New SBVFT add. Now we get to their real complaint. The medal issue is contestable and muddy at best. This subject is a bit more clear.

Oh God, you have to be kidding.

Why dont Dan Rathers get his on commerical so I can hear about another story no one cares about.

Here comes another 2 weeks of watching the Kerry fans squirm. I have to admit, this swift boat stuff is entertaining.

you can argue whether , a bronze star and a silver star and 3 purple hearts in as many months is realistic or not, but you cant argue with the fact the guy lied about his fellow soldiers under oath and met with enemy leaders unknowingly to the US Government while still a naval officer. this shit uis unexcusealbe, and I cant believe the scum anti war protestors who spit on the troops now have one of their guys running for president and claim he will be a good commander in chief

That is what i am saying. The other stuff is debatable and doesn't really matter too much. I think this would be a stronger issue for the Swifties to persue.

The swifties have lost all credibility with the American public. They have proven themselves to be liars just like the guy they support. Another ad from them will be interesting to see because everyone already knows they are liars and wont believe it. Let them waste their money.

Im not sure about that. It seems as closely debated as the election. Righties think they are saints. Lefties think they are Demons. It's the people in the middle. I don't think they've totally made up their minds yet.

Originally posted by Echo2
The swifties have lost all credibility with the American public. They have proven themselves to be liars just like the guy they support. Another ad from them will be interesting to see because everyone already knows they are liars and wont believe it. Let them waste their money.

we have been hearing this for months now, the only thing that will knock this off the front page is if a major news source tried to pass off forged government documents to destroy a presidency. that will never happen. :bike:

You know what kills me: CBS showcased laughable forgeries obtained from a man literally foaming at the mouth in order to accuse the president of malfeasance, but CBS would never put a single one of the 264 Vietnam veterans on the air to say what they knew about Kerry.

Originally posted by Travh20
you can argue whether , a bronze star and a silver star and 3 purple hearts in as many months is realistic or not, but you cant argue with the fact the guy lied about his fellow soldiers under oath and met with enemy leaders unknowingly to the US Government while still a naval officer. this shit uis unexcusealbe, and I cant believe the scum anti war protestors who spit on the troops now have one of their guys running for president and claim he will be a good commander in chief

These are lies and you know it. First he did not lie to congress. He told the truth. There are thousands of documented cases of what he spoke about. Second, when he met with leaders of the Vietcong government it was while he was working on the committe to free the prisoners of war. Remember them? The guys we left behind?

Geese, you could at least attempt to make your lies sound reasonable. But since you have no idea what you are talking about and only repeat what is fed to you by the hate web sites and rush mimics it is no wonder you are so lost.

so waht did he tell the "vietcong government" in attempt to free the POW's? maybe you better read some things yourself.

These are lies and you know it. First he did not lie to congress. He told the truth. There are thousands of documented cases of what he spoke about.
Those cases were isolated, while ultimately being documented as few-and-far between over a 15-year period, and you expect me to take the testimony of that walking butt plug when he was only there for 4 months??? You've got to be kidding...
He didn't see those things, and if he did, then he greatly exaggerated, and such an action in front of a congressional hearing is nothing short of perjury. He's been credited for making statements in which the VAST MAJORITY of his compatriots couldn't, and wouldn't, attest to. He's a freaking liar, and one who undoubtedly did irreversible damage to impressionable people like Overdose and the minions of individuals who follow his mindset. He helped usher in a generation of pussies who think that your patriotism is directly linked to the number of flags your Volkswagen has hanging from the windows. Truly sad...

Trav - do you read anything that isn't biased about Kerry.

He did not meet secretly with them, he did not meet alone with them, he did not "tell" them any secrets - the war was over and had been for awhile when he and other senators met with representatives of the vietcong government in an attempt to find out the wherabouts of the 200 or so MIA's that were presumed still being held captive. He was on the committee to determine there wherabouts and attempt to bring them home.

It just gals you that he might have done something good doesn't it? Yiou just can't stand the idea that the guy you hate so much may actually be a good person. You vilify him like he is satan and has never done a good thing in his life, You hate him, his wife, his daughters, and everything about him.

The same could be said for you, and several others on this forum who i will not mention out of laziness.

you mean like yourself?

Now, granted, i am biased towards bush, but i don't think kerry is a hellspawn. I agree with him and liberals on issues such as gun-control and on gay marriage. I think those things are good and I am for them. However, I also think that Kerry is more self-serving than most politicians, and thusly, less trustworthy.

If you will note overdose, i try to keep an open mind to both sides of the issue. I may not always succede, but at least I try.

A few words of advice: What do you learn when you only hear yourself? You cannot grow without outside stimulants, you only just run around in circles.

When you say "others who I will not mention" you are only looking for a fight. So I suggest you leave it at your reply, and not silently include others, but "not naming them"...

Oh, and as far as your advice at the end of your post…I hope you understand that I’ve changed opinions on this forum. But chances are, you don’t understand that either.

is there any way we can arange a brawl between evil homer and overdose? give em some gloves and a ring and let em go at each other?

Originally posted by Overdose
When you say "others who I will not mention" you are only looking for a fight. So I suggest you leave it at your reply, and not silently include others, but "not naming them"...

Oh, and as far as your advice at the end of your post…I hope you understand that I’ve changed opinions on this forum. But chances are, you don’t understand that either.

Perhaps it would have been better to say, people who i am too lazy to mention. in fact, i think ill do that.

From what ive seen i see no changes. Hard left. Bush and reps bad. Kerry and dems good.

Originally posted by Evil Homer
From what ive seen i see no changes. Hard left. Bush and reps bad. Kerry and dems good.

I suggest you pay more attention, I post far more then just that.

Well, i must give you credit. You do post an overwhelming amount of evidence to support these claims too. So its not just rhetoric, you are making an argument. But it seems to me that the theme stays the same.

I suggest you pay more attention, I post far more then just that.

Uh, no you don't.

ya, just dont try and post any evidence for your arguments or he will instantly dismiss them if he doesnt agree with it. I posted a lot of links he brushed off as to "right wing", as if I was going to find a left wing site showing how wrong they are.

Originally posted by Karankawa
Uh, no you don't.
Actually I post replies, with opinions, that sometimes don't get challenged by you or any of the other Right Wingers here. Karankawa, honestly, even though I don't agree with your politics, you do offer good debate and I respect you. I'd hope you don't follow the other Ring Wingers on this board on their onslaught against me and my character. I look forward to debate with you...and I don't see why you insist on saying all I contribute to this forum is meaningless. I'd hope you understand where I'm coming from...

One big reason that they aren't being contradicted is that we are just to freakin tired. It's like keeping sand out of a hole. You scoop some out, some more falls in.