I know this should probably go under metaphysics, but I wanted to post it here, where someone might actually see it. :p

anyway, is there anyone here who's actually had an OBE or an astral travel?

For those of you who don't know what that is, basically, it's when you have a dream that feels extremely realistic, like you're actually awake, except you can move through objects and stuff. Some say that it's your spirit leaving your body and travelling independently.

What's your take on it?

yes

As a matter of fact, quite a few times.

Wow...and the whole time I thought it was the crack:rolleyes:

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
Wow...and the whole time I thought it was the crack:rolleyes:

Are you referring to this as being un-true…? It’s very real. But again, that is my opinion. You preach as if Jesus is something that is real, yet I don’t believe that. But I don’t go around telling you he isn’t real, yet you find it perfectly okay to tell someone what he or she believes is false? I mean, I respect you, but come on.

O.K. Jere, lets talk about what is real and not real.
What has proof and what has no proof.
In Thomasville Ga. as part of a test on out of body experiences I was told to go into a Locked bank vault and describe the layout and contents of a bank. That night I had an out-of-body-experience and entered the vault.
The next day we met at the bank. I described all that I had seen.
When the time release allowed the vault to be opened we entered. Inside the vault was the layout and exact contents I had described. This is only one of many times that my experiences were documented by people that are living today.

In your post you try to discredit that which can be proven.
Yet, in post after post you push faith in a book written thousands of years ago. No proof, no living witnesses. How closed minded.

Seems that you would be happy to hear of proof that something exists in man that is not of the flesh. Something that I believe will continue after death.
I am fortunate to witness personally the things I believe in.
Sorry that you have to put faith in the cold written words of dead men that cannot be proven.
I have seen many miracles but no proof of a God. Therefore I remain Agnostic.

hey Dan

can you enter into the future and get me the winning lottery #'s :D If you can't do that I'll settle for some rich person's bank acount #'s :)

Originally posted by Overdose
Are you referring to this as being un-true…? It’s very real. But again, that is my opinion. You preach as if Jesus is something that is real, yet I don’t believe that. But I don’t go around telling you he isn’t real, yet you find it perfectly okay to tell someone what he or she believes is false? I mean, I respect you, but come on.


How in the world did you get that load of crap out of what I said???

When did I ever say anything they were talking about wasn't real?

I find it perfectly okay to tell someone what he or she believes is false...ummm Ok, show me where I told them what they were talking about was false....

Originally posted by Dan Fussell
O.K. Jere, lets talk about what is real and not real.
What has proof and what has no proof.
In Thomasville Ga. as part of a test on out of body experiences I was told to go into a Locked bank vault and describe the layout and contents of a bank. That night I had an out-of-body-experience and entered the vault.
The next day we met at the bank. I described all that I had seen.
When the time release allowed the vault to be opened we entered. Inside the vault was the layout and exact contents I had described. This is only one of many times that my experiences were documented by people that are living today.

In your post you try to discredit that which can be proven.
Yet, in post after post you push faith in a book written thousands of years ago. No proof, no living witnesses. How closed minded.

Seems that you would be happy to hear of proof that something exists in man that is not of the flesh. Something that I believe will continue after death.
I am fortunate to witness personally the things I believe in.
Sorry that you have to put faith in the cold written words of dead men that cannot be proven.
I have seen many miracles but no proof of a God. Therefore I remain Agnostic.

Ok, like I said to Overdose....

Show me where I said what they belived in was wrong???


And while we are on the topic.....

You say I believe in a book that was written thousands of years ago....and I do. Lets suppose youre bank vault phenomenon was documented by 20 people that were that day. And put in a book. Thousands of years later....people find it, and say hmmmm, no proof of this, so I dont believe it. But yet......it did happen.

I believe there was a case one time, where a man journeyed performing real miracles, and its documents can be found in a book....but sense it was thousands of years ago, it must be false.


Exuse me?

Wow...and the whole time I thought it was the crack

Referring to you thinking that her ideals and beliefs are ones that would be associated with someone who takes crack. Who typically isn’t very educated and smart. Which is a direct insult on her beliefs. I suggest you read

You say I believe in a book that was written thousands of years ago....and I do. Lets suppose youre bank vault phenomenon was documented by 20 people that were that day. And put in a book. Thousands of years later....people find it, and say hmmmm, no proof of this, so I dont believe it. But yet......it did happen.
If I read it a thousand years, screw it, 50 years later and all it said was "I saw it the same as I saw it in the dream", I wouldn't believe a word of it either. I have doubt if it actually happened now, as I personally have seen no proof. If it was possible to scientifically document it properly, then I would have greater reason to believe it, and have the same reason to believe it two thousand years from now, maybe even more than that. I can write whatever I want in a book, and two thousand years later somebody may not know better. Now if I put in data, eye witness accounts, and tangiable evidence that it occured, somebody would actually have reason to believe it for more than just faith.

Originally posted by Overdose
Wow...and the whole time I thought it was the crack

Referring to you thinking that her ideals and beliefs are ones that would be associated with someone who takes crack. Who typically isn’t very educated and smart. Which is a direct insult on her beliefs. I suggest you read

If your sensativity really makes you feel this way towards my comment, than I am sorry.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
If your sensativity really makes you feel this way towards my comment, than I am sorry.

That's okay...I'm over it. ;)

lol, thanks. No hard feelings.

I'm glad to see so many people who actually believe in it and/or have actually experienced it themselves. my trips tend to move too fast for my own liking.

does anyone else wake up really worn out after they've taken a trip?

Draft, the only time that I have had a bad feeling is when I was snapped back too fast by an alarm clock, ringing telephone etc.
One time I was awakened by the screaming of a girl that had stayed overnight. She was terrified. When I got her quiet enough to ask her what was wrong she stated that she had observed me standing at the foot of the bed while still sleeping next to her in bed. Unfortunately she got dressed, went home, and never came back.

thats pretty freaky did the you at the foot of the bed have a knife in your hand or something?

No