Mechthild Flury-Lemberg, a textiles expert working on the restoration of the relic found that the stitching on the backside of the shroud was produced through the same technique as that used in the Middle East during the first century.
She said she has seen the same three-to-one pattern in material found at Masada, the Jewish fortress destroyed during the final siege of Roman troops in the year 74.

The Catholic Church has remained distant from the debate over the Schroud's authenticity.

"The Church has no specific competence to pronounce on these questions,"said Pope John ll. "She entrusts to scientists the task of continuing to investigate."

Even if the Shroud is proved genuine, many ask whether the findings will have any ramifications for the validity of Christianity anyhow. As one researcher working on it has pointed out,
"theres no test for Christness". Could be anyones imprint.

These people will never quit in their desperate attempt to find some little shred of evidence to support their religious doctrine. There have been hundred of fake attemts over the years, each getting a little better at falcifying. In the last couple decades they have actually gotten some evangelical scientists (anyone else get the dichotomy of that phrase?) to offer their particular brand of "evidence" in an effort to appear legitimate.

The things I noticed most was that the Pope was relying on science and that there is no way to prove that it was "the Christ" even if the time period is proven.

Seems the Pope trusts in the Logic of Science.

Originally posted by Dan Fussell
The things I noticed most was that the Pope was relying on science and that there is no way to prove that it was "the Christ" even if the time period is proven.

Seems the Pope trusts in the Logic of Science. Dont point out things like that to echo, it doesnt fit into her "desperate attempt to find some little shred of evidence" equation.

Originally posted by HaVoK
Dont point out things like that to echo, it doesnt fit into her "desperate attempt to find some little shred of evidence" equation.

Poor job of word twisting Havok-learn to read. I never even mentioned the pope or what he thought. I referred to the people doing the investigations.

Originally posted by Echo2
Poor job of word twisting Havok-learn to read. I never even mentioned the pope or what he thought. I referred to the people doing the investigations. For the last time. Post what you mean so people dont have to be mind readers. You made this post...


These people will never quit in their desperate attempt to find some little shred of evidence to support their religious doctrine.


....and with your obvious hatred of anything christian and with the many negative attacks you have had against christians, its obvious you meant christians in general. Most every post you make is vague and you always attempt to wiggle out of what the intent in them actually was. I guess you are just blindly following your master, Kerry's lead. :rolleyes:

LOL! So stitching styles is more accurate than carbon dating? More accurate than the scientific testing of weither or not a face could actually make that pattern in any way? Right...

Originally posted by Dan Fussell
The Catholic Church has remained distant from the debate over the Schroud's authenticity.

"The Church has no specific competence to pronounce on these questions,"said Pope John ll. "She entrusts to scientists the task of continuing to investigate."


Havok, since I was resonding to a post that included the above quote and I was writting about the research, I felt that it was pretty obvious I was speaking to the people doing the research rather than the people "distancing" themselves from the research. It helps to read things in context rather than assigning ones personal bias to extract the meaning.

Blib, perhaps the stitching style narrows down the time frame within the window that carbon dating examines.