If and probably when I kill myself,
because of
OCD, I just hope that
God is Merciful to me, and that I still go to Heaven.

What kind of SADISTIC BEAST, of a Creator, would allow the "Beings of Light" /Angels, or
would make me Re-Incarnate and Re-Live the
OCD Nightmare?

By OCD you mean Obsessive Compuslive Disorder???

You would kill yourself over that?

And, the bible teaches that you cannot go to Heavan if you take the life which God has given to you.

Why be afraid of a non-existant entity?

Oh please Lithorien, give us a break.

Youre melodramatics will go noted though. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
Oh please Lithorien, give us a break.

Youre melodramatics will go noted though. :rolleyes:

*laughs*

I have as much right to proclaim my beliefs as truth as you do.

Originally posted by Lithorien
*laughs*

I have as much right to proclaim my beliefs as truth as you do.

Yes, you do, but does that mean when this dude is talking about killing himself, you need to bring up that belief. He asked a question about going to Heaven when he killed himself, and the only comment you make is God isn't real.

Seems a little inappropriate to be stating that at such a time.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
Yes, you do, but does that mean when this dude is talking about killing himself, you need to bring up that belief. He asked a question about going to Heaven when he killed himself, and the only comment you make is God isn't real.

Seems a little inappropriate to be stating that at such a time.

He asked the question, I gave an answer. Inappropriate? I'll give you that one.

Fair Enough

Fan, would you put down an interesting book before you found out how the main character came out in the end? Would your natural curiosity allow this?
So is your life! A book of a charactor with adversity, challenges that no one else understands, he endures[yes] but still presses forward.
In this book he can learn to turn inward for his answers. Inward, to the very depths of his conciousness, where all answers are contained. Find that within which is the link with all that is. Once you link to the River of Knowledge peace will come. The key to this awareness is within not external.

Mans religions missed the boat and have caused confusion, anguish, self-doubt and a feeling of being lost to many.

Do not consider leaving this life without living it to its fullest and learning all you can of those things that really matter.
Because of your condition, you are special, and able to view the world as I cannot. Look for that which the seeing cannot see.

Suicide is an eternal solution to a temporary problem.

That if and probably when I kill
myself,

That I can Plead my Case, before God and the Angels,
but is God a SADIST ??
that he would make me Re-Live the
OCD Nightmare, and make the SAME MISTAKES all over again.

I hope God has Mercy on Me,

Dr. George Ritchie on Near-Death.com says for people with Mental illness, and OCD is a Mental illness, that their are No Negative Consequences,
So SICK and TIRED of OCD
So Sick of it.

My Prayer to God is This:

Dear God, Please KILL ME TODAY, in my Sleep, but if I should Kill myself, don't make me Re-live the OCD Nightmare,
I've Suffered too Much,

Don't Re-Incarnate me, only to Re-Live the Horror.

Maybe A Prayer like this would be more sensible.


Heavenly Father,

Lord, I realize that my body is not perfect, but I know that you are. I know that through you, I can live with whatever ails me. Lord, I ask you, that you give me the strength to meet each day and overcome each obstacle. Lord, you're a loving God, and I praise you for that. I am only asking that you help me through this, Lord if youre will calls for me to be cured, than let it be, but if it doesn't, I know it is best, because your will is so much more than mine. Lord, I lift up my problems to you, because your word says we can cast our burdens at your feet. Lord Thank you for being such a loving and passionate God.

In the Name Of Your Son Jesus Christ, I Pray.

Amen.



Taf, I'm not telling you how to pray, what you want to say to God is entirely up to you, I'm just saying that a prayer like the one I typed is much more sensible than asking God to kill you.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
Taf, I'm not telling you how to pray, what you want to say to God is entirely up to you, I'm just saying that a prayer like the one I typed is much more sensible than asking God to kill you.

And suggesting that he get professional help for his OCD would be more sensible than suggesting prayer.

If you must suggest that he pray to solve his problems, why not suggest he pray for the strength to seek medical help, rather than to "cast our burdens at your feet"?

I agree Vile, Even in Jere's Bible it would advise to seek to help ones self.

Before I respond to the two prior posts, let me address something that Dan just said....EVEN IN JERE'S BIBLE....I hope I am reading this wrong...but there is no JERES Bible. I do not indiviually own the rights of the Bible...there is no Bible that says The Book Itended For Jeremiah to read. I read the same Bible that has been read through the generations.


Secondly...it is fine for him to ask to get medical help, and well he should. Doctors can only do what God allows. They may physically doing the work, but God controls if you make it through surgery or if you dont. (And all other relating medical moments)
When you give youre trust to God, you are telling him I trust you to lead me to the place (rather it be a certain hospital or specialist) that I need to be.

God Helps Those Who Help Themselves.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
I read the same Bible that has been read through the generations.
Which version would that be? ::snort:: King James?

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Which version would that be? ::snort:: King James?

*hands you a kleenex* That would be correct.

Maybe the question you should be asking instead of being afraid, would be do you respect the God/Gods that you believe in?

Originally posted by mad dog
Maybe the question you should be asking instead of being afraid, would be do you respect the God/Gods that you believe in?

It's a tad bit bigger of a deal then just respect.

Of course we have respect for God...but we also have respect for our mail man.

We live our lives with total dependency on God...so naturally we fear God.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
We live our lives with total dependency on God...so naturally we fear God.
I find this a curious statement. What exactly do you mean by "total dependency"?

Originally posted by BorgHunter
I find this a curious statement. What exactly do you mean by "total dependency"?

We are totally dependent on God, because the Lords will is so much greater than our own.


In John 5:30, Jesus said, "I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me."

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
We are totally dependent on God, because the Lords will is so much greater than our own.
I daresay then, if God willed it, he could force me to become a Christian, or even just show me enough evidence to believe in Christianity. It hasn't happened yet.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
I daresay then, if God willed it, he could force me to become a Christian, or even just show me enough evidence to believe in Christianity. It hasn't happened yet.


I dont mean this in any disrespect, but maybe youre being too nieve to accept evidence....and besides, you shouldnt need evidence....thats what having faith is all about. Believing in those things which you cant see.

And God has willed for you to be saved...the bible says, for all that call upon the name of the lord shall be saved.

I am not going to tell you what to do, but you know what I'm getting at.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
I dont mean this in any disrespect, but maybe youre being too nieve to accept evidence....and besides, you shouldnt need evidence....thats what having faith is all about. Believing in those things which you cant see.
I shouldn't need evidence? I should just "have faith"? What reason is there for me to have faith? I see no evidence; thus I do not believe.

And I'm not being naïve. You're being naïve by accepting something as fact when there is no logical reason to believe it.

The only difference between us, is that you need evidence to know something in youre heart....and I know in my heart that I know, that I know, that I know.

I have no reason to need proof from God. Even if I wanted it, The Bible says do not tempt thy God.

I have no right to ask God to prove anything to me, and I am more than fine with that. If that makes me Nieve, I am.

Ok, jar.

You have to give me all of your money or you will be killed.

Since you accept one thing on faith, why not that?

Originally posted by Lithorien
Ok, jar.

You have to give me all of your money or you will be killed.

Since you accept one thing on faith, why not that?

Lithorien,

Not to ruin your fun, but if I offered you what money I have, you'd probably kill me for waisting your time. :p

In John 5:30, Jesus said, "I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me."
Notice he says "I". That was Jesus, the prophet, the supposed son of god. He's supposed to act on god's will alone, that's his purpose, he was sent by god, he'll listen to him. That does not pertain to us, we are fully human, we have free will, we were not sent by god to give out a message. The bible says to live in his way, but not to do nothing on your own. We are not fully dependant on god, we have free will. He gave that to us.

I have no right to ask God to prove anything to me, and I am more than fine with that.
No right? Why not? He gave us free will, he gave us the ability to live without him, he is supposedly the ultimate, why can't he face his own consequences? We have logic, whether we were given to us by god or through the snake and the Tree of Knowledge is debatable, but he placed the tree there regardless. He should have known what would happen, if he didn't, then he's not as great as you think. The consequence would be that we would think, we would come to a logical conculsion, and that would require proof in some form for something.

That was arguing on your grounds. Now on mine. Do not tempt thy god? What kind of bullshit is that? Sounds like "don't think, ignorance is bliss". Let's all have everything dictated to us by those who head the religion! All hail Aristotle! All hail authoritariansim! All hail the bloody pope.

Blib,

While I appreciate your comments, here is whats wrong.

You said that passage in John being said by Jesus only pertained to himself, yet we are told throughout the Bible to be Christ like....and follow in his examples.

You say "do not tempt thy God" is BS....and maybe it is something we do not understand, but God is God, no matter what your though and logic tell you. His will is greater than ours. He gave you free will so you can make your own decisions...and obviously youve made yours.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
[It's a tad bit bigger of a deal then just respect.

I disagree, we fear the unknown, but why fear something you would love?

Of course we have respect for God...but we also have respect for our mail man.

Some people may hate their mail man, and there can be different levels of respect. Take water, you love to swim but you also fear drowning. So is it the thought of dying or is it the water that you fear? You have to have a respect for things otherwise you learn nothing, fear keeps people from learning truths.

We live our lives with total dependency on God...so naturally we fear God. [

Total dependency, I think more like no dependency. God gave us life and a place to live it, what we do with it from there is our doing not some higher ups. Infact I would almost bet God is a little dependent on us to take care of Its creations????

You said that passage in John being said by Jesus only pertained to himself, yet we are told throughout the Bible to be Christ like....and follow in his examples.
Let's put that passage into context first:

"19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."

Right, he was specifically talking about himself as the son of god. Not himself as a person, but as the son of god, what he spoke about pertained to the son of god, not the human. He said to follow in his example, but not to do exactly what he did, for he was different. Saying to do that there would be the same as telling you to die at 30 to get rid of everyone's sins. That was what the son of god did, not what the human did.

You say "do not tempt thy God" is BS....and maybe it is something we do not understand, but God is God, no matter what your though and logic tell you. His will is greater than ours. He gave you free will so you can make your own decisions...and obviously youve made yours.
My point is that since he gave us free will, he should not ask us to worship him, should not tell us to do things. That's slavery, we are concsious, we think, have free will, and slavery is not something imposed on one like that. It was his fault in allowing us to have free will, in creating us. If he actually did.

Originally posted by Blibblob
Let's put that passage into context first:

"19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."

Right, he was specifically talking about himself as the son of god. Not himself as a person, but as the son of god, what he spoke about pertained to the son of god, not the human. He said to follow in his example, but not to do exactly what he did, for he was different. Saying to do that there would be the same as telling you to die at 30 to get rid of everyone's sins. That was what the son of god did, not what the human did.

We are told to be more Christ like even though we know we can never reach the things we did. Yeah maybe well never be asked to die on a cross for the sins of the world, but the fact is, we are supposed to live our lives as Christ did.

Although Christ is much more than us, we are asked to ATTEMPT to be more like him. We only try....we do the best we can humanly to...to be as he was.



[QUOTE]My point is that since he gave us free will, he should not ask us to worship him, should not tell us to do things. That's slavery, we are concsious, we think, have free will, and slavery is not something imposed on one like that. It was his fault in allowing us to have free will, in creating us. If he actually did.

In the end, It doesnt really matter what you think he should have done, the point is thats the way it is. Gods will is more than ours, and we accept all things for his Glory.

I cant help it if Psycology and Science mean more to you than Faith....thats your decision.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
I cant help it if Psycology and Science mean more to you than Faith....thats your decision.
Psychology and science can be proven. Faith cannot. Science trumps faith. Thus, science is more important.

Originally posted by mad dog
I disagree, we fear the unknown, but why fear something you would love?

We do not fear God in the sense that hes a mean little kid with a magnifying class waiting to burn us like bugs (THANK YOU BRUCE ALMIGHTY.) This Fear of the Lord is not a negative thing, simply an ever present reminder that while we are forgiven through the blood of Jesus, we are still accountable before God for our actions. In other words, the blood of Jesus is not a license to do as we please.

"The LORD Almighty is the one you are to regard as holy, he is the one you are to fear." Isaiah 8:13

Some people may hate their mail man, and there can be different levels of respect. Take water, you love to swim but you also fear drowning. So is it the thought of dying or is it the water that you fear? You have to have a respect for things otherwise you learn nothing, fear keeps people from learning truths.



[QUOTE]Total dependency, I think more like no dependency. God gave us life and a place to live it, what we do with it from there is our doing not some higher ups. Infact I would almost bet God is a little dependent on us to take care of Its creations????

God has no reason and no need of dependency on us. He is our creator and the controller of the universe. Although he gives us the ability to do work here on Earth, he doesnt need us to.

“Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own under-standing. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5-6

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Psychology and science can be proven. Faith cannot. Science trumps faith. Thus, science is more important.


On in the eyes of those who don't have faith. Its like a poor mans treasure. His little...I dont know....Toy (Science) is more important to him than a CEO's millions (faith) because he knows he doesnt have any.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
On in the eyes of those who don't have faith. Its like a poor mans treasure. His little...I dont know....Toy (Science) is more important to him than a CEO's millions (faith) because he knows he doesnt have any.
Um...what? That analogy made NO sense...

I apologize.

Let me just put it out there like this.

You only think Science is more important because you have no faith. If you had faith, you would know it was more important, but sense you dont have it, you know nothing of its importance.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
You only think Science is more important because you have no faith. If you had faith, you would know it was more important, but sense you dont have it, you know nothing of its importance.
OK, let me pose these questions: A) Without science, where would we be? And along the same lines, B) Without faith, where would we be?

Answers: A) Still living in mud huts, and B) Further along than where we are now, due to lack of science-hating fundies.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
OK, let me pose these questions: A) Without science, where would we be? And along the same lines, B) Without faith, where would we be?

Answers: A) Still living in mud huts, and B) Further along than where we are now, due to lack of science-hating fundies.

I find it interesting that you base these answers on absolutely nothing other than the FAITH that yourself is right.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
I find it interesting that you base these answers on absolutely nothing other than the FAITH that yourself is right.
'Fraid not. I based my answers on the simple fact that SCIENCE is what got us inventions from the wheel to computers...not faith. Perhaps B is more theory than fact...but my point still remains.

And, you specifically avoided the questions I posed. Answer them, if you would please.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
OK, let me pose these questions: A) Without science, where would we be? And along the same lines, B) Without faith, where would we be?

Answers: A) Still living in mud huts, and B) Further along than where we are now, due to lack of science-hating fundies.

Sorry I didnt answer your questions....I never did feel right taking a test when I had the answers in front of me.:p

A) WITHOUT SCIENCE, WHERE WOULD WE BE? I agree science has helped us get a long way, but my opinion differs in that God has full power over all scientific things.

B) WITHOUT FAITH, WHERE WOULD WE BE? Probably in Europe. Lord willing, a lot of people came here years ago for their religious beliefs....a lot of which....giving us the chance to be here now. Or perhaps we wouldnt be here at all.....because of Noah's faith in the lord, he was spared, thus saving the human race.

Because of my OCD,

I nearly died several times, and ONCE , I had to spend
three days in the hospital from a low blood count
from Depakote, Part of me wishes I did die,

I just pray that if and Probably when I eventually kill myself , that God and/or the "Beings of Light" forgive me, and that their are No Negative Consequences,

I am VERY afraid of what God and the "Beings of Light" Might do to me,
Would God make the Dutch Painter Vincent Van Gogh, Re-live his Mental illness NIGHTMARE, Van Gogh killed himself,
didn't Van Gogh suffer Enough??

Or, how about Michael J. Fox, if he killed himself, would God make him Re-Live his Hellish Parkinson's life??

That's SICK.

Originally posted by TheAuthenticFan
Because of my OCD,

I nearly died several times, and ONCE , I had to spend
three days in the hospital from a low blood count
from Depakote, Part of me wishes I did die,

I just pray that if and Probably when I eventually kill myself , that God and/or the "Beings of Light" forgive me, and that their are No Negative Consequences,

I am VERY afraid of what God and the "Beings of Light" Might do to me,
Would God make the Dutch Painter Vincent Van Gogh, Re-live his Mental illness NIGHTMARE, Van Gogh killed himself,
didn't Van Gogh suffer Enough??

Or, how about Michael J. Fox, if he killed himself, would God make him Re-Live his Hellish Parkinson's life??

That's SICK.

Authentic,

Please try to answer these questions directly so we may better communicate...please dont go off on another topic.

1) Beings of light??? What in the world are you talking about???

2) What do you mean, make you live your night mare over again? Do you think hes going to send you back to Earth with a worse case of OCD??? If you commit suicide thats the least of your worries.

3) Um, Michael J. Fox is a very brave man, instead of worrying about killing himself all the time, he gets out there and tries to make a difference with the fight against Parkinsons.

Although Christ is much more than us, we are asked to ATTEMPT to be more like him. We only try....we do the best we can humanly to...to be as he was.
It was a long response to a direct question on him being the son of god. You can be the son of god, go ahead. I just see it alot, "hey this looks good" "The context?" "Er... Uh, this piece looks good!"

In the end, It doesnt really matter what you think he should have done, the point is thats the way it is. Gods will is more than ours, and we accept all things for his Glory.
I wasn't saying what he should have done, I was saying what he did, and the consequences of such an act.

You only think Science is more important because you have no faith. If you had faith, you would know it was more important, but sense you dont have it, you know nothing of its importance.
I think science is far more important. I used to have faith, I used to be the perfect little catholic, the perfect little christian. I went to church every sunday, went to the sunday school, even spent a year at a religious school. Frankly, that was stupid. I wasted years of my life buying into that shit. I know what you think about your faith. I know the reasons behind it, flat out ignorance and fear. We've heard that before, "you don't believe, so it's impossible for you to understand", that is quite insulting.

I agree science has helped us get a long way, but my opinion differs in that God has full power over all scientific things.
Wait, isn't that directly contradictory to that free will thing?

Probably in Europe. Lord willing, a lot of people came here years ago for their religious beliefs....a lot of which....giving us the chance to be here now. Or perhaps we wouldnt be here at all.....because of Noah's faith in the lord, he was spared, thus saving the human race.
In Europe? No, people came over here to make money, not for religious freedom. Religious freedom was one colony, that's it. Noah's ark? I don't even want to get into that one... There isn't even enough water on the planet to flood the world.

Originally posted by Blibblob
It was a long response to a direct question on him being the son of god. You can be the son of god, go ahead. I just see it alot, "hey this looks good" "The context?" "Er... Uh, this piece looks good!"

But you attempted to contradict my statement to be more Christ like by saying that by him being the son of God, we are not to try to be like him. I apologize if the response was overly long.

I wasn't saying what he should have done, I was saying what he did, and the consequences of such an act.

You said that "he shouldn't ask us to worship him".....in my opinion that is you saying what you think he should do.

I think science is far more important. I used to have faith, I used to be the perfect little catholic, the perfect little christian. I went to church every sunday, went to the sunday school, even spent a year at a religious school. Frankly, that was stupid. I wasted years of my life buying into that shit. I know what you think about your faith. I know the reasons behind it, flat out ignorance and fear. We've heard that before, "you don't believe, so it's impossible for you to understand", that is quite insulting.


I in no way meant to insult you....although you may have went to church when you was a kid, does not give you a great deal of insight on what it is to be a christian. You may know the bible, may know doctrine, and you may think you know weak sides to christianity. But, I still think you perfer science over faith, because you do not have faith...and the example you gave of turning on that and now dropping lines like "buying into that s***" really gives insight on why you feel this way.

Wait, isn't that directly contradictory to that free will thing?

Absolutely not. God willed scientific happenings. Of course, Edison invented the light bulb, but it was God who planted the idea in his head and led him to invent it.

In Europe? No, people came over here to make money, not for religious freedom. Religious freedom was one colony, that's it. Noah's ark? I don't even want to get into that one... There isn't even enough water on the planet to flood the world.


Theres a lot more colonies than one founded primarily on the basis of religion. Plymouth, Massachussets, Pennsylvania, Maryland.....

And The bible talks about how God reshaped the Earth after the flood, thus now making it seem as though the water could not flood it.....but it did.

But you attempted to contradict my statement to be more Christ like by saying that by him being the son of God, we are not to try to be like him. I apologize if the response was overly long.
No, I was simply saying that that circumstance was specific to him being the son of god.

You said that "he shouldn't ask us to worship him".....in my opinion that is you saying what you think he should do.
I was saying what he shouldn't do now, not saying what he should have done. I can't change the past.

I still go to church, I blame that on my grandmother. I know the dogma, the bible, and all that other blah ditty blah. I trust science because it's actually dependable, it's provable beyond a reasonable doubt, it takes a lot to claim something with science, it takes nothing to claim something regarding religion. Just ask L Ron Hubbard that.

Absolutely not. God willed scientific happenings. Of course, Edison invented the light bulb, but it was God who planted the idea in his head and led him to invent it.
I consider free will not messing with anything in somebody's mind, not even subconsious suggestions, because our subconsious doesn't have free will on it's own, only our conscious. There is no loop hole.

Theres a lot more colonies than one founded primarily on the basis of religion. Plymouth, Massachussets, Pennsylvania, Maryland.....
Only one was founded on religious freedom. There were just a lot of religious people in Europe at the time. Religion was not a good motivator as there were Puritans, other protestants, Catholics, Anglicans. And they all hated each other.

And The bible talks about how God reshaped the Earth after the flood, thus now making it seem as though the water could not flood it.....but it did.
Prove it.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Blibblob
No, I was simply saying that that circumstance was specific to him being the son of god.

But thats not the point. The point behind this point is that we are to be Christlike, no matter what. It doesnt matter that he is the son of God. We are still supposed to strive to be like him.

I was saying what he shouldn't do now, not saying what he should have done. I can't change the past.
I still go to church, I blame that on my grandmother. I know the dogma, the bible, and all that other blah ditty blah. I trust science because it's actually dependable, it's provable beyond a reasonable doubt, it takes a lot to claim something with science, it takes nothing to claim something regarding religion. Just ask L Ron Hubbard that.

It doesnt matter rather you are saying what he shouldnt do, what he should do, what he should do in the future, the fact is, I said he doesnt need you to tell him how to run things. He does a pretty good job as is.

I consider free will not messing with anything in somebody's mind, not even subconsious suggestions, because our subconsious doesn't have free will on it's own, only our conscious. There is no loop hole.

In order for God's will to be done, it doesnt have to be subconsious....if something happens rather it just pops in your head, or you do it on accident, you done it because it was in God's will.

Only one was founded on religious freedom. There were just a lot of religious people in Europe at the time. Religion was not a good motivator as there were Puritans, other protestants, Catholics, Anglicans. And they all hated each other.

Plymouth was founded by The Purasists for religious freedom, Pennsylvania was founded for the Quakers to enjoy free worship, Maryland was founded strictly as a Catholic safe haven, and Massachussetts was founded by Seperatists wanting to break from the Church of England.

And The bible talks about how God reshaped the Earth after the flood, thus now making it seem as though the water could not flood it.....but it did.
Prove it. [/B]

1Then God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the animals that were with him in the ark. And God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters subsided. 2The fountains of the deep and the windows of heaven were also stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained. 3And the waters receded continually from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters decreased.

Verse 5 above hints that Noah began to see new mountain peaks pushed upward out of the water. In addition to those formed by the collision of surface plates, there was an unprecedented (and never-repeated) level of volcanic activity causing new mountains to rise. Since Noah's day, volcanic activity has abated greatly, but still continues to create islands and mountains along the fault lines created in Noah's day.

The rising mountains would have speeded the process of draining. In the United States, we see evidence that the rising Rocky Mountains pushed great torrents of water south and west, through what we now call the Grand Canyon. In order to create the Grand Canyon, the ground must have been very soft and the volume of water must have been hundreds of times the present flow of the Colorado River.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks

The rising mountains would have speeded the process of draining. In the United States, we see evidence that the rising Rocky Mountains pushed great torrents of water south and west, through what we now call the Grand Canyon. In order to create the Grand Canyon, the ground must have been very soft and the volume of water must have been hundreds of times the present flow of the Colorado River.

If you are willing to accept that the Grand Canyon was formed by the Biblical flood, and all of the water west of the Rocky Mountains went through the Grand Canyon, what happened to all the water east of the Rockies...I mean...where's the canyon that would have been formed by all that water?

Come to think of it, with all the mountains in the world that would have been formed at the same time, why aren't there many "Grand Canyons" around the world?

Literally.... TERRIFIED of what God, or the Beings of Light, will do to me, if and Probably when I kill myself because of OCD.

But thats not the point. The point behind this point is that we are to be Christlike, no matter what. It doesnt matter that he is the son of God. We are still supposed to strive to be like him.
Just because you say it's not the point, doesn't make it so. He was specifically answering a question about his godliness or such. He was specifically stating what he has to do because he is the son of god. He was not making a point about what good people should do. He was strictly answering a question.

He does a pretty good job as is.
I really don't think so. I think if he actually existed his is more like a child and the events thousands of years ago were due to panic, not thought. I don't think your god has the capacity to think ahead. I see no evidence in the bible that he has the ability to do that. I think he's hiding under a rock hoping we'll go away since he has no clue what to do.

In order for God's will to be done, it doesnt have to be subconsious....if something happens rather it just pops in your head, or you do it on accident, you done it because it was in God's will.
Oh, so it doesn't have to be subconscious? He can interfere directly with free will?

Plymouth was founded by The Purasists for religious freedom, Pennsylvania was founded for the Quakers to enjoy free worship, Maryland was founded strictly as a Catholic safe haven, and Massachussetts was founded by Seperatists wanting to break from the Church of England.
They were founded by religious people, but not necessarily for religious reasons, some political, some just families look for a new life. Flee for religious freedom? What was that? What religious freedom did you get over here that you didn't in England? None, this wasn't the time of Bloody Mary. The colonies were for money. Millions of acres of wood, millions of acres of free land, millions of acres of possible farming land. They wanted the colonies for money, hence the Navigation acts.

Verse 5 above hints that Noah began to see new mountain peaks pushed upward out of the water.
No it doesn't. It says that he could see the mountains. It makes no mention that they are new, old, whatever. Nowhere does it say "new". "And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month. In the tenth month, on the first day of the month, the tops of the mountains were seen." There, do you see the word "new"?

In addition to those formed by the collision of surface plates, there was an unprecedented (and never-repeated) level of volcanic activity causing new mountains to rise. Since Noah's day, volcanic activity has abated greatly, but still continues to create islands and mountains along the fault lines created in Noah's day.
Really? There was? There was volcanic activity and melting of glaciers near where we think Noah's ark might have been, Mt. Ararat. I don't know of any worldwide increase of it. That matters little anyways, mountains caused by volcanos are not the majority. Mountain ranges, certainly not. Volcanos really only occur around the edges of the plates. It seems to me that the astronomically large number of volcanic eruptions that would be required to rise land above a totally flooded earth would cause the crust to sink into where the mantel used to be, and we would see obvious mountain ranges around the edges of the tectonic plates. Unless god threw in a lot of magical mumbo jumbo, possibility? I think not.

The rising mountains would have speeded the process of draining. In the United States, we see evidence that the rising Rocky Mountains pushed great torrents of water south and west, through what we now call the Grand Canyon. In order to create the Grand Canyon, the ground must have been very soft and the volume of water must have been hundreds of times the present flow of the Colorado River.
What? The Grand Canyon was caused by thousand upon thousands of years of erosion. A quick torrent of water creates mudslides, not canyons, or valleys or such. It slides along the entire top, causing little actual sinking into the earth, the clay would have had to of been far too soft, it would have collapsed upon itself right after the formation of the canyon even if that did happen.