Radio host Rush Limbaugh claimed that "half of the [Kerry political] base hates the military, hates America." Then, in discussing a new advertisement by MoveOn PAC that depicts an American soldier caught in the "quagmire" of Iraq, Limbaugh declared that the ad was a "classic illustration" of the fact that "extreme liberals ... love it when the military loses."

From the September 17 edition of The Rush Limbaugh Show:

LIMBAUGH: [O]ne of the things we've learned is that [Senator John] Kerry has two elements of his base. And that's why, no matter what he says, he angers half the base.

Half the base is so-called old reasonable Democrats, and they don't hate the military. The other half of the base hates the military, hates America, hates Bush, hates the world except for France and Germany.

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LIMBAUGH: It's [the MoveOn PAC ad] a classic illustration of their "Blame America first." It is a classic illustration of all that I have told you about extreme liberals and their view of the military. They hate it. They love it when the military loses. They consider the military the focus of evil in the modern world.

Limbaugh is not the only conservative member of the media who has questioned Democrats' patriotism. Media Matters for America has documented similar smears by Oliver North, by Wall Street Journal OpinionJournal.com editor James Taranto, by right-wing pundit Ann Coulter, and by FrontPageMag.com editor-in-chief David Horowitz.

Limbaugh's message that liberals "hate America" and "hate the military" is currently being broadcast to U.S. troops overseas via the taxpayer-funded American Forces Radio and Television Service (AFRTS). After exposing Limbaugh's comments downplaying, dismissing, and even endorsing the abuse of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib, MMFA created an online petition calling for Limbaugh's removal from AFRTS. Nearly 45,000 people have signed the petition. On June 14, the U.S. Senate unanimously passed a resolution calling for fairness and balance on AFRTS. Limbaugh is presently the sole politically partisan host featured on the service's talk channel.

Now I'm not surprised that he has questioned the patriotism of liberals. It's an argument common used by those on the right. I can't believe, however, that our tax dollars are paying to play his hate filled show to our troops. If they put Michael Moore or Al Franken on that station, the repubs would go nuts. We wonder why our troops torture prisoners when we are paying for them to get the message that it is ok from an irresponsible right-wing nutjob.

Exactly. If we had Air America blasting in the militaries ears, the Republicans would be protesting in the streets. Yet, they find it perfectly fine for our tax dollars to go towards partisan lies like Rush Limbaugh. Now, many of you would say Air America is full of lies. But, if we offer both sides to the story it’s equal. Which is the way it should be.

And for him to question my Patriotism? To say I hate America and the military? Is so ridiculous.

I'll have you know I am one of the most patriotic people in Oregon. It's been a tradition in my family to always wear red, white and blue on the 4th of July. To many that seems stupid to even say, for they always wear red, white and blue. But, when I walk into stores on the 4th, I hardly see anyone wearing it.

One week after 9/11, my family and friends all went out on an overpass and waved American Flags for days in support of our country. We brought smiles to people, and we got many honks in support of us.

My mother is the head of our 4th of July parade in our city, and we always have a huge celebration and party on 4th. My family has and always will be patriotic. We love this country, and we always will.

For Rush Limbaugh to say that half of liberals don't love this country is absurd. You'll find I'm more patriotic then most Republicans.

So now you know, I'm a proud American. I'm not this Anti-American, crazy kid from Portland, Oregon.

I dont know why Rush saw the need to embellish his views on liberals. What he should have said was the truth and nothing else.

Liberals do not hate the military. They just hate anyone actually USING the military. Liberals would love the military as long as they hadnt been deployed to depose a dictator.


I believe for the most part that liberals do NOT hate America. They just seem to find LOTS of reasons to be embarrassed to be Americans. I think this embarrassment leads to a lot of un-american sentiment and anger towards our government. Lets just call it an extreme dislike of anything American that their particular ideology doesnt agree with.

Oh yeah, about the Air America thing. I think the idea of airing Rush instead of (lmao) Al Franken, is because they want someone in the military to actually listen and be entertained.

Limbaugh didn't say half of Kerry voters or half of the liberals, he said half of his base. The base is the subgroup of hardcore voters that can't be swayed under any circumstances. I would say within that group you will find a surprisingly large percentage that are anti-military (maybe not half, though)

my daughters are martial artist, along with myself. we stress not using it unless its absolutely necessary.....thats the way i feel about our military. we shouldnt use it unless its ABSOLUTELY necessary. going after the taliban or alqaida.......very necessary. going after saddam.....not. there is a difference between a good strong fighter who uses it only when he has to, and a bully who picks on those he knows he can beat. i have a friend who is a very big guy, and he had this habit of bullying people. i told him that its gonna be a coward thats gonna hurt him. nothing more dangerous than a man thats scared........us being in iraq is the same. for every reason that was given as to why we are over there, other countries have proven to be way ahead of iraq. n.korea......wmd's.........sudan......killing people by the hundreds of thousands. ....telling me im unamerican because i have a problem with this war is a cop out to reasoning

Originally posted by Brooks
Limbaugh didn't say half of Kerry voters or half of the liberals, he said half of his base. The base is the subgroup of hardcore voters that can't be swayed under any circumstances. I would say within that group you will find a surprisingly large percentage that are anti-military (maybe not half, though) i have a friend who was in nam, he was in a foxhole with his best friend, they were in a fight with the cong . he looked at his friend, turned his head, turned back to look at his friend, and half of his friends remains were all over him. he still hasnt recovered......people who remember war, wouldnt wish it on a dog. and some of them turn anti-war. dont fault them, they were kids fighting some grown mans idea, whether it was right or wrong. guys here try to make it so cut and dry.......man, its not.

Originally posted by HaVoK

I believe for the most part that liberals do NOT hate America. They just seem to find LOTS of reasons to be embarrassed to be Americans. I think this embarrassment leads to a lot of un-american sentiment and anger towards our government. Lets just call it an extreme dislike of anything American that their particular ideology doesnt agree with.

. so why isnt it , that the way republicans feel is not more unamerican ? we question things, about whether they are right or wrong, and defend it......isnt that what the forefathers did ? they revolted against a form of government that was trying to run them, and they are heroes. republicans tell you,"its this way or your unamerican ". isnt that more on the lines of a dictatorship ? we have to agree or "OUT". that sounds more UNAMERICAN to me...

and who in the hell was more of a hypocrite than limbaugh......yet he speaks for the republicans...........drug addict asshole !!1......oh, by the way....i bet he inhaled !

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Anyone useing rush blowhard as a source of information has a real problem with reality. That man is a disgrace to the republican party. He makes republicans come across as right wing fanatical zealots and that is not representaive of their party.

So you want to silience rush? there are democrats like tom harkin trying to get him removed from the military radio. It seems the only one so ready to stop free speech are the democrats. tell me, what party has continually tried to silence the SBVFT, rush on military radio, tells you waht you cana nd cant call people, what you can and cant name your school sports team, teh list goes on and on. I will tell you, its the democrats. let that idiotic air america play on military radio, who gives a shit, the roops could use a good laugh.

quick story about air america. I was listening yesterday and heard that blow hard randi rhodes talking about how bush made the governmnet to big (which I agree with) and that how the Dpt. of Homeland Security has not made us any safer. in the next sentance she goes on to say the color coded warning system is dumb, and that it will nevr get to green, becasue bush and ashcroft keep the threat higher then it is. I was rolling! in the same sentance she says we are not safer and that the threat isnt really that bad! thats air america for you, thats why after over year they have a whopping 20 affiliates. dont get me wrong, it is entertaining, from a comedy standpoint, and I would like it to stay on the air as long as possible.

im sorry travh, but just because someone wants to name their football team the niagara niggers, doesnt make it a good idea, or compassionate to others. if your child had downsyndrome, you wouldnt want his school to name the team the riverdale retards. rush is a hypocrite, if he spoke the truth, thats one thing, but he's al;ways remarking on who's american and who's not. but he's a fucking drug abuser, that said some very bad things about drug abusers.....before he was outted.....what a hypocrite. i give him his right to say some things, but to tell our soldiers things like "we dont support them", i dont think they need to hear stuff like that anyway, let alone the fact that its a lie !

We wonder why our troops torture prisoners when we are paying for them to get the message that it is ok from an irresponsible right-wing nutjob.
Oh yeah, it was all Limbaugh's fault. :rolleyes:
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Ditto.
Exactly. If we had Air America blasting in the militaries ears, the Republicans would be protesting in the streets.
Correction, OD - The Republicans don't usually protest in the streets, for they've developed far more effective ways to convey their message. Only dumb fucks amass to make "profound political statements" by holding freaking signs. Those people are referred to as collective idiots.
For Rush Limbaugh to say that half of liberals don't love this country is absurd. You'll find I'm more patriotic then most Republicans.
Well after reading that you attend the annual Independence Day parade while wearing red, white, and blue, how can ANYONE dispute your patriotism? You do love your country, and shame on Rush for questioning your loyalties.

I give a rats flying rear end about limbaugh or what he says, so how does him doing drugs affect what I believe? I am no racist, I have feelings for the handicapped as much as you korg, but if someone wants to call their team the braves or redskins let them decide, stop being offended for other people!!!!! that is one of the things liberals do that just drives me up the wall. if a group isnt offeneded like they ought to be, then god damnit the liberals will be offended for them!! Just like the indian school mascotts in CA. the indians dont really care, but all these liberla special interests groups are all bent out of shape over it. If the people who should be offended odont care, whats the fucking problem??

Originally posted by Travh20
So you want to silience rush?

Absolutly not. He has done more to raise the level of awareness of how fanatical the republicans can be than any other single figure in America. Anyone with half a brain can see through his rhetoric. Most republicans find him disgusting. He is NOT representative of what the republican party is all about, he represents the farthest right, fanatical zealot group. I say let him spout his hate.

Originally posted by Travh20
I give a rats flying rear end about limbaugh or what he says, so how does him doing drugs affect what I believe? I am no racist, I have feelings for the handicapped as much as you korg, but if someone wants to call their team the braves or redskins let them decide, stop being offended for other people!!!!! that is one of the things liberals do that just drives me up the wall. if a group isnt offeneded like they ought to be, then god damnit the liberals will be offended for them!! Just like the indian school mascotts in CA. the indians dont really care, but all these liberla special interests groups are all bent out of shape over it. If the people who should be offended odont care, whats the fucking problem??

I recall you being offended by the term neocon. But of course that was different because you aren't liberal. Only liberals get offended unnessesarily.

but if someone wants to call their team the braves or redskins let them decide, stop being offended for other people!!!!! that is one of the things liberals do that just drives me up the wall. if a group isnt offeneded like they ought to be, then god damnit the liberals will be offended for them!! Just like the indian school mascotts in CA. the indians dont really care, but all these liberla special interests groups are all bent out of shape over it.
Really well put, Trav -

Originally posted by Echo2
I recall you being offended by the term neocon. But of course that was different because you aren't liberal. Only liberals get offended unnessesarily.

ya thats right I was offended, nt someone else, me, and I said so. no one decided I should be offended and when I didnt get offended tey got offended for me.

I recall you being offended by the term neocon. But of course that was different because you aren't liberal. Only liberals get offended unnessesarily.
Neocon is a disparaging term, whereas the team name, Cleveland Indians, isn't.

neocon is disparaging? Only if you are ashamed of beig one.

I guess the same logic applies to the word Kike, huh?

Actually, I agree that this whole politically correct crap is bullshit. I see nothing wrong with naming a team "Indians". Redskin, was used historically as a slur, so I guess we'd have to ask some indians how they felt about that. BUt as far as I'm concerned, unlesss a majority of the specific group the name refers to think it is a slur then it should be allowed.

Maybe we should re-name the dolphins so that other sea mammals aren't offended.

Originally posted by Travh20
I give a rats flying rear end about limbaugh or what he says, so how does him doing drugs affect what I believe? I am no racist, I have feelings for the handicapped as much as you korg, but if someone wants to call their team the braves or redskins let them decide, stop being offended for other people!!!!! that is one of the things liberals do that just drives me up the wall. if a group isnt offeneded like they ought to be, then god damnit the liberals will be offended for them!! Just like the indian school mascotts in CA. the indians dont really care, but all these liberla special interests groups are all bent out of shape over it. If the people who should be offended odont care, whats the fucking problem?? travh.....i dont care what anyone calls anything, i am secure in myself......but the INDIANS are the ones who were offended, and i dont see any teams owned by indians ! they were offended by redskins, and they were offended by the florida state chant......not my problem, just making a point. go swear at someone else....btw, you dont seem to give a rats ass about much, so.....:alien:

i say kill'em all, and let the liberals sort'em out

Originally posted by klansman 2
i say kill'em all, and let the liberals sort'em out Oh yeah...with a piece of shit name like yours, you'll be around a LONNNNG time. Take your racial bullshit and go play with people your own age kid.

i say kill'em all, and let the liberals sort'em out Holy shit -
Where did this ass wipe come from? You're the reason why people like Jesse Jackson still exist kid. You want to do the world a favor, go to school, get an education, disavow your family, get a job, and pay taxes. I hope this is some kind of joke, because if it isn't, I'm totally baffled...

Just like you guys i have my rights to free speech. What are you a bunch of liberal pansys

Originally posted by klansman 2
i say kill'em all, and let the liberals sort'em out

Doesn't play well with others.

Your name is offensive and so is your post.

I am not talking about florida, I am talking about CA, where the governer vetoed a bill forcing high schools and colleges to change to PC names, claiming they offended native americans. turns out all the indians asked said they dont care, and some were even honered. some didnt want a school calling itself the baves for the past 75 years to have to change their name . its a case of WHITE bleding heart liberals trying to pass stupid legislation based on the feelings they think others should have

Originally posted by Travh20
I am not talking about florida, I am talking about CA, where the governer vetoed a bill forcing high schools and colleges to change to PC names, claiming they offended native americans. turns out all the indians asked said they dont care, and some were even honered. some didnt want a school calling itself the baves for the past 75 years to have to change their name . its a case of WHITE bleding heart liberals trying to pass stupid legislation based on the feelings they think others should have ok man, i get ya.

Originally posted by klansman 2
i say kill'em all, and let the liberals sort'em out hmmmmmm....oooo kayyyy. dont agree, but you have the right.

Just like you guys i have my rights to free speech. What are you a bunch of liberal pansys
If the alternative to being a liberal pansy is a conservative Klansman, then count me as a liberal pansy.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
If the alternative to being a liberal pansy is a conservative Klansman, then count me as a liberal pansy.

Prae - I think you hit the nail on the head. This guy seems to see things in black and white (no pun intended).

One is either a - hate everybody who isn't a white, christian, middle class male - or they are a bleeding heart, pansy, PC, liberal commie.