You might be interested to know that the man Bush installed as Prime Minister of Iraq and invited to the White House and Congress last week, used to be an assassin for Saddam Hussein, and helped Saddam get into power in the first place. Not only that, but his medical degree was allegedly "conferred upon him by the Baath party," and he was recently accused of personally executing several Iraqi insurgents. According to the Sydney Morning Herald, "he threatens martial law; he warns he might shut down sections of the media; he suggests he might delay elections. His Justice Minister is bringing back the death penalty; his Defense Minister warns he'll chop off insurgents' hands and heads." So if you're looking for free and fair elections in Iraq, you'll probably have better luck looking in Florida. And that's saying something.

I think you should know that the guy was nearly killed in an axe attack by saddams secret police and has been in exile for 30 years. why do you want us to fail so bad lady? do you want us to do wellin iraq?

The guy is a puupet to the U.S. government. The Iraqi's know this and most of America knows this. He is not credible. And we should not trust him. He will use us as we are useing him and when the time is right, he will turn like the viper he is and bite us in the ass.

wha the hell do you know lady?

I am interested to know, how a man who was in exile for 30 years, can affectively run the country?

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
I am interested to know, how a man who was in exile for 30 years, can affectively run the country?

He can't be any worse than any of the other people that were hiding from Saddam inside the country for 30 years.

Exile is no really the problem. But he has no legitimate power. I don't see why iarqi people should trust him. And anyway his govt is a mockery - everyone knows it's the american who are really in charge. Iraq is an occupied country.

ya, and it will be until after elections. why do people insist on complete failure in iraq?

Sounds like we should go and try to oust this guy out of power and start up another war........or wait......

Originally posted by Echo2
The guy is a puupet to the U.S. government. The Iraqi's know this and most of America knows this. He is not credible. And we should not trust him. He will use us as we are useing him and when the time is right, he will turn like the viper he is and bite us in the ass.

That won't happen because we'll be in there for a long time and if he becomes a problem then we will take him out of power.

Originally posted by Travh20
why do people insist on complete failure in iraq?

We don't insist on it, we just point out that it's by far the most likely scenario.

Here's a little bit of encouragement on Iraqs current situation, a couple weeks old, but hey.... Some people just like to pick at the bad, kinda like an old scab.... This is through the efforts our U.S. Armed Forces, THE COALITION, and the Iraquis themselves.... This is only a small piece of the report, I figure if anybody is truly interested in the Iraq conflict, they can find the info at the State Dept. website.

Section 2207 Report on Iraq Relief and Reconstruction Released by the Bureau of Resource Management
October 5, 2004


Since taking office on June 28th, Iraqi President al-Yawer, Prime Minister Allawi, and the Iraqi Interim Government (IIG) have demonstrated resolve, remarkable unity of purpose, and a clear commitment to Iraq’s transition to democracy. The IIG is inviting all Iraqis into the political process.

In August, more than one thousand Iraqis attended the National Conference, which elected an interim National Council and played a key role in finding a peaceful solution to the standoff in Najaf. At the same time, members of the IIG have taken important steps to establish Iraq as a sovereign state, including extensive travel in the region to strengthen Iraq’s ties with its neighbors. President al-Yawer has also visited Europe to bolster and broaden international support for Iraqi security and reconstruction. Iraq’s participation in the United Nations General Assembly and Prime Minister Allawi’s historic address to a Joint Session of Congress on September 23 will continue to raise the stature of the new Iraq. The Iraqi government is also in discussions with the Egyptian government about hosting an expanded regional conference in November, which would bring together leaders of Iraq, states in the region, representatives from the G-8, and other international friends of Iraq to discuss a broad range of regional concerns, including security, elections and economic issues.

These are, indeed, challenging times for the people of Iraq and the coalition supporting them. In the coming months leading up to and following the January elections, insurgents and infiltrators who want democracy to fail in Iraq can be expected to step up their efforts. Political stability ultimately depends on holding elections, which are scheduled for no later than January 31, 2005. The Independent Electoral Commission of Iraq is working closely with the United Nations to ensure that the elections succeed and that Iraqi voters have the opportunity to cast a ballot.

Good post, noflak,

Anytime someone attempts an impossible job there is always a crowd of negative people, saying, it just can't be done.

If Bush pulls this off he will go down in history as a miracle worker.

When we starteded into Afghanistan, the world was saying we would loose horribly against the Taliban. They had kicked the Russians butt out.

Now the world is still saying, Bush, you can't do that.

old reb

Thanks Reb,
And ya know, it will probably get a little worse before it gets better, sometimes ya gotta take yer knocks.... When all is said and done, the U.S. will prevail. The Iraqi people will be better off, and this whole thing will set off a chain reaction toward change. If you can tackle a tiger like Iraq... There will be the "nay-sayers", always have been, always will be..... I for one appreciate the resolve of our nations leaders, and my beloved brethren of the armed forces. God Bless em' all.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Echo2
You might be interested to know that the man Bush installed as Prime Minister of Iraq and invited to the White House and Congress last week, used to be an assassin for Saddam Hussein, and helped Saddam get into power in the first place. Not only that, but his medical degree was allegedly "conferred upon him by the Baath party," and he was recently accused of personally executing several Iraqi insurgents. According to the Sydney Morning Herald, "he threatens martial law; he warns he might shut down sections of the media; he suggests he might delay elections. His Justice Minister is bringing back the death penalty; his Defense Minister warns he'll chop off insurgents' hands and heads." So if you're looking for free and fair elections in Iraq, you'll probably have better luck looking in Florida. And that's saying something. [/QUOWINTER SOLDIER INVESTIGATION

Echo, you might interested to know that the man the Dems nominated for the Presidency did.......
I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command....

They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.

We call this investigation the "Winter Soldier Investigation." The term "Winter Soldier" is a play on words of Thomas Paine in 1776 when he spoke of the Sunshine Patriot and summertime soldiers who deserted at Valley Forge because the going was rough.

We who have come here to Washington have come here because we f eel we have to be winter soldiers now. We could come back to this country; we could be quiet; we could hold our silence; we could not tell what went on in Vietnam, but we feel because of what threatens this country, the fact that the crimes threaten it, not reds, and not redcoats but the crimes which we are committing that threaten it, that we have to speak out.

TE] hmmmmmmm.....

NoFlakjacket, what is your point? You made no point on your little rant. John Kerry represented all of the Vietnam Veterans for Peace. The vast majority of the claims (especially the one mentioned in this section of his speech) was not his personal claim. Why would you criticize Kerry for reading a claim that was not his? And to further this, it is proven that war crimes were committed in Vietnam.

We all know that there were war crimes. But these guys were pissed because they didn't commit any.

BTW. I suggest we continue this branch of discussion in the politics thread. Although, this horse has been long dead.

Who did Kerry directly accuse in his speech to Congress? And even if he did name, names…it most likely was not his, personal claim.

I bet he's got a necklace made with the ears of VC..... Heck, he may even have one o them there little beanie caps made from the scalp of a real VC.... HE'S GOT 3 PURPLE HARTS !!!! and a SILVER STAR YA KNOW?
I bet it's a real nice ensemble.....

Your ignorance is not becoming. I believe you served? Correct me if I’m wrong (I believe I read something about you having served). And I don’t think you’d take kindly to me, if I laughed at your service. I don’t think it’s correct to laugh at anyone’s service. He won the Purple and Silver awards correctly, and no matter how dirty the Republicans get, the truth will always come through.

Overdope,
There, there small child... I shit bigger than you too.
you and your lil liberal friends trash The Honorable Mr. Bush' service. And you do it on the board of your choosing.
As far as my service to this fine nation of ours, I couldn't give two shits about your opinion.

Texas ignorance. Fitting the stereotype, my friend? Ahh well, since you have no intelligence, and no substance to anything you say…I hope you live a long fulfilling life...

Another meaningful debate here. :(

Thanks anyway Echo 2 for this peice of news.

Ahh I apologize, I get caught up in the moment and then regret ever getting involved.

Sorry astrapol...I'll try and be better. ;)

Originally posted by NoFlakjacket
There, there small child... I shit bigger than you too.

What the hell is that supposed to mean exactly?

We've been over this time and time again. Overdose's posts are just as valid, moreso in some cases, as everybody else's. There is no reason to bring age into this. (again, and again, and again.)