Serophis, wanted to debate religion or Christianity and sexuality. I’m going to start this thread off very simply.

Leviticus 20:13... 13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

That in a nut-shell clearly stats that it is an abomination or sin to commit homosexuality. Yet, I’m fairly confused on why everyone is created out of God’s image, which would mean that homosexuality is apart of God, since it’s in his image. And how many Christians thinks Gays should be put to death…? As it clearly stats in this passage.

Leviticus 13:10... 10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you

But in this quote, it clearly stats that it’s an abomination or sin to eat animals in the waters that don’t have scales and or fins. Eating a shrimp cocktail is also an abomination. Very ironic how that works out.

Now tell me…why do people care so much about homosexuality being an abomination, but then they slurp down shrimp cocktails…?

Anyway, discuss what you will in here.

Originally posted by Overdose
Serophis, wanted to debate religion or Christianity and sexuality. I’m going to start this thread off very simply.

Leviticus 20:13... 13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

That in a nut-shell clearly stats that it is an abomination or sin to commit homosexuality. Yet, I’m fairly confused on why everyone is created out of God’s image, which would mean that homosexuality is apart of God, since it’s in his image. Man was created in God's image IMO. Doesnt mean all of man's actions directly reflect God's image. Homosexuality is a choice that men and women make IMO. Nuff said.

A better question is why the hell do people even care who anybody else sleeps with.......because their lives are so pitifull and hopeless that the only satisfaction they can get is from trying to keep others from enjoying themselves. Religion demands that one subjugate their logic and close their eyes to common sense.

Echo, I think the issue here is what the bible says regarding sexuality in general and homosexuality specifically, not "why do people care".

Some people use the Bible as the basis of there feelings about homosexuality, and that particular passage is pretty specific in its condemnation of the practice. There are few people however who still feel that gays should be put to death. I wonder how the people who claim that the Bible is the "infallible word of god" get around this point.

Originally posted by HaVoK
Man was created in God's image IMO. Doesnt mean all of man's actions directly reflect God's image.

I'm not sure what you mean by that exactly. I think you mean that God created us only in his physical "image", i.e. we look like him outwardly but inside we're much different...correct?

That in a nut-shell clearly stats that it is an abomination or sin to commit homosexuality.
Only if you're a man. Which means lesbians are okay! WHOO! :D

This is the old testament. God has had his people wipe out entire cities for being different. He killed all of Egypt's first born sons. He struck you down with a mighty fist for looking at him odd. He was jealous, intolerent, cruel, uncaring. Why did god create a world of people only to like ten of them, and attempt to kill the rest? The old testament just might be more guesome than the news.

...mmm.... shrimp cocktail.... LOOK AT ME I'M A SINNER! lol...

Originally posted by Vilepagan
I'm not sure what you mean by that exactly. I think you mean that God created us only in his physical "image", i.e. we look like him outwardly but inside we're much different...correct? Yup. Free will and all that rot.

I don't think you people are sufficently excited! RAISE THE ALARM! EATING SHRIMP IS A SIN!

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh! We disagree with homosexuals, but not with people who eat shrimp! We have groups like godhatesfags, but not godhatespeoplewhoeatshrimp...

I believe humans wrote religious texts (for any religion). So when I look at statements in the bible, I see them as written for specific purposes behind specific reasonings by people to be applied to the people in the time and locale of the text's creation.

In this case, procreation might be a primary reason. When older religions were founded, it was usually times when merely having a significant percentage of homosexuals in a society might impede its continuation because of living conditions (life expectancy), infants mortality, and warring treats. Basically, they couldn't afford to have too many homosexuals.

That's just my theory. It has foundation on Sociology, Cultural Anthropology and Historical Biology (relatively new, read Guns, Germs, and Steel). In short, taboos in all society/religion, however strange when seemed today, mostly were founded on the basis of practical purposes at the time and place.

these little gay boys think they are so clever and smart. no one is stopping oyu from being apeter pumper so just move on. you enjoy believing people are out to get you. If people were really out to get you you would know it and you would be scared shitless. stop acting so oppressed, you can do anything you want so just grow up. stop using your gayness as a way to attack religion.

Trav, have you eaten shrimp?

Originally posted by Travh20
these little gay boys think they are so clever and smart. no one is stopping oyu from being apeter pumper so just move on. you enjoy believing people are out to get you. If people were really out to get you you would know it and you would be scared shitless. stop acting so oppressed, you can do anything you want so just grow up. stop using your gayness as a way to attack religion.
Stop using your religion as a way to attack homosexuality.

I am a Christian who doesn't believe in Gay marriage, but don't think it should be legally outlawed.

I do not think homosexuality is something your born with. You develop it in your mind. Feminality you might be born with. But lust for a guy (or for the lesbians--girls) is a decision.

The bible says that it is a sin to be gay, so it is.

We are made in God's physical apperance, and are to ask and try to live as holy as him. Even though we know we cannot, the strive and will do so are what count.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks

I do not think homosexuality is something your born with. You develop it in your mind. Feminality you might be born with. But lust for a guy (or for the lesbians--girls) is a decision.

Feminality?


The bible says that it is a sin to be gay, so it is.


Actually the Bible doesn't say it's a sin, it says it's an abomination.

About the shrimp. Does stating certain things are abonimations neccessarily mean it's a sin to eat them? I never read the bible, so I am not familiar with what synonyms are used for "eat", but from the sentence you provided it would seem that all you have to do is to think sea creatures without fins and scales are disgusting, that's all.

Originally posted by Vilepagan

Actually the Bible doesn't say it's a sin, it says it's an abomination.

An abomination of God is a sin.

First came man,then came sex and then the bible.

You can pass laws against marriage bible or otherwise and inforce them.

You can pass laws against sex bible or otherwise and you will never inforce them.

(Sex the most fun that you can have with out laughing in or out of marriage.)

Originally posted by Dio Seijuro
About the shrimp. Does stating certain things are abonimations neccessarily mean it's a sin to eat them? I never read the bible, so I am not familiar with what synonyms are used for "eat", but from the sentence you provided it would seem that all you have to do is to think sea creatures without fins and scales are disgusting, that's all.

Here's the passage within the context of the surrounding passages.

Leviticus 11:9-11

9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.

It does say that, however it is old testiment law.

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Originally posted by Echo2
A better question is why the hell do people even care who anybody else sleeps with.......because their lives are so pitifull and hopeless that the only satisfaction they can get is from trying to keep others from enjoying themselves. Religion demands that one subjugate their logic and close their eyes to common sense.

A christian with out an anemy has no cause.

Originally posted by Perry5
A christian with out an anemy has no cause. whats an anemy so that i may know what my cause is from now on

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
It does say that, however it is old testiment law.

What's your point?

church and state were one and the same,the bible was written by polititions.

Originally posted by Vilepagan
What's your point?


When Christ died for our sins, it changed a lot about the relationship between man and God...and some of those rules like eating shrimp for an example that makes you think why would that be a sin....stuff like that were done away with for the new generation of followers after Christ's death.


I do not mean, that it is 100% sure now that it's not a sin, although I would not do it for the sheer fact that its in the Bible.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
When Christ died for our sins, it changed a lot about the relationship between man and God...and some of those rules like eating shrimp for an example that makes you think why would that be a sin....stuff like that were done away with for the new generation of followers after Christ's death.


I do not mean, that it is 100% sure now that it's not a sin, although I would not do it for the sheer fact that its in the Bible.

I will point out that the prohibition against eating shrimp is in the same section of "rules" that mentions homosexuality as an abomination. Does that mean you're not 100% sure that being gay is a sin?

I believe the only sins of life would be not to enjoy life to its fullest. The only rule would be not to do anything to harm another. Therefore, by my thinking, anything two consenting adults choose to do is there business only.

We are born into a paradise, lets not clutter the time we have by moments of worry as to how some one else chooses to spend their time. The religious right should loosen up a little and just have fun. ;)

Originally posted by Dan Fussell

We are born into a paradise, lets not clutter the time we have by moments of worry as to how some one else chooses to spend their time. The religious right should loosen up a little and just have fun. ;)

I second this!! You get a nice cute :cat: ;)

A passage in the Bible I would like to point out is:

Hosea- chapter 1 verse 2.
...and the Lord said to Hosea "go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredom"...

In this God was telling Hosea to go marry a whore so that any children they had would not be his.

Now, the so called Bible experts say that Hosea was using his own marital experience as a symbolic representation of God and Israel.

I think this is a prime example of how the Bible was written by men for men without any God intervention. Probably it consists throughout with the examples or fantacies of made up stories.
Hosea wrote this story using his own experiences and interjecting that God said. He did not like the way Israel was conducting business and wrote a story of "God said" believing this would add weight to his beliefs.
Of course in his story he did not include in the writings that this was an example of his own maritial problems and sex life.

For those that do not read the whole story- in the end Hosea took the whore back after she had left him.