Do you think it is time to send troops in Sudan ? The life of 100 000's people is at stake.



Sudan's army calls UN resolution 'declaration of war'


KHARTOUM (AFP) - Sudan's army has vowed to fight any foreign military intervention in Darfur, even after the government reluctantly accepted a UN demand to end the killing and atrocities in the troubled region within 30 days.

"The Security Council resolution about the Darfur issue is a declaration of war on the Sudan and its people," armed forces spokesman General Mohamed Beshir Suleiman told Monday's official Al Anbaa daily.

The general's warning came following the Security Council's decision to pass a watered-down resolution Friday threatening "international measures" against Sudan if it did not rein in its troops and allies in the Janjaweed militia blamed for much of the slaughter in the western area of Africa's largest country.

The resolution, which avoided the term "sanctions", made no mention of possible use of force, lthough foreign officials have spoken of sending troops to Darfur to try to force an end to the crisis.

The United Nations estimates that up to 50,000 people have been killed in Darfur and more than a million have fled their homes, 200,000 of them seeking refuge in neighbouring Chad.

At the weekend, French forces in Chad began flying relief supplies to the border town of Abeche and prepared to send 200 troops to secure Chad's eastern frontier with Darfur, according to army colonel Philippe Charles.

On Saturday, the Sudanese government -- which has repeatedly promised to act on the crisis -- reluctantly accepted the UN resolution, reversing an earlier stand, a minister said.

Southern Sudan is the scene of Africa's longest-running civil war and negotiations are continuing to try to bring peace to that region.


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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1514&ncid=721&e=9&u=/afp/20040802/wl_mideast_afp/sudan_un_darfur

if that were the case , we'd be there. this is living proof to me that we are not in iraq because of the "poor iraqi people". if there is nothing to gain monetarily, we wont get involved. we will do little things like send batteries and bandages and oatmeal, and act as if we're doing gods work, but all in all, we dont care about the little guy unless there's money in it.......there's no money in the sudan.......so there wont be a war.........dont believe me....ask bush !

The continuing horrors of massacres on the African continent have been ignored by a majority of world leaders, not only the sitting POTUS. Previous administrations have done no more.

During the middle '70's, there was consideration given to sending U.S. troops to confront Cuban troops in Angola. That idea didn't last long.

my only point was that this just shows that the "saving iraqi people" has to be a little suspicious. it seems to apply no where else. and there are people that were and are in a lot more trouble than the iraqi people.......i just dont believe that any of our leaders , whether dem or rep, can really be concerned about all of the ills in other countries, so why lie ! and i also dont agree that we should try and fix them unless ABSOLUTELY necessary. we are a world of religious beliefs, andf sometimes, what you believe in can cause your demise........just my opinion

Originally posted by es347fan
The continuing horrors of massacres on the African continent have been ignored by a majority of world leaders, not only the sitting POTUS. Previous administrations have done no more.

During the middle '70's, there was consideration given to sending U.S. troops to confront Cuban troops in Angola. That idea didn't last long.

You're quite right. The way the "international community" reacted ten tears ago in Rwanda is a shame, and I wish we will not let this happen again.

korg, you didnt even want to help the iraqi people shed themselves of saddam in the first so you need to back off. Maybe all these countrys that truly care for the iraqis, like the french and russians can go to sudan. oh wait, they sudanese said they would fight, so forget the french. anyway, you cant complain about us being overstretched one day and that we are not doing enough for other countrys the next. I see waht point you are trying to make but it just cant be made considering I remember your past statements.

Originally posted by Travh20
korg, you didnt even want to help the iraqi people shed themselves of saddam in the first so you need to back off. Maybe all these countrys that truly care for the iraqis, like the french and russians can go to sudan. oh wait, they sudanese said they would fight, so forget the french. anyway, you cant complain about us being overstretched one day and that we are not doing enough for other countrys the next. I see waht point you are trying to make but it just cant be made considering I remember your past statements. listen, my argument about helping iraqi people had nothing to do with whether i thought we should or not. i was explaining that,that being the reason we were over there, was a lie. it had nothing to do with what i thought. i still think that this country is being hypocritical saying that we are there to help them, which now will explain the point i was making in this thread......why do you always read things so that they will be offensive enough for you to retaliate ? i was saying that the real reason we are in iraq is proven by the fact that we are not in the sudan....the sudan has had hundreds of thousands killed, but we didnt go to war for them. but we went to iraq to save the iraqi people ? give me a break. not going to the sudan proves to me that we didnt go to iraq to "save the iraqi people "..........thats what i was saying travh. you know, i believe that i say enough to give you reason for arguments, you dont have to make shit up.....i remember my points, they are mine, not some political agenda........the sudan dont have resources , they have been cleaned of anything of value, so there's no value in going there, and i dont care if we do or not, but im not a hypocrite !

travh, i just re read my post, and you need a reading comprehension class.......

I would be in favor of military action in Sudan to avoid a genocide. With a proper UN backing and a precise task - secure the area and disarm the groups responsible for spreading terror. While I opposed the war against Iraq and still do because I think it was based on wrong reasons, doesn't mean I would oppose any military action, anywhere.

korg, what did we gain from "invading" Somalia and Haiti?

Actually the US govt wont go to Sudan because that will send too many troops away from Iraq and that is something that cant be afforded. That and the fact that Sudan has nothing but death to offer U.S. soldiers

I ask again, what did somalia have to offer US Soldiers?

A rather odd question indeed.
In the case of Sudan, the question should not be the possible benefit of a military action but its usefulness, moral implications, and goals.
When you see someone drowning in a river, do you wonder "what does that man have to offer to me" before you jump to his rescue ?

Originally posted by astrapol2
I would be in favor of military action in Sudan to avoid a genocide. With a proper UN backing and a precise task - secure the area and disarm the groups responsible for spreading terror. While I opposed the war against Iraq and still do because I think it was based on wrong reasons, doesn't mean I would oppose any military action, anywhere. I agree with this post. I also think France should boldly lead the way. America should support this action politically, but not financially or with troops, while the rest of the world show us how much they care for other nations in turmoil.

Originally posted by HaVoK
I agree with this post. I also think France should boldly lead the way.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Originally posted by Travh20
korg, what did we gain from "invading" Somalia and Haiti? going over there is different than declaring war...we are in a lot of places, but we declared war on iraq. thats the difference.....our whole damn army is in iraq. we sent like 3 guys to somalia.....lol, and 4 to haiti. look, im not looking for this country to go to black countries and rescue them. i personally dont think we should be anywhere fighting for anyone else. and if we are someplace fighting someone elses war, i want a damn good reason to expend american lives........not the bullshit reason we are in this war........cmon travh. for once, be your own man, i know we disagree on most things, but the reason bush used to get this war going was bullshit and not worth ONE LIFE !.....i dont want to hear that saving the iraqi people bullshit, and we could have gotten saddam without declaring war !!

Originally posted by HaVoK
I agree with this post. I also think France should boldly lead the way. America should support this action politically, but not financially or with troops, while the rest of the world show us how much they care for other nations in turmoil. hey havok......a miracle just happened......you and i agree......lmao. i didnt type this to start an argument. you and i dont normally have kind words, i figure maybe we can start.....here and there.

Originally posted by korg
hey havok......a miracle just happened......you and i agree......lmao. i didnt type this to start an argument. you and i dont normally have kind words, i figure maybe we can start.....here and there. LOL...sounds good to me.