If there were no humans when the dinosaurs were on the earth, and god made the earth is 7 days... how does that fit because it says on the 7th day man was made. j/w please post a reply.

I don't believe in God and I don't believe nothing of the Bible at all!

Anyway, the 7 days the Bible mentions aren't days of 24 hours, it's figurative speech. Each one represents millions of years. So probably... we are on the 9th day now :D

Originally posted by Shelby@Midnight
If there were no humans when the dinosaurs were on the earth, and god made the earth is 7 days... how does that fit because it says on the 7th day man was made. j/w please post a reply.

You know, the Bible's just fiction so you probably shouldn't pay too much attention to it. Or else believe in Green's figurative days. Mostly I figure we're just another set in the toybox as far as God is concerned - dinosaurs were fun, but these humans have accessories! :)

The bible isn't always the literal truth, it's man's interpretation of events that happened at the time.

Originally posted by Green_Eyed_Girl
I don't believe in God and I don't believe nothing of the Bible at all!

Anyway, the 7 days the Bible mentions aren't days of 24 hours, it's figurative speech. Each one represents millions of years. So probably... we are on the 9th day now :D


The bible says that a day on Earth is a 1000 Years in Heaven.

Ok now to Shelby...and I know that Pagan Blib and Borg and the like will have a field day with this statement but I am not a huge believer in dinosours. I believe they were here...but I do not believe much of what scientists say about them.

How do they know there were no people here during the dinosaurs?...Maybe their just wasnt a way for those people to keep record of it. Maybe the dinasours were here in different locations while Adam's family was growing into the Earths population. Maybe the dinasours were killed by the flood because they were too big for the arc (thats a joke, haha)


I'm not sure if its in Genesis or something, but I believe the bible speaks of huge lizards or something like that (sunday school lesson years ago)...dont quote me on that.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
How do they know there were no people here during the dinosaurs?...Maybe their just wasnt a way for those people to keep record of it. Maybe the dinasours were here in different locations while Adam's family was growing into the Earths population. Maybe the dinasours were killed by the flood because they were too big for the arc (thats a joke, haha)
How do we know? Jesus Christ, do they not teach carbon dating and basic paleontological techniques in Kentucky? Carbon dating and the simple fact that no human skeletons have been found anywhere near the dinosaur skeletons. If humans or any kind of ape were around when the dinosaurs were, we would have seen fossils from these apes in the same layer(s) the dinosaur fossils were found.

Ok that was an answer to the first question.

the first reply to your question was perhaps the most accurate. When the Bible mentions 7 days, these days are days as God sees them, and even these are not technically limited to 1000 yrs exactly. They could hav been eons. Animals were created on the fifth day, man on the sixth. If these were 1000's of years, that more than explains your question.

the first reply to your question was perhaps the most accurate. When the Bible mentions 7 days, these days are days as God sees them, and even these are not technically limited to 1000 yrs exactly. They could hav been eons. Animals were created on the fifth day, man on the sixth. If these were 1000's of years, that more than explains your question.

I don't think it does, there are more than a few 1000 years separating dinosaurs and hominids.

if what you say above were the case, is that to mean not to take the bible verbatim?

Creetwins...



I believe God has the power to make things with the resemblance of age. Just as he made Adam a full grown man, and I believe the world was made for age.

If there were in fact Dinasours...and this carbon dating stuff shows that we were not here at the time of dinosars....how do you know that God did not take the bones of these extinct animals....and folsilize them with the apperance of age???

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
If there were in fact Dinasours...and this carbon dating stuff shows that we were not here at the time of dinosars....how do you know that God did not take the bones of these extinct animals....and folsilize them with the apperance of age???
A) There's no reason to believe that.
B) There's no evidence to support that claim.
C) Even the Bible doesn't say he did such a thing.

no it doesnt creet. It says that it took God 6 days to make the haevens and earth. Then later in the Bible it states that a day is as a thousand years, vice versa. One interesting point though. On all the other days, there was a morning and an evening to the day. On the 7th day. There was made no mention of an evening, or an ending. Therefore is it not reasonable to conclude that the 7th day is still going on? And since the Bible speaks of these “days” being all part of one ‘week,’ it would be reasonable to conclude that all these “days” were of the same length. If we count from the beginning of that day during the Genesis account to present times that account to almost 6,000 years. Is that the length of the seventh day? No, because we read that “God proceeded to bless the seventh day and make it sacred.” Its outcome must be “very good,” and that is not true of present world conditions; so the “day” must still be continuing. So there is no answer as of yet as to how long those days exactly were, but this definately accounts for the dinosaurs,etc

so your saying God is trying to trick people? Now you are trying to twist it to fit the bible.

If there were in fact Dinasours...and this carbon dating stuff shows that we were not here at the time of dinosars....how do you know that God did not take the bones of these extinct animals....and folsilize them with the apperance of age???

What do you mean "if". I KNOW, because i have SEEN. Huge freaking bones, in the museum, that anyone can go and have a look at. You can walk right in off the street. We have a place here in Canada that is a virtual dinosaur graveyard. It's called Drumheller, in Alberta, and you can look it up and see for yourself.

NO ifs, ands, buts, or maybes.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
Creetwins...

how do you know that God did not take the bones of these extinct animals....and folsilize them with the apperance of age???

How interesting. A God who makes things look older than they are leaving humans like us with the impression that God just isn't honest. A lot of negative implications for God--and us--if that's true!

which post are u referring to? I thought mine was perfectly clear

Originally posted by neuromed07
How interesting. A God who makes things look older than they are leaving humans like us with the impression that God just isn't honest. A lot of negative implications for God--and us--if that's true!

Oh Please.

The only reason you say that is because I'm talking about God.

When a woman dyes her hair to be younger....or a girl wears a push up to look older....do you say they just arent honest...and have negative implications about them?

Give me a break.

God created this world. If it his desire to make things seem older than they are, so be it.

Nothing dishonest or negative about that.

But Jere...I still think my point is valid that there is NO evidence to back you up on your claim, not even the Bible.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
But Jere...I still think my point is valid that there is NO evidence to back you up on your claim, not even the Bible.

Well, I was just giving a possibility....but I do have the evidence of Adam being made with age...and many people think mountians were formed with age...(although there is no concrete scriptual evidence of that)

So there is some background to my exampled theory.

Well, I was just giving a possibility....but I do have the evidence of Adam being made with age...and many people think mountians were formed with age...(although there is no concrete scriptual evidence of that)

Nope this is a way of explaining away concrete solid evidence, so that it might correspond with teachings.

A day is a day is a day, one Earth rotation. No explaining that away. The creation of mountains is very easy to understand, and the time it takes for that to happen is beyond some people's comprehension. Shifting of the earth's plates, forcing them upward onto each other. No Fast way to do that.

Originally posted by creetwins
Nope this is a way of explaining away concrete solid evidence, so that it might correspond with teachings.

A day is a day is a day, one Earth rotation. No explaining that away. The creation of mountains is very easy to understand, and the time it takes for that to happen is beyond some people's comprehension. Shifting of the earth's plates, forcing them upward onto each other. No Fast way to do that.

You are talking as if God is just some ordinary man.

He CREATED the mountains. He CREATED the techtonic plates. He CREATED weathering. He CREATED Earth.

God can and probably did create the mountains just as he did Adam, with age.


Now about the day is a day is a day.

Here we go again...

He CREATED the days. He CREATED time. He CREATED the rotation of the Earth.

God controls the time. He gave us the day and night to divide our days in half. That is here on Earth. The Bible clearly states that a day on Earth is 1000 years in Heaven.

But all of your explainng is for naught if one does not believe in God...

I do believe in God, I just do not think the bible explains everything..........

well what is so hard for you to understand about the Genesis account?

Originally posted by Jwjames111
But all of your explainng is for naught if one does not believe in God...

Youre right James. I am a believer in the old saying, You have to have faith in God, before faith in anything else.

Which means to me, if you cant trust and have faith in God, you really cant have faith in anything.

Originally posted by Jwjames111
well what is so hard for you to understand about the Genesis account?

James you mentioned that in the Genesis account each of the first six days were mentioned as having a morning and an evening yet the seventh day did not. Quite true.

Genesis 2
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

You then state:

Therefore is it not reasonable to conclude that the 7th day is still going on?

And:

If we count from the beginning of that day during the Genesis account to present times that account to almost 6,000 years. Is that the length of the seventh day? No, because we read that “God proceeded to bless the seventh day and make it sacred.” Its outcome must be “very good,” and that is not true of present world conditions; so the “day” must still be continuing.

The seventh day is not continuing now because it says that on the seventh day he "had" rested, not is resting. There is also the point that if the seventh day was going on since the creation, and is continuing now, then god hasn't done anything since the creation, since he'd have been resting. How would you account for all the other things he's supposedly done in the bible if he were resting?

Note also that in Exodus we are commanded to keep the sabbath day holy because god rested on the seventh day...certainly an implication that we are talking about a "day" and not another unknown length of time...

Exodus 20
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

well what is so hard for you to understand about the Genesis account?

I view it in the same light that I view all the other creation stories. They were created at a time, when there was no explanation, for how we got here. It serves it's purpose to explain the things for which there were no answers. In the Native culture we have a creation story that says the world and life was created on the back of a turtle. A great story to explain the difficult questions asked by children, as is the genesis account, but now modern humans have the ability to reason out a lot of the "how". People may have been satisfied with that explanation in earlier times, but being the problem solvers that we are, the explanation is no longer feasable to many. Some may be satisfied with the genesis account, but there are those, who need more realistic answers. Not everyone, but many.

Creetwins...I am curious. How exactly is it, that you believe in God....but you dont believe in creation, his power, the death of his son for your sins, or anything else his word teaches? I mean this in no disrespect, because I am glad that you atleast have the faith that there is a God.


And to JwJames and Pagan....good point and counter points on the sabbath.

Creetwins...I am curious. How exactly is it, that you believe in God....but you dont believe in creation, his power, the death of his son for your sins, or anything else his word teaches? I mean this in no disrespect, because I am glad that you atleast have the faith that there is a God.

Here's why. I come from a culture older than Christianity. Chrisitianity is very new. My ancestors migrated to this land about 15, 000 years ago, and have gotten along quite nicely before other people came along trying to tell us that our ways were wrong. Also, when a certain religion is used to strip a people of it's language roots and culture, it is hard to have warm fuzzy feelings toward those beliefs. Many poeple I know today are still suffering from ramifications brought on by the residential school system, where Native children were taken from their families, told they were dirty pagans, and abused. That sense of displacement, and unnessecary shame still exist, and I am as a result, more comfortable with the old ways. You asked, I'll tell you.

Oh, and I think basing a religion around the torture and crucifiction of a human, then thinking that it is a beautiful thing is extremely gruesome.

Originally posted by creetwins
Here's why. I come from a culture older than Christianity. Chrisitianity is very new. My ancestors migrated to this land about 15, 000 years ago, and have gotten along quite nicely before other people came along trying to tell us that our ways were wrong. Also, when a certain religion is used to strip a people of it's language roots and culture, it is hard to have warm fuzzy feelings toward those beliefs. Many poeple I know today are still suffering from ramifications brought on by the residential school system, where Native children were taken from their families, told they were dirty pagans, and abused. That sense of displacement, and unnessecary shame still exist, and I am as a result, more comfortable with the old ways. You asked, I'll tell you.

So youre native American?

You know what? I still know people that are suffering from lots of things. I know missionaries who have seen whole villages whiped out by disease, I know preachers who have had to pray over bodies during war, I know christians who are persecuted by Athesists because they believe and know the truth.

I am sorry that your ancestors had to go through these things, but the point is, people go through these things all the time.

If you should be mad at anyone be mad at the devil. God nor Jesus did anything to you.

Originally posted by creetwins
Oh, and I think basing a religion around the torture and crucifiction of a human, then thinking that it is a beautiful thing is extremely gruesome.

Oh that is rediculous.

You think its gruesome and bad when someone lays down their life for you. Do you think when a soldier is tortured and killed so that your country remains free, and we call him a hero and a patriot, do you find that extremely gruesome and wrong?

So how do you justify praising the lord for his dying on the cross for OUR SINS!!! We are not glorifying the pain and misery he had to go through, we are praising him, because he took that pain so that you and I would have the chance to be born again and washed in his blood.

Just as he told his deciples prior to his death, "The greatest act of love is one dying for his friends."

You think its gruesome and bad when someone lays down their life for you. Do you think when a soldier is tortured and killed so that your country remains free, and we call him a hero and a patriot, do you find that extremely gruesome and wrong?

yah that's pretty gruesome...

So how do you justify praising the lord for his dying on the cross for OUR SINS!!! We are not glorifying the pain and misery he had to go through, we are praising him, because he took that pain so that you and I would have the chance to be born again and washed in his blood.

I don't see how a loving god would thinkg it was necessary to put his son throught that....

washed in his blood? again....gruesome.........

So youre native American?

You know what? I still know people that are suffering from lots of things. I know missionaries who have seen whole villages whiped out by disease, I know preachers who have had to pray over bodies during war, I know christians who are persecuted by Athesists because they believe and know the truth.

I am sorry that your ancestors had to go through these things, but the point is, people go through these things all the time.

If you should be mad at anyone be mad at the devil. God nor Jesus did anything to you.
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You know what, to minimize anyone's suffering by saying "people go through these things all the time" isn't the type of compassion and brotherhood I would expect from someone so adamantly professing his loving religion. That really makes me want to join your ranks.

I am not mad at Jesus or God, I am mad at those who use the bible as a sheild to hide behind for their own purposes and reasoning and benefit. And use it to feel that they have a place to tell people how to live and worship. And feel comfortable going to other peoples territory, under the guise or "spreading the word" to try and change people's beliefs. I don't go to your house and tell you what to think, eat, wear or believe, why do Missionaries feel it is their place to do so?

And in the native culture, there is no "Devil".....foreign concept to us :D

Originally posted by creetwins
yah that's pretty gruesome...



I don't see how a loving god would thinkg it was necessary to put his son throught that....

washed in his blood? again....gruesome.........


Thats just sad.

Look, I understand, Jesus is your homeboy.

You are going to eventually understand, that your religion isn't going to make sense to all people, from different places and backgrounds. The world is a big place. Do not feel sad or pity me for not being your way. I am a happy and well rounded person. Worry about your own salvation.

In the words of the Dalai Lama

"religion is not necessary to live an ethical life"

Case Closed.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
Thats just sad.

Sad? Realistic is more like it...

How is it that you can't understand why someone might be put off by a religion whose most holy symbol is a depiction of a tortured, bleeding man? You describe being washed in someone's blood as being a holy experience. That's gruesome jere...how would you feel if you were actually washed in someone's blood? You'd probably puke.

What your god suposedly did to job and a few other poor souls is senseless torture. Sacrificing children, killing of animals, purposely sending famine and flood and disease to kill adults and children. The bible is full of horrible and nasty things that your god has done to humans in an effort to get them to worship him.

This is a loving god? To people who haven't been indoctrinated into the christian cult he sounds like an egomaniac with the conscience of a serial killer.

He may be wonderfull and great to you christians, but to the majority of the people on this planet he comes across as evil. His actions speak for themselves. If he was all powerfull and loving and good he would not have tortured his own son to death - for any reason.

wha?

Originally posted by Jwjames111
wha?

C'mon james, surely you can do better than that...

i find this post slightly humorous. it is amazing how this post hass evolvbed from a simple question regardijng dinosaurs to a debate over something i believe has been argued to death here. If i dont respond tosome of yalls posts it is either because it is too ridiculous to even comment on or i see no need to go over the same questions and answers again and again. If there is one thing i have learned here on this site, it is that certain people have there own opinions and trying to debate something with them is like having a tug of war between a dump truck and an eighteen wheeler. I answered Shelby's question as he asked me too. I responded to a few other posts. Echo...? Vile i'll get to your post eventually. From now on though if we sart branching off like this can we maybe just start a new thread?

Originally posted by Vilepagan

There is also the point that if the seventh day was going on since the creation, and is continuing now, then god hasn't done anything since the creation, since he'd have been resting. How would you account for all the other things he's supposedly done in the bible if he were resting?

Vile sometimes i think you now the answers to your question before you ask them, and your just trying to test the other person out. God has not created anything new since then. He has rested from creating. But he has not rested from everything, in other words he didnt descend into a state of inactivity.

and Vile see my second to last post on why I will not attack what Echo jus said.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
Sad? Realistic is more like it...

How is it that you can't understand why someone might be put off by a religion whose most holy symbol is a depiction of a tortured, bleeding man? You describe being washed in someone's blood as being a holy experience. That's gruesome jere...how would you feel if you were actually washed in someone's blood? You'd probably puke.

Pagan,

You are taking some holy and making it into a cheap pun.

Not Amused.

I agree with James with the tug of war anology.

Why, if your mind is so firmly made up against God, do you debate his existense? Now youre going to say, if you are so sure he exists why do you debate it.

My answer is, I am whitnessing, not debating.

You debate because you know in your heart you desperately want to be wrong. You want Jesus to be your savior. You want God to forgive you of your sins...you just cant get over the hangup of your "bah Logic bah.''

Originally posted by jerejerebinks

You debate because you know in your heart you desperately want to be wrong. You want Jesus to be your savior. You want God to forgive you of your sins...you just cant get over the hangup of your "bah Logic bah.''

Right jere...you know what I "really' want despite what I say...that would be like me asserting that you "witness" because you are desperately afraid you are wrong.

Like I've said before jere, I don't believe God exists but I'm willing to admit I might be wrong. You're the one who's hung up on the fact that you can't be wrong.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
Pagan,

You are taking some holy and making it into a cheap pun.

Not Amused.

Didn't say it to amuse you, it's the simple truth. The holiest image in the Christian religion is the image of a man who was tortured to death, slowly and painfully. Can you deny that?

Jere's inevitable answer aside, I think I can. Having been raised loosely Protestant (Henry VIII's divorce cart), your image of torture does not apply. We have a cross, which is basically St George's cross; Jesus doesn't really come into it all that often. I think banking all Christians together like everybody here seems to be doing is just a bit uncharitable. Perhaps you could pick a sect?:)

Originally posted by box19
Jere's inevitable answer aside, I think I can. Having been raised loosely Protestant (Henry VIII's divorce cart), your image of torture does not apply. We have a cross, which is basically St George's cross; Jesus doesn't really come into it all that often. I think banking all Christians together like everybody here seems to be doing is just a bit uncharitable. Perhaps you could pick a sect?:)

Well...I wasn't attempting to be charitable. Eastern Orthodox Christians also use an unadorned cross as an icon. What I was discussing is not crosses but crucifixes...those icons which include a man upon the cross. While I'm sure not all Christian sects use them in their rites or have them in their sanctuaries, a great many do, notably the Catholic Church which is the largest Christian sect in the world.

While we're on the subject is it not a violation of one of the commandments to have crucifixes in a church?

Exodus 20

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

It seems to me that a crucifix is a graven image of either something from heaven or from the earth beneath.

Or both, seeing as Jesus was from Heaven and buried down here (only to rise again and so forth). I fail to see how the 'jealous God' would be wrathful towards those who worship the son he put before them as his own. There's a thread about Biblical contradictions around here somewhere. The cross is not worshipped; the crucifix, I believe, is.

To borrow a line from POTC, the commandments are more guidelines than actual rules - which is why I took issue with the Standard Christian wandering around this thread. Seeing as you were referring to crucifixes, my bad. Continue being uncharitable.

To quickly respond to the last few posts Pagan and Box have mustered...

The cross is not an idol that we place before God and worship. It is a symbol representing the sacrifice God and Christ made so that our sins could be forgiven, and that we may be saved through Christ.

You are making it out to be something along the lines of us praying to the cross....and thats not true. We pray to God through Christ...once again, the cross is a sign of Christs sacrifice for us.