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DarkFantasy96
09-01-2004, 04:31 PM
Earlier today, I stumbled across a piece of mail from the League of Women Voters. This organization is a nonpartisan group whose members are women with beliefs across the political spectrum, so I don't want to hear about "liberal propaganda this" or "democratic nonsense that".

The issue here is that, as the letter aptly put it, "there is a 'For Sale' sign on the Oval Office". In recent years, special interest groups have controlled increasingly more of our representatives. This means that average Americans have less voice in government than ever before. It also means that publicly funded politicians (those with the integrity to act honestly, and for the American people) are often outstripped in campaigns by privately funded politicians. The reason for this is that privately funded politicians do not have to abide by the same spending limits as publicly funded.

The public financing system, which was designed to end this sort of corruption, is commonly not used by candidates. For example, in the 2000 primaries, George W. Bush opted not to recieve public funding. This allowed him to raise more money, with fewer restrictions. He raised and spent a record amount of $90 million. That was TWICE the amount that publicly funded candidates are allowed to spend! However, before you gert the idea that this post is just bashin Bush, this is by no means a one party phenomenon. Sen. John Kerry, in this year's primaries, also rejected public financing and the spending limits which that includes.

This is not the only example of extreme political corruption. During the 2002 campaign year, parties, candidates, and special interest groups spent a record amount of $1 billion on TV ads alone. Only about half that amount was spent four years before, during the previous mid-term election. Senators from both political parties have said that donations to their parties from private corporations were made based on an "unspoken promise" of support for the concerns of the corporations.

And now, get ready to be shocked, I'm going to do something that is rarely done by liberals: CRITISIZE THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION! That's right folks, lol. During Clinton's re-election campaign in 1996, the Democratic party sold dinners with Clinton to high contributors. This is exactly the type of opportunity that special interest groups hope for! Basically, if they contributed enough, they would get a couple hours with the President to "convince" him to support their interests. Although I don't know for sure, I'd say that Bush and Kerry both do things like this.

Alright, I'm done. What does everyone think?

jerejerebinks
09-01-2004, 04:46 PM
Did you happen to see VH1's Kerry vs. Bush Bling Off....where it compared the high spending of each man.

It talked about Bush's lavish Kangaroo and Rhino leather boots that cost up to 45,000 a pair, and Kerry's personal designed imported ties for which he pays 2,500 a piece.

A little off topic, but just bringing up the sillyness of their spending.

DarkFantasy96
09-01-2004, 04:52 PM
The sad thing is that more people probably watched that than any serious political coverage :rolleyes:

LionelHutz
09-01-2004, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by jerejerebinks
It talked about Bush's lavish Kangaroo and Rhino leather boots that cost up to 45,000 a pair, and Kerry's personal designed imported ties for which he pays 2,500 a piece.

Do they buy those or are they gifts?

jerejerebinks
09-01-2004, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by LionelHutz
Do they buy those or are they gifts?

Lionel,

According to the narrator, Bush got his first pair of boots from this designer as an ignargual gift when he became govenor....and sense then he has bought 25 pairs from him. Another free pair was given to him for a debate against Gore.

It didnt mention Kerry getting any of the ties free....he does get his initials hand stitched above each American flag on the ties in some kind of African silk though, and they dont charge him for the stitching.


It also talked about their hygenists. Bush pays for the worlds most expensive barber to trim and comb his hair before any important speech, and Kerry pays an assistant to read him the newspaper over his morning coffee.

LionelHutz
09-01-2004, 09:53 PM
Originally posted by jerejerebinks
It also talked about their hygenists. Bush pays for the worlds most expensive barber to trim and comb his hair before any important speech, and Kerry pays an assistant to read him the newspaper over his morning coffee.

Real men of the people, aren't they? :)

jerejerebinks
09-01-2004, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by LionelHutz
Real men of the people, aren't they? :)

LOL, a poor man could only wish so.:p

Travh20
09-02-2004, 11:08 AM
Originally posted by jerejerebinks
Bush pays for the worlds most expensive barber to trim and comb his hair before any important speech

I highly doubt that. I am sure the most expensive hair stylist in the world is not trimming bushs side burns.

Karankawa
09-02-2004, 12:46 PM
The League of Women Voters is a very respectable organization. I know that in this area they keep an eye on all the local elections and will send a list of questions to opposing candidates and publish their answers. I wish they would get more media coverage, because I really think they do a good job of keeping party lines out of it.

DarkFantasy96
09-02-2004, 03:18 PM
I very much agree karankawa

Travh20
09-02-2004, 03:30 PM
I have never heard of them, and my first response to a org with a name like that is another lib PAC with a fancy name. But if karankawa says tehy are legit, i will believe it.

DarkFantasy96
09-02-2004, 05:11 PM
I do think they should change their name, to what I have no idea, because of that very reaction trav.

jerejerebinks
09-02-2004, 06:08 PM
Originally posted by Travh20
I highly doubt that. I am sure the most expensive hair stylist in the world is not trimming bushs side burns.

Doubt all you want.

The very respectable VH1 and host Robin Leach are never wrong, lol.