I saw that movie Dogma. And in it it says that man made a mistake in making a religon based on god and that people should just have ideas. An idea is easy to change but a belief is harder. people Kill for it people DIE for it. Im not saying I dont believe, I do. I just dont want a certin religon I just think people should believe and feel close to God. Who agrees?

And jesus too dont forget him!!!

I disagree. I think people should follow their conscience and connect to their humanity. Religion is evil and vile and the cause of the majority of problems the human race has had in the past and still has.

But theridea behind the movie was good. I enjoyed it a lot. Hopefully it will make more religious people think about how dividing religion is and how the "I'm right and you're wrong" attitude only harms humanity and starts wars.

I think people should follow their conscience and connect to their humanity.
That would have been one of the many points behind Dogma. I personally didn't see Dogma as a religious movie at all, I saw it as a philosophical comedy.

Originally posted by Echo2
Religion is evil and vile and the cause of the majority of problems the human race has had in the past and still has.

This is inncorrect Humans are evil and vile, religion is just there. Humans twist and turn things not the religion. The human race has caused the problems because of the way they interpret things. Humans form the greed and push their thoughts not the religion.

"I'm right and you're wrong" attitude only harms humanity and starts wars.

This is exactly what I'm talking about, the human emotion.

Originally posted by ShelbyIsKewl
I saw that movie Dogma. And in it it says that man made a mistake in making a religon based on god and that people should just have ideas

Ideas are great but would they apply to God. You would still have to have a belief otherwise you go nowhere? You may have an idea of how things should or could be run but the belief needs to be there.

An idea is easy to change but a belief is harder. people Kill for it people DIE for it. Im not saying I dont believe, I do. I just dont want a certin religon I just think people should believe and feel close to God. Who agrees? ]

So lets say someone tells you satan is more real then God, would you change your idea and start believing in satan? If someone believes in a God/Gods then they have to stand behind their belief not an idea.

So lets say someone tells you satan is more real then God, would you change your idea and start believing in satan? If someone believes in a God/Gods then they have to stand behind their belief not an idea.

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Okay No. I will always believe god is good and the devil is very bad. Just because I dont have a certin religon doesnt mean I wont always believe in god

I also believe in heaven, hell, and the power of prayer. I also believe you should follow the 10 commandments. But since jesus didnt write the bible, his friends did, there are alot of things that could have been changed to the way the writers saw it. And since god doesnt want us to know everything about him, he could have seen the bible changes coming and decided it was good.

Originally posted by ShelbyIsKewl
I also believe in heaven, hell, and the power of prayer. I also believe you should follow the 10 commandments. But since jesus didnt write the bible, his friends did, there are alot of things that could have been changed to the way the writers saw it. And since god doesnt want us to know everything about him, he could have seen the bible changes coming and decided it was good. The bible tells us that God wants us to seek his face continually. In other words, he doesnt want to hide anything from us, he just wants us to pray for it, find answers from the bible and then from prayer. God is too great, and too perfect for us to get a full grasp on his being, and by faith, we must accept that.

Now heres the thing about the four Gospels. They were written at different times, in different parts of the middle East, by four very different men, without knowledge that the other four were writing it. By coincidence (yeah right) all four Gosples tell the exact same story of Christs birth, boyhood, adulthood, all leading up to his death on the cross for our sins.


Very quick, about your inquiry on organized religion. I defantly see no problems in organized religion. The bible teaches that we are to worship with those that believe the same as us. Now does that make one religion better than the other if they both believe in salvation through the blood of Jesus Christ? No.

It all boils down to believing in that. If you believe Jesus died for your sins...the rest is just a name over the door. It shouldn't be made into something to devide Christian from Christian. And because of that, I have to agree with the guy who said its just human emotion (stubborness really) that causes such problems.

Thats kinda what I was saying that it shouldnt matter what religon you have faith in as long as you have faith.

Originally posted by ShelbyIsKewl
So lets say someone tells you satan is more real then God, would you change your idea and start believing in satan? If someone believes in a God/Gods then they have to stand behind their belief not an idea.

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Okay No. I will always believe god is good and the devil is very bad. Just because I dont have a certin religon doesnt mean I wont always believe in god

If you believe in the devil then you do have a certain religion. Christians are the ones that teach about satan. I'm not saying there aren't bad guys in other religions but they do not compare to a hell or satan. If you do believe in a God why do you feel the need to have a devil?

Originally posted by ShelbyIsKewl
I also believe in heaven, hell, and the power of prayer. I also believe you should follow the 10 commandments. But since jesus didnt write the bible, his friends did, there are alot of things that could have been changed to the way the writers saw it. And since god doesnt want us to know everything about him, he could have seen the bible changes coming and decided it was good.

So instead of believing in the allmighty you would go by what humans write? There is NO proof that the Bible was/is the written word of God. Infact when the Bible came about religion was the power{instead of money like today} So if you could come up with the better looking religion then quess who gets the power. If they didn't except your thoughts on Jesus then bring in the scariest creature and worse place one can thing of and scare them into your belief. It is good that you have a belief, but is it really a belief or something that was taught to you?

Please don't think I'm being rude but I did notice you like to preach what is wrong or right, so I just thought I'ld pick at your post.

Originally posted by jerejerebinks
The bible tells us that God wants us to seek his face continually. In other words, he doesnt want to hide anything from us, he just wants us to pray for it, find answers from the bible and then from prayer. God is too great, and too perfect for us to get a full grasp on his being, and by faith, we must accept that.

according to the Bible, he wants us to ask and seek for answers but says he won't reveal things, then why bother? This faith that you have is it for God or is it for a BOOK written by HUMANS?

Now heres the thing about the four Gospels. They were written at different times, in different parts of the middle East, by four very different men, without knowledge that the other four were writing it.

From my understanding this is inncorrect, they had different stories that were added together to form the Bible.

By coincidence (yeah right) all four Gosples tell the exact same story of Christs birth, boyhood, adulthood, all leading up to his death on the cross for our sins.

Here is a question for you, if they did such a great job of knowing Christ then how come they really don't know anything about him at all? {1} When was he born {2} where was he born {3} how old was he when he died {4}what was his real name {5}what did he look like. In all reality we know NOTHING about Christ. I'm not saying he didn't exist but why did these men deside to leave out the important facts to prove there point?

Very quick, about your inquiry on organized religion. I defantly see no problems in organized religion.

As long as folks are going for a belief and not to safe their arse from a made up damnation. People also have to be carefull of money making religious fanatics.

The bible teaches that we are to worship with those that believe the same as us.

Then if that's the case NO one would have the right to push there beliefs on others.

Now does that make one religion better than the other if they both believe in salvation through the blood of Jesus Christ? No.

NO religion is better then another{as long as they don't cause harm} After all any religion is only the thoughts of humans so NONE, NOT ONE can claim they are 100% correct.

It all boils down to believing in that. If you believe Jesus died for your sins...the rest is just a name over the door. It shouldn't be made into something to devide Christian from Christian.

I would like to add to this, when I was catholic it said NO man should be divided. Infact if I remember correctly, Christ word was to love ALL not just your own group? The way I'm reading what you are saying is that your able to place judgement on others because you can preach from a Bible that may or may not be true.

And because of that, I have to agree with the guy who said its just human emotion (stubborness really) that causes such problems.

So you believe Jesus died for your sins{no problem} Is this the most important message he gave, or would it be live together and love one another? When you preach and tell others they are wrong isn't it your stubborness that is getting in the way?