......maybe mass-hallucinations was the BIG PROBLEM (http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=SRTIGERFORCE/), during 'Nam!!! :hitout:

I don't recall any Rush talking points on this topic so there is little to no chance any of the wingers will debate you on this topic. In fact, I doubt many of them have the reading skills to get through the article(s). They only argue what Rush, Sean and Bill tell them to argue. Everything else in the world either never happened or is blamed on Clinton's penis.

ROTF

Dop

ya, Kerry and one unit called tiger force is the entire US Miltary in vietnam :rolleyes: we know there were attrocities in vietnam, there are attrocities in all wars. kerry said they were wide spread and systematic. on eunit of one brigade and John kerry admitting to commiting war crimes doesnt prove anything ewxcept you hope to capitalize on the deaths of others.

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
I don't recall any Rush talking points on this topic so there is little to no chance any of the wingers will debate you on this topic. In fact, I doubt many of them have the reading skills to get through the article(s). They only argue what Rush, Sean and Bill tell them to argue. Everything else in the world either never happened or is blamed on Clinton's penis.

ROTF

Dop
Yeah......I'm familiar with the routine!


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Originally posted by Travh20
we know there were attrocities in vietnam.....

No......you don't know shit. You weren't there........and, prefer the talking-points of chickenhawks/chickenshits.

Hey.....you wanna (all-of-a-sudden) flip-flop on the atrocities-trip, knock yourself out.

What does matter is that you still support someone who's done zip (as President).....except start a war.

Yeah........let's stay the course (in this oil-war)......as-long-as someone else is doin' all the dyin', and the short-term profits are rollin' in..........along with the bodies.....

http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/coffin_photos/dover/casket08.jpg

As we're talking, our troops are committing atrocities in Fallujah. Reports of dozens of innocent women and children being killed in the bombings.

The best part is this ... CNN and FOX are now calling it 'friendly fire' when we take out civilians.

Dop

shaman, you wernt there either so shut the hell up. you have never been in a war at all so all you do is spout busllshit you have no idea about except what someone else told you. when you fight in a war and see attrocities then come back, until then shut your ass, becasue you dont know jack shit either.

Originally posted by Lungdop Philing
As we're talking, our troops are committing atrocities in Fallujah. Reports of dozens of innocent women and children being killed in the bombings.

The best part is this ... CNN and FOX are now calling it 'friendly fire' when we take out civilians.

Dop

so we are jsut suppose to never fire at people trying to kill us becasue they hide among civilians? you know there is a reason they hide among civilians dop, maybe if you think long and hard about it you can figure it out.

I was stationed at a hospital in Japan durring the Vietnam war. I was told first hand about the atrocities by the soldiers that were there. What Kerry said he was told are the same things that I was told by various soldiers.

There were atrocities on both sides. There are atrocities in all wars.

Anyone who doesn't believe that atrocities happen in war is living in a dream world. Get real. War is an ugly, dirty, nasty business. It is not the great, wonderful and heroic thing that old movies and this chickenhawk administration would like you to think it is.

The guys that started this war have no idea what it is like to be under fire. They all chickened out and took the easy way around serving their country. They have no business making decisions that send young men and women to their deaths.

sorry, but I dont believe soldiers in vietnam were somehow more evil and sinister then soldiers who serve now. yes, there are atrrocities in war, yes there are crazys in wars who commit attrocities for the fun of it, but if you are still implying that there was a systematic proccess of torture, rape and murder as some US Army policy I have to disagree with you. I know war is ugly, as do all soldiers who have served. I find it funny that of all the talk of chicken hawks sending men to fight their wars and and all that stupid crap the military and the guys actually fighting are still all on the side of the chickenhawks. maybe all of you should go back to the 60's were backstabbing and treason were in style, it doesnt seem to carry any weight in this day and age.

What made the 'Nam vets appear more sinister was the media. It was the first war Walter Cronkite would tell you about every night with dinner. It was also the first war that society really protested. The United States was in one helluva social turmoil on other issues - civil rights, racial equality, & the Great Society to name but a few - so Viet Nam was just one more piece of the pie. During WWII & Korea, for example, what folks watched & read about the goings on over there were highly censored and seen only in theaters. There was no television. Newspapers and radio delivered the daily events. The atrocities committed duing WWII is the stuff of legend to this day, some 59 years later. Yes, a lot of bad shit happened in 'Nam. Some I know about first hand, a lot more through various levels of hearsay.
Your boy kerry pissed off a whole lot of 'Nam vets when he sang to Congress. His waving vet status to everyone on the planet has yet to impress one vet that I know - most are still pissed off with him. That's a very large voting block.

Originally posted by Travh20
the military and the guys actually fighting are still all on the side of the chickenhawks. . thats not true, i love the way people say "ALL". thats bs, i talk to soldiers that come home from this war, alot. and they all say the same thing. they support their fellow soldiers and support the military, but they do not think that we should be over there. but they also say that they can not and will not say that out in the open (media )

Originally posted by Mr. Shaman


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Just wanted to point out that this is a great picture.:D

Yeah I keep seeing that picture. Looks to me like you can't see the lenses because of the angle of the picture. If the lens covers were on it would be a flat surface and you wouldn't be able to see two little ovals with black in the middle. But I guess people just like to see what they want to see . . .

Originally posted by Travh20
you have never been in a war at all so all you do is spout busllshit you have no idea about except what someone else told you.
That's pretty easy to do........when it's all DOCUMENTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (http://hnn.us/articles/1802.html)

Check, and MATE.......ASSHOLE!!!

Originally posted by Echo2
War is an ugly, dirty, nasty business. It is not the great, wonderful and heroic thing that old movies and this chickenhawk administration would like you to think it is.

The guys that started this war have no idea what it is like to be under fire. They all chickened out and took the easy way around serving their country.
Ya' HEARD about that, huh?? (http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html)

LOL, ya, and you served with honor right shaman? your list is good for humor purposes at least. I never knew tehre were so many "prominent" democrats who served in the national guard. last I heard if you served in the NG you were a chickenshit coward trying to get out of serving your country

Originally posted by Travh20
.....but if you are still implying that there was a systematic proccess of torture, rape and murder as some US Army policy I have to disagree with you.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight........we've always been BIG FANS (http://www.oz.net/~vvawai/sw/sw44/Tiger-Cages.html) of the Geneva Convention, huh????? :@@:

shaman, tell us about the attrocities you saw in vietnam, not a link to what someone lese saw, bu what you saw happening with your own eyes.

Originally posted by LionelHutz
But I guess people just like to see what they want to see . . .
What an appropriate description of Disciples Of Bush...........and, other such Dead-O-Heads........

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Originally posted by Travh20
last I heard if you served in the NG you were a chickenshit coward trying to get out of serving your country
The Guard? Me?? NEVER!!!!!!

I never posted any file-photos (here), either.........trying to convince people they were pictures of me in the Somalian oil-police action.

You John-Wayne-wannabes are too obvious.

LOL, file photos. go ahead and try to find those photos anywhre but on my own web page shaman. seriously, attacking my service is not going to win the election for kerry, it just shows your true colors shaman.

Originally posted by Travh20
shaman, tell us about the attrocities you saw in vietnam, not a link to what someone lese saw, bu what you saw happening with your own eyes.
Maybe you should ask The Pentagon! (http://www.veteransforpeace.org/Pentagon_refuses_102003.htm)

Wait.......nevermind. Oversight of interrogation/intimidation-efforts (in 'Nam) MADE a lot of the present career-positions in The Pentagon. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Travh20
seriously, attacking my service is not going to win the election for kerry, it just shows your true colors shaman.
How artful!!!

You NeoCons are quite adept at changing-the-subject, when you're gettin' your ass kicked (in whatever debate)......which (pretty much) explains Lil' Dumbya's mad-dash from too many debates with John Kerry!!!! :p

Thanks for the little demonstration of your amateurish-tactics!!!

Originally posted by Travh20
LOL, ya, and you served with honor right shaman? your list is good for humor purposes at least. I never knew tehre were so many "prominent" democrats who served in the national guard. last I heard if you served in the NG you were a chickenshit coward trying to get out of serving your country if serving made you better equiped to talk about this, than why isnt kerry better equiped than bush ? republicans should have 2 sets of lips, so you dont have to talk out of both sides of your mouth !

Lets get this straight, you attack my service, tehn when I defend it I am the one changing the subject? shaman, how can you say I was changing the subject when it was you who brought up the whole issue of me faking pictures and claiming I was in some police action? the desperation is not ingrained so deep its part of you.

and korg, kerry is better equiped to talk about vietnam, unfortunatly, we are not fighting in vietnam. shaman is posting articles about vietnam attrocities, he was never even in the military at all

Originally posted by Travh20
Lets get this straight, you attack my service, tehn when I defend it I am the one changing the subject? shaman, how can you say I was changing the subject when it was you who brought up the whole issue of me faking pictures......
Sorry 'bout that. I assumed everyone else knew you'd faked them, as well.

My bad.

FAKED THEM HOW SHAMAN?

Shaman, you're off the deep end even for you. You owe Trav an apology, but I assume that instead of apologizing you'll make fun of me. Have at it!

Originally posted by LionelHutz
Shaman, you're off the deep end even for you. You owe Trav an apology, but I assume that instead of apologizing you'll make fun of me. Have at it! in all fairness hutz, travh says mean and nasty things to people all of the time, i dont hear you telling him to apologize to anyone....are apologies party oriented or a kind act of human nature ?

Shaman...

You're not a real "big picture" person, are you? Why don't you just post another off-the-wall photo you stole from a ridiculously partisan site to help show how dumb Bush is? Pleeeeeeeease, I need a laugh...

Originally posted by korg
in all fairness hutz, travh says mean and nasty things to people all of the time, i dont hear you telling him to apologize to anyone....are apologies party oriented or a kind act of human nature ?

That's a fair criticism. Although usually someone else beats me to telling Trav he's gone off the deep end.

korg, you shouldnt talk about saying bad things to people.

Originally posted by The Praetorian
Shaman...

You're not a real "big picture" person, are you? Why don't you just post another off-the-wall photo you stole from a ridiculously partisan site to help show how dumb Bush is? Pleeeeeeeease, I need a laugh...
Heyyyyyyyyyyyyy........no prob!!!!

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you are one spinelss shit talker shaman. you were probably hiding under your bed on 9-11

:rolleyes: Can we please refrain from immature name calling? Argue the issues all you want, but insulting other people just makes you look juvenile!

shaman the parrot brings it all upon himself.

Use the ignore feature. Take the offensive party right off your screen.

Originally posted by DarkFantasy96
.......but insulting other people just makes you look juvenile!
.....Not to mention his spelling-impairment. :rolleyes:

Or your political ineptitude, which does nothing but make you an easy target for ridicule...

Originally posted by Travh20
korg, you shouldnt talk about saying bad things to people. travh, you and i spar, which i find fun and funny. but there are times when it gets out of hand, and if you check back on most post between you and i , you normally initiate the bad shit. but i dont have a problem with you, your opinionated, just like me, and you like a good laugh, just like me, but i dont throw nasty shit, unless its thrown my way first.......

hey dark fantasy, those poems of yours are kinda depressing.......lol