trying to find out more about their environment and the earth and planets, the human body, everything. If we didn't have this drive to be better, go further, learn more, then we would be the same as animals.
It's not about needing to find the answers. It's about the human instinct to learn more.